Workshop Machinery-automotive repair shop equipment-Wheel balancers new and used

Wheel balancers have had to change lately to accommodate the very large wheels now available for many cars.

The thing is though, unless you run an auto shop that specialises in balancing modern wheels or selling tires for them, it may be better to outsource the few large wheel balance jobs and keep your old machine at least until we see where this large wheel trend ends.

Most early wheel balancers will do up to 18" wheels in several different balancing modes, including stick on balance weights and inside weights used on some alloy wheels that require them.

Wheel balancers like all automotive equipment, work very hard and quality machinery is essential. Don't get caught with a cheap one. You will regret it daily!

There are many good makes and models of wheel balancers that are now reasonably priced because they will not balance wheels above 19 or 20 inches in size.

The ones I have reconditioned and tested are listed in order of my preferences, but all have their place.

Coats 700

Coats

Coats have been making wheel balancers forever! All of their early and late model automotive equipment  has been first class apart from some easily broken touch pads at one time on their truck wheel balancers they have very few problems.

Most of their machines have big heavy motors and can take on a very heavy wheel/tire combination with ease.

The later ones used smart clutch start to be able to handle heavy work. Simple yet sophisticated these are amongst my favourite wheel balancers.

The very compact 700 series is a great little balancer that can handle big jobs.

The balancing speed is slow and this unit does not require a protection cover.

Amongst the bigger 3 phase wheel balancers this one is a favourite.  the Beissbarth 730.
Amongst the bigger 3 phase wheel balancers this one is a favourite. the Beissbarth 730.

Beissbarth have made some wonderful equipment but in repairing their wheel balancers I have found some models to be better than others, as with other excellent products such as Hoffman who although making great automotive equipment and machinery,  have made a few lemons as well over the years, so careful buying a used one unless you know the models and their shortcomings. If you have a good technician Hoffmans can be sorted and made near bulletproof by changing a few chips.

One way to judge a balancer is by who is using them, and both Hoffman and Beissbarth have a solid following from major car manufacturers which does give them heaps of credibility.

Wheel balancer cones and wheel mounting tools are expensive to buy and calibration usually cost over $80 call-out charged and $80 an hour or more for the technician.

The cheap Chinese balancers are as good as their tire changers with lousy cheap motherboards and even worse metallurgy.

You could not give me a Chinese wheel balancer after having worked on them!

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See below for free Beissbarth and other wheel balancer calibration procedures.

The famous Repco 472 wheel balancer

This is one of the worlds best balancers. Although they only balance up to 17" wheels and are 40 years old these are still a common sight in Australian workshops.
This is one of the worlds best balancers. Although they only balance up to 17" wheels and are 40 years old these are still a common sight in Australian workshops.

472 Repco wheel balancer.

Here you see the simple wheel mounting shaft.
Here you see the simple wheel mounting shaft.

Developed from the earlier 470 single phase the Repco 471 was even better. Reliable, accurate and well designed it sold like hot cross buns at Easter.

Only a few tools required to mount many different wheels, an easy set-up and legendary accuracy set these aside as a brilliant wheel balancer.

The early model did up to 14" wheels but was equally accurate, although some updates did occur with switch and other modifications it remained much the same until the 471 which took 16" wheels.

I have sold so many of these 471 and 472 balancers I lost count.

With all the balancers we rebuilt and sold these are a favourite to sell, because they are so reliable once mounted properly in place with 2 loxins holding two metal plates that fit over the base of the machine.

Wheel balancers need to be bolt mounted to the floor to perform properly.

I was fortunate enough to have the service manager of the factory that manufactured these and other machinery to offer advice and guidance on the ones I had for sale. He is a good friend, and a well known hubber his name on hubpages is agvulpes!

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Hello, hello, 6 years ago from London, UK

Very well written and informativie. I keep telling my son he has to balance his wheels. I will pass it on.


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earnestshub 6 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Thank you for reading Hello, hello, I will be extending this hub as soon as I find some more machinery pictures I have on file from my workshop machinery business.


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agvulpes 6 years ago from Australia

Hi earnestshub. You have quite a collection of Wheel Balancers up there and I appreciate your kind words. I'm proud to say that I was part of the early development of the Repco 470 range of Wheel Balancing machines. This machine was a fore-runner to all of the Electronic Wheel Balancers on the market today. Personally I think they have gone over the top with the development. There are so many variables when mounting a wheel on a vehicle and the balance is only a part of the equation. I still see the old Repco 471 range around today and in the right operators hands, still capable of giving a good wheel balance.

I certainly agree with you on the Chinese manufactured machines they have a long way to go before they will have a good product, the problem they will have is get enough quantity in their sales to warrant them being made.

I'm afraid I cannot agree with you on Beissbarth the experiences I had with them in the past leaves a lot to be desired and they need to improve their game to win back their reputation.

Very interesting Hub I'm looking forward to reading more of your Workshop machinery articles.


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earnestshub 6 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Hi agvulpes.

I am in awe of your experience with wheel balancers as well as other workshop machinery and equipment and felt privileged that you shared such essential knowledge when you consulted.

I smiled when I saw your comment on Beissbarth balancers, as you would know they had a stack of strife with one of their aligners, and my guess is that there is a hole in the wheel balancer knowledge I have that you have covered in your long career in the industry.

You should write a hub on your experience in bringing the 470 series of wheel balancers to the market. My guess is it would make a very interesting read.

Workshop machinery was developing quickly all over the world at this time, and you must have a great story to tell, if not hundreds!

Now off to the salt mines with you to write us a hub!


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agvulpes 6 years ago from Australia

LOL well you are quite the slave driver aren't you :-)

Yes I do have some stories and yes I will write a hub about my experiences with the various Wheel Balancers.

I do appreciate your kind words but I'm not so sure that your should be in awe, maybe just respectful of your elders. lol


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earnestshub 6 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Glad to hear it agvulpes.

