Water 4 Gas: One Of The Great Whopping Frauds Of Our Age


"Lord love a duck!" I'm old enough to remember when it was considered absolutely scandalous to swear in public, thus I recall fondly when proper gentlemen and ladies would resort to exclamations like that. If I were to state exactly what I think of Water 4 Gas, I would have to resort to far more colorful and far less family friendly terms than that, so let it suffice to say "Water 4 Gas: Lord love a duck!"

Since it is obvious that most Water 4 Gas evangelists dropped out of grade school and their ADHD prevents them from reading too far down in any article, let me state the conclusion right here: "Are you out of your ever-duck-lovin' minds?"

Yes, I do admit that all the hype about Water 4 Gas sounds really good, doesn't it? "Beat the conspiracy of the big automakers who want you to run gasoline engines!" Er... in case you haven't noticed, the big automakers can't give most of their cars away these days, so wouldn't you think that they would jump at a fuel that would actually bring them sales when they're just days away from bankruptcy? However that is logic, and I am aware that is a word that Water 4 Gas enthusiasts can't spell... along with mom, dad and bye bye.

Let's examine why Water 4 Gas is one of the truly great fabrications, mendacities, prevarications, fallacies, deceits, frauds and outright whopping stupidities of our age:

Most Water 4 Gas claims surround the HHO process which electrolyses water into Brown's Gas and then recombines the oxygen and hydrogen through combustion to release energy. There is a nasty little obstacle to these claims and that is the first law of thermodynamics which clearly states that the combustion recombination of the two gases can at best only release the exact amount of energy that was required to separate them. In reality, there are various energy losses inherent in the HHO process, thus the energy derived by burning the hydrogen does not even equal the amount required to create that amount of gas.

In other words, a gasoline powered car utilizing an HHO system as a "power booster" will actually use up more conventional fuel than if the system had been left on the shelf (or trash can) where it belongs. More energy in the form of combusted gasoline will be used to heat up the electrolysis chamber's water and conduits than is derived from the final combustion of the hydrogen. To look at it another way, let's say that you were convinced that bolting a big fan on the roof of your car would increase your fuel economy by 10%, but it took the power generated by 25% of your gasoline to actually run the fan: Unless you flunked math in the third grade, you'd know that it's a pretty fuel-ish thing to do!

None of the HHO physics make any sense at all. You don't need to understand

P = (kg) x V x DV / Dt

to comprehend that it takes a modern American car about 25 HP or around 20 kW to cruise at freeway speeds. To allow for the HHO to provide 25% of that power you would need 5kW or well over 400 amps at the 12V electricity your car runs on. Given that most of your car's wiring is 30A or 20A or even less, how is that electricity being transmitted? Through Tesla Induction?

The extensive, proven, scientifically valid research that has been conducted has determined that a huge electrolysis cell that would fill the trunk of a Lincoln Town Car will generate barely enough energy to keep a 50cc lawnmower or motor scooter idling. Let's forget actually running over 1000 rpm. And, of course, forget actually running the Lincoln, even without the enormous weight of the cell itself.

Many HHO loonies point to the MPG computers in cars showing vastly improved mileage. That has nothing to do with mileage but is an effect of injecting an unfamiliar gas into the fuel system sensors and confusing the computer! The only true test of mileage is:

  1. Run the car until it's empty and stalls.
  2. Place a carefully premeasured amount of fuel into the tank.
  3. Run the car until it's empty and stalls.
  4. Calculate your mileage.

If you calculate the mileage according to this procedure before and after HHO system installation you will invariably find that your real MPG has dropped! By as much as 40%! So HHO costs you 40% gasoline, it doesn't save 40%!

Warning, you might want to do this in a cheap old car as your fuel pump will not be amused. But then again, the much higher operating temperatures and propensity for pre-ignition in engines with HHO systems usually end up burning your valves and damaging your pistons, so your car is likely not long for this world anyway.

Of course what would a Water 4 Gas article be without including the late "great" Stanley Meyer and his resonant molecular splitting DC voltage thingimabobbie? Mr. Meyer is a YouTube legend both with his "water-engined dune buggy," and his death by aneurysm which has sparked more conspiracy theories than 9/11. The hard facts that his technology has never, during his life or after his death, ever ever ever been shown to work in any manner whatsoever seem to not faze his supporters one iota. But that's because one iota is all the cranial power they possess.

But what about Ozzie Freedom (actually Eyal Siman-Tov) and his Zero-Point-Energy claims? Er... well... he's a Scientologist, so I'm sure that the technology was passed to him by Xenu himself who uses it to power his DC-8 spaceliners. Any Clear knows that thetans love pictures, as Scientologists are too stupid to read. Maybe Water 4 Gas fans are all Scientologists? Or maybe they are all just stupid? Or aren't Scientology and Stupidity synonyms?

Water 4 Gas. "Lord love a duck! Are you out of your ever-duck-lovin' minds?" Is there an echo in here?

