Adopting a Problem Dog Diary

The Parson Russell name is now recognized by the American Kennel Club
The Parson Russell name is now recognized by the American Kennel Club
In 2003 the Jack Russell Terrier Association of America, was changed to the Parson Russell
In 2003 the Jack Russell Terrier Association of America, was changed to the Parson Russell
The hunting instincts of Jack Russell Terriers are legendary
The hunting instincts of Jack Russell Terriers are legendary
Jack Russell are energetic, athletic, determined, and most intense of all the breeds
Jack Russell are energetic, athletic, determined, and most intense of all the breeds
Jack Russells were never intended to be simply household pets. Their strong hunting and chasing instincts are inappropriate in a household setting
Jack Russells were never intended to be simply household pets. Their strong hunting and chasing instincts are inappropriate in a household setting
I admit that I do not know how to break this dog of biting the hand that feeds it.
I admit that I do not know how to break this dog of biting the hand that feeds it.
What if a two year had dropped a lollipop and tried to pick it back up? I can't even put liability insurance on a known human biter.
What if a two year had dropped a lollipop and tried to pick it back up? I can't even put liability insurance on a known human biter.

I adopted a problem dog unknowingly by a person who didn't warn me.

12/29/2011

Picked up a female Jack Russell Terrier at the parking lot of the commissary on Fort Huachuca in Arizona. The first hint that this was a 'problem' dog is the husband asked if there were any other pets in the house and I said no. I expected a few days of adjustment and accidents until the dog settled down but I was then to learn that there were more than one reason somebody would give a pure bred Parson Jack Russell away.

The second hint that this was a known problem dog was when I called the vet's number to transfer ownership, the vet said the previous owner had to do that. The next day the wife refused to transfer ownership to me because there were two previous owners that gave the dog back.

This 10 pound 10 foot minded, 1 and a half year old dog was not house trained. I could be walking the dog for an hour and a half outside and she would not do her business until upon entering my small apartment and the first moment when my attention had drifted away - she would defecate on the rug and then a few minutes later urinate on the kitchen floor. A few weeks prior to getting Molly, I read a book called "Training the Hard to Train Dog" by Peggy Swager because I heard that terriers were hard to train. The author's philosophy is that no corporal punishment should be used and did not cover house training.

I asked a friend - not an expert - about the dog's backwards sequence of events in house training and he said to give it a swat and smoosh the dog's nose into the offensive 'present'. I'm not going to smoosh the nose. I went to the library and loaned out several books on training. I first read 'The Evans Guide for House training Your Dog' by Job Michael Evans. By following his advice I began to get improved results in two days.

Just like as the Dog Whisperer says, you first must establish that the owner is the Alpha. This is done with 3-4 seconds of eye contact, touch the dog's nose with your finger and then to your eyes while standing up so that the dog looks up to you. The best advice that worked like a charm was the use of a crate or confinement of the dog because nobody is able to hover over the dog's every second waiting for the next defecation to occur. I have already had the dog put in the small bathroom and the car without a mess the. So I know she can hold it. I thought the dog was just being willful and was trying to dominate me by using my apartment as a toilet.

In Evans' book the advice of; if the dog is caught in the act or after the fact and it's still wet - then take the dog out to the place you want it to go. Do not stay for more than 3-4 minutes and then come back in and crate the dog for at least a half an hour.. I used a plastic bin covered with a wooden top. When you do release the dog do not praise, treat or play with the dog. Once outside the confined area such as a small bathroom or crate, tether the dog to your waistband (if walking around) or the chair that you are sitting on. Under no circumstance allow the dog to roam free inside the house until completely house trained.

01.08.2012


The next important thing is the food you feed, amount and times. I already knew whenever I fed the dog - that she would defecate almost immediately. First thing in the morning, I would put on my outside clothes and shoes on, feed her and walk her outside. Changed from cheap dog food that had lots of fiber to a higher priced dog food that recommended smaller portions per day.