I am in awe because I learnt enough to understand some of the difficulties inherent in automotive machinery design and you guys were the real backbone and driving force behind solving all those dilemmas.

The fact that for most wheels the 470 is still a viable balancer after all these years is testament to that.


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Gefforyt 6 years ago

This is a great article on wheel balancers. We purchased a Hunter Road Force GSP9700 About 2 years ago. It truly is a top of the line wheel balancer. Very expensive but it paid for itself in the first year. It has roller arm that simulates road force and will measure tire and wheel run out, and will tell you the best possible fit and where to remount the tire on the wheel. If you get a free moment you should check it out. As with any premium service, customers will gladly pay a premium price


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earnestshub 6 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Great stuff Gefforyt. I am familiar with many of the Hunters we have here, but will need to research the GSP9700.

Come to think of it I may know it as something else in Australia, I will check.

I agree, a top line balancer can be a great profit centre if the service manager knows his stuff as you do.


Tony S. 5 years ago

Hi, we have an old Balco machine where i work which struggles to balance wheels 17 inch or bigger. Sometimes 16 inch rims can be too much for it.

Everything works as it should. the auto-brake cuts in after the spin and weights required are added, another spin to recalculate and the result is more weights required again. You could do this all day till you you ran out of weights!

Admittedly the balancer is old, but its a Balco machine which has settings on the dial for up to 17 inch wheels (maybe 18??)

Is there any hope for it? A recalibration somehow? Or is it time for it to be moved on.

Hope you can help.

Thank you.

Tony


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earnestshub 5 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

The old Balco may have a fault if it wont hold it's calibration.

They are a great machine, and if you let me know which model it is I may have a clue.

Do you have the manual? If not I may have one I could send you. (free) in pdf format.


Tony S. 5 years ago

Hi, thanks very much for your time. The machine is a b930 handspin with wheel diameter show up to 17 then further sizes written in red up to 24 on the dial.

I agree the balancer is spot on when balancing wheels up to and including 15 inch wheels. Hopefully it can be fixed, and there we have no manual.

Thanks again for your time.

tony

Foofighterdave@hotmail.co.uk


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earnestshub 5 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Hi Tony, sorry about the time zones!

I do know the B930, but agvulpes is especially knowledgeable on wheel balancers and may offer some help on this forum, and I may have a manual for it.

Here is the calibration procedure.

http://www.agequipment.co.uk/b930cali.html


Tony 5 years ago

Thanks for the info and your help. We will give that a try.


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earnestshub 5 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Peter suggested moving the weights a little rather than chasing the balance. Good luck with it, if you need more help feel free to ask, it is always a pleasure for me when I can offer help.


terryb99 5 years ago

Balco b9.. series Weight chasing..

Calibrate it using 100grm LEAD WEIGHT on a popular 15" 16" OR 17" Steel wheel(it will then be most accurate on wheel YOU HAVE SELECTED)These balancers are very accurate and where other machines may tolerate any old weight and display Zero for these macHines you will need to invest in some 5Gram weights.When using hidden stick-on weights with modern deeply dished wide wheels select the mode that shows Stick-on weights on the outer rim edge but apply them inside.Apply less than indicated and add more to adjust to zero(usually in the same place ).Why? because when it was first designed the average wheel was rarely wider than 6" and the hidden weight mode was set to assume that the hidden central position would be only 4" from the rear edge of the rim, and that the well of the rim would effectively reduce the internal diameter by 2". WHICH IS WHY HIDDEN WEIGHT BALANCING Always USES SO MUCH MORE WEIGHT (On all Machines)


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earnestshub 5 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Thanks terry! Good information to assist with understanding wheel balancing.Your explanations are very clear.


Chris 5 years ago

Hi. I have an FMC model 2500 wheel balancer. It was supposedly working a week ago or so. Right now what happens is that it turns on and acts as normal. However, once the wheel starts spinning, it never stops or provides a weight correction or anything. I tried the calibration mode as well and the same thing happens. It spins forever and never stops. Any idea what the problem may be? Also, do you happen to have a manual for this model? Thanks so much!


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earnestshub 5 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Hi Chris. I will see if I can dig out a manual and send it to you. It sounds like one of the relays could have burned it's contacts, but I will try to refresh my memory. I should be back here within the hour with some help. OK, I found some information on the 2500. If it is the same as the 4100 which it probably is, then I can offer some help straight away. I have a parts manual and wiring diagram so far, and may be able to find an owners manual as well. Should have one somewhere!


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earnestshub 5 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Chris, here you will find calibration procedure for FMC 2500.

http://www.agequipment.co.uk/fmccal.html

If you need the other information I can send it in PDF.

You can send me your email from hubpages, no one will see it but myself.


Pertyfly 5 years ago

Thank you for the reply. I really appreciate it and would love whatever manuals you may have for it. My email is as follows. Chris-1 at Rogers.com. Also, you're thinking that it is a relay? Would you possibly have any further insight into this? I will tear it down and have a quick look as soon as I can. Again, thank you very much.

Chris


Pertyfly 5 years ago

Just another update/question. I read another forum which is regarding the 4100 and someone said to do f50 and press spin. You then rotate manually and it should read from 000-255. Mine jumps back and forth from 000 to 001. It seems everytime the eye gets a sensor input it does this. Now my question, how is the unit told to stop spinning? Does it reach a certain number of revolutions or is it a time limit or what? I also tested both relays and they are just fine. Also, just a clarification to my initial post - it stops if I lift the hood or press stop. Just not on it's own. This is why I think that whatever initiates the slowdown/stop cycle is not cutting in. Thanks.


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earnestshub 5 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Pertyfly, I will send you what I can find, and will ask agvulpes on hubpages what he knows about the likely cause of the switching fault. I will work through this with you if I can. If the hood switch and stop switch are working, it may be fixable by recalibration, as it seems it is not satisfied with it's own results, so runs on. I will know more later today. Some wheel balancers can be a pain when they give trouble.


