Stiletto Snakes: Clever Biters with Nasty Venom

Horrifying shots of Necrosis after Stiletto bites

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Arm opened to remove necrotic fleshThe Stiletto SnakeThumb almost completely eaten away by necrosis after snake bite.  (This patient almost died and nearly lost his whole arm)See the sideways pointing upper fang allowing Stiletto to slash sidewaysVery bad necrosis of whole hand after attackArm opened all the way to shoulder to save limb and repair damage by venom
Arm opened to remove necrotic flesh
Arm opened to remove necrotic flesh
The Stiletto Snake
The Stiletto Snake
Thumb almost completely eaten away by necrosis after snake bite.  (This patient almost died and nearly lost his whole arm)
Thumb almost completely eaten away by necrosis after snake bite. (This patient almost died and nearly lost his whole arm)
See the sideways pointing upper fang allowing Stiletto to slash sideways
See the sideways pointing upper fang allowing Stiletto to slash sideways
Very bad necrosis of whole hand after attack
Very bad necrosis of whole hand after attack
Arm opened all the way to shoulder to save limb and repair damage by venom
Arm opened all the way to shoulder to save limb and repair damage by venom

The Frightening Effects of Necrotic Venom

Hubbers and researchers who have followed some of my articles for the last 3 years will know that I specialize - or used to - in writing about snakes and arachnids - spiders and scorpions, etc., creatures that give many of us goose-bumps and the shudders.

The subject seemed pretty much exhausted, especially with so much information on wildlife TV programs and the Internet, but very occasionally, a creature pops-up of which I have heard little: such is the protagonist of this small treatise, the Stiletto Snake, or snakes, as these are around 60 species which this sometimes deadly little snake can call its extended family.

One of the reason I had not heard of the Stiletto - or Atractaspididae as it is properly called, is that herpetologists have been struggling to correctly classify the reptile for some years. Only recently has the large genera been identified and arguments still persist as to where the individual species still belong.

The Stiletto and its fellows are nearly all confined to Africa, spilling over into the neighboring Middle Eastern countries.

Some are tiny insect eating snakes, while others are the approximate size of Kraits and can grow to 2 or 3 feet in length.

The Stiletto, variously known as the Mole Viper, Burrowing Asp, Stabbing Snake, Side Biter, etc., is the one we are looking at today as it is the member of the species which has caused the worst problems to man.

It has a very nasty venom indeed and one that is principally necrotic in nature. That is, like the feared Brown Recluse Spider it’s venom attacks the area it is injected and proceeds to destroy tissue and even bone, achieving in spectacular fashion what the substance does in its prey, a small mammal or bird. That is, it begins to digest the flesh of its victim to help in its own internal process, once devoured. It also possesses the ability to paralyze muscles and can cause people to have difficulty breathing as well as heart problems.

It is because the snake’s venom has such a profound effect on small mammals, such as mice, that is it predisposed to affect all mammals, even large ones like us.

The Stiletto Snake has another alarming characteristic and one that has caused the quite high incidence of bites on humans. It can fool even experienced snake handlers by still being able to sink its long fangs into an uninformed hand with its mouth still closed! And it can still bite from the sides of its mouth even when gripped from behind the head, the grip that negates most snake’s ability to use their fangs! It has a nasty temper, too, and will continue to “slash” with its “stilettos” as long as it is restrained…which we don’t imagine would be for very long.

Most snakes have the ability to - and do - inject as much venom as they think a situation demands. Which is why many people have survived attacks from even the most feared of snakes, like Taipans, Mambas, Cobras and the rest. Venomous snakes in the main aren’t interested in killing their human molesters but merely escaping their attentions, they rarely try to expel all their potent charge of venom which would leave them defenseless for a time. So they give you a jolt or two with the accompanying pain and shock in the hope you piss off. Holding on tight to them, though, or following close behind an escaping snake and trying to tread on its undulation body is likely to get you a much greater volume of venom injected the second time when it turns on you, and the deaths we are all familiar with…good, you are too macho, cruel and/or stupid to live!