12/29/2011 - 01.04.2012


Most dogs are given away because of the house training but this dog had fought with other dogs before that can be seen from the pink scar marks on her nose. Molly was given away for fighting with other dogs and that's why the owner's husband at Fort Huachuaca asked if I had other dogs. When I called the vet to transfer ownership and update the information on the chip, the hospital told me that the wife refused to transfer ownership because the dog had two previous owners who gave it back. The vet said Molly is up on all her shots until February 2012. I could not get any info about the chip's number or if spayed.

I am pretty sure it's not spayed and hope it is not already pregnant. Perhaps the previous owners wanted to breed her or maybe had hoped that her personality would be her birth control method. Molly would nut up when ever she saw another dog - unless it was behind a fence. I walked past fenced dogs and she was curious but not friendly. There was no way I was able to let her inside the small dog park.

For four days I was in the park and sat closer and closer to the dog park and promenade walkers. On the fourth day I was 5 feet away from the leashed dog walkers - but still had a tight hold on her. Her docked tail would go straight up - which was OK, but would then click her mouth, growl and bark and finally lunge after other dogs.

01.05.2012

Went to my neighbor's house who owns a rough coat terrier named Baby Girl. I already knew Baby Girl and when I petted Baby Girl - my dog Molly did not act up. This was the first time Molly didn't go into attack mode with another dog.

The next two days I was able to enter the small dog park and Molly did not attack. In fact another dog started to fight and she not attack back - but didn't go into submissive mode neither. The other dog's owners didn't seem surprised and already had the dog on the leash and pulled and picked her up right away. They put the dog down a little farther away and walked the dog back. In the "Training the Hard to Train Dog", the author Swager said that this is wrong to do to pick up the dog when fighting and train the dog while still with four paws on the ground.

Unfortunately the next day, while outside, Molly attacked Baby Girl until Baby Girl was displaying a total submission posture. Tammy, Baby's Girl's owner said to let my dog go and "let the two sort it out". I do not abide by that advice - I think it's cruel to allow one dog to bully another until the submissive one is so scared that it becomes shy and cower at the sight of the bullying dog. Yes - don't pick them up when they are attacking and train them at ground level - but don't be a spectator to a situation that can out of control.

Pet Peeves

Neighbors that undo training with bad habits. Tammy refers to her dog as her daughter as if she is human. I don't think treating a canine as if its human is a good idea. My other neighbor went ahead and fed my dog a treat even after I said "Don't feed the dog". Mickey insisted and then broke the treat in half saying that it's only a piece. I asked her to make Molly "work for it". She undid three days of training by teasing the dog to jump up with her hand of food just above the head. I've been training Molly not to 'go for it' and crowd me when I put the food down. I was trying to make her sit and stay until I released her. Next time I guess I'll have to growl and bark at Mickey in order for her to listen to me - and she's human!

My next problem is getting this dog to come to me while outside and off the lease. I tried once and I did it wrong. She wouldn't come when called unless I crinkled the plastic bag of dog treats.So when I tried by crinkling without the dog treat - she never came to me again. The next book I'm going to read is "Controlling Your Dog Away From You", by John J. Romba. And the next two books after that will be "Train Your Dog Like a Pro and "Jack Russel Terriers Today."

01.09.2012

Today, the dog bit me. Hard. On the thumb, deep puncture wound and black and blue mark on the nail. I thoughtlessly took a big bone away from her without testing first how Molly would react. Because it wasn't dog food that she gulped down in 3 seconds - I took the bone by my hand while she was chewing.

It hurt bad. Later still upset, I called the former owner. He lied to me. He hesitated before answering my question, "Has the dog ever bit a human before?" He said, "Errr ... not that I recall."
He is full of crap.

01.10.2012

I made a hand stick with a latex glove full of dry navy white beans and duct taped it on the end of a plunger stick. Molly is able to sit still for a second while I put the dry food down and then plunged into her 3/4 cup morning helping. Halfway through her gulping I used the hand stick to move the tray of food from her. She bit off the ring finger of the glove and the beans spilled everywhere. I am going to the dog pound today to ask for advice on training and if they have a hand stick that is bite proof. I am not going to train her on my own without expert advice.