Larry 5 years ago

Great article .. .. I have used this machine to mount and balance 17 inch wheels + tires see

http://www.readywheels.com/wheel-and-tire-packages...


Terry-Ingenious 5 years ago

Does any one know where to get spare parts for or who can repair a Repco 471A Wheel Balancer in or around Brisbane Qld.


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earnestshub 5 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Someone will know, I will ask around for you.


Terry-Ingenious 5 years ago

Thank you, The transformer & capaciter inside the top box have fried. Even a wiring diagram would help if any one has one.


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earnestshub 5 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

I can help with a wiring diagram.

I will build a pdf and send it to your email if you like. I will ask my friend agvulpes about the parts. You may be able to buy both new if there is something to replace them.

Stay tuned, and check your email.


Terry-Ingenious 5 years ago

That would be much appreciated. This balancer has been in our family since it was new, and as far as I can remember has never required calabration or repairs. Wouldn't be nice if all our workshop equipment was as reliable as these were.


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earnestshub 5 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

I had a look in my files and have only turned up the users manual so far. I think I may have a PDF on my old laptop, I'll boot it up and take a look later. I have one somewhere.


Ninu  5 years ago

My father just bought a repco 471a balancer but the needles that show how far out the wheel dont work any ideas?


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earnestshub 5 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Ninu, check to see that the cable is connected. You will have to pull the top cover off to see the other end of the cable.


Ninu 5 years ago

Thank you.

We were able to get one niddle (that reads the out side of the rim) to work but the other niddle dosent read anything. Could that niddle be faulty?


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earnestshub 5 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Ninu, it is possible that one of them could be broken, but it is unlikely from my experience. I will not be able to help until Friday when I can get access to the information. In the meantime isolate the meter and check it for continuity with a multimeter.


Ninu 5 years ago

That would be much appreciated. Thank you


Terry-Ingenious 5 years ago

Earnestshub, Any luck with agvulpes (spare parts) or a wiring diagram for the 471A.

Thank You.


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earnestshub 5 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Hi Terry, ag got back last night, I will not ring him again till tomorrow now, as he was a bit tired last night.


Ninu  5 years ago

Hi Earnestshub just woundering while you were looking for some information that may help my father and i, would you also know how to calibrate the repco 471A balancer for when we get it working


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earnestshub 5 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

I will get the calibration procedure asap Ninu.


Ninu 5 years ago

Earnestshub, Any luck


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earnestshub 5 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

A lot on my mid Ninu, I forgot! I will try to contact Peter now.


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earnestshub 5 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Nino did I send you a 472 manual? I think the instructions are close enough to suit the 471A. Peter has forgotten the sequence, as I have, but I do recall you start with a 14-15 or 16 inch perfectly balanced wheel. The adjustments are made on the potentiometers inside the head that effect a current change to the meters. Peter has gone to look for the information, in the mean time I will check another hard drive I have for the data.

I still have a lot of manuals, but these Repco 471's are getting harder to find.


JohnK 5 years ago

I am a looking to buy a balancer for my home shop. I can't justify a high end expensive machine. You say Chinese machines are no good, and I would guess that they are the bulk of the balancers in the lower price range. I have been searching the web and I haven't seen any ads which list the country of origin. How does a potential buyer identify which machines are Chinese made? I am uneasy buying a used balancer such as a Coats, for fear of buying a machine that may be inaccurate, or has a problem the seller didn't mention. Can you recommend a good low priced balancer? Something in the $1,000.00 price range.


Terry-Ingenious 5 years ago

Hi JohnK,

I also have the same conflict, If I don't or can't repair my existing antique Repco 471A, I can't justify the dollars (compaired with how many balances we do) for a new "Good" brand name machine so it's either new chinese or take the risk buying second hand.


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earnestshub 5 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Buy yourself a Coats 700. Easy and safe to operate, easy to repair, cheap to buy, reliable as it gets.


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earnestshub 5 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

I have found the service manual for the 472 which I can send to you if you like. Otherwise look at the Coats 700 I mentioned above.


Johnk 5 years ago

Are you suggesting a "used" Coats 700 would be better than a new Chinese machine? A "used" Coats 700 here in Northeast America costs around $1,200-1,500 US dollars, depending on age and condition, which is more than I had planned to spend. Should I choose to spend the extra money, and buy a Coats, what should I look for to tell if it is working correctly before I buy it. Are there any other good machines you would recommend in case I can't find a used Coats 700 that would fit in my budget?


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earnestshub 5 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

In Australia I can buy a used Coats 700 for around 1k, a new Chinese one such as "Launch" for about 2.5k.

The metallurgy in the launch is crud, the motherboard is crud, and parts when you attempt to buy them are usually pulled off a failed machine, service is non existent.

One of the reasons the Coats is so good is it is slow revving and safe as well as reliable, service and parts are a breeze, even for an old one.

Yes I would recommend several other machines, such as Corghi, Sice, Beissbarth, but the Coats is common and easy to find in good condition, small and easy to operate, self calibrating and reliable.

You can buy any of the old named ones that have been bought out and continued under other names, such as the FMC which is called something else these days.

Almost all the manufacturers have changed hands recently and have gone through a branding war similar to the auto industry has with cars. Names like Hunter and John Bean are also among that list.


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earnestshub 5 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Those seeking assistance or manuals can get in contact with me at earnestster@gmail.com

I will help where I can.


Johnk 5 years ago

There is a Coats 700 for sale here for $1200, with the light truck cones, but that price might be negotiable.Are there any common problems with the Coats 700 that I should know about before looking at this one? Something you might want to check out before buying?


Wheel Balancing Weights 5 years ago

Maintaining the tire balance on your vehicle is critical to receiving satisfactory service from your tire investment. In addition to providing a smooth ride, balancing is a key component in tire wear.


