Age Discrimination in the Workplace and Forced Retirement

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My Forced Retirement

For more than two years, my school employer in Thailand had been trying to terminate me with forced retirement. In a January, 2013, meeting with my supervisor, I was politely informed that my teaching contract for the new school year beginning in May of 2013 was not being renewed. The sole reason for this was my age. Although I was 68, my health was still good, and I hadn't missed one day of teaching during the past year. Furthermore, my mind was still very sharp, and teachers and students alike regarded me as one of the better teachers at school. Upon appealing this unfair action to the school's principal, I was given a contract for the upcoming school year but with a frozen salary, and the stipulation that both the school and I mutually agreed on my retirement in April of 2014.

Why, then, was my school so intent on forcing me into retirement? The answer lies in age discrimination or ageism which I will examine in this hub. After defining age discrimination and forced retirement, I will present the pros and cons of age discrimination and forced retirement in the workplace.

Age Discrimination at Work

What is Age Discrimination?

Age discrimination or ageism may be defined as treating a person less favorably because of age. This is often reflected in the hiring, promotion, and forced retirement policies of businesses and governments. Whenever they can get away with it through loop holes in the law, businesses and the government will hire younger people in preference to senior citizens. More younger people than older persons will be promoted as seen during my career with the government.

Forced Into Retirement - What You Should Do

What Is Forced Retirement?

Forced retirement is the involuntary ending of a person's career usually through age discrimination. This can happen to an individual who is still in his or her 50s when a company is downsizing. Under the guise of early retirement with a few benefits, an employee who is still productive is coerced into a forced retirement. Forced retirement can also happen to an older employee in his or her 60s. This is done by making the workplace job so unpleasant that the employee eventually gives up and accepts a forced retirement.

Arguments for Age Discrimination and Forced Retirement

What, then, are the arguments for and justifying age discrimination and forced retirement in the workplace?

1. The Employer Saves Money

It is a fact that older employees receive a much higher salary than younger employees. In the case of my employment at a school, wouldn't it make good business sense to replace my salary with that of a younger teacher who will earn half as much as me?

If a person is working for a business or government in the United States, the employer will contribute much less to retirement benefits for a younger employee than for an older one.

2. The Older Employee Is Less Productive

Some people have made the case that a worker's productivity declines rapidly after the age of 65. This is many times reflected in the increased number of sick days taken, and the slower reaction time both mentally and physically of older workers. Older workers are often challenged by new technology and find it very difficult to learn new office computer applications such as Microsoft Power Point, Excel, Word, and Office. In competitive professional sports such as baseball, basketball, and football, the older athlete most times in his mid or late 30s is not as good as the younger athlete.

3. More Opportunities For Younger People

If a company or the government has too many older employees, it will not be able to hire new blood in the form of younger employees. It is a fact that younger employees are more energetic and generally more able to adapt to change than the older. By examining what is reflected in today's media, it is, in fact, a young person's world. Trends and changes in business and society are initiated by younger people. In professional sports, most people recognize that it is a young person's sport. Consequently, teams are built around the younger athletes rather than the older.


Age Discrimination in the Workplace

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Arguments Against Age Discrimination and Forced Retirement

Now for the arguments against age discrimination and forced retirement which are as follow.

1. It's Unfair and Against Most Laws

In many western countries, age discrimination and forced retirement is against most laws. In Thailand, forced retirement is allowed; however, according to labor laws, the employee being forced to retire from his job is entitled to severance pay. I personally feel that if an older employee is in good health, and has a good flexible mind to his or her job, it is unfair to force retirement.

2. The Older Employee Has a Wealth of Experience

Older employees have a wealth of experience to contribute to businesses and the government. The United States persuades some of its older employees to accept an early retirement by promising them part-time contractor jobs after they retire. As a part-time contract worker, the retirement annuitant gets to mentor junior employees, and the government saves money by not keeping the older employees on as full-time workers. Unless businesses agree to keep their experienced older employees on as part-time workers and mentors, they would be foolish to let this wealth of knowledge and experience go.

