Mixed Cat Breeds: No Breeds Or To Many Breeds

Cricket, my Siamese mix female.
Cricket, my Siamese mix female.

No breed or to many breeds

I spend quite a bit of time in Yahoo Answers, answering questions on cats. i feel eleven years of rescuing cats, observing and learning from them, has given me some insights on their care, their behaviour...even how they communicate. However there is one issue in which i have found myself butting heads with a few people in a select category...namely cat breeders. every time a question is asked, like what breed is my cat? dealing with mixed breed cats usually, they come back that it is just a domestic cat...of no breed whatsoever.

Now, I have a little difficulty swallowing that a cat has NO breed whatsoever in it JUST because he has no papers proving it is a pedigreed cat. as you can see from the picture above of my Siamese mix cat...she obviously has siamese in her. she is siamese mixed with some other breed. but these breeders hold that if she is not papered, she has no breed in her at all. is it just me, or does this simply make no sense. i try to tell them that it makes more sense to say such a cat would have to many breeds in them rather than NO breed in them.

take my Cricket...lets say her mother was the siamese and the father was a ordinary tabby cat. then you look at the mothers parents and the fathers parents and so on...blood quantums grow weaker and stronger depending on the cats bred. she may even have picked up the siamese look from her grandparents, maybe it just came through strong in her. but no matter how you look at it, she has at least one identifiable breed in her.

these same breeders swear pedigreed cats that are unaltered could not possibly, ever, end up in the hands of non breeders. they simply refuse to take LIFE into consideration. where i live, theft is very common. if people see something they want, they simply take it. that includes pedigreed cats and dogs. a friend of mine had a pedigreed dog that just had pups...an expensive dog. when she came home from work, her house had been broken into and dog and pups were gone. cats are notorious for getting outside, especially when they are in heat or after a female in heat. cats could care less if they are papered or not...they all behave the same when it comes to that. but these people i butt heads with seem to live in a fantasy world where such things never happen. and to their way of thinking, that is why it is impossible for any cat to have any breed in it.

i truly am interested in other folks perspectives on this issue. for me at least, it isnt about being right or wrong...if they are right, i would like to understand it better. it is never good to go around thinking you are right when you are not. but they can never help me understand their reasons because they feel i am intellectually challenged, they do not wish to deal with inferior people. so i ask my readers...if i am wrong, have mercy on me and help me understand this issue. thank you in advance.

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Lucky Cats 5 years ago from The beautiful Napa Valley, California

I think you're right. It is just a matter of semantics or , possibly, the breeders wish to isolate the word "breed" from others; only to be used for their pursuits...thus, in their minds, not 'muddying the waters.'

However, their insistance that non purebred cats have 'no breeds' is ignorant...of course there are 'breeds' ... otherwise, the cat wouldn't exist.

I'm with you!

Ps your kitty, Cricket, is absolutely beautiful.


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tlmcgaa70 5 years ago from south dakota, usa Author

lol...those are my words to them exactly...if a cat has NO breed in it...it wouldnt exist...

thank you for sharing your feelings on this with me. and thank you about cricket to...she is a sweetie.


St.Cyprian 5 years ago

I agree with you. Every cat has a breed or breeds. Lots of official breeds are just the crossing up of a couple of other recognized breeds. And, frankly some of it seems really made up!

Like there's a breed of cat they call "Puppy Dog" because it follows the owner around everywhere. And, there's one called "Rag Doll" that turns over on its back, goes limp and purrs whenever someone picks them up. Some of this sounds slightly arbitrary to me.

But, I've read some of your articles and I think professionals of all kinds (and you've written about cops, firemen, vets and breeders, so far that I've read) go to great lengths to protect their sources of income. Call me cynical....


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tlmcgaa70 5 years ago from south dakota, usa Author

you are right, they will...and who can blame them...but when they go so far as to be unable to see common sense...they go to far.


BlueGuitarGrrl 4 years ago

This person is ignorant to the fact that cats were domesticated thousands of years ago while breeds have only been around a hundred or so years. And with cat breeders, unlike dog breeders, tending to sell kittens altered most cats aren't "mixes", either. They're simply domestics. This person refuses to believes the facts (why, I have no idea - I guess they just hate to be wrong. So for the rest of you who might prefer not to look like idiots online posting nonsense like this, here's a great article http://life.familyeducation.com/cats/pets/45684.ht...


BlueGuitarGrrl 4 years ago

LOL at this comment ".if they are right, i would like to understand it better." On Answers myself and MANY others have given you the facts and you refuse to believe them. So why lie and say a comment like this? You are CLEARLY not someone who can handle the fact others are more educated about something than you are. Maybe it's being French Canadian? Not sure.


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tlmcgaa70 4 years ago from south dakota, usa Author

blueguitargrrl...where do i start? lets see...a cat is a breed only because man names it such and such breed. cats as breeds existed from the get go. we simply hadnt named those breeds yet. to say a "breed" of cat did not exist before man named that particular "breed" is as silly as saying mixed breed cats have no breed in them. and as i said in my article, there are other ways of gaining a purebred cat than buying from a breeder...like stealing or buying on the black market. and just because you believe your so called facts are gospel truth facts...doesnt make them so. you sound very much like cafe mocha valencia from Y/A. she is also rude and condescending. you call me a liar without even knowing me. i am willing to learn about this topic, but i want real facts not clouded facts. and where do you get that i am french canadian? i am american thank you, but you show your snobbishness by making such a remark, as if somehow you are better than such people.