To digress for a moment, we have all read these “Which is the worst” lists of snakes and spiders, etc. None are truly accurate because of variables such as the amount of venom injected, the size of the species, the kind of venom, (neurotoxin, etc), whether allergies are considered, the site of the bite, number of bites, the size and age of the victim, the time between the attack and receiving treatment, whether an antivenin is available and several more considerations. The “worst” species mentioned above are not the snakes which have caused the most deaths, which honor might belong to the Krait and other small species which inhabit towns and cities in India, etc.

The Stiletto Snake attacks are often spectacular, as is the Recluse Spider, because of the horrifying after-effects of the necrosis which can spread from a thumb, say, all the way up the arm, take years to resolve and involve major surgery and plastic surgery. (See photos).

As there is no antivenin for Atractaspididae venom, (and often accompanying bacterial infection common with many snake attacks) a small bite on the hand can result in weeks of hospitalization and months of follow-up surgery and therapy.

Hey-ho. Why oh why do people mess with snakes who are minding their own humble business and moving around territory that has been theirs for millions of years before man was a gleam in some monkeys eye!

At least the little yellow people don’t make snake soup or they wouldn’t last very long - like the sharks, which poor creatures the Chinese are hounding into early extinction by encouraging the capture of millions each month. Just so their wealthy citizens can enjoy cachet by serving shark-fin soup to their impressed neighbors.

The fisherman just cut the fins off and leave the rest to rot! Disgusting and wanton (wonton?) cruelty. The new great consumers, the Chinese are trouble with a big T for the world’s wildlife…and don’t try to fool us by cuddling bloody Pandas!!


Readers. Please read Christopher Rex' comment below on my article as he adds vital information.

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Sunnie Day 3 years ago

Good Morning Bob...While I am not a snake lover, I do find myself wanting to know about them, strange as that may seem. This Stiletto snake sounds like one to be reckoned with for sure...I find it interesting it can strike with its mouth closed and sidewards. Would not want to find out..hehe..Thank you for a great article as always.

Happy Monday,

Sunnie


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diogenes 3 years ago from UK and Mexico Author

Hi Sunny They fascinate me, too! Thanks for visit and kind hisss!

Bob


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia

Very interesting, Bob! I seem to remember a documentary about this fascinating reptile where a "so-called" expert tried to pick up one of these snakes against the advice of a local guide. He put the creature down rather quickly after the snake thrashed its head and bit the smart ass on his hands.

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Old Poolman 3 years ago from Rural Arizona

Bob, like most people I know, I don't like snakes or spiders. Yet I live in Arizona where most everything outside the home either sticks, stings, or bites.

I'm told there are snakes that are classified as good snakes. I have seen videos of bull snakes eating a rattlesnake and told that having a bull snake around will keep the rattlesnake's away, but don't know this to be true.

I'm also told that a bite from a baby rattlesnake is more dangerous because they have not yet learned to measure the amount of venom they deliver. The baby rattler just unloads everything in a single bite. Do you know if this is true?

Now that the nights are getting cooler, we will be seeing many more rattlesnakes on my property as they need to feed prior to holing up for the winter. Yet it can't be counted on that there are no snakes roaming about in the winter. A year ago on Christmas Eve, I found a very slow moving rattlesnake on my back porch when I went out to get another log for the fire.

I guess some snakes, like some people, just don't always follow the rules.

Interesting hub Bob, thanks for sharing.


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diogenes 3 years ago from UK and Mexico Author

Hi Randy. Yes, that's the one, there has been some interest in it lately.

Bob


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diogenes 3 years ago from UK and Mexico Author

Hi Old Poolman...I have heard that about imature rattlers, too. I kinda doubt if its true. One thing, they wouldn't have a huge venom supply yet and most of the behavior of "solitary" animals seems to be instinctive rather than learned. Rattlers would not seem to have many enemies...one thing might be true. As the small snakes are perhaps victims themselves from birds of prey and large lizards as well as other snakes, any attack they do receive is potentially deadly, therefore they let the lot go??

Interesting

Bob


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia

Hello again Bob. Not completely sure about the small rattlers but I have found many references to them not being able to control the charge of venom given in a strike until they reach a certain age. I'll definitely find out for sure if possible as several of my hubs note the possibility of this being the case.