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earnestshub 5 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Well the first thing I would do is offer $800!

Not much to worry about if it will balance a wheel.

If not, it could have a number of problems, but that number may not cost as much as a mistake like buying a Chinese wheel balancer.


JohnK 5 years ago

I offered $800 he went to $1000 and won't budge. At $1000, he is at the price of a brand new Atlas balancer, so I'm back to square one, New or used.


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earnestshub 5 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

If it is clean, with all it's tools in good shape and has a decent speed nut such as a Haweka, I would pay 1k providing it has not come out of a busy tire shop and done a stack of work, it will be a lot more durable than the atlas.


JohnK 5 years ago

The fellow selling the Coats 700 owns an auto repair shop, not a tire store and I have no way of telling how much he used it although he said he replaced it with a balancer that cost $14,000. This would tell me he does a lot of tires else he couldn't justify a $14,000 purchase. I was looking at the Ranger balancer also. Is Ranger a Chinese machine too?


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earnestshub 5 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

I would leave it there if he is buying a 14k machine. Many of the "American" wheel balancers are made in China these days. The price is the best indicator of where it was made. Coats even have some models made in China. I have yet to see a decent Chinese wheel balancer, and have worked on many. They even copy design faults when they copy a machine. Eg: the Launch that copied the FMC, copied the crappy valve body design as well!

I believe you should be able to find a low use genuine Coats 700 for AU$800.


Johnk 5 years ago

I'll keep looking.

You don't happen to know about tire changers too, do you? I need one of them also.

Thanks for your advice.


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earnestshub 5 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Hi John, yes, I sold and serviced all auto shop equipment.

Same advice. Avoid Chinese tire changers.

I would need to know what type of wheels you are dealing with. If you need to do run flat, the latest low profile tires, or very large wheels you will need side assist technology which is a lot more expensive than a simple tire changer.

Good makes to buy used are, Butler, Beissbarth, Coats, Cormach, Faip, Hunter, Rav, Sice, Cemb.


Johnk 5 years ago

HaHa How did I know you would say "Don't buy a Chinese tire changer."

I am looking and saving for the changer. Haven't found any good used ones yet. Mostly old rough looking machines, and no rim clamp changers at all.

I will be changing mostly OEM wheels and maybe a random aftermarket wheel. Probably nothing bigger than a 20 wheel, if even that big.

I thought I read that the older machines such as the Coats 4040 won't handle tires bigger than 15",, but I don't know if that's true. I also read that rim clamp is the only type to buy considering today's wheel trends.

I'm in no rush to find one now, because I am more concerned with my balancer purchase.


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earnestshub 5 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

The coats will handle up to 18" as I remember. The earliest of them fitted 17" Too old anyway, and as hard as hell on rims unless your operator is familiar with this model. They are certainly robust enough to rip any tire off, and ideal for dirty work.

I would be looking around for a failed business that was over capitalized. You will in time pick up a nice clean machine with the full monty. Dual side-assist has been around a few years now, and Faip, Beissbarth should be available from fully equipped smaller auto shops that fail with great regularity. I have used many tire changers that are awkward, and you need to watch your back bending over the big mounting tables on some of them.

Butler make a good unit that has been out about 10 years. I have seen several that were in top condition in smaller and larger outlets. Nice quality and easy to use.


Johnk 5 years ago

I did a search of 100 miles around me and there was only one coats 5060 changer for $1500. Everything else was either Chinese or big bucks. I didn't see any of the other brands you mentioned.

I used a coats 10-10 for a couple years and there is a 40-40 that looked pretty tempting but I don't want to buy yesterdays technology especially when the wheel industry is going to high tech.

I thought wheel balancers were pricey till I started looking at tire changers, boy what an eye opener.

I guess I'm going to have to save more money to up my budget.


JohnK 5 years ago

Are Hofman tire changers American made?

There is a Monty 12.SE-18 for sale on Ebay but I cannot find out any info on it. Not even on the Hofman web site.


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earnestshub 5 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Hoffman are a German machine sold and serviced by snapon in the USA. It sounds like an entry level that handles 18" wheels. I will find out more about it in my book when I find the time if you like.

A quality tire changer.


Johnk 5 years ago

There is a fellow not far from me selling the one on Ebay but I couldn't find out anything about the model he is selling. The price is in my range $700 USD, so if you could shed any light on this model I would be grateful.


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earnestshub 5 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Italian, made in 1991 or there-abouts. Takes 18" wheels.The price is right if it is in good condition. It will have a head that swings to the side, original color blue. Heavy and durable, but make sure it works. Parts for all tire changers are expensive. See a picture here.

http://www.angelfire.com/pa5/maryterp/Items.htm


Johnk 5 years ago

Thanks for the info, It look pretty good in the ad, but I will have to go and look at it and make sure it works OK.

Here is the ad:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Hofmann-Model-Monty...


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earnestshub 5 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

That looks OK, check the table rams (the silver ones that lay flat under the table) to ensure they don't leak, check that the head locks down properly and that the drive that turns the wheel is strong. The best way to check it is with a tire that has heavy sidewalls, such as those found on light trucks, 4wd etc. Good luck, I hope you have a win. Try to get a manual with it. I may have one, but not sure.


John S 5 years ago

Hi, I own a Coats 700 Wheel Balancer and I think I need to replace the motor due to a bad bearing (which appears to be pressed to the motor). Does anybody know where I can buy a motor 110V on line? Thanks,

John


Johnk 5 years ago

I missed out on the Hoffman changer, so I'm still looking.

There seems to be an abundance of older Hoffman balancer and changers around, and above you mention that Hoffman made some lemon balancers. Could you tell me which models to avoid? Also are there some changers models to avoid too?

I did find a Coats 850 for sale. Is this a good model?

