Revealed! 2011 Jeep Phoenix Based On Fiat Panda 4x4!

There's no doubt that from the front this new mini 4x4 is all Jeep!
There's no doubt that from the front this new mini 4x4 is all Jeep!
Tough and aggressive as a Jeep should be, but much smaller than any other 4x4 on the North American market!
Tough and aggressive as a Jeep should be, but much smaller than any other 4x4 on the North American market!
The Jeep lineage makes itself clearly felt in the Willys Green and Tan color combination.
The Jeep lineage makes itself clearly felt in the Willys Green and Tan color combination.
There's nowhere that the new 2001 Jeep Phoenix micro 4x4 can't take you!
There's nowhere that the new 2001 Jeep Phoenix micro 4x4 can't take you!
This is not just a paper 4x4. It can tackle angles that would leave a Jeep Patriot gasping.
This is not just a paper 4x4. It can tackle angles that would leave a Jeep Patriot gasping.
The cockpit is designed around all of the requirements for handy offroading.
The cockpit is designed around all of the requirements for handy offroading.

Revealed! The 2011 Jeep Phoenix 4x4, a remarkable 1.3 litre, 5 door, four wheel drive mini-Jeep that is going to take the North American market by storm, while still getting almost 59 mpg!

Based on the Fiat Panda Cross 4x4, the Jeep Phoenix is simply rebadged, but completely suited to North American offroad conditions. It is also an exceptional city car that gets far higher mpg than any hybrid on the market, including the Honda Insight and the Toyota Prius. And all that with a conventional gasoline engine with no hybrid technology anywhere!

The new Jeep is very aptly named Phoenix as it is the type of vehicle that will allow Jeep to arise magically from the ashes of the devastated Chrysler. Just days away from what may be the last days of Chrysler, it is important to note that there are virtually no scenarios that allow for the Jeep brand to disappear from the face of the Earth. For many years, Jeep has been the most powerful brand in the Chrysler lineup and it is effectively inconceivable that Jeep will not continue in one way or another even in the death throes of Chrysler: Perhaps as a standalone brand, or maybe as a brand belonging to another major automotive manufacturer

The Panda / Phoenix 4x4 is definitely the way of the future for Jeep. It's a small, incredibly economical and thrifty car that can go anywhere. Yes, its barely 1.3 litre engine would make it the smallest displacement automobile currently sold in the USA with only the Smart Car having a tinier engine, but the Panda / Phoenix delivers. It can very comfortably cruise at highway speeds and the powerplant contains enough grunt to take the little mini-Jeep up frighteningly steep inclines.

With an innovative four wheel drive system which is engaged by viscous coupling with two Electronic Locking Differentials that cut in below 20 mph to brake wheels that find themselves without grip and slipping and proceed to transfer torque to the other wheels, the Panda / Phoenix 4x4 can handle anything the street or the dirt can throw at it.

Here are some specs for the Panda/Phoenix 4x4:

ESTIMATED NORTH AMERICAN PRICE • $10,500

SPECIFICATIONS & OUTPUT

  • Body Style • Hatchback
  • Doors • Number of • 5
  • Seats • Number of • 5
  • Engine Displacement (cc) & Cylinders • 1248 / 4
  • Valves • Number of • 8
  • Gears
  • 1st • 3.909:1

    2nd • 2.158:1

    3rd • 1.345:1

    4th • 0.974:1

    5th • 0.744:1

    Reverse • 3.818:1

    Final drive ratio • 4.062:1
  • 4x4 Specs
  • Incidence angle • 24°

    Exit angle • 42°

    Slope angle • 24°

    Climbable gradient • 50%
  • Type of Fuel • Unleaded
  • Maximum Power (bhp @ rpm) • 54 / 5000
  • Torque (lb / ft) • 65
  • Engine Layout • Front
  • Wheel Drive • Four Wheel
  • Overall Length (mm) • 3538
  • Overall Width (mm) • 1578
  • Overall Height (mm) • 1540
  • Front Seat Head Room (mm) • 940
  • Front Seat Leg Room (mm) • 1010
  • Rear Seat Head Room (mm) • 935
  • Rear Seat Knee Room (mm) • 585
  • Trunk Capacity Seats Up (litres) • 206
  • Trunk Capacity Seats Down (litres) • 860
  • Turning Radius (m) • 9.1
  • Towing Capacity (kg) • 800
  • Curb Weight (kg) • 840