3. Older Employees Have Better Work Habits and Loyalty than Junior Employees

Many older employees have much better work habits than younger workers. A senior dedicated employee will not miss much work time and will always be on time. Because the senior is not interested in upper mobility and only looking out for himself or herself, he will be more dedicated to his job with the government or a business.

It is completely understandable why my school forced me to retire with age discrimination. The school could save money, and maybe the school and students' parents prefered seeing a younger and more handsome face in the classroom. Just the same, I challenge the school to hire a younger teacher who is more dedicated, more experienced, and a better teacher than me.



© 2013 Paul Richard Kuehn

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Doodlehead 3 years ago from Northern California

Paul-this is very interesting. I wondered whether there was age-discrimination there in Thailand and speculated that perhaps it would not be as prevalent there as here thinking that that part of the world hailed seniors generally with great respect.

On another note, I spoke with a friend of mine in Los Angeles who referred to her friend who is still teaching in the LA public schools at the age of 81.

The thing I've noticed is that when an employer wants to get rid of someone it can be "anything". They will make up anything to fit their needs.

Who knows...maybe they want your spot for their favorite neice or nephew or maybe they want your classroom because they like the view out the window or the shelves on the wall.

Do you think you wiil find another school there that will hire you at the ae of 68? What is your opinion?


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kidscrafts 3 years ago from Ottawa, Canada

Sorry to hear that you are forced to retire. It's hard to find good teachers that like their job. I find also that for any job when you are getting older but still enjoy what you do to can bring so much to the next generation!

I hope that you can find something that you like and sustains you! The best of luck!


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MsDora 3 years ago from The Caribbean

Forced retirement is happening here in the Caribbean too. Workers who still have much to offer are pushed aside for the more glamorous and often less capable. On the other hand, the young say they need their turn. Please do not worry too much. Thanks for sharing.


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bdegiulio 3 years ago from Massachusetts

How unfortunate Paul. It's a shame that some countries don't recognize the benefits of older employees. I agree with you in that we are wiser, more dedicated and have much too offer. Hopefully things work out for you over there. Best of luck.


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Billrrrr 3 years ago from Cape Cod

Hi Paul. I am very sorry to hear of this. I went through it 15 years ago when I was just 55. I never worked a real job again. I earn my keep by sales demonstrations in wholesale clubs, supermarkets, fairs and flea markets. I am very good at what I do but it's not what I was originally trained for and not what I did for over 30 years. I know from reading your work how active and young thinking you are. This reminds me of my time in Huntington Prep school in Boston in the 1960s. They had a policy that all instructors had to retire at 65. We had a teacher so brilliant, so loved and so good that when he turned 65 the administration faced a near riot by students. They did just what your people offered. They said he could teach one more year, but then had to agree to retire. I was only 17 or 18 years old but was struck by the unfairness of it. I wish you the very best Paul and I somehow think you are going to win this.


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Paul Kuehn 3 years ago from Udorn City, Thailand Author

Doodlehead,

Thanks for reading my hub and I really appreciate your comments. You're correct that when an employer wants to get rid of someone they will find any reason. I think it's because they want to hire a younger person whom they only have to pay half as much. When I leave my school a year from now, I will be 69. Yes, I'm confident I can get another job, but the pay will be much less.


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Paul Kuehn 3 years ago from Udorn City, Thailand Author

kidscraft,

Thanks for reading this hub. I really appreciate your comments and your good wishes. I will definitely find something I like after I retire from my school, and I'm sure that it will sustain me.


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Paul Kuehn 3 years ago from Udorn City, Thailand Author

MsDora,

Thank you very much for reading this hub. I really appreciate all of your nice insightful comments. No, I won't worry because of the loss of income. It's just upsetting when people say that 68 is too old to be teaching.