Sorry to ask you so many questions, but I think you are the only one on the internet who is willing to help folks like me, and I am very grateful for all your help.


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earnestshub 5 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

I can't recall which models had all the trouble with the Z80 component but I would avoid them altogether if you don't know them.

The 850 is a fine machine.

In changers avoid old beissbarth with 3 jaws (clutch trouble)If you see a make and model, just post it here and I will fill you in where I can.

Be careful of some early FMCs that have unusual jaws that are now impossible to buy.

Some good makes are Coats, Cormach. Eagle, Faip, GS. Rav, GS, Butler, John Bean.

I hope this helps.


Johnk 5 years ago

How about Hunter balancers and changers?


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earnestshub 5 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Hunter make good equipment as well, we don't have a lot of them in Australia, but the ones I have seen were high quality.


SEEAuto 5 years ago

hello Earnestshub, we recently purchased a used FMC 2500 wheel balancer and unfortunately, it did not come with a calibration weight. We can't seem to locate one as FMC is no longer in business. Any suggestions? Thank you!!!


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earnestshub 5 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Yes, Snap-on will be able to supply an equivalent weight from another model that will fit. You just need to talk to a helpful rep.


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earnestshub 5 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Yes, Snap-on Tools will be able to supply an equivalent weight from another model that will fit. You will need to talk to a helpful rep who knows them well.

It has been too long for me to remember the details off hand. If you don't get any assistance, contact me again.

For calibration information go to http://www.agequipment.co.uk/frames.html


Rodders 5 years ago

Photo doesn't show the insides of any Balco wheel balancer I ever saw!


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earnestshub 5 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

That would be because it is not a wheel balancer!

It's an early computer in a Balco wheel aligner showing the board! Thanks, I'll fix the pic!


inter_e 5 years ago

Hello, and I hope you can help me out. I just purchased an FMC 2500 wheel balancer and it was suppose to work fine. I brought it home and tried to calibrate it with the calibration weight and it gave me a CAL ER both times, which in the manual says that I might need a servics rep. Well I live in Saranac, MI. and there is no one around to help. Do you know of some steps that I can try to fix this or diagnois the problem. I am prety handy with electronics but don't know where to start. I do have it on a level concrete floor but it is not bolted down yet, if that makes a difference. Thank you very much for your time and reading my post. Steve


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earnestshub 5 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Hello Inter_e.

Here is a place to get the calibration procedure and advice.

http://www.agequipment.co.uk/cali.html

I will look for a manual and if I find one I can send it to you.


inter_e 5 years ago

I have the manual and the calibration procedure, it just keeps failing and instead of CAL GOOD, I get CAL ER. Just needed to know if you know some simple things I can check or adjust since I have no one within 200 miles of me to work on this? Thanks for your help. Steve


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earnestshub 5 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

It can be very frustrating looking for cal errors. :)

Level it and bolt it down first, then re-check the calibration.

I can't think of any way to repair the unit without a service manual to measure electronic output against. You may find one online. I will take a look online for you if you like.


inter_e 5 years ago

I will give it a try and see if I can locate one. That is kind of what I thought I might have to do. If I can find one for the John Bean 4100 would it be relatively the same or do I have to find the 2500 FMC only. I will get it bolted down and level first to make sure that I'm not getting any movement causing problems. Thanks for the tip and your help so far.


inter_e 5 years ago

Earnest, I bolted my FMC 2500 down to the floor and leveled it, Still gives me erroe message when I try to calibrate. Do you know how to test the sensors to see if they are bad. My machine came with a new one under the cover but I don't want to just switch it without testing the old ones. The circuit board looked descent with no burn marks or blown caps and diodes. From what I've read it sounds like a sensor (encoder) could be bad, but I don't know how to test with a meter, any help? Thanks, Steve


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earnestshub 5 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Steve, I went through all my manuals, and can't find anything.

If you contact these people from their front page http://www.agequipment.co.uk/cali.html

They will be able to help you hopefully. I will keep looking, I have a helluva lot of information to go through, but I feel confident you will be OK with the link above.


inter_e 5 years ago

earnest thanks for the reply. I sent them an e-mail and maybe they will be able to help more, but thank you for pointing me in the right direction. Steve


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earnestshub 5 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

You are welcome Steve. If I turn up any data on your machine I will send it to you as a PDF.


Kean 5 years ago

that was a very informative article. Thanks for this


RavenR 5 years ago

hi,i took out my old beissbarth w416 wheel balancer.it was a great machine but not up to date, so we packed it away. however after good several years while cleaning up we took it out and plugged it up.IT CAME ON,butnothing happens on the display when spinning the wheel,just 00.None of the arrow lights plus weight position light comes on.Power light is on plus lcd shows 00 but nothing else.Any ideas on what could be wrong?


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earnestshub 5 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

Hi Raven. I would be opening it up and looking for a loose wire, or to see if rodents have eaten the wiring . Nothing else springs to mind at this time.

After checking that everything is intact I would be looking for a repair manual.

I have little experience of the 416 as the ones that came to Australia had a poorly designed mounting for the arbour and constantly broke, so that was the only repairs I have done to one.

If I can find a wiring diagram or manual I can send it to you, but I don't hold out much hope for finding one.


RavenR 5 years ago

Thanks Earnest for your help. I gave up on this machine and will through it out. Its not worth the effort. Here in south africa the new coats corghi and hunter machines are prohibitely expensive around 6000 AUD. I am getting a great deal on a new 'BRIGHT' and 'MASTER' machines for 850 AUD. I have a medium size workshop and was thinking maybe this might be the way to go. Any comments on these new machines?


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earnestshub 5 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

No comment other than they will not last. There has to be a better way to go than that. What about buying a decent quality machine off Bob at Allstates in America? He will ship one out to you.