PERFORMANCE

  • 0 to 60 MPH (secs) • 15
  • Top speed (MPH) • 93

EQUIPMENT AVAILABILITY & PRICING

EXTERIOR

SECURITY & SAFETY FEATURES

  • Automatic Transmission • Option Not Available
  • Central Locking System • Standard Equipment
  • Power Assisted Steering • Standard Equipment
  • Seat Belt Pre-Tensioners • Standard Equipment
  • Driver Side Airbag • Standard Equipment
  • Passenger Side Air Bag • Standard Equipment
  • Anti Lock (ABS) Brakes • Standard Equipment
  • Vehicle Immobilizer • Standard Equipment
  • Visible VIN • Standard Equipment
  • Secure Spare Tire • Standard Equipment
  • Etched Parts • Standard Equipment
  • Window Etching • Standard Equipment
  • Side Impact Safety Bars • Standard Equipment
  • Rain Sensing Windshield Wipers • Standard Equipment

CONVENIENCE & COMFORT FEATURES

  • Adjustable Steering Height • Standard Equipment
  • Power Front Windows • Standard Equipment

SOUND, NAVIGATION & COMMUNICATION SYSTEMS

  • Theft Proof Radio • Standard Equipment
  • CD With RDS • Standard Equipment

OPERATING COSTS

  • City MPG • 39.2
  • Highway MPG • 58.9
  • Combined MPG • 49.6
  • Fuel Tank Capacity (gallons) • 7.7
  • Carbon Dioxide Rating (g / km) • 135
  • Estimated Average Insurance • $273.00
  • Percentage Value Retained (3 Years / 36,000 mi) • 33.00%
  • Estimated Average Monthly Lease Cost • $175.00
  • Maintenance Factor • 24
  • Estimated Maintenance Cost Over 3 Years • $680.00
  • Maintenance Intervals • 9,000 mi
  • Manufacturer's Warranty Term • 3 Year / 40,000 mi

Yes, of course, there is no such thing as the 2011 Jeep Phoenix. Not yet anyway. However, this Hub goes to show how there is no need for extensive redesigning and reskinning of some of the best Fiat models. They can go on sale right away, without having to be extensively modified in any way other than to meet North American safety and emissions regulations!

I've driven a Panda for thousands of miles in Europe and can assure anyone that it is a spectacularly capable car, with ridiculous amounts of room considering the overall size of the vehicle, and more than powerful enough to shred any highway speed limit in North America. It is nothing short of an amazing small car and when dressed up in Phoenix 4x4 garb it will make an astounding, proper, suitable, and extremely welcome economy addition to the Jeep lineup.

I'd buy one as soon as they hit the showrooms. They may not be Chrysler showrooms, but there will be some dealer network somewhere that will carry this exceptional mini 4x4 onroad/offroad great city car!

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gbrox 7 years ago

It's amazing just how thinly disguised this Fiat Panda is. Hope it sells.


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Camping Dan 7 years ago

I am just not into the look of the vehicle. Jeep is getting so far away from that unique durable 4x4 and starting to look just like everyone else. The Wrangler which I have owned one of for 20 years is getting to be all plastic. And the Cherokee Classic which was a great all around family car was discontinued. No wonder they are going bankrupt!


jaybell 7 years ago

great car!!!!!!!!!


Steveo 7 years ago

The panda cross does not have a gasoline engine..its a Turbo diesel which is why it gets such good mileage and has the power to get up steep angles.


Steveo 7 years ago

Oh and another thing 54bhp is the power rating for the 1.1 litre petrol which is not available in the Panda Cross the 1.3 diesel is 73bhp


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

gbrox: Yes, thinly disguised as it's Photoshopped! :)

Camping Dan: Fiat doesn't have any Jeep-worthy chassis platform that is even in the league of the Patriot/Compass, let alone any of the heavier duty Jeeps. If Chrysler does survive and Fiat does base the backbone of its offerings, we can all look forward to a whole lot of teeny tiny cars! :)

jaybell: I've driven a 2008 Fiat Panda 2WD for several months in Europe and I love it! I can hardly wait to buy one on this side of the pond! :)

Steveo: I specifically plunked the 1.2 l engine in there as I don't see the US market adopting a tiny turbodiesel in significant numbers. Don't denigrate that little gas engine though, as I know from experience it has more than enough grunt! :)


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earnestshub 7 years ago from Melbourne Australia

The Jeeps sold in Australia have included some real lemon models, I will be interested to see the Fiat marriage.


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prasetio30 7 years ago from malang-indonesia

nice car, great and enjoy to drive.thanks for article.


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

earnestshub: There was nothing wrong with the Australian Jeep Cherokees of the early 2000s! The engine fires were an additional bonus feature provided by Chrysler to the Ozzies so that they could barbie their shrimps anywhere they went! :)

prasetio30: Yes, the Panda is a great car, and one that I'd love to own on this side of the pond!