I do believe that the husband who gave this dog to me without warning was irresponsible in not telling me about the dog's previous biting history. I think he said "I do not recall." - as his way to weasel out of liability. I cannot give this dog away, the pound cannot give this dog away and from I have read so far if this problem was not nipped in the bud while still a puppy then the only future for this dog is death row.

I wrote to the Dog Whisperer Cesar Millan's Facebook page yesterday but no response so far. This is what I wrote in a message to him.

Had 1.5 year old F Jack Russell since 12.29.2011 -progressed in training not to be aggressive with other dogs and now able to go inside dog park.
Problem:
I fed the dog, it did its business outside. But when I gave it a big meaty bone to chew on afterwards and removed it while it was chewing - it bit my thumb and drew blood and the fingernail is black and blue.

This dog has had two previous owners who took it back to the owner I got it from. I called the previous owner. I asked him if this dog ever bit a human before. He hesitated in answering and said, " Errrrr .... not that I recall " He is full of crap

Should I put it down? Or tell me how to train properly. I can not find good info elsewhere only excuses that it's CPA or "defended" herself for her food.

Postscript

I've been noticing a lot of negative feedback.. What is more important? A dog or a human that can't feel safe around a dog? My neighbor brought her dog downstairs and the dog started growling while her dog was more than 5 feet away. I can't have this dog. In the video below, Molly was chewing on this bone for at least 2-3 hours and has taken most of the meat off already. Tell me - do you what this dog around your children? Please don't blame me for being a poor owner or bad trainer. Remember all dog shelters test for food aggression before allowing to be adopted for liability concerns.

According to "Adoptable Dog, Teaching Your Adopted Pet to Obey, Trust and Love You' by John Ross and Barbara McKinney on page 105, "There are times when I recommend that owners give up their aggressive dog that has serious biting problems .... when the owners' safety or the welfare of their children are in question, there may be no other rational choice." In Chapter 16 titled "When the Best Efforts Fail' on page 159, the authors wrote; " ... don't wait months or a year to decide that you have adopted the wrong dog for you. Problems will only get worse over time, not better ... Have the courage to admit that you cannot meet your dog's needs and act quickly to give him a chance to find someone who can."

It's been three months since Molly. I believe that the dog has been returned to the crazy woman who acted like a sociopath towards me. Why do I say that? Because I called the husband and left a message on his phone. She must monitor his phone because she called me and was yelling and screaming at me right off the bat.

I had to shout back over the phone; "Shut Up! SHUT UP! If you want your dog back then you call the dog pound now, right now." and then I hung up on her. While still driving from the dog pound, I received two disturbing text messages that said in part that I was a psycho and "What is wrong with you people?"

I left another message for the husband and said "I do not want her to contact me again." By the time I returned home she called me again still hysterical and I had her on speaker phone so that my friend could her her veiled threats about "I know where you live." and how she didn't call me a bitch - just psycho.

She demanded $50 for what it would cost her to get the dog back from the pound since it had no license. I told her to no longer contact me and she followed through with her threat to defame me on craiglist, warning people that I was a dogknapper and that all I do is take dogs for the sole reason to kill them.

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My Minds Eye53 4 years ago from Tennessee

Why would you even try to take food or a bone away from a dog after you have given it freely to that dog. I would bite you too. That dog bit you because it didn't trust you. This dog may have been abused.


Charlinex 4 years ago

You must be very very patient with this dog. It takes a long time for an adopted dog to trust the new owner. I adopted a poodle from a local pound many years ago, and it bite me upon arrival. Why? Because I was trying to force it out from his hiding place under the table.

My first reaction was to give the poodle back to the pound. Then I calmed down and realized that I should not bite a dog if he bite me. One day I retrieved the dog from a friend who was babysitting for me. The dog kept looking back at her although I was the owner. Why? Because she was much more gentle and patient than me. It was very enlightening. After that, I was reading books about dog behavior and getting more patient.