RavenR 5 years ago

thanks will try!


allistair 5 years ago

Would any one know where to get a lamp for a Repco 471.A balancer


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earnestshub 5 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

No, they are no longer available, but they still make a unit the same with different voltage, but I wire two of these together. Take it too your best radio parts or electronic store. The staff should be able to show you how to wire them together and wrap some nichrome wire around the outside for induction, Works as good as the old one!

Make sure the capacitor with it is working. It's mounted in the same place.


allistair 5 years ago

Thanks for that but do you know what type of lamps and voltage of lamps and do you just series them up or parallel them cheers


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earnestshub 5 years ago from Melbourne Australia Author

They are a high voltage tube the capacity should be written on the glass or the capacitor, or simply take the old one with you, as how they are wired will depend on what you can buy in the way of a replacement where you are. I will look up values or send you a manual if you like. I find it hard to keep it all in my head now that I no longer work with them.


allistair 5 years ago

Thanks that would be great


allistair 5 years ago

If you want to e-mail me that stuff my e-mail is

allistair@johnstoneelectrical.co.nz


Snowracer 4 years ago

Hi, i recently got a Beissbarth W447 tire balance machine for free. I do tho have major troubles finding out how to calibrate this machine? It does not have any displays so i can't relate to any of the methods of calibration of other models. It just have big turning knobs for the wheel size, width and distance from the machine. Any possibility anyone can help me out?


raj 4 years ago

sir,please provide me service manual of tyre changer monty1100 of hofmann and wheel balancer geodyna 3001 of hofmann,my mail id balu_mes47@rediffmail.com


Nigel 4 years ago

Hi, I am in Queensland, Australia & where I work has a Repco Computer Wheel Balancer model 471. The mechanic who works with me (an old Pom!) tried it out once & couldn't work out why the wheels weren't balancing properly & hasn't been used since. I was wondering if you could help me out please & also help me locate a manual for it please?


CHARLIE R. 4 years ago

I HAVE A JMC 4100 THAT ALSO JUST KEEPS RUNNING WHEN YOU TRY TO CALIBRATE. DID YOU EVER FIGURE OUT WHAT THE PROBLEM WAS ON THAT OTHER MACHINE WHEN IT WASN'T THE RELAYS.


CHARLIE R. 4 years ago

I ALSO TRIED THE F50 CODE AND IT CAME UP WITH A DASH MARK ON LEFT SIDE SCREEN AND A 259 ON THE OTHER SIDE. WHEN I ROTATED THE ARBER IT WOULD FLASH FROM 255 TO 259 ON RT SIDE AND DASH ON LFT SIDE WOULD JUST BLINK. MACHINE WAS GIVEN TO ME AND WAS JUST WANDERING IF ITS WORTH IT TO KEEP AND PURCHASE THE THINGS THAT ARE MISSING.


CHARLIE R. 4 years ago

I ALSO TRIED THE F50 CODE AND IT CAME UP WITH A DASH MARK ON LEFT SIDE SCREEN AND A 259 ON THE OTHER SIDE. WHEN I ROTATED THE ARBER IT WOULD FLASH FROM 255 TO 259 ON RT SIDE AND DASH ON LFT SIDE WOULD JUST BLINK. MACHINE WAS GIVEN TO ME AND WAS JUST WANDERING IF ITS WORTH IT TO KEEP AND PURCHASE THE THINGS THAT ARE MISSING.


Pete 4 years ago

Do you or anyone here have any comments on a Norton tire balancer? I found one that works ( balances ) but the brake doesn't. Is this a machine worth trying to fix?


olliehack 4 years ago

I have a repco 471 e. The eletrical contactor is not working think it got damp it is us. Any idea where i can get one.


jim s 4 years ago

hi just purchased a beissbarth 510.m the board seems to be dead any info would be great thanks jim


jim s 4 years ago

played with it got it to come on would you have an owner manaul for this and do you know if parts are out there i would like to change the board any help would be great thanks jim my email is smith 1399@verizon.net


flocar 4 years ago

I have just set up a Repco 471B. It is a 3 phase machine and I only have single phase power. I built a simple 1 to 3 phase convertor. But have run a separate lead to 240v for the computer.

Question 1 is the motor speed critical?

Question 2 do you have a manual for this machine.

Question 3 the location of the imbalance is a bit hard to read, it jumps a bit. Perhaps if I bolt the balancer down it will keep it steady?


ALF 4 years ago

Hi Earnest

I read your hub with interest,when I was an apprentice, where I worked we had a Repco 472 unit which I see you are also fond of,it seemed like everywhere I went years later had one of these units either working or in the corner,usually because they didn't know how to use it,I still think they are the most reliable, simple & accurate units ever built.

Last week I had an opportunity to buy a balancer for home it's Faip ED20 in going order, great,

but I had to take the other unit out the back with it & yes it's a 472 , my eyes lit up.

Here is my question firstly you mentioned you have a pdf manual for this machine ,please may I have /buy ? a copy & secondly would you have an operator manual for the faip,it works well,I know it has a calibrate feature similar to a Corghi but I cannot find anything on the web, however if I can get the 472 going (panel holding the circuit board has fallen braking the fuses & several wires off the board) things could change.

I appreciate anything you can do.

Regards

Alf Zambuto

Auckland New Zealand


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Detroitdiesel 3 years ago from Christchurch New Zealand

Alf, contact me trough this forum andI can email you a manual for the Repc 471 balancer along with the calibration procedure,

Regards Andrew


Mark 3 years ago

Hello, I have a coats 1004 and its a great machine. However I fired it up one day and when it went to brake, it keeps tripping the circuit breaker. I have not had this problem before. I pulled off the top and checked for any shorts in the wiring none found.