Canoe Camper 7 years ago

Great concept! Don't think of it as a replacement for the Wrangler. Think of it as a new choice for people who want to throw a canoe or kayak on top of a vehicle with ground clearance and good gas mileage. Everyone raves about the Honda Fit. Try driving that ground hugger down a rutted gravel road to a trail head. The Fit drags in the icy ruts we get in the Midwest. I don't need a rough, tough Jeep. Repeat: good gas mileage and ground clearance is missing in action here in the U.S. Need a better idea? Build it at the Fenton, MO assembly plant. (No, I don't know anyone who works there. I just know Fenton is a state-of-the art plant that is being shut down.) If the price is as low as I've seen on the net and it is made in the USA, this little gem will sell like hotcakes. Bring it on - the sooner the better! Where can I sign up for one?


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

Sorry, Canoe Camper. You'll have to be the second person to get a Jeep Phoenix since Chrysler owes me the first one for inventing it! :) I love the Panda as I've driven it all over Europe and I'm salivating at the possibility of owning a Phoenix. Come on Chrysler! Get this car into the dealerships. And BTW, I certainly wouldn't mind a meagre $10 million royalty charge for using my creation! :)


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ray898 7 years ago

nice car.


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

:)


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Thadrok 7 years ago from Portland, OR

This hub is pure genius! I like how you created this and car sites picked it up as if it's totally legit! Great work on the photos and the concept.


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

Thanks, Thadrok! When I was composing it I had no idea that it was going to become globally acknowledged as "the next small Jeep", but it does speak volumes that such a vehicle is required in North America. And I would most certainly love to collect some Chrysler-Fiat Royalties for "inventing" it! :)


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thejimster 7 years ago

what a nice car!


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

Yup! I hope they market it and pay me! :)


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ReallyChattyKaty 7 years ago from The Free World

its so cute!! jeeps=love?


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

Let's hope that Sergio is reading this and decides to market it here soon! :)


Dave B 7 years ago

im sorry but wat do any of u c in this sorry excuse 4 a jeep it looks like a smart car suv type thing from the bac and from the dirrect front it isn't 2 bad but the hood and front fender lines should be more straight and flat distinguishing that it is in fact a jeep by looks and not just badging and the distinct grill i also think fiat should die as a present company but i do like their older small compacts which are pretty cool i guess but fiat should be booted and the designers of this particular jeep deserve 2 b smacked and asked wat they were thinking


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

Well, first of all I am the designer so you can ask me what I was thinking. Then you should wake up and smell the Italian espresso: Fiat runs Chrysler now, so if you think that in this day and age with gasoline prices skyrocketing again, Jeep is going to come out with its own Hummer H1 you are the one who "deserve 2 b smacked". :)


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BristolBoy 7 years ago from Bristol

Nice reply Hal! This is a very cool design and well done for doing it! Must have taken you a while to complete it! Well done!


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BuzzWorthy 7 years ago

Looks sooooo real! Excellent work with Photoshop BTW!


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Mark Knowles 7 years ago

LOL - Great hub and interesting comments. I got all sorts of shit for suggesting that American cars are nowhere near as fuel efficient as European cars. Gotta have the 9 liter muscle car apparently. "Till gas hits 5 bucks a gallon.


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

Bristol Boy: Thanks! I took basic photos of the Panda Cross and Jeep-ized them. It was about an hour's work and it was fun!

BuzzWorthy: Thank you very much. I appreciate the props.

Mark Knowles: Thanks! I agree that it seems that many North Americans are still playing deaf, dumb, and blind when it comes to the future of fuel prices and the necessity for much smaller cars... something that Europeans learned many years ago!


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buzzirk mobile 7 years ago from Hudson,Mi

Had me going for a few minutes. Good stuff. I think more Americans will accept diesels than the car companies think.

Mark


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

I've driven thousands of miles in Europe in their diesels and absolutely love them. I also owned a Jetta TurboDiesel in Canada and ADORED IT!

I am salivating for a proper Euro diesel, but beside the few offerings by Mercedes and VW, there really doesn't seem to be any out there on the North American market! In my area diesel is selling for about 65% the price of regular unleaded gasoline, and with the considerably higher MPG, I'd do anything to get one.


Shawn 7 years ago

You have some photoshop skills that thing looks flawless.


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

Thanks! I appreciate the props! :)


russwks 7 years ago

Great gas mileage! Styling reminds me of the early model Kia Sportage..or maybe it's a Mini. I hope we continue to see small crossovers that will offer good gas mileage. If there from the US's floundering auto manufacturers that's all the better. I hope they don't leave design out of the process.


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

Let's just hope that Chrysler can keep the lights on in the dealerships who between now and some time in 2011 won't have anything to sell but air. :(


Rich Howard 7 years ago

OK, so this isn't what we expect from Jeep, or is it? The first Jeep was a government bid project and Ford built more of them than Willys did during WWII. Next, Kaiser took over and then AMC with financing from Renault and we got one of the best Jeeps every, the Cherokee. Daimler Benz has given great drive train support.

Maybe Jeep is vegetable soup of the auto industry. It's healthy, it contains lots of good stuff from all over and with the proper recipe and assembly cooks into an American favorite. Bring on the new Jeep Whatever and while they're at it, give this vechicle have an accessory package for towing behind a motorhome!