It took almost two years for the poodle to settle down. Regardless if the dog was abused, it is frightening for it to come to a new environment so patience and kindness is very important.

The old school believed that the owner must be the "top dog" and be dominant. I recently read that the writer who initiated the concept actually changed his mind. Treat the dog fairly and gently. She will one day be your best friend.


Charlinex 4 years ago

I just want to add some practical tips for you.

1. Be consistent and try to establish a routine for feeding, walking and playing for the dog. When you have a routine, the dog will learn to adept the new home and trust you. Because she will learn that you are consistent and reliable.

2. Be very light on discipline for the initial three months. When the dog does not behave properly, the best way is to say "NO!" and then ignore the dog for a couple of hours. Dogs are social animals and it punishes them just as hard when they don't get the owner's attention. But don't do it too often. Dogs have very short memory span so it is not necessary to ignore the dog for more than 2 hours. Then be happy and play with the dog.

3. Keep in mind that Jackie is not a puppy. When we are older, we are all set in our own ways. Patience is important, also you must respect the dog's space and wishes in a certain way. For instance, if you give the dog a milk bone, let her enjoy it. You have to earn the trust and love from your dog, it takes longer for an older dog to develop that for a new owner.

Good luck!


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ptosis 4 years ago from Arizona Author

I have admitted defeat and put an ad on craigslist as follows:

Unadoptable Jack Russell F for professional dog trainers only (Sierra Vista) Date: 2012-01-10,

Do not mail to me unless you are a recognized dog trainer. No others will be considered AT ALL. Please give name and business location so I can check references to make sure you are a recognized dog trainer.

for more info then google the back story by cutting and pasting the following:

/hub/Adopting-a-Proble-Dog-Diary

I am not going to give this dog back to the original owners becauase they will just give it away to someone else without warning - just as they did me. I am not going to SV dog pound because the dog is unadoptable by shelter's standards and would be terminated.

The bitch is unspayed.

Meanwhile I am going to call dog trainers because this dog needs professional help. At this point the dog is on death row.


Charlinex 4 years ago

I understand your frustration. But the dog's behavior is very normal for an animal who was abandoned at least a couple of times by its owner.

Don't give it up yet. You must be smarter and more emotional stable than Jackie. Your positive emotion will be sensed by the dog to cheer her up while your negativity will affect the dog likewise.

Give her plenty of praises with a happy voice. Reward her either with food or a pat whenever she is wagging the tail and happy. It's not hard, just remind yourself that you won't let a poor puppy upset you. You'll be fine.


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ptosis 4 years ago from Arizona Author

Thanks You everybody - I needed advice - and you all have helped me. I'm just not the right owner for this -it wouldn't be fair to the dog to try to make her an apartment dog.

I talked to this one lady the other day and she had a Jack Russell that live for 17.5 years. When she went horse back riding, her dog would walk in between the horses back legs.

I've read a book about the history of these fantastic hunting dogs who ran 12 miles during a hunt keeping up with the horses on a fox hunt.

This dog needs more room to roam that what I have available at this small apartment complex. It needs to hunt, run, go to ground and have an owner with acres of land.

I'm going to be extremely depressed when this dog goes to it's new owner. But it'll be in a better place where it can run free... :(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:((:(:(


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My Minds Eye53 4 years ago from Tennessee

I live on 3.3 acres, where are you?


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brewskitimeguy 4 years ago from Maine

Loved your article...every dog is as different as every human..i adopted a rescue beagle...aftermy dog passed away. A year later, we are still working out some wuirks, but wouldn't trade him for anything.


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ptosis 4 years ago from Arizona Author

I live in Sierra Vista, the SE corner of Arizona near the Mexican border. I'll let you all know as it happens. I think that by the end of this week that I'll get somebody who knows a lot more than me. First stop: A place called 'Going to Grandma's where I was to start training the dog for six weekends. I'm going to bring the dogover toady - show her the video on my camera and let her know I am over my head in keeping this dog.