Thorsfar 3 years ago

Some great info. I recently picked up a Hofmann Geodyne 88-2, but it is a 3 phase machine and I only have 1 phase power at home. Do you know if there is any feasible way to convert the balancer to single phase operation? Or is it just a boat anchor. Thanks.


flocar 3 years ago

I built a single phase to 3 phase convertor for my Repco. It is fairly straight forward. The computer had a 240 volt connection as well as the 400 volt one. I connected the computer to a single phase plug. Then built the convertor and connected it to the motor. I had an electrician mate check it for safety. The motor was fine but the computer never worked properly. I am not sure but perhaps it was already faulty. I can email details of the convertor if you wish. The reason I wired the computer seperatly was I thought the converted 400 volts may not be clean.


thorsfar 3 years ago

That would be great. I have not found a wiring diagram for the 3 phase unit, but have seen 220 single phase diagrams. I was thinking the same thing, split out controls from motor as Hofmann transform incoming power to 18V to feed the control boards. Was thinking one could use an inverter to generate 3 phase from single phase. If you could share you details on converter it would be greatly appreciated. I'll see if I can use it on my unit. You can email to thorsfar@gmail.com. Thanks.


PRHolland 2 years ago

Can anyone help me

I am after a user manual and calibration instructions for a Repco 572 wheel balancer. I believe it is part of the same family of balancers as the 470 / 471 series so the instructions for them may be very close.

Thanks


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Detroitdiesel 2 years ago from Christchurch New Zealand

I have an operation manual for a 471 and calibration instructions, I think the model you are referring to has digital indicators?? However the calibration and plane separation could be similar if there are trim pots on the main board. If the calibration co-efficient' s are stored in a digital format in an Eprom then the Cal procedure will have to accessed and followed step by step by switching on the calibration function. I can't help you with that as I don't know how to switch between user and calibration. First thing to do is open the instrument and look at the main board, if you can see trim pots [hopefully they are labelled] then it should be easy using the Repco 471 manual, if there are no trim pots [just ICs] then you will need to ask around for some information from someone who used to service these machines. I may be able to help with someone that might know how these work as he is retired but his son's are now running the business. email me cnajackson@xtra.co.nz


flocar 2 years ago

Unfortunately the people that have the information about these Repco machines do not seem to look at this thread any more. My machine still sits waiting for some information that will allow me to either repair it or set it up. A manual or circuit or other info would be great. I need it to balance 3 stud wheels that the modern machines cannot do. In the mean time I have found a place that is still using this type of machine but they have no information on it. I have 14 cars with these three stud wheels and so would like my own balancer.


Alan 2 years ago

Hi. I need some help with a fmc 2500 I am getting a cal error. If I run f11 I get zeros on the displays. Does any one have a repair manual with test points on circuit board. Thanks al


flocar 2 years ago

Thanks to Detriotdesiel I have some info for my Repco 471. I will look at the machine soon.


Otto 2 years ago

Hi, I bought an old beissbarth (w426 from 1985). I have tried to find some manuals for this machine but haven't managed to find anything. The usage is clear to me except for one switch in the panel which I would need help with..please see the link. The machine in the link is not w426 but have the same switch.. http://i1242.photobucket.com/albums/gg538/Otto-79/...

Even calibrationprocedure would be interesting to know if anybody has the answer


Simo83 2 years ago

Hi, just wondering if you would have a wiring diagram for repco 472A wheel balancer, this machine is older than I am and left over at the workshop before i started so im bringing it back to life. After the rats were evicted and fixed the wiring that was still attached I have a couple more i need help with due to being completely chewed thru and disconnected, i would really appreciate any help I can get


Flocar 2 years ago

I emailed Dieseldetroit who said he would send the info for my machine but I never received it. In the mean time it has stopped doinging anything other than spin the wheels. Unfortunately it has been no use to me. I would still love the information so that perhaps I could still restore it.


Detroitdiesel 2 years ago

Hello Simo and Flocar, Give me your email address and I will send you an operators manual, I don.t have a wiring diagram but I do have the calibration procedure. all the parts are available from any electronic spares shop

Best regards


Detroitdiesel 2 years ago

Flocar I wasn't aware you did not receive my email about the operators manual, you should have emailed me straight away and I would resend it for you. The calibration precedure is straight forward and is essential to make these old timers work well. My old Repco is the best balancer on the planet and is extremely accurate and I can balance wheels up to 20 inches and beyond by just putting on less weight than what the instrument asks for [Its only Mass x Radius]


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Detroitdiesel 2 years ago from Christchurch New Zealand

This link will take you to the Repco 471 Wheel Balancer machine operators manual and the Calibration procedure, for anyone who wants the information on the Worlds best wheel balancer I dont have a "Circuit Diagram" but any electronics service person could easily repair any part of this circuit as all parts can be replaced and sourced from someone like RS Elctronics.The Google Docs preview wont show all of the numbers in one of the Diagrams [I dont know why?] so you will have to download the word document by clicking on the "Down load tab [next to the print icon] when you have it open in preview, to preview click on the page once. I hope this helps anyone who is looking. https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0BxYSyVSCNU...


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Detroitdiesel 2 years ago from Christchurch New Zealand

..Just tested the link and it works OK, to see the numbers on the drawing of the wheel unbalance in the Calibration document you have to down load and then open the downloaded copy on the bottom of your screen. Im not sure why it doesn't display this diagram in the preview mode.


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Detroitdiesel 2 years ago from Christchurch New Zealand

Please exercise all safety precautions when working around wheel balancing equipment as the operator is exposed to rotating wheels and equipment that can cause serious injury, and no attempt should be made to calibrate the machine without a registered / Licensed Electrician present when rear cover is removed from machine. As there are terminals at Phase Potential!

The above link to information is used entirely at your own risk when servicing Repco 471 wheel balancing machines.


Flocar 2 years ago

Thanks very much Detroitdiesel These are perfect. Yes a circuit would be nice but these two documents are a great start. Sorry I never got in touch before but was probably caught up in other activities. I have just moved into a new 21m x 9m workshop so once I get settled again I will start playing with my balancer again. I certainly have wheels that need it.