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Shadesbreath 8 years ago from California

Hah, Hal, lol.  Nice hub, and it's true about Xenu's spaceliner.   I was probably about as annoyed as you when I wrote my hate hub on these things too.  I've noticed since then (not because of mine, but I think because HP tried to regulate the hubs on this garbage scam) that the guys who post the hubs for Water4Gas don't even allow comments anymore.  I used to say stuff and try to back link to mine, but they are just here for the money.  They have no interest in facts.  Just screw some people out of ignorance.  Nice to see someone with your ability to generate traffic pointing it out. You might actually help some people with this.

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Hal Licino 8 years ago from Toronto Author

Thanks, Shadesbreath. I appreciate your nice words. I'm always glad to do anything I can in order to wake people up to these silly scams! By the way, did you know that it's revealed in OT VI that if you remove your R6 implant and use it to catalyze water you can run a Xenu space DC8 on HHO all the way to Uranus? :) (Oh and before I get blasted for being a hypocrite and insulting a religion, if anyone thinks Scientology is a religion, they shouldn't be outside their padded room!)

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quotations 8 years ago from Canada

I remember reading an article a long time ago saying that it was possible to convert water to acetone, with the addition of a certain chemical. And since the acetone would burn, combustion would be possible. I don't remember all of the details, but I was wondering if you knew anything about this.

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Paraglider 8 years ago from Kyle, Scotland

Welcome to the club! I think you're about the fifth or sixth of us to debunk this garbage in a hub, but the scammers just keep on coming. Oh well, keep on trucking, on diesel...

(Mine's called 'Forget water - my car runs on nothing')

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Hal Licino 8 years ago from Toronto Author

quotations: First of all it is quite impossible to "convert" water to acetone as it is C3H6O and there is simply no way for the carbon to just appear. Acetone is usually derived from benzene and propylene through the cumene process and although it could be theoretically possibly through some alchemical process to take water, break it down to H and O, add C from another source, and reconstruct the molecule, you might as well bolt a Mr. Fusion to your trunk and just throw in beer and banana peels. :)

Paraglider: I wrote this Hub under request by Misha and I'm glad to know that you're onboard the debunkHHO train! :)

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Shadesbreath 8 years ago from California

Actually, Hal, you're thinking of the R7 Implant, the R6 would only get a DC8 half-way to Uranus.

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Hal Licino 8 years ago from Toronto Author

I stand corrected. I think the problem was that since I only paid half price for the OT VI course, just $50,000, I likely got a counterfeit version of the LRH Tech. I'm afraid I must have mistaken my ARC triangle with my KRC, so I'll have to come up with another fifty grand so that I finally get it all straight. NOT! :)

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Amanda Severn 8 years ago from UK

Being completely non-technical, I found myself half sucked in by the water for gas thing, although not sufficiently sucked in to write a cheque. How does all this stuff relate to the hydrogen car that I've also read about recently? Personally, I'm totally fascinated by any and every alternative energy producing technology, and with so much in the press about Peak Oil and the end of civilisation as we know it, it's hardly surprising that people latch on to any plausible technology related scam.

Thank you for clarifying the whole water for gas question. If only I'd paid more attention in science!

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Hal Licino 8 years ago from Toronto Author

I only paid attention in high school science since my teacher was a total drop dead fox and I entertained myself with fantasies of the type of teacher-student relationship which was unheard of in those days but seems to have become more or less the norm in the 21st century! :) 

The hydrogen fuel cell is an entirely different technology than HHO. It does not supplement gasoline but replaces it entirely in a combustive process, or eliminates internal combustion altogether in a total fuel cell conversion where only electricity derived from the cell is used to drive the wheels. Billions of dollars have been spent in productive scientific research by major automakers, thus hydrogen fuel cells MAY be the wave of the future, but enormous engineering, infrastructure and pricing challenges need to be overcome. And let's not forget that the Hindenburg was filled with hydrogen, thus the crash safety of a car packed full of the gas remains problematic.

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Amanda Severn 8 years ago from UK

Thanks for your speedy response. I guess the short term answer is to buy a more fuel efficient car!

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Hal Licino 8 years ago from Toronto Author

Hold out for a few months for the new Honda Hybrid. $18,000 and 70 MPG. I may be camping outside my Honda dealer with a check in my teeth! :)

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Misha 8 years ago from DC Area


Thanks Hal, I love it :)

Now I am going to do my part of the job - collect those hubs from you, paraglider, and shadesbreath and give them some serious promotion :)

You guys will make a small fortune from water4gas ads :D

Ed Marquis 8 years ago

Ever heard of SOLAR POWER? I have an HHO generator which produces 2LPM and is powered by a separate 12 volt Lead Acid battery. I charge it with solar panels on the roof of my house. The HHO gives my engine from 1 to 2 MPG increase on my 5 liter 10MPG van. It's true that it takes more energy to produce the HHO, but in essence, I am getting that energy from the sun and converting it into a gas which enhances my otherwise unenhanceable gas mileage. Try something yourself before you totally "debunk" it.

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Hal Licino 8 years ago from Toronto Author

Way to go Misha! Let's all join forces and throw those scammers off the net! What kind of profound liar do you have to be to actually promote this useless junk anyway?

Ed Marquis: Getting solar cells to produce the electricity just so you can create HHO is expensive, convoluted and just plain ludicrous. You'd be far better off getting a plug-in hybrid and going directly from electric to electric. That way you wouldn't burn out your engine and wouldn't be fooling yourself either! :P

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