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Paul Kuehn 3 years ago from Udorn City, Thailand Author

bdegiulio,

Thanks for stopping by and your great comments and best wishes. I appreciate them.


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Paul Kuehn 3 years ago from Udorn City, Thailand Author

Bill,

I really appreciate your great encouraging comments and hearing your experiences in this matter. There are some private commercial schools in Bangkok that won't hire any foreign teacher over the age of 40!


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Lizam1 3 years ago from Victoria BC

I hopre you can find an alternative place to teach because it sounds as if you are of great value to the students. How shortsighted of the school. If only employers would realize they make more money when they have good employees.


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Paul Kuehn 3 years ago from Udorn City, Thailand Author

Lizam1,

Thanks for reading my hub. I really appreciate your comments and encouragement. Hopefully, I will have a better alternative place to teach one year from now.


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fpherj48 3 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

Paul....Of course the issue of age discrimination and/or forced retirement, is an unacceptable one and not easily dealt with. I am sorry that you've found yourself, having to be concerned with the games that are played. All too often, as is your opinion, the reason is "money."

A bitter pill. It leaves little else to think, than for all of your years, dedication and achievements....you have merely, out-earned the comfort zone of administration.

I applaud you for at least taking a stand against this move. Despite the eventual outcome, Paul, I wish you luck and am sure you will find ways to make the best of this. Bless you.


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Paul Kuehn 3 years ago from Udorn City, Thailand Author

Paula,

Thank you very much for reading this hub and your very encouraging comments. Believe me, I will definitely find a way to make the best of my situation next year.


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Emmanuel Kariuki 3 years ago from Nairobi, Kenya

Age discrimination should be treated like all other forms of discriminations when no other reason but age alone exists. Unfortunately, in a country like Kenya, the vice is state sanctioned. Until recently, public servants were required to retire at 55. This has now been pushed to 6o. Presumably this is designed to create employment for the youth. Very myopic if you ask me when you consider that many parents in their 50's have dependants in college. The private sector, though not obliged to follow the government example, uses it as an excuse to discriminate against some employees by forcibly retiring them early while retaining others well into their 80's. I hope someone about to discriminate an employee on account of age is reading this. Shared!


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Paul Kuehn 3 years ago from Udorn City, Thailand Author

Emmanuel,

Thank you very much for reading this hub and your comments are much appreciated. Although severance pay is given to employees in Thailand who are forcibly retired, it still can not compensate for the years a person might be able to work productively without this vice. Thank you very much for sharing this hub.


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Brett.Tesol 3 years ago from Somewhere in Asia

As an EFL teacher, this is something that concerns me. I realised early on that I will need to have another income as well, as work contracts are not only unpredicatble, but also age and experience actually become barriers. For example, many schools in Asia would rather have someone under 40 and with little experience. This is often for 'image' and because low experience means a lower salary. It is something I hope changes soon, as many teachers far older are REALLY good teachers, but just can't find a good job because of their age and slightly higher salaries. Yet, if employed are more likely to stay and be loyal to the company.

Sharing, pinning, tweeting, up and interesting. I hope that you land an even better job after this one, but it is a real shame that you have to move on.


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kingkos 3 years ago

For me I don't Discriminate other people at work. If you see A Senior citizen in your work place. Just feel him/her like your elder or grandparents. Peole I hate is the one who misjudge other people. Great hub have a nice day.


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Paul Kuehn 3 years ago from Udorn City, Thailand Author

Brett,

Thanks for reading this hub. Your comments about age discrimination against older EFL teachers in many schools in Asia are very true. Most schools in Taiwan won't hire teachers who are over 55 or 60. I'm quite certain that there is a private school in Thailand called Wall Street English that won't hire anyone over 40. When I finally leave my school around March or April of 2014, I will be a few months shy of my 70th birthday. I know I'll still have the teaching bug, but hopefully I can find some consultant work or maybe even do better in my online writing. Thanks for your good wishes, and I really appreciate you sharing, pinning, and tweeting this article.