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

Daimler has given great drivetrain support? Have you ever driven a Compass/Patriot with that GAWDAWFUL Jatco CVT rubber band tranny which isn't even good enough to be fitted onto a 50cc moped? :)


Rich Howard 7 years ago

It's true. Jatco is used by Daimler Benz but it's really a Japanese product that was spun-off by Nissan and hooks up to the noisy, vibrating Mitsubishi motor. I wouldn't put ewither of these in a good soup just like I wouldn't put rabbit pellets in chocolate chip cookies. My Grand Cherokee Overland has a perfectly good Benz transmission. I have driven a Patriot with a CVT and it was "GAWDAWFUL." Get the right stuff put togeather the right way and Jeep will pull out of the Chrysler mess.


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

Yeah, it seems that Dr. Z. did a lot more damage to the brand that he did good. Let's pray that Sergio is wiser than his German counterpart!


MPescatori 7 years ago

The Panda shown in the pics is the standard Panda Cross 4x4 for the European market.

The pics show the car on the Alps, and pic#5 should be rotated 45º, as grass doesn't grow sideways (LOL)

Someone mentioned the engines: in Europe you have two options, a 1200cc_62hp petrol (gasoline) and a 1272cc_72hp TDi, both with 5-speed manual gearbox as standard.

My assumption is that an auto tranny will NEVER be available and the FIAT 6-speed will not be even considered (pity).

My other assumption is that the 1400cc_74hp engine will make a better qualifier for the US model.

As for the price, at $10,500 it's astealm it retails at 19,000 Euro in Europe !!!

That's $26,000 !!! :^(


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

You're right on the auto tranny. It's not likely to appear but it's a shame as it will really limit the American acceptance of the vehicle. Also the TDi is unlikely but that's a shame. As for the $26K cost, Sergio is no dummy and he knows that he can't charge that outlandish price on this side of the pond. :)


Rich Howard 7 years ago

So, are there any Jeep designer-engineers reading this? If so, you know these pictures pop-up whenever you search Jeep Fiat Panda. Are you guys pinky-sworn to secrecy? Can you give us just a little bit of information on what's coming up?


Serengeti 7 years ago

Good fun Hal! The important distinction here folks is that the same "necessity" and "drive" that enabled the successful outsouring, collaboration, unbiased support and cooporation in the manufacture/design/etc of the old GPVs (JEEP Wranglers now), is the similar to what is needed today to make the brand and niche survive. JEEP is a decidedly American tradition, but it's also every bit the "vegetable soup" described in this hub. The FJ40 and the Defender/Commando are suitible rivals/allies as well.

I'm all for Fiat (Italians) rebuilding a Phoenix (GREAT name, by the way) with all of the ingenuity, cooporation, sweat, engineering, etc from all corners of the world. Chrysler/Fiat is what is NOW and the old thoughts and ideas will no longer propel this or any other badge.

And I'm one American who is not blind to the seeming coup de fet duping most of us into believing that the entire market is driven by anything aside from oil consumption/usage. Clean Air Act my foot! I drove a 1973 Honda CVCC that got AMAZING mileage and was cleaner than the fresh-driven snow. We should be doing anything we can to reinvent these companies by doing exactly what Hal and others here are saying.... take the best of all involved and let the pure goodness emerge from the ashes. Carlos, Dr. Z, Iacocca, Lutz all of them have to understand by this pooint that the consumers of the world aren't QUITE as stupid as they thing we are. Are we??? ;-)

Serengeti


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

Thanks! I had a Honda CVCC as well and was completely in awe of it. That version of the Civic could be plunked into showrooms today and be a huge hit!


Bryant Scott 7 years ago

NO WAY DONT DO IT!!! BOOOOOOOOO Embarrasment to the JEEP heritage! along with the Compass that is already in production! OUCH


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

I'd rather take a beat up rusty Panda with a blown motor than even have a pee on a Compass! UUUUUGLY! :)


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nicomp 7 years ago from Ohio, USA

"This is not just a paper 4x4. It can tackle angles that would leave a Jeep Patriot gasping. "

The front overhang appears to be way to big for it to start up that incline. It would just burrow the nose into the hill.


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

That's why enterprising Italian four wheeler enthusiasts back up the hill. But then again, Italians do almost everything backwards! :)

Hey, before anyone accuses me of racism I AM ITALIAN! :P


Giuseppe 7 years ago

You guys gotta know that this is a terrible pastiche of Badge engineering you have on that image there. That's nothing more than the Panda 4x4 with Trek cladding and a photoshoped Jeep Logo and grill.