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aviannovice 3 years ago from Stillwater, OK

I had never heard of the stiletto until now. Thanks for the great info, and yes, I will stay well-away!


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diogenes 3 years ago from UK and Mexico Author

Hi Aviannovice. You'll be OK as long as you keep out of the African bush and deserts. And you have to really ask to be bitten from these small and shy snakes.

Bob


Garnetbird 3 years ago

So true about the Chinese government and their treatment of animals..this is a frightening snake, and I am happy it is not in our area!! Good Hub.


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ChristopherJRex 3 years ago from Fort Wayne, IN

Diogenes, I would appreciate your clarification and elaboration upon particular concepts that you attempt to discuss in this article. For starters, while Atractaspididae is the taxonomic family of these snakes, I believe you might have been attempting to address the genus Atractaspis when you were referring to the “large genus” (as this is the most clinically relevant one). Also, I am curious as to what particular species you are principally addressing in this article, because all members of genus Atractaspis are referred to as stiletto snakes, mole vipers, and/or burrowing asps (even though Atractaspis engaddensis is considered the most “toxic”).

The Saw-scaled Vipers (genus Echis) have long been proclaimed to be responsible for causing the most snakebites/deaths worldwide, not Kraits (genus Bungarus), due to their wide distribution, prevalence in rural areas, dangerous venom (to humans), and increased tendency to bite ( http://ukpmc.ac.uk/abstract/MED/14490 ). I was actually fortunate enough to speak with the first author of that paper, Dr. David Warrell, at the Venom Week conference this summer (where I was able to give a 20 minute talk on my snake venom research), at which he was given the top award for his life’s work on venomous snakes and antivenoms. He also brought up this point (of the Saw-scaled Viper’s status as the most “problematic” snake in the world) at the conference.

As for your concerns about snakes being able to gauge the amount of venom they deliver into predators and prey, I have personally witnessed neonate snakes (most notably among 16 baby Prairie Rattlesnakes, Crotalus viridis viridis) not only selecting how much venom to inject into prey, but also choosing how much venom to try to “retain” during manual venom extractions (in an effort to save some venom for prey/predators). Basically, baby snakes can consciously choose how much venom to inject and they do learn how to get better at gauging their venom release with experience. If you prefer published works, however, I will leave it to Dr. William Hayes (whom I met at the Biology of Rattlesnakes conference last year where I also gave a talk) to adequately back up my claims ( http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0... , http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/1446896?uid=... , http://www.hotkeepers.com/aho/pdf/menu5/hayes1995.... ), as he presented a poster there on educating the public about this topic. Information covering this particular aspect is also mentioned in my hub series on Snake Venom, most notably the one covering Venom Composition and Variability: http://hubpages.com/animals/Snake-Venom-Compositio...

Overall, a nice article, just please try to be specific and stay on-topic without going into any shark or racist tangents (we could, however, sit here and discuss the abhorrent ritual that American Caucasian cowboys engage in every year: the rattlesnake roundup).

Oh, and btw Old Poolman, all snakes are “good snakes” that are worth keeping around (and NOT killing). For why that is, read my other article regarding why/how snake venom-based research might save your life one day (and not just if you are bitten by a venomous snake!): http://hubpages.com/politics/The-Utility-of-Snake-...


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diogenes 3 years ago from UK and Mexico Author

Dear Chris.

Thank you so much for your visit and erudite additions to my article. You obviously know your subject and I will, indeed, take on board some of your advice. I suggest hubbers visiting this article read your comments as an addendum to the article.

Bob


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WillStarr 3 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

As boy in South Carolina, it was my job to keep the rattlesnake population down. We lived in the piney woods, and we had two species of snakes...the small 'sand rattlers' and the big eastern diamondbacks.

By the time we left, I had a large matchbox fill of rattles.