BTW: This morning when I gave her 1/2 C of kibble - she damn near choked to death from eating it so fast. I'm going to from now own give her a little bit over several times a day so she don't hurt herself. - But she didn't bit the hand stick nor growled. So I know somebody can rehab her.


randombird 4 years ago

First off: who taught you how to write? You have horrible grammar and spelling and I cannot believe that you are allowed to publish on this site. Second: you're the idiot who adopted a dog without making sure to obtain background information and vet records. Third: a dog that is being given away is going to be scared, uncomfortable, lonely, and sad. Yes, animals have personalities and feelings also, and know when they are not wanted. Does it really surprise you that an animal you just met is not perfectly behaved within the first 24 hours? And what reason would make you take your dog's food away while she was in the middle of eating? You're asking to be bitten at that point. Seriously, not only should you be banned from this website for your complete lack of skill and how obvious it is that you don't understand the English language, but you should not be allowed to own an animal. Ever. So I'm actually glad you're giving the dog away. You don't deserve to have an animal. Get a plant.


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Laura Matkin 4 years ago from Laceys Spring, Alabama

Read my article on house training and training tips I put some original ideas I have had my clients use quite effectively. Jack Russel's can be quite difficult. I have trained around 10 some were great but I had one in my training class that literally gave me nightmares. Very aggressive with an owner who let him get away with anything and justified his behavior by saying she had a jack Russel personality and that's why he was so bad. No I would not have an aggressive dog around my children. If you can not rehab her fully don't feel guilty about finding someone will love her and who can take care of her safely.

All dogs need room to run. Is this your first dog owner experience?


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Laura Matkin 4 years ago from Laceys Spring, Alabama

Another Jack Russel just came to mind. Lilly was a mess she was adopted, had house training issues and was aggressive to other dogs and people. Her new Mother loved her and with training and lots of patience we turned her into a better dog although far from perfectly mannered lol. She became house trained, learned all the basic commands You Need to teach your Russel the leave it command. Definitely get your trainer in on that! You want to be able to say leave it and your dog look away from whatever it is she is looking at be it person, dog or food and come back to you. This is entirely possible talk to your trainer about teaching that specific command as you goal in training your dog that will be more useful to you than sit down etc.

Anyway Lilly's owner had a baby about 1 year after getting Lilly and while pregnant she was concerned that Lilly might be aggressive or jealous but Lilly is being excellent with the baby protective of her even.

I feel for you it's no fun when your scared of your dog or what your dog might do but things can get better. Leave It


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ptosis 4 years ago from Arizona Author

January 11, 2012: Last entry: I called up Going to Grandma's to cancel the training. I talked about the situation of living in a small apartment complex and unable & unwilling to warn all my neighbors risking a biting incident. Even if I had renter's insurance to cover an aggressive dog - that insurance is only good for when I'm at home - and not out in public.

I asked the owner of Going to Grandma's to take the dog or I would have to take it to the pound for termination. She said, "I don't want to sound cold hearted but it's probably the best thing to do at this point." I'm glad I talk to GTG's who counseled me not to feel guilty and a bad person. Before going to the SVDP I left a message to the husband of the former owners - Drew - the man who lied to me about previous dog biting. I said in the message, "Thanks for giving the dog without warning - leaving me to do the dirty deed for you."

I went to SV dog pound and filed a bite report with the animal control officer. I had my sun glasses on because my eyes were all puffy and red from crying but I didn't cry there. After leaving SVDP and on the road, I received a call from the Hysterical wife who berated with with such an outcry that I hung up. She called again and I yelled at her to "Shut up, Shut! Up! -If you want your dog you better call the dog pound now, right now!"

Then I get two texts stating "What is wrong with you people?Who's the psych now?" and "Why are you not answering my phone calls or texts?" I called Drew and said "Your wife is very upset, I do not want her to call me again. From now on it's just between you and me." Later on while at home with a friend of my who is ex-army from Fort Huachuca, I showed him the next text from the wife stating, "If you call my husband again, I will call the police." Five minutes after that the wife calls me again. I put her on speaker phone.