That being said, I think that, if you look closely at the specifications of this vehicle, it has WAY MORE OFF ROAD CRED than you might think or even dare to give it credit for! With the appropriate Body type and the appropirate styling, it has some serious market potential if slotted below the Wrangler, people. After all, Jeep has been about practicality and purpouseful performance above all else. Think about it a bit before you just go and bash the possibility.

I believe in the this US brand and I also believe in Fiat's abilities. Both these companies have made mistakes in the past but its time to pick up the pieces and move on. That's what's best for all of us!


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

Guiseppe! NOOOOOOOOO! Don't say that! Are you accusing me of Photoshopping a Panda? OH MY GAWD!!!

Not that it's clear in the text of the Hub, but then again, as a good Paisano I know that Italians are usually too busy drinking vino and doing their mistresses to read much... :)


Alex 7 years ago

This thing is so stupid. Jeep has to get back to its roots. I am a big Jeep enthusiast and this thing is blasphemy to Jeepers everywhere


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

Yeah. Jeepers have a G*d-given right to rip up vast stretches of virgin wilderness with huge V-8 engines getting 8 mpg! After all, everyone knows that Jeepers are elite overlords who do not have to adhere to the ecological and economical rules the rest of us lowly citizens are stuck with. And they say that North America doesn't have a caste system! It does! Jeepers are at the top, and then everyone else is below them! :)


Dr.Robotnik 7 years ago

EGG MOBILE!

TIN CAN O' DEATH.

I wouldn't be caught dead driving that thing. Ask the guy with the 30" tires on his patriot if it would "choke" on that angle.


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

30" tires on a Patriot? Why not just turn a Kia Rio into a monster truck? :)


PipeTobacco 7 years ago

Hal:

Your abilities in Photoshop are extraordinary! I wish I had the knowledge and capabilites you posess in that program.

As for the vehicle.... I am a big fan of Jeeps, and I am looking into buying one right now. That said, however, I also can say that the "Jeepish" Panda 4X4 you created DOES actually have appeal. If they were sold in the US and marketed by Jeep/Chrysler, I think I would seriously consider the vehicle.

Especially in the "Willy's Green & Tan" color scheme. :)

PipeTobacco


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

Thanks, those are extraordinarly kind words. I appreciate it. :)


HiJackZX1 7 years ago

EWWWWWWWWW, what the h3ll is that? That is not a Jeep! I mean the front looks OK, like headlights, grill and what not, but from there to the back, its so ugly. It looks like a Smart Car and Old Jeep Liberty had sex and that ugly thing popped out. People like Jeep for its big masculine feel, this looks like a Jeep turned GAY!!!!!!!!!


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

No prob, dude, you go back to driving your Willys with the 33 inch wheels and 500 cu. in. Eldorado motor around town, and see ya at the gas pumps! :)


Maurizio P. 7 years ago

Hi all, and hello to Hal Licino.

I know the Panda4x4 well, this is actually the *new* Panda, the previous version being an extremely boxy 3door hatchback with a live rear axle, old design from 1978...

For the record, although the Panda4x4 comes only with 1.2 gasoline and 1.3 TDi engines in Europe, the fwd Panda also has a 1.4 gasoline option, with either 75 or 100bhp variants.

So I wouldn't be surprised if the 2011 Jeep Phoenix actually came with a 1.4 liter 75hp engine, rather than a 60hp 1.2

Regards


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

Hello right back at you and thanks for your comment. Yeah, I know the old boxy Panda well. I had a Selecta model which was marketed as an auto tranny, but was actually a couple of pulleys with a rubber band between them. The single worst transmission in modern history! Yikes!


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Joel McDonald 7 years ago from Denver, Colorado

For such a rugged company, that sure is a wimpy looking car! But for $10,500, I guess you can't ask for much.


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

Actually since the time I wrote this, it now seems that Chrysler isn't going to be around long enough for the Fiat cars to hit the showrooms. Another one bites the dust!


Mike 7 years ago

Well I have to admit this thing is cool, and Fiat is not killing off Chrysler's real cars so what the heck. I have done my share to be green. I was driving my 1970 440+6 Challenger (I misunderstood Obama I thought he said 3 to 9 mpg not 39 mpg) now I drive a Challenger SRT8 it gets way better milage! I work in Afghanistan but driving one of these things down the US interstate now that's what I call dangerous.


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Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto Author

Well, it's not certain what Sergio is doing as Chrysler isn't bringing in a dime right now... the next few months will tell. Now be careful in Afghanistan, dude! :)


Howard Lewis 6 years ago

Is there a good diesel on the board for - not only the Panda - but the Grand Cherokee as well?


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Hal Licino 6 years ago from Toronto Author

Well... a diesel that fits one is not going to fit the other. Very different engines are required.


