Cable Contractors Fight Back

Throughout the country unfair labor practices law suits are popping up everywhere. Same is true in central Florida. In the Tampa Bay area, cable contractors decided to fight back as well. I myself are one of them. Due to our economic struggle, these companies feel that they can bully their "employees" around. For fear they won't find other work in today's job market. Problem is, the "employees" were misclassified as contractors. When in actuality they definitely were not. And are in fact entitled to benefits and overtime pay. There is currently a case being filed against Knight Enterprises and Brighthouse Networks for these issues. Knight Enterprises higher-ups are scrambling to get affairs in order. By doing things like tearing down the training facility and trying to get installers to go on camera to say they are contractors of their own free will and choose to do so. Which just further proves how shady of an operation they have going on there.

I was set an example of because of my outspoken nature. Please, I love A good fight. They would no longer allow me to work there as a technician after I lost my drivers license. Which didn't prevent me from doing my duties. Before they came up with a new rule that every technician had to be able to be a stand alone tech due to "liability issues", I was able to team up with other techs. Until I spoke up in a meeting about how unfair we were being treated and asking for reasons why they decided to cut our pay by about a third. Or why they were charging us back a hundred dollars every time they decided that one of our jobs didn't completely meet quality control standards. We had no chances to dispute the claims or repair them ourselves. Instead they just took our money out of our paychecks and pretty much told us that if we didn't like it that we could quit. They would also charge us three to five times more for issued equipment that got lost than they would charge the customers for the same equipment. That would be deducted from our checks as well. With no option to dispute. For instance, the same high definition digital video recorder that would cost a cable subscriber $600, we would be charged $2500. Or a high speed cable modem, their cost is $55 while ours was $500.

So it seems some straw finally broke that camels back and here we are battling it out with lawyers. Which I'm not a big fan of. I'd much rather settle it with a pair of boxing gloves and a hefty compensation from the owner when I beat him like he stole something. Because he has been for years. But we are not putting up with it anymore. By the time its said and done, he could stand to lose upwards of $5 million. Not to mention tarnishing their reputations quite a bit. So I urge any wrongfully let go or mistreated technician who worked for the pinellas county branch in the last few years, to opt-in on this suit. What do you have to lose?

Comments 83 comments

Evan 6 years ago

I just left Knight's and They "stole" my last paycheck of almost $600. Where and when that's all I need to know


Lisa 6 years ago

My husband and I both worked for Knights in Pinellas and everything that you say is true. We would get paychecks for 500 when they were suppose to be 1200 because of chargebacks. Im glad someone finally stood up to them. Don't be fooled by other cable companies, they are doing the same thing. My husband worked for another cable contractor and they made him a supervisor but only gave him 10% of the draw, which due to the economy wasn't much.


Anonymous 6 years ago

Well Knight Sounds Bad but what about TELSTAR Communications They do the same thing to me and the charge-backs are not of Failed QC but paperwork when its their fault that the damn PDA they give me does not work correctly. WTF what can i Do about being wrongly done? Now I hear Knight is moving in a little but now that I have read this i think that I might need to find a different Profession


slave2cable 6 years ago

i work for knight now.There are many who want to join the lawsuit but have seen firsthand that they will fire you! waiting for the opt in so we atleast have that to protect us or give us grounds for a lawsuit should we be fired.Knight has ripped off its own techs so that the owner could buy planes,yacts,clubs etc. time to stand up and protect ourselves. enough is enough


M Scantland 6 years ago

I have made a forum to post related info on our case aswell as others. Post away... Also we need to stick together and help each other out, Knight is doing bribing people on the suit to drop off.. Also Im requesting we fill a SS8 form, for out Tax purposes.. I can help with supporting docs to show we were trained and the control they had over us. Most case fail because of proof. I have it and that's going to be the factors that will decided our case. Im nopt backing down no matter how many time Jeffs piss ons attack me...


Jake 6 years ago

I contract for another company in the Tampa area and have been hit real hard by the new composite codes and insane backcharges... I'd like to communicate with Mr. Scantland a little more if possible.


Dreamingwolf 6 years ago

Hi, I was trained with a tech from knights enterprises in pinellas. This was when they where paying techs good. But I tried to work with a tech from Tampa named Fingerless Leon, I was doing drops for him for 2 weeks, and after that he only payed me 49 dallors for gas to do just the jobs, and then he split. He owed me almost a grand in pay. Has anyone seen him???

He is a drop tech and missing fingers. dreamingwolf1@yahoo.com

Well any how, I was going to try to get a computer tech job there, but since I came onto this info, I don't know what to do now. Tanks all of you for this info


Cable Quest LLC 6 years ago

I am a contracter here in Orlando. I have a similar story about a company named Central Florida Cable Commun ications. Contracted to Bright house in Orlando. I only missed a day of work due to vehicle problems. I never told them I was going to quit. They owe me 2 checks, but tell me that they are going to keep my check for 90 days. They say that I should of rented one of their lease vehicles for 25 bucks a day. I think they are a part of organized crime. Make money off my sweat and labor, and then make money off my pay for things like the mandatory phone, the the TOA usage that Brighthouse mandates, instead of selling me the signal meter I am forced to rent their meter for 40 bucks a week. Then they don't wanna pay me my check cuz I didn't work 5 days in a row.


NY cable guy 6 years ago

You guys that are complaining are stupid. The cable operator has brutal requirments and unreasonabe methods they require of the General. This then gets passed on to you or it would be a free for all. Keep it up an you'll have a great 9.00 hour job with no ot. Learn more about the business your in and you'll understand.


aware native 6 years ago

I'm the writer of this hub. Its not stupid to stand up for youself when you are getting beat down by companies taking advantage of their positions. If you are willing to take it, that wouldn't make you very smart. Its not ok to work your ass off all the time for