She said that I owed her $50 because that's how much it would cost to get the dog out after a few days of quarantine when a trained person will access the aggressiveness of the dog before release. She ed about how awful Arizonians are and did not believe that the dog had bitten. She kept asking me why, why. I answered, I've already told you, you don't believe me. She went on very emotionally that she will call the police, she know where I live and that she will sue me for the $50. I told her that she must do what she must do, but please - keep it legal." She answered that she will go on craigslist and warn everybody about me - that I kidnap dogs to kill them. I asked her why would I do that.? She started repeating herself and I had to cut her off and said to her "Please do not contact me again.". She continued on ranting, and my friend stated that if she continues to calls and text then that is harassment." I finally stated that this conversation is over and ended the call.

I think that there was a tinge of political correct prejudice involved here about Arizonians. Yeah I have olive skin - but I have a New York accent and have live in Honolulu for a decade. I am no native of the Southwest. Her "you people" and the troll statements by randombird appears to me that I was assumed to be 'on', (other nationality) - and that anything I say or do is not to be respected and should be dismissed.

I then called SVDP and stated that the former owner should be counseled when/if the dog is to be picked up because the women called me a dogknapper and did not believe that I was bitten.


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ptosis 4 years ago from Arizona Author

I allowed randombird troll comments to be published from a hubber that has no hubs only to show the great lengths some folks will go in order to express opinions and judgments in a dogmatic way.


randombird 4 years ago

Let me explain why I am a "hubber" with no hubs. I was browsing the site because I was considering joining hubpages. While browsing, I came across your 'article' and was so disgusted with everything about it that I joined specifically to comment on this hub. It is not racist. I had no idea what 'color' you are, and frankly I don't care. I myself am Hispanic. I was so disturbed by someone with so little understanding of how to communicate the English language in writing, and also by a person who would adopt a dog without prior experience, knowledge, or even bothering to look into the dogs history. In my opinion, you deserved everything that happened to you and you should pay the original owner $50 if she is willing to save the dog. How dare you sentence an innocent animal to death because you don't have the intelligence or patience to bother trying to train her. Like I said before, get a plant. You two will be much better suited to each other. And if hubpages allows garbage like what you wrote to remain posted on their site, then thank you for making it painfully obvious that I do not want to be associated with this site.


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ptosis 4 years ago from Arizona Author

RandomBird: Are you saying that I am 100% at fault and that the couple who gave me this dog is completely innocent?

Although you did give one good bit of advice about asking questions - your spelling and grammer flame was in large part a troll post.

http://www.animalshelter.org/pet-tips/377/Question...


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ptosis 4 years ago from Arizona Author

BTW Randombird: I suspect that you are not so random at all and are the woman who accused me on craigslist today that I kidnapped your dog for the sole purpose of killing it. I wrote back on craigslist but both of our posts have been flagged and deleted already. Here was my answer to NotSoRandomRant:

The previous owner gave me a known human biter without warning, doesn't believe that I was bitten, and accused me of kidnapping dogs merely to kill them. Lady - I took the dog to the dog pound - not make a burrito out of it ........

SV Dog Pound reads the pets section everyday, and your post will only diminish your chances of getting your dog back. Excusing the dog because it small and allowing it to bite people shows that you are too irresponsible to be allowed to have this dog back.


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ptosis 4 years ago from Arizona Author

From:

http://dogbitelaw.com/tips-tricks-for-victims-atto...

Provocation actually occurs in only 6% of dog bite incidents. Remember, provocation is a legal doctrine that is similar to self-defense. In other words, a person's actions might indeed have provoked the dog, in the sense of motivating the latter, but the legal doctrine permits the dog's attack to be excused, and that means that the victim's action must be something akin to the conduct that would justify violence undertaken in self-defense.