David Gould 6 years ago

guys just think now that fiat own Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep and the Italian side like Alfaromeo, Ferrari, Lancia, Maserati. they will take the best of all makes and all cars will start to show the signs of that i mean look at the 8c alfaromeo it has alfaromeo design and a ferrari v8 engine. now fiat have a sporty v8 engine and a grunty hemi in their pocket now also the 5 pot diesels are great. the join will only make the american side better and the european side too. i own an alfa romeo and it says fiat on the chassis but its alfa romeo engineering and build it just has the fiat badge under the hood same as the ferrari but it does not make it any less of a ferrari. i think this panda cross is to get smaller engines into the us market as no american will buy a fiat panda as you only buy american yet in the uk the little alfa mito has a 1.4 turbo engine which produces 155.1 PS (153.0 bhp) (114.1 kW) and 230.0 Nm (170 ft·lb) (23.5 kgm) just think of the power they will get out of your hemi muscle. do any of you americans like the fiat 500 abarth.


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nadia12345 6 years ago from New York City USA

Nice Hub


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Hal Licino 6 years ago from Toronto Author

David, as much as I appreciate Fiats, Alfas and most of all Ferraris, the jury is still out on whether by the time Sergio is able to get those cars for sale in this market there will be a Chrysler left to sell them through. That is one automaker who's been living on air for over a year now.

nadia, thanks!


Shannon Paulk 6 years ago

I'm impressed that it looks like it can off-road. That's pretty cool.


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allergy1 6 years ago from United Arab Emirates

me too impressed. excellent jeep. you are excellent writer also.


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Hal Licino 6 years ago from Toronto Author

Shannon and allergy1, thanks!


malmeida14 6 years ago

I have one panda 4x4 with diesel engine in a mountain region. The small size is great to pass trough places where full size don't pass. It is not capable as an old pure 4x4, but it can outperform any SUV. In snow with snow tires (I never have to use chains) it's impressive, maybe is lightweight counts for that. The diesel motor is better than the petrol, diesels have more torque at low rpm for the same displacement and that is what you need in offroad.


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Hal Licino 6 years ago from Toronto Author

Absolutely! The American drivers of huge 4WD behemoths have NO idea how great a truly economical, sprightly, and agile four wheeler like the Panda can be! :)


malmeida14 6 years ago

In youtube there a lot of videos of the new Panda 4x4 where we can see it in the offroad environment.

Regarding gas millage, you must take in account that the 4X2 version has a very high gas millage compared with the 4x4 and some times what you see is the 4X2 numbers. Your figures seem to high. Don´t forget that is a permanent 4x4. Mine does 35 to 40MPG in average and in pure offroad the number goes down. But off course it is very good compared with 10 to 15MPG of larger 4x4 driving 4x4. But this is not a car to compare and to be used as a Grand Cherokee, but more like a Suzuki Jimny. It's a different market, for different needs in may opinion. Size don´t always matter.


hubpageswriter 6 years ago

Awesome. I would love to drive this raging machine.


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Hal Licino 6 years ago from Toronto Author

malmeida14: Well, size does matter when you compare it to the fact that Chrysler dealerships are collecting dust and they need something to sell. :)

hubpageswriter: I hope you can handle the sheer, raw power! :)


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Bilaras 6 years ago from Earth

I would love to own this one ...

I have the wrangle and just love it big jeep fan....


mos 6 years ago

nice to meet you I'm mos thanks for good article. This is useful for me. I will come back again.


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Hal Licino 6 years ago from Toronto Author

Bilaras, this little Panda is a blast! :)

mos, nice to meet you too, come back soon! :)


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Hal Licino 6 years ago from Toronto Author

This is what I do to idiots who post under different names and the same IP: 68.118.201.46. Deleted them all. Wasted your keystrokes, moron.


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teenmusicscene 6 years ago from Texas

Jeeps are cool, I ended up with a dodge nitro though.


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Hal Licino 6 years ago from Toronto Author

teenmusicscene, hope you got the V16, 9 litre supercharged version! After all it's important to be ecologically correct! :)


jsmoriss 6 years ago

Gawd that's ugly. What Jeep owner would want to be associated with that!? Yuck.

js.


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Hal Licino 6 years ago from Toronto Author

Any rational sane one who isn't a horsepower addled freak addicted to stomping on nature while sucking up endless gallons of expensive and LIMITED motor fuel. :P


Mitch Smith 6 years ago

Thanks for the interest in the Panda 1.3L TD Cross, and good photoshop montage!. There is rumour that it will hit here (USA)in 2012. I'm in line if it does. This vehicle is so right for 99% of my traveling. I am not a fan of barge-like SUV's and I really enjoy the sense of freedom that a 40-60 MPG car gives you when traveling. The 4x4 feature is necessary as quite a bit of my work requires a snowcountry worthy vehicle. Everywhere I go seems to be 400 miles away; I really enjoy getting there on $20 bucks vs. $100. The Panda has about the same internal volume as my Scion xA, and I have never had a problem with space in that car. But the xA doesn't like snow or ice, so in winter I have to use my old Toyota 4x4 at 16mpg...


tattooed 6 years ago

Does anyone know if the cvt2, second generation transmision in the 2020 compass is improved over the cvt that has been mentioned on this site.