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Paul Kuehn 3 years ago from Udorn City, Thailand Author

kingkos,

Thank you very much for reading my hub. I really appreciate your comments.


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Tealparadise 3 years ago

Paul - that situation sounds very frustrating. I cannot imagine being pushed out of a career where you have experience and friendships. All for money! Doesn't the school consider how the quality of teaching is affected by the "revolving door" method of hiring? I'm sorry this is happening & wish you the best of luck.


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Paul Kuehn 3 years ago from Udorn City, Thailand Author

Tealparadise,

Thank you very much for stopping by and your great words of encouragement. Unfortunately, in Thailand the schools are looking for young handsome guys to entertain students. I guess your quality of teaching doesn't have to be very good in a situation like that. Futhermore, the supply of EFL teachers here greatly exceeds the demand, so EFL teachers are a "dime a dozen."


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Au fait 3 years ago from North Texas

Here in the states age discrimination is illegal, but of course proving that is what's happening is another matter. Agree that older experienced workers have much more to offer, but employers don't want to pay for it. Mediocre will do if superior quality costs more. In fact education is often unappreciated here in general.

Have you considered teaching Thai in one of our universities or community colleges over here? I have no idea what the pay difference would be, but I can imagine your knowledge of the Thai language and culture would be greatly appreciated and valued.

This hub sheds light on a common problem that shouldn't be happening at all. Voted up, and will share!


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Paul Kuehn 3 years ago from Udorn City, Thailand Author

Au fait,

Thanks for reading and commenting on this hub. I have not considered teaching Thai in the states, because as a non-native speaker I am not that fluent. Teaching English as a Second Language would be a consideration, but I've read and heard that most community colleges want someone who has a Masters in ESL which I don't have. Thanks for the votes and sharing this hub.


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TIMETRAVELER2 3 years ago

Paul: First let me say that I am very sorry that this is happening to you. You and I are about the same age, and I also was a teacher...however I had to retire early due to health problems so never faced the type of issue with which you are now dealing. If it makes you feel any better, I have seen this type of thing happen again and again in all sorts of professions to good, capable, loyal people. It is the result of misguided attitudes and ignorance and, unfortunately, is pervasive and cruel. Things like this are what make people give up on being loyal to employers. They wonder why people steal from them, use up all of their sick leave and vacation time and are apathetic on the job. Too bad they don't realize that others see what they do and resent them for it. The result is that we all suffer because the quality of work and service by employees declines. Be happy to rid yourself of your ignorant employers and go out and enjoy your newfound freedom next year. You are better off without them, believe me!


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Paul Kuehn 3 years ago from Udorn City, Thailand Author

timetraveler,

Thank you very much for reading this hub, and I appreciate your very thoughtful and inspiring words.


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KatNance 3 years ago

. It is the result of misguided attitudes and ignorance and, unfortunately, is pervasive and cruel. Things like this are what make people give up on being loyal to everyone


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Paul Kuehn 3 years ago from Udorn City, Thailand Author

KatNance,

Thanks for reading this article. I appreciate your comments which are very well stated.


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bn9900 3 years ago from Alger WA

Paul I am sorry to hear about your forced retirement, Might I suggest that there are some industries that should have a forced retirement, ones that operate heavy machinery, or are physically demanding, neither of which is Teaching. I wish you the best, and you never know when one door closes another will open.


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Careermommy 3 years ago from Los Angeles, CA

Paul, this is disheartening, but true. I'm sorry to hear about your situation. I think the older workers have so much knowledge to offer the younger ones, but oftentimes upper management has another agenda in mind. My co-worker, who works in sales with me, is in his early 60's and he is just a wealth of information. Because sales is so temperamental, he found himself dusting off his resume and making it appear as if he were younger, so potential employers would not discriminate based on his "older" resume. Age discrimination is so prevalent, and employers can say or slant things however they choose if they're targeting someone to get rid of. Thank you for sharing your story.