From:

http://blog.dogsbite.org/

"Regardless of the circumstances surrounding a reported attack, apologists show no empathy for the victim, but often for the "poor dog", who they insist, was "abused or mistreated" or perhaps "not trained and socialized" [and] show an alarming lack of normal and appropriate response to human tragedy, and seem totally disconnected from accepted social mores. .. Victims are often blamed for the attack, as apologists will insist that these dogs would never attack unless "provoked".


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My Minds Eye53 4 years ago from Tennessee

But you do have spelling and grammar errors. If you never had a pet before, you should have gone and gotten a book about that pet or go on-line. When we were given some chickens last summer, the first thing we did was go on line and check out all the facts on care and what to expect. If you can't train a dog, it isn't his fault. Maybe you just weren't compatible.


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ptosis 4 years ago from Arizona Author

My Minds Eye53; I can fix the spelling and grammars in the article but have 10 minutes to fix in comments - unless I delete completely and start over again. Sorry about that. I try my best, I just know that I'm not as horrible and disgusting as NotRandom characterized.

The hub does mention that I took books out before adopting AND progressed in training. The fact is the dog is dangerous and I can't have a dog like that where I live.

Reread where I already wrote about this. I grew up with 11 German short haired pointers. I love dogs. You don't think I'm depressed and didn't cry and wail about this? I am not as much of a heartless dumb bitch as that hysterical woman was over the phone.


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My Minds Eye53 4 years ago from Tennessee

I understand about the errors and I know some people are over reacting too. I can tell you care about this dog. I still don't understand why you would give any dog, let alone a dog you are not familiar with, food then take it away.


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ptosis 4 years ago from Arizona Author

Arizona law imposes criminal liability on a dog owner whose dog injures another person. A person commits a class 6 felony in Arizona if: the person owns a dog that the owner knows or has reason to know has a propensity to attack, to cause injury or otherwise endanger the safety of human beings without provocation or which has been found to be a vicious animal by a court of competent authority.

Arizona is not a one free bite state. (ARS 11-1020 and 11-1025.) & in "Murdock v. Balle, supra. The cause of action created by this section is distinct from the common law which imposes liability on dog owners only if the owner knew or had reason to know of their animal's vicious propensities.

http://dogbitelaw.com/statutory-strict-liability-s...


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Laura Matkin 4 years ago from Laceys Spring, Alabama

It's really hard making that decision. My parents put a Great Pyrenees down for the same reason just a couple of years ago. They had had him since he was 4 weeks old. He would attack over something as simple as a stick, toy, bone, empty food bowl. If he wasn't protecting some thing he was the sweetest dog in the world. Anyway I feel for you that was a difficult thing to do.


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ptosis 4 years ago from Arizona Author

Thanks Laura Matkin. On craiglist the former owner's wife was calling me a dogknapper who only wants to kill. The crazy lady went berserk. I put up the dog's photo to make sure nobody else gets injured and somebody emailed me and wrote in part:

" ... I know that dog ... [former owners]kept [the dog]in the garage which was covered in feces or in the yard ... and wore a ratty pink harness that was very tight on her. She bit me when I tried to take it off of her to give her a bit of relief .. We had her for 30 days .. because she wanted to continually attack my dogs-- one of which is only 6 pounds. It was clear during my time with the dog that she was severely neglected."

I forwarded the email to the dog pound to make sure that berserker woman won't be allowed to ever have any dog ever in the future.

From url http://samthedogtrainer.com/articles/euthanasia-cr...

"if I recommend euthanasia for an unstable dog, after meeting the owners and dog, then I’m relying on my gut, and past experience, to say that even with the training, I still think someone is going to be injured by the dog. I’ve seen enough of these types of situations to know that it isn’t as simple as “curing” a dog."


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My Minds Eye53 4 years ago from Tennessee

isn't there a show on cable that's called "Dogs 101" that take dogs like the one you have and rehabilitate them? They have a high success rate and I believe they are located in Arizona.


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ptosis 4 years ago from Arizona Author

http://www.animallaw.info/statutes/stusazst11_1014...

Above link to all the animal laws in AZ

Next link is about animal cruelty laws in AZ

http://www.azleg.state.az.us/ars/13/02910.htm

"Recklessly subjects any animal to cruel mistreatment."