Thank you

Tattooed


Elisabeth 6 years ago

I work for Chrysler guys.......never count us out...watch this summer.....you will all be surprised!!!


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Hal Licino 6 years ago from Toronto Author

Mitch, the Panda will be a hit here for sure!

tattooed, all I can tell you is that the cvt1 is a POS.

Elisabeth, I wish I could be that optimistic!


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ab420 6 years ago from MA, USA

Honestly, I think it's a really cool little concept, and might do pretty well if marketed properly. Then they could offer a sport model with a larger turbocharged motor, an upgraded suspension, wheels, some body pieces, etc.


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Hal Licino 6 years ago from Toronto Author

The current Panda motor zoooooooooms. I drove one in Europe for months. It's a lil rocketship. Keep in mind that the whole car is superlight so the power to weight ratio is superb. As for the wheels, they'd have to jack the car way up to fit larger ones in the wheelwells and then the thing would probably tip over! :)


Todd-'90 Wrangler YJ 6 years ago

Any new news on the Phoenix?Know if it's a definate yet?Hope so!!!


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Hal Licino 6 years ago from Toronto Author

I'd love to tell you yes, so that my old buddy Marchionne would send me a check for a few million, but Fiat's plans for Chrysler are as clear as mud right now. Who knows if there is even gonna be a Chrysler by the time they get their act together? :(


Raj 6 years ago

Very cool - hope to see them soon!


JK owner 6 years ago

P.O.S. Fiat will ruin Jeep, needs to be owned by an American company!!


Scott 6 years ago

I do not want anyone who complains about the Compass to praise this. Actually, I don't want any Fiats and Jeeps to Mix. They will dilute the Jeep image.


Scott 6 years ago

Wait, I got me another idea. Instead of biulding tiny, uncapable Jeeps, lets put diesels and do more advertising. They do it in Europe and it is a success. Jeep should put out a truck brand like dodge's RAM. Afterall, the bestsellers still are the Ford F150 and Chevy Silverado.


bisset2003 6 years ago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yqTOunVNc8

This link shows the fiat as being quite capable wee motor, bigger heavy 4x4s struggled in the same hole...


steve 6 years ago

LOL! IS This a joke awful car you would be dead if got into a car accident with a small design just like the Smart car should be called the dumb car what are the crash test ratings 1 star lol you guys crack me up JEEP is going in the wrong direction wimpy builds please JEEP take your skirt off!


JAG NUILA 6 years ago

SPAGHETTI JEEP


Tim 6 years ago

I love this! They finally got the memo when they put out the Patriot. But its still not enough! I want a gas saver but there is nothing out there that can go off road. Lets all Wake UP! Its a new world and it begs for modest cars with more gas efficiency until we can find another way, or we will die! Its inevitable, good job jeep. I will be buy this if it comes out for sure. I laugh inside every time I see an idiot in a Hummer or raised deluxe truck all by himself. I see a new era wear those are only available to contractors and those with more that 4 kids everyone else by law must have a 40+ mpg vehicle. Common Obama!


Mario 6 years ago

I owned in the last 20 years Cherokee and Grand Cherokee's for what I used it for basicly for Canadian Winters.Think this is great 4x4 for city peep's.What they should bring back is the Diesel grand cherokee.For the amount of Driiving I do a day savew more money then using gas.What's going on in the Golf of Mexico..with BP mostly people will try to get small trucks save gas all the enviroment crap the Panda/Jeep Phoenix is the way to go.


LT 6 years ago

Awesome!!! I can't wait for this vehicle to come into production and be over here. Unlike many who comment and have no idea where they are coming from, I have family in Italy. I was in and drove my aunt's FIAT Panda. All I could say was that this car needs to come to America!!! It's affordable, cheap to run/own, has a 4x4 version, and hopefully will take many unnecessary MONSTER SUVs off the road.


steve 6 years ago

WOW! If they come out with this it will dominate the sub-compact class. I just sold my 1995 hardtop 2 door Geo Tracker 4x4 & wished something like it was available. I need a car under 151" in length. No US car is made that short. I had to settle on a Toyota Yaris which is good, but I miss the height & 4x4. If something like this arrives I'll have to think about selling my Yaris & getting it!


Adam Denio 6 years ago

Jeep has came out with some questionable trucks in the past year or so, but this isn’t worthy of having the jeep logo. It’s an insult. a couple of the posts I’ve read mentioned good gas mileage, economic, nice looking, ect... first of all if you want a rice burner buy a Honda or a fiat, Jeeps are not and have never been economic. I would love to see this POS go anywhere other than blacktop and the occasional dirt road. As far as the nice looking thing goes I don’t know what you consider a nice looking car is but this looks like a modern version of the gremlin. due to everyone that have not use for a 4x4 wanting a fuel efficient 4x4 Chrysler has completely ruined the jeep name and legend.


ciao 6 years ago

I tried a Panda but do not enter anything in the luggage racks


Me 6 years ago

I want this car! As a current Cherokee owner, I can't wait for something smaller and more fuel efficient.