Simo83 2 years ago

Thanx so much for that link to operators manual, been a great help, and for flocar if u want I have some pics of the wiring mostly intact beside from a few rat removed wires, it might help, if so send me an email to simeon_83@hotmail.com and ill send u what I have


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Detroitdiesel 2 years ago from Christchurch New Zealand

A common problem with Repco 471 wheel balancers are the operator can't see the "Strobe Flash" clearly, In this case remove the instrument and top cover, [you will have to remove the rear cover to unplug the harness] and clean inside the plastic drum with the numbers printed on the outside. It gets dust off the drive belt building up inside the opaque plastic drum.

[Make sure the power has been off for half an hour] then clean the glass of the Xenon flash tube, [I used CRC brakecleen] Caution: Bear in mind there is a capacitor in the circuit that can still have a charge in it to trigger the flash tube, once it is leaked out or discharged it is safe.


Flocar 2 years ago

Simo83. Think my wiring is all intact. But thanks for the offer. Thanks for the tip DD. I imagine that the electrolytic capicitors might be gone. It is apparently a common problem with old electronics. When I first cranked it up it had a constant flash regardless and gave no settings. Now I get no flash at all. Although the instructions do say wait 5 minutes before use after turning on which I don't think I've done. But I imagine that is only to stabilize it prior to use.


Jim.K 23 months ago

Hi Detroitdiesel, hoping you may be able to help me. I bought a Beissbarth Microtec 840 wheel balancer and have downloaded a free instruction manual and I am not sure about the calibration procedure. The first thing is I don't have the "Sample Weight For Setting" that would have been one of the "Accessories Supplied" when this balancer was originally pruchased.

Do I need this for calibration, if so could I machine one up, or would you know where I cfould buy one from.

Jim

jimkennedy770@hotmail.com


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Detroitdiesel 23 months ago from Christchurch New Zealand

Hi Jim I responded via your email, a little long winded but this procedure should work if you can't find the original calibration mass.

Cheers Andrew


Andrew @ PES 23 months ago

Hi, by way of into, I am an electronics tech 20+years, and have worked on many of the machines mentioned, SEQld area. I do have some service manuals also. Those still interested I do have circuits for Repco 472. Other Beissbarth manuals (510 etc). msg me at dustooff@gmail.com. My reason for finding this page was in search of service codes for Hoffmann Geodyna 3001, CS0, CS1, ... C99. One machine I had little to do with in the past, but still would be used in a dealer w/s if I can get it to calibrate. I've scanned through some of the codes and made sense of them in relation to sensors on the machine, but not been able to find actual cal entries.

cheers

Andrew


flocar 23 months ago

Andrew have tried your email address several times and it bounces back. I am very interested in a circuit for the 472. Thank you for the offer. I also live in SE QLD. I have another question. I would like to change the 3 phase motor for a single phase motor. The three phase seems to run at a low rpm. What speed does the single phase motor run at? The same I guess but it doesn't seem a standard rpm. Rob


Andrew 23 months ago

Rob,

that email dustooff@gmail.com does work, Detroitdiesel has managed to get through to me using it. Can you post up your email, and I will pm a link to the manual. The only clue to motor RPM is on page 4, saying models 470/1 are 600RPM and 472 is 400RPM. I am missing page 18 which is the electrical diagram, which may indicate motor specs.

Andrew


flocar 23 months ago

Thanks Andrew.

raringe@bigpond.com

Rob


Detroitdiesel 23 months ago

Hi Flocar, Andrew has a circuit diagram for the Repco balancers which I was able to download a copy. If you email Andrew @pe$ he will give you the link to download the service manual and calibration procedure.

I can't see any reason why a single phase motor would not work other than it might take some "Trickery" to get Dynamic Braking to stop the wheel tyre after balancing. Talk to an electrician. My email address is still the same I don't know why it is bouncing on you???

Anyway Andrew has been great with info as he used to service these machines. I'm sure he can answer any questions better than I can. Cheers [Detroit diesel the other Andrew]


Sayonara 21 months ago

Hey Shawn,I should warn you that I haven't curoigfned a multi-master MySQL configuration yet, just multi-slaves, and everything about your topic is based on the dox.You didn't mention a particular MySQL version, so I'll refer to 4.1. There are a couple of issues with the load balancer setup, including when one (or more) of the slaves has more data than the secondary master (unlikely, yet not impossible). The closest you can come to no downtime fixing things and bringing DB's up-to-date manually is to have shared storage between the two masters, the second one being on standby (of course, this means no replication ring). When primary fails, you start up MySQL on the secondary with the same server-id and the setup takes off just as if nothing happened. This can even be scripted, depending on the operating system you use.I know, MySQL is a pain the butt when it comes to true HA, and it seems that only in 5.1 things are beginning to go in the right direction. Till then


Thitar 21 months ago

Your current soiutlon seems like the best bet actually except I would change the domain addresses to IPs for the load balancers. Clients currently have to resolve the IP on every connection or their driver/OS will manage caching of the IP. Either way this adds DNS overhead and connection behavior can be wonky from one driver to the next. With IP we simply have to plan for connection failure. If we fail we move on to the next IP. Overall I would suspect that there would be better performance from the client perspective by 10 100ms depending on network latency by removing the DNS step. On Amazon the soiutlon would be to give clients Elastic IPs to connect to. I forget if Rackspace has an elastic IP equivalent.


Marco Lamarre 10 months ago

Sir, would it be possible to tell me where i can find service manual and all the info for fmc 4100 sc.

email : marco.lamarre@gmail.com


nicolas 5 months ago

Hello is there anyone who can tell me whats wrong with ny beidsbarth w416 when it loses position where the green light is supposed to light up? Spin it a Little by hand and the green light lights up in a different position...

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