Charlinex 4 years ago

Ptosis, I wish you find a good owner for this dog. She deserves a chance in this life after being abandoned so many times. I agree that you may not experienced enough to judge if the dog can be saved.

In Toronto, when a dog bites the first time, the city animal services or court will impose a muzzle order. Actually some of my neighbors voluntarily muzzle their dogs if they feel their dogs may bite. I was bitten by a neighbor's Doberman a few years ago. The dog is still muzzled by the owners when they take the dog out. So biting can be dealt with, especially Jackie is not a big dog. Many Jack Russell Terriers live in apartments here. I understand if you feel you are not equipped to train this dog. Good luck in finding Jackie a new home.


marywanders 4 years ago

I just want to tell you I think you did all the right stuff in my book. It is sick when people lie to get rid of a problem or can't face it, they should be fined for passing off a troubled dog. If you had returned the dog to them they would have just continued down this same path and who knows how badly someone could have gotten hurt.


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ptosis 4 years ago from Arizona Author

I sure do hope that Molly will go to a different person other than the original owners. I forwarded the 2 emails to SV dog pound what a previous pet refuge wrote about this awful woman. I hope that she is criminally prosecuted for what she did according to ARS:

§ 11-1029. Hearing on disposition of abused and vicious animals; forfeiture; exception

A. A peace officer, county enforcement agent or peace officer who has responsibility for animal control in a municipality who has impounded an animal pursuant to § 11-1014 or 13-2910, on a showing of probable cause that the animal has been cruelly mistreated or cruelly neglected or that the animal is vicious or may be a danger to the safety of any person or other animal, may request a disposition hearing before a justice of the peace or city magistrate to determine whether the animal has suffered cruel mistreatment or cruel neglect as defined in § 13-2910 or is vicious. The hearing shall be set within fifteen business days after the request has been filed.


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MrMaranatha 4 years ago from Somewhere in the third world.

Problems with JACK Russel as a breed... (what you probably already know but think with me a moment) they are smarter than most dogs... They are normally a quick and accurate judge of character...

This one you are dealing with however has been thrown away at least 3 times already that we know of... and has judged human character as less than respectable and not worth the love attachment that most dogs have for their master... So far...

Have you sat down in the evenings and just had some heart to heart talks with this Dog?

She is female... she is ticked at life... She is probably missing some child that she was attached to in the beginning of her ownership chain...

Show her the finger she bit... let her lick it if she will...

talk to her about it... Try to give her Love...

She knows if its real though.. and she is holding out... waiting for you to throw her away too...

Well.. that's my take on it anyway...

I cant say that I would have done any better than you though... probably would have already put her down if she were in my house... I have kids... But then maybe not... maybe my kids would have won her over... they are like that... I like Jack Russel's. My (elderly) mother got adopted by one a few years ago... it has been a wonderful friend for her in her later years... smart as a whip and doesn't miss a thing... always alert.

Wish you the best...


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grand old lady 4 years ago from Philippines

I think you did everything you can for the dog. It's possible the previous owner traumatized the dog and failed to train it. Seems like dogs are more a source of income than living things that need love and care.


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ptosis 4 years ago from Arizona Author

Thanks Grand Old Lady. I have a wonderful chug now - and I'm so glad I have my little Chuggers.


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SmartAndFun 3 years ago from Texas

I think that like people, some dogs are born with "faulty brain wiring." If this happens to a person, they may be medicated, given psychotherapy, institutionalized, etc. and even then these people still may be harmful to themselves and to others. It may have been abuse that caused the dog to act the way it did, but it may also just be that the dog had mental problems that were beyond the help of training.

What happened with this little Jack Russell is sad, but you have to be a responsible owner. If you live around kids and in close proximity to lots of people, having an aggressive dog is not being a responsible pet owner. I think you did the right thing. Not every story has a happy ending.


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ptosis 3 years ago from Arizona Author

Thank you SmartAndFun for your understanding. Thank you so much.

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