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Hal Licino 6 years ago from Toronto Author

Me toooooooooooooooooooooo!


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Hal Licino 6 years ago from Toronto Author

Phate, clean up your act and come onto my hubs to spout one more racial epithet and I'll get you banned for spamming. Moron!


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quicksand 6 years ago

I would like to have of those vehicles please. :)


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Hal Licino 6 years ago from Toronto Author

Sorry, can't help you. They have all terrain tires but they're not rated for quicksand. :)


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quicksand 6 years ago

I thought as much. I'll settle for your bike, without the cat of course! :)


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Hal Licino 6 years ago from Toronto Author

HEY! I iz da cat! :)


puu 6 years ago

Minun mielestäni tuo on hieno.

Olisi hieno omistaa Jeep-merkkinen pikkuauto joka on nelivetoinen ja hyvä olisi jos sitä saisi automaattivaihteistolla.


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Hal Licino 6 years ago from Toronto Author

Hemmetti! :)


Bob Fairlane 6 years ago

Its terribly ugly, and to fit the "American Market" it will have to be a lemon with 1000 lbs of electronic nanny gadgets including tire inflators and seatbelt warnings, automatic choke and warm-up, electric windows and keyless entry, OnStar, and other douchebaggery, defeating the purpose of the light, utilitarian Panda car.


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Hal Licino 6 years ago from Toronto Author

I've actually begun to give up hope on Fiat in the USA. :(


DieselFreak 6 years ago

I miss the 1980's. That's when Jeeps were trucks. Man, the 2010s are gonna suck.


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Hal Licino 6 years ago from Toronto Author

Nah, it will be great! 4WD roller skates powered by AA batteries! :)


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EarnFunMoneyOnline 6 years ago

That is one ugly jeep, although the mpg is awesome!


Realtranny 6 years ago

Disappointing!! That this is imaginary. Detroit has been

10 years behind on six speeds and 30 years behind on limited slips, just now appearing, LONG OVERDUE, in Camaro and Mustang (this last with tiny 16 gal. tank).

I was about to call my Mopar dealer, even with the antique five speed. Detroit has no clue about economy.

I am not buying a 4WD that eats 12MPG to get across Kansas to a ghost town road, nor going off road into the

boonies with a Mickey Mouse transmission. Kia/Hyundai twins have a 6 speed BUT dropped 4WD!! STUPID! (and they have 4 choices among themselves) Since the Phoenix really

makes sense, Chrysler (nor Detroit) will never build it.


Sam 6 years ago

Great spoof, nice idea - hope it comes to reality for you guys in the US! I've owned numerous 4x4's over the years - Jeeps, Mercs, Land Rovers, Suzukis etc - I've raced them, trial-ed them used them on manouevres etc. I've owned a 'Jeep Phoenix' (Fiat Cross 1.3 diesel)for two months and it is a really impressive machine - gets all the places I need it to - muddy, rutted forest tracks, wet grass hillsides and doesn't cost a fortune to run - everything is lower - emissions/road tax, insurance, mpg, tyres,servicing etc! If I need extra stowage space I hook up a goods trailer. Its even OK on the motorways (around the (UK)legal limit. But what's this about $5/gallon? Here in the UK its about $8.5/(UK)gallon! The vehicle wasn't advertised or pushed very well here in the UK and I only found out about by chance. When I asked Fiat officials why? they said they didn't believe there was a strong market for it in the UK - the same happened previously with Renault Scenic RX 4x4! If common sense prevails you'll get it in the States but I wouldn't hold your breath.


Gerard 6 years ago

Rugged and comfortable car for hcity, highway and rugged terrain.

This Dutchman has been driving with this amazing little car over 120.000 km in 2 years. A joy to drive, never let me down, dirt cheap and extremely durable. Nice to know that's been introduced to the US. Go for it!


Alexander 6 years ago

We own a 2FWD Panda for 6 years now... and love it. The TurboDiesel nowadays cranks out 95 HP.

In a special testing day we could assist a professional 4wd-racer doing miracles in the 73HP-TuorboDiesel. For example climbing backwards a 100% slope... frightfull. But the little Panda pulled it off. And being able to pass between to trees, where other SUV's would get stuck and its sturdieness make it really go everywhere.

A pity that so far no plans in that direction have been announced.


Used Nissan Altimas 5 years ago

The jeep is too small for my eyes but I must admit, the design is appealing!


Jeon, 5 years ago

nice car, thanks to article

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