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diogenes 3 years ago from UK and Mexico Author

Well, Will, I bet you have a manaical grin at the chance to shock me again! Snakes are such a useful member of the wild kingdom I am sad when i hear tales of their unecessary demise. But I was a lad with both pellet guns, and, later, .22's and heavier rifles in Oz and the US. I did my share of killing, although I wouldn't any more without the need to directly survive

Thanks for visit and rather macabre image!

Bob


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Genna East 3 years ago from Massachusetts, USA

I would not want to tangle with a Stiletto; especially since it is so reminiscent of a brown recluse spider. It can bite when gripped from behind the head? Nimble little critters, and quite nasty too. (Talk about evolving self-defense mechanisms.) Does this fellow have any enemies besides man to worry about? Excellent write Bob…quite interesting.


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Au fait 3 years ago from North Texas

While we seem to have some of the nastiest critters on the planet right here in Texas (2nd only to Australia), thankfully we don't have the snakes you describe here. We do have our share of nasty snakes, just not these particular ones. The brown recluse and the black widow live here large numbers, and even the wolf spider, which gets quite big, can cause necrosis with its bite, though its not considered poisonous.

Interesting hub and perfect timing with Halloween so near. ;)

Up, interesting, and will share . . . x


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sgbrown 3 years ago from Southern Oklahoma

Such a bad little snake, indeed! I am very glad they are not in our "neck of the woods"! We have velvet tail rattle snakes, water moccasins and copperheads mainly. Hubby killed a velvet tail in the driveway day before yesterday. We do have the brown recluse spiders here and I was bitten several years ago, had to have surgery over it. They are nasty little demons!

Voting this up and more! Have a great day! :)


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moonlake 3 years ago from America

I love the south but don't miss the snakes and spiders. We don't have deadly snakes or spiders here.

This snake sounds awful and I'm glad I don't live anywhere near him. Interesting hub.


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diogenes 3 years ago from UK and Mexico Author

Genna. Most small snakes have to worry about bigger snakes; some large birds of prey, meercats, otters, etc. But they are a successful species. Very hard to handle due to side facing teeth.

Bob


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diogenes 3 years ago from UK and Mexico Author

Hi Misty. Snakes are rarely dangerous if left in peace. Most are shy and want to get out of our way. You have some bad snakes, principally rattlers and the marsh snakes, (coral, mocassins etc) but the really nasty species are in Africa and Oz. Re Wolf Spiders. They can bite - all spiders have venom and fangs - but they so rarely do that they are not considered dangerous to man. Widows are shy and rarely bite, the brown recluse is the real nuisance because it wanders about houses and gets in shoes, etc, the result being an almost undectable bite of their really nasty venom.

Then there is the Limey Trouser Snake of course....!

Bob


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diogenes 3 years ago from UK and Mexico Author

Hi sgbrown. Sorry to hear of your adventure with the Recluse, they are a menace indeed with their painful, necrotic bite.

I am in the UK the only dangerous snakes we have apart from our timid viper are all in Parliament.

Bob


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diogenes 3 years ago from UK and Mexico Author

Hi moonlake.

Yes, snakes don't make the best neighbors, especially when curious kids are part of the equation.

Bob


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ChristopherJRex 3 years ago from Fort Wayne, IN

Diogenes, I’m glad you appreciate my comments. I also intended to mention a couple other bits of knowledge that my articles cover on atractaspidids. Most notably, that some species possess a unique snake venom compound called sarafotoxin, which causes an increase in blood pressure, creates heart rhythm disturbances, and reduces blood flow to the heart (potentially causing a fatal heart attack). Additionally, atractaspidids illustrate a gambit of different teeth and fang arrangements, with some species that are harmless (don’t possess fangs and are non-venomous), some species that possess fangs near the back of the mouth (are rear-fanged venomous), and some species that have fangs at the front of the mouth (are front-fanged venomous). The species most dangerous to humans are the front-fanged venomous ones. You can learn more details about their fangs and venom gland structure in my hubs covering the differences between front- and rear-fanged snakes ( http://hubpages.com/animals/Front-and-Rear-fanged-... ).