CTU 4 years ago

LOL @ tlmcgaa70, 'BlueGuitarGrrl' is 'Cafe Mocha Valentia' on answers. I do not know you but this user seems to think that you are me:) That's why she refers to you as being French Canadian.....

I totally agree with you! If a cat has no breed...it would not exist:)


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tlmcgaa70 4 years ago from south dakota, usa Author

CTU, i have butted heads with CMV on several occasions over this issue. please do not feel bad about her coming here to diss on me over it. i never have a problem with people sharing my articles, in fact i am pleased when they do. it never occurred to me that anyone should have to seek my permission to share it. it isnt like you are stealing it and pretending you wrote it, which some people do. and now at least i know where she got the French Canadian thing, lol. no, CMV is a rude and condescending person who could care less who she hurts, so i could care less what she thinks of me and my stand on cat breeds. have no concerns and thank you for sharing my link.


BlueGuitarGrrl 4 years ago

Wow two idiots with the same way of thinking? That's too funny. Breeders did not just take cats that already existed from thousands of years ago and call them a breed so this comment is absolutely ridiculous "cats as breeds existed from the get go. we simply hadnt named those breeds yet" Other than a couple of natural breeds most breeds have come from SELECTIVE breeding. Go to cat shows and talk to breeders and EDUCATE yourself about the facts because all you are doing is making a complete ass of yourself. I'm not rude and condescending I just get very pissed off when idiots like you go around spreading misinformation. You're helping NO ONE.


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tlmcgaa70 4 years ago from south dakota, usa Author

I'm not rude and condescending

you're not huh? coulda fooled me. if i went to shows and talked to breeders i would just get the same load of garbage you are spouting, and since i think you are the one spreading misinformation, why would i want to listen to more? yes, many cat breeds have been "man-made", but that doesnt change the fact that there were cats before there were "breeds". there are at least 11 naturally occurring "breeds". and none of this changes the fact that a mixed breed cat such as my cat in the picture, are just that...MIXED breeds. you breeders are to narrow minded. if a siamese and a persian mate, then their offspring would be sonsidered a mixed breed, siamese mix or persian mix. if this mix mates with a common tabby off the streets, the kittens can still be considered siamese or persian mixed. all DSH, DMH, and DLH means is a mixed breed cat with short, medium or long hair. and your failure to accept the fact that purebreed cats CAN mate with mixed breed cats also makes you narrow minded. you need to EDUCATE yourself on the thing called LIFE. LIFE happens, get over it. and there really is not need to "get pissed off" just because someone sees things differently than you do. no need to be so arrogant. lets suppose for just one moment that you are right and i am wrong...what does it hurt for people to see their cats as part this or part that? is some law being broken? is someone or something (other than breeders pride) being harmed by such thinking? humans are labelers, they need to label everything. to label their cat part siamese, or persian or whatever is a natural thing. the way i look at it, your fight is based solely on your pride. you need to learn to live and let live and quit trying to make everyone else conform to YOUR view of things.


BlueGuitarGrrl 4 years ago

Oh my god you just get more and more idiotic with your comments! Do you really not get it? Here - I'll go nice and slooooowww:

1) cats were domesticated thousands of years ago

2) breeds have only been around a hundred or so years - many only 10 or 20 - some only a few years

4) since altered cats can be shown, unlike dog breeders cat breeders tend to sell cats ALTERED

5) less than 3% of cats are a breed

I never said a pedigreed cat can't mate with a domestic but it's pretty uncommon. So your "Siamese" mix isn't very likely that it's simply a pointed domestic just like the MILLION other pointed domestics.

It's not a matter of "my view of things" or that "someone sees things differently than you do" it's a matters of facts - and bullshit. I speak the facts, you speak bullshit. And you're not helping anyone posting a web page like this. You're just spreading ignorance. Congrats, asshole!


BlueGuitarGrrl 4 years ago

And what's with this incredibly idiotic comment "If a cat has no breed...it would not exist:)" Um, yes it would since AGAIN, cats were domesticated THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO so there has been thousands of years of NO BREED cats breeding, rebreeding and so on. They exist as DOMESTICS. God you two are some of the most clueless people I have EVER encountered. And stupidity like this REALLY pisses me off.


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tlmcgaa70 4 years ago from south dakota, usa Author

cafe mocha velencia, this conversation is going nowhere. you have a right to your opinion...just like everyone else does. i would thank you to either refrain from commenting or change your attitude because i take offense to your rude and abusive manner. those people who comment on this post have as much right to believe what they will as you do. i would appreciate it if you would respect that right.


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Lucky Cats 4 years ago from The beautiful Napa Valley, California

It appears someone is way off base and needs to create her own hub if she disagrees with this writer's opinions. If you wish to prove your point, write a hub with references and historic facts and present it as your own. Otherwise, you are becoming quite a bore here on tlmcgaa's page.


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Lucky Cats 4 years ago from The beautiful Napa Valley, California

That's BOOR...God, it's too early, I'm going back to bed


CTU60 4 years ago

This is a fabulous article and it saddens me that people find the need to insult and use abusive language. People should learn to respect others opinions. Those who do not agree should make up their own 'Hubpage'...


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tlmcgaa70 4 years ago from south dakota, usa Author

well said CTU. i agree with both you and Kathy.. have a great day and give tons of love to your mixed breed kitties for me.


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Lucky Cats 4 years ago from The beautiful Napa Valley, California

Ditto from me...the premier authority on loving cats....of all breeds, types, kinds, ilk, area...etc....LOLOLO love ya

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