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Paul Kuehn 3 years ago from Udorn City, Thailand Author

Careermommy,

Thanks for reading this hub. I greatly appreciate your very interesting comments.


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rajan jolly 3 years ago from From Mumbai, presently in Jalandhar,INDIA.

I agree, Paul. The older employee is made to retire most of the time because the business wants to save money. This is an interesting read and I hope you get an extension after 2014.

Voted up and interesting and pinned and shared here and on FB.


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mary615 3 years ago from Florida

Your Hub really "hit home" with me. I was a Med. Tech. at a local hospital for 18 years and was forced into retirement. They did the same thing with lots of nurses, too. We were costing them too much to keep us: our salaries had topped out and the cost of benefits too high for them. I had been a loyal employee for all those years. I took it very personally as I'm sure you did, too.

Sure, there are laws against this, but they can "find" reasons for their actions and get away with it.

Voted UP, and shared.


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mperrottet 3 years ago from Pennsauken, NJ

I just read you article about teacher ethics, and think that it's such a shame that your school will be losing a person who cares so deeply about the students. Age discrimination is wrong in any profession, but it happens all of the time. Voting this up and interesting.


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Thundermama 3 years ago from Canada

Very well written hub addressing a topic topic that we will all encounter sooner or later. Good for you for taking a stand with your employer. It is a sad state of affairs when the bottom line becomes more of a priority then competence and loyalty.


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Don Bobbitt 3 years ago from Ruskin Florida

Excellent, Excellent, Excellent!

I watched this happen to so many of my peers during my career that I actually made my retirement plans based on this happening to me.

Corporations are so slick with the ways they implement age discrimination that it should be an embarrassment to everyone.

An old quote I heard one night over a beer with an HR rep was; "Face it, if you could buy 2 twenty-two year old engineers for the price of one fifty-five year old, wouldn't you do it?"

Good article!

DON


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catmalone 3 years ago

I guess this hub struck a nerve in me. Paul I have seen this happen to a many of people reaching the age of retirement and are force to retire which is not right. It’s not over until you say its over that's how I fill about it. As long as you’re still healthy and have the energy to continue to do what you love to do, you shouldn’t be force out at any age, especially if you still have something to offer.

Come age, come wisdom and a lot more knowledge. The people who have been in these companies for the longest are the ones who built the strong foundation in these companies through their commitments, hard work and their willingness to make a difference in the work force and the world.

It’s all a number game in the corporate world today, and it sad. I have seen individuals who have been on their jobs for 25-30 years that where the backbone to these companies, love what they did and kelp the company running smoothly. These individuals where replace by younger individuals just to save money for the company with less knowledge and productivity, therefore these companies in up going downhill in the long run.

I’m only 50 years old and I already been force out of my job of 10 years. I was a dedicated worker, never missed any days of work and got along with everyone. My old boss was fired of 25 years of dedication to this company due to the restructuring of this company. By the way that’s another term they use for letting people go. But anyway, I get this new boss they hired who didn’t know anything about his/her job and responsibilities who would ask me how to do their job. I freely assist this person not realizing they where setting me up to fail. How can someone of only 4 months come in to an organization and give evaluations, who know nothing of you and your work ethnics. To make a long story short this person of 4 months of being there stated that I didn’t know how to do my job and started writing me up on several things. During my time with this company before this person came I never had any write ups, warning and complaints about anything. When I say this is a number game I mean it. Management and personal work hand to hand when it comes to downsizing employees and they do what they have to do to dismiss you even it they have to lie about it.

It doesn’t matter how long you been with a company, how much knowledge you have, they just see numbers. Seniority on a job is a thing of the pass.

This was a great hub! Thanks


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Paul Kuehn 3 years ago from Udorn City, Thailand Author

Rajan,

Thanks for reading this hub, and I really appreciate your encouraging comments A special thanks for pinning and sharing this hub on Hubpages and on FB.