It is unfortunate that there is so much disdain here for Brown Recluse spiders, as they are commonly mis-identified and bites by spiders, which are frequently mis-diagnosed to begin with (either by the patient or the physician), only cause necrosis in extremely rare cases. So, although it is *possible* to be bitten by a “true” Brown Recluse, and it is *possible* that you can get necrosis as a direct result of the spider bite, there are at least 35 other families of spiders it could be and at least 43 different diseases/infections/conditions that might be responsible for causing the necrosis (for details, read this paper: https://secure.muhealth.org/~ed/students/articles/... ).

Au fait and Diogenes, most (but not all) spiders are “venomous” (with up to three taxonomic families of spiders being non-venomous), although very few are considered dangerous to humans. I am not aware of any “poisonous” species. Spiders inject their toxins into prey as an offense or into predators as a defense (venomous), as opposed to delivering their toxins into potential predators by way of ingestion or absorption (poisonous). If you care for a detailed explanation of how to distinguish venomous and poisonous animals, please read my hub: http://hubpages.com/animals/What-is-snake-venom-po...

Au fait, although Texas possesses a large number of different kinds (species and subspecies) of venomous (front-fanged) snakes (15), Arizona has the most of any state (19; http://www.venombyte.com/venom/snakes/venomous_sna... ).


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moonfroth 3 years ago from Rural BC (Canada) & N of Puerto Vallarta (Mexico)

Good grief Bob! -- there ARE environmental advantages to living in one of the coldest countries on Planet Earth, where 99% of the natural dangers are comin' atcha galloping, very big, very easy to see, and very easy to shoot! If you just happen to have a large gun. These damn little snakes and spiders are scary as hell. And you tell the tale so well.

And Christopher, I must say, you present yourself as something of an academic authority on matters snaky, and I learned a lot from your two posts, but I found your remarks in your first post rather rude and unpleasant. No need for that. . . .


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ChristopherJRex 3 years ago from Fort Wayne, IN

Moonfroth, I don't care for mincing words and adding "fluff" to my material. I attempt to state things as plainly and straightforwardly as possible because that is what is most efficient. If I want to insult somebody, I will just come out and say it. Otherwise, please don't derive more from what I say than what is on the page. I assume that the people reading this are all mature adults who possess a spine and can handle not being "baby-talked." Go to church if you want somebody to hold your hand and tell you everything is alright (only if you are the same religion as them, of course!).


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moonfroth 3 years ago from Rural BC (Canada) & N of Puerto Vallarta (Mexico)

Christopher -- I confined my criticism to the style of your REMARKS, not your person. I guess you just couldn't resist, eh? It IS quite interesting that you equate manners and civility with childish false assurance and cowardice. And I didn't "derive more from what [you] say than what is on the page"--you managed it all by yourself. Just like the mature adult you undoubtedly think you are.

FOOTNOTE If you're going to counter with an appropriately cutting rejoiner, please do so PRIVATELY from here on. No sense boring everyone else with our personal exchange, should one develop.


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diogenes 3 years ago from UK and Mexico Author

Hi Clark. I was a bit disturbed by Christopher's remarks about my being racist...what i said had little to do with racism but the propensity of one race (the Chinese) to be doing such incalcuble damage to so many species all over the planet. And he is certainly well-versed in his subject, although I noticed some of the info in the above comments are remarkably similar to that found on Wikipedia...perhaps Wiki got it from Chris!?

Also, I don't mind him promoting his articles on my comments section and may even read some of them! I expect the furor will die now...bit of a snake in a tea cup!

Best regards Clark

Bob


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ChristopherJRex 3 years ago from Fort Wayne, IN