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Paul Kuehn 3 years ago from Udorn City, Thailand Author

Mary,

Thank you very much for reading this hub and I really appreciate your insightful comments. Yes, it seems that management can always find ways to get away with their actions. I am also very sad to hear about your forced retirement experience. I really appreciate you sharing this hub.


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Paul Kuehn 3 years ago from Udorn City, Thailand Author

mperrottet,

Thank you very much for reading my two hubs. I really appreciate your comments and empathy. My students and I will both miss each other, but we will both survive. Thanks for voting this hub up.


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Paul Kuehn 3 years ago from Udorn City, Thailand Author

Thundermama,

Thank you very much for taking the time to read this hub. I really appreciate your insightful comments, and I'm happy you liked this article.


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Paul Kuehn 3 years ago from Udorn City, Thailand Author

Don,

Thank you very much for reading and commenting on this hub. The comment you cite by the HR rep is so very true in the world today! It seems that you find this situation in all fields, especially when a team or corporation is trying to rebuild or reinvent itself. I'm very happy you liked this hub.


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Paul Kuehn 3 years ago from Udorn City, Thailand Author

catmalone,

I'm very sorry to hear the story of how you were forced to retire. Were you able to get any severance pay from the company? Yes, seniority and loyalty to the company seems to be a thing of the past. I found this out when working for the federal government. Because of my age and sex, I was continuously passed over for promotion for 20 years before I finally retired. Isn't this also a kind of forced retirement? Thanks again for reading my hub and I really appreciate your comments.


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MarleneB 3 years ago from Northern California, USA

I truly empathize with you. My husband and I were forced into retirement when the company we both worked for decided to "right size" by cancelling all contracted personnel in their department. This is a department where 75% of the people who worked there were contracted (including my husband and me). We all received notice the same day at the same time. All of us were over the age of 50 and generating a very decent income as all of us had been in the industry for a minimum of 30 years. My husband being one who was in the industry for almost 40 years. The day we all left, I received an email from a young man who said he was hired to work in the same department. The company was paying him a salary that was barely over minimum wage. He was living at home with his parents, so he didn't need to earn much more than that. The department went on to hire more young people who were just out of college and no experience. I do believe my husband and I were victims of age discrimination. The department is now filled with a bunch of twenty-somethings. Young, hip people. Incidentally, the young man who sent the email to me also sent a follow-up email stating that he has since left the company. He said all of those young people the company hired lacked all kinds of experience and they were actually making his job a nightmare.

My husband and I were empty-nesters at the time of our unemployment. So, our household had zero income. We were desperate to find a job but employers were only looking for young people. Anyone over the age of 50 knows this to be true. So, we were forced to retire early. It is truly a shame what's happening in the work environment. Experienced people being forced to give way to inexperienced people will surely be detrimental to society in one way or another.


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Paul Kuehn 3 years ago from Udorn City, Thailand Author

MarleneB,

Thank you very much for reading and commenting on this hub. Having read your story, I also emphatize with you, Marlene. Anyone who loses their job before they receive any kind of retirement pension are really hurting. Hopefully, there will be a way for older people to be gainfully employed with enough income for self-support.


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my_girl_sara 3 years ago from Georgia

Very nice, super honest hub! This is the reason I am training for a job that won't fire me when I get older. I am in school to become an actuary. It's one of the few professions that want people with more experience, wisdom and age. Plus, it's a difficult and specialized job so not many people can do it.

Hope you can support yourself through your retirement since you appear very young still.


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Paul Kuehn 3 years ago from Udorn City, Thailand Author

my_girl_sara,

Thank you very much for your favorable comments. Good luck and success in your school training to become an actuary. What exactly does an actuary do? I definitely will be able to support myself and keep busy doing things I love after I retire next April. Thanks for the age compliment, but I am not as young as you think.


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dahoglund 3 years ago from Wisconsin Rapids

I haven't seen much of this in my own work but I have known people, on of them a cousin, who were "laid off' before they became eligible for pensions. My son recently found out that once one get to the age of forty, it is harder to find jobs. Actually, A friend of mine went in the Army and went to college. He was 26 years old and he said he got turned down for jobs because he was too old. That was in the 1960s. voted up and interesting.shared with followers and like on facebook.


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Au fait 3 years ago from North Texas

I'm going to share this article with my followers again because I think it is so excellent. Discrimination in the workplace for any reason is one of my pet peeves, but it really rankles when it involves sexism or agism.


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Paul Kuehn 3 years ago from Udorn City, Thailand Author

Don,

Thank you for your very interesting comments. I'm glad you liked this hub, and I greatly appreciate you sharing it with your followers and liking it on Facebook.


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Paul Kuehn 3 years ago from Udorn City, Thailand Author

Au fait,

Thank you very much for sharing this hub again with your followers. I agree that sexism and agism are the worst kinds of discrimination.


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SidKemp 3 years ago from Boca Raton, Florida (near Miami and Palm Beach)

Wow! I really admire your ability to present both sides of an issue where you are personally suffering from unjust (and perhaps illegal) treatment. You're the kind of employee I'd want to keep on - at any age! Votes up, interesting, and awesome!


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Paul Kuehn 3 years ago from Udorn City, Thailand Author

Sid,

Thank you so much for the very encouraging and supportive comments. I appreciate you voting this hub up and finding it awesome!


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Peggy W 3 years ago from Houston, Texas

This happened to my husband and others his age (at the time he was in his 50's) when because of a hostile takeover in the paper industry companies were merged and many jobs were lost. Guess who lost them? All the older experienced workers. Many younger ones who were less experienced and who got the jobs were only there a few years before they moved on or were let go. Such a shame! Yes...age discrimination exists despite the laws in this country. Sorry for your dilemma! Up, useful, sharing and pinning.


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Paul Kuehn 3 years ago from Udorn City, Thailand Author

Peggy,

I appreciate you reading and adding your great insightful comments to this hub. It's a shame your husband was forced into retirement in his 50's Thanks for your empathy, but I'm sure I will survive and find other meaningful work if I want it next year. Thank you very much for sharing and pinning this hub.


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alphagirl 3 years ago from USA

I have experienced this and I think you will have to start your own business. As your own boss you make the rules and you fire yourself. The only problem is start-up capital and health insurance. Not sure what your circumstances are. I haven't been writing here lately, been busy with other things, one is trying to find a spot to open a business for a men's salon. It isn't easy and I finding the right space is work. I am 51. We are too young to retire yet too old by some standards. Be sure to color your hair professionally to cover grey. It can give you 10 years, especially if you are being interviewed by a young person. Good luck. I know your pain.


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Paul Kuehn 3 years ago from Udorn City, Thailand Author

alphagirl,

Thank you for reading this hub and your great comments. Yes, if you have your own business, you don't have to worry about other people forcing you to retire. At my age now, I really don't want to be interviewed by a younger person.


Big E 14 months ago

Paul,

I think that black skin is very good for protection in the situation you just named. In fact I think a black slacker has more protection than a white hard worker.

I think that when I tell some people that I want to be black to reduce my chances of getting fired they think I want to be a slacker. Not true. Your situation is a good example of why I want to be black. You have much more protection from a situation like that if you are black.

Being a black man does not guarantee you will not get screwed over it just gives you much more protection. Black skin is like an insurance policy.


Big E 14 months ago

Paul,

More so if the company wanted you to quit and they started to treat you like crap. Black skin would protect you. If you was a good black employee and got along with all your coworkers and students and they tried to fire you and you called human resources or somebody like that they would fight harder for you if you were black and well liked.

Black skin does not protect you from getting transferred to another school or location. You can still get your hours cut in retail. But if you are a full times veteran employee black skin is pretty solid protection.


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Paul Kuehn 14 months ago from Udorn City, Thailand Author

Thank you very much for your comments. I appreciate them.

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