Moonfroth, I don’t engage in discussions without evidence. Please present some examples of me being rude/unpleasant, as I wasn’t aware of any of my statements coming off as such, with the exception mentioned below to Diogenes. My remarks were meant to educate and provide factual statements with evidence, not to be offensive. I do, however, believe in the following motto: “Those who are easily offended are ‘poorly’ educated.” To help translate, here’s the text on a graphic I’ve seen on the internet: “If you give someone a fish, they eat for a day. If you teach someone to fish, they can feed themselves until the water is contaminated or the shoreline is seized for development. If you teach someone to think critically and be politically conscious, then whatever the challenge, they can organize with their peers and stand up for their interests.” The ability to think and have an open mind to new/different ideas is an important quality which often appears to be lacking in conservatives (which, coincidentally, also possess lower IQ’s than liberals; for an example paper, read here: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S... ). Hostile reactions to new/different ideas are typically by conservatives who resist change and insist on remaining ignorant. Many conservatives are modern-day “dinosaurs” that are in danger of becoming extinct due to their unwillingness to adapt to, or aid in the creation of, a brighter future for all. I, for one, welcome change and encourage that quality in everyone else. Nobody is perfect and we could all use a little improvement. I also love to educate others and assist in their acquisition of knowledge/understanding of modern Science. These reasons help explain why I felt compelled to leave the comments that I posted.

Diogenes, do you realize that pointing out the “propensity of one race” is racism, since race is the basis for your argument? The Chinese were actually living in relative harmony with nature until Europeans introduced them to the industrial age. Europeans (and the Americans that spawned from them) are guilty of having the longest history in ravaging the environment, since they spearheaded technology into the modern (anti-environment) age.

Wikipedia has a surprising amount of accurate information (and yes, I have helped contribute to some of that information, myself), but I actually derive my information from primary and secondary sources (as stated at the bottom of all of my articles). That is why I often provide links to such references so you can read them, yourself.


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moonfroth 3 years ago from Rural BC (Canada) & N of Puerto Vallarta (Mexico)

Christopher--

I've encountered a lot of pompous asses posturing as "thinkers" on the 'net, but you, my friend, are the new Leader of the Snoot Parade. What a patronizing, self-serving bit of argumentative porridge you've served up! Give you examples of your rudeness? The fact that you even have to make the request tells me what an utter waste of my time /that/ would be. And I've wasted enough time on you already.


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50 Caliber 3 years ago from Arizona

Hi Bob, it's time for me to comment! I have taken to reading and voting, logged in or not, the writer gets a point for my appearance and reading.

I am fond of this topic as my buddy Randy is, above. We get along well, even though he does not kill snakes as a general rule from what I can glean from his well written pieces.

I enjoyed this article as I was unaware of the snake featured and it's ability to hook a handler who would take hold of a snake behind the head. I do on occasion if I have noosed a Western or other species deemed non-venomous but having a grouchy disposition to being handled. A well fed and fat Western Diamond Back if angry is hard to hold as he/she whips 6 or 7 pounds around attempting to break free; one needs a well thought out plan to releasing the snake as to remain strike free, with fang contact. You've presented me with a lesson that strategy may not always be a positive method regardless of ones ability in snake handling.

Old Poolman, above made mention of a "Bull Snake" and I think I'm in the area of his name for a Black snake that I have seen and handled to 5 ft length, I refer to them as rat snakes, black racers and just black snakes, I think I emailed one that is local to my well head and water pressure tank to him and he saw the water related equipment and stated that " that is the place he and his employees encounter snakes most often"

I took that as fact after pondering it and realizing that several varieties both venomous and non venomous snakes increased after there was water in abundance after my well hit water and I have put water ponds of the small commercial dig and bury plastic trays and they have brought many bird species that I like to watch, as well the snakes like to watch for feeding opportunity. I enjoy watching both and the snakes fail as often as they win while trying to catch birds and my score card puts the "Cactus wren" in the win column at 100 percent of my views of snake strikes. I have a Black snake that resides in a shelter dug into the soil and covered in rocks and he/she retreats there after a feeding. I have coerced the Black snake out of the den with a live rattler and brought him up to where the grass grows from hay seeds or bird delivery, I'm not sure which, I just know the area has grown to a grassy area giving the wildlife a partial cover area. The pictures I sent out in an email to those on my list as the Black Snake literally caught the western Diamond back by a grip on it's head and holding it until it's death and proceeded to swallow the complete snake down to the last bit the rattles. It all takes place next to a water leak as well a 3/4inch typical garden hose to give reasonable size comparison of the two snakes. It has been a year or two since I set up a snake fight and got photographs of the encounter.

I'm a bit off topic here as I really don't have any comparison to the Snake you introduced to me in your well written piece. I liked the name of the snake "stiletto" and the side biter or stabber seems to come at a time that it describes the president of the U.S. LOL no matter how you grab him he's got a snaky way out.

I'm planning to look at a few of "ChristopherJRex " links as he may teach me something that a red neck with only the basic knowledge of hands on experience of snakes in my area, of the Sonoran Desert as well as all the way to the northern portions across Arizona and newly introduced to me by Ghost32 a look at the "Mojave Green Rattler" that is equipped with a whole different venom than the Western Diamond Back.

Sorry off topic but I like snakes and get wound up in the different topics here. I found this one to be quite interesting I think I may have mailed you the pictures of "Bongo" the Black snake killing and eating a diamond back in one bite.

Thanks for a strait forward easy to read and follow hub that produced some great comments.

Peace and Blessings,

dust/50


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diogenes 3 years ago from UK and Mexico Author

Hi Dusty...long time no see.

Funny you should mention that about those big rattlers being hard to hang on to. That African chap who has a lot of snake programs and pretty big balls had a rough time with a huge rattler in Arizona, those snakes are so darn strong and he was pleased to be out of it. The only other time I saw him keep clear of a venomous snake was with a huge King Cobra...and he wrestles Anacondas and Pythons. Amazing how that Black Snake handled the rattler, though I bet they wouldn't take on one of those 7 footers, plus. They would be about the top predator where they live...huge fangs and ounces of venom.

Take care bro

Bob


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50 Caliber 3 years ago from Arizona

Bob, pointing out the China realm of going ahead and hunting things like sperm whales and countless other things the the UN (an organization I have little respect for) members have a greed to a moratorium on killing off, is NOT racist by any means, the little yellow dudes, chose and earn their titles I see no racism in pointing out fact.

I thought about 2 reverends here in the states that thrive on keeping the black population, regardless of where they were born turning back to an era that is long old, over and over due to be shut down in the column of racism. I know there are some who are but I don't believe you fit that description in any form.

Peace, dusty


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diogenes 3 years ago from UK and Mexico Author

HI Dust...Apart from the fact, lost on some, that we are all tribal as a throw-back to our huntin'fishin' days, I am not racist. I mean, if we are enlightened, we realize the desire to unite with our own "tribe" is natural, but doesn't mean we have to shoot all others. But the mindless way the Chinese treat the animal kingdom is something else, especially the idiotic use to which they put the poor creatures or their parts. I mean so much used to make homeopatic drugs for stimulation of their libido and sexual performance. Isn't 1.5 billion Chinese enough!!

Bob


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tillsontitan 3 years ago from New York

I'm not a snake lover either but have a healthy respect for them. As long as they leave me alone I'm fine with that. The garter/garden snake and diamond head are found in this area and we co-exist fine. We had one living under our front steps for awhile and we just let him be. Every creature has the right to live his life.

I must admit, a snake that can bite with its mouth closed is a bit terrifying!

Great hub as always. Voted up, useful, and interesting.


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BobbiRant 3 years ago from New York

To say I'm afraid of snakes does not begin to cover it. I love this informative article though, the pictures made me shiver, but I always love your interesting facts whenever I read your hubs. Voted up!


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diogenes 3 years ago from UK and Mexico Author

Thanks Tilly and Bobbi

Bob


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quester.ltd 3 years ago

Respect - yes and a healthy dose of caution.

Well written as always, dear friend.


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diogenes 3 years ago from UK and Mexico Author

Hi, Quester: Kind comment appreciated...

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Shyron E Shenko 3 years ago

Interesting hub, I don't like snakes at all. They are all deadly every last one of them. Even if they are not poisonous, if they come near me I will die of a heart attack.

Very interesting hub.

Shyron


Natasha 23 months ago

Two of those photos are of my husband, the procedure done was a fasciotomy. He being a handler stopped to take the snake off the road as to avoid it being killed by a car, as it was nighttime and raining he had poor advisability. Its fantastic to see that people are learning more about the snake. Another thing, My husband has a kind of anniversary every year around the time it happened where his finger and the scar along his forearm swells and becomes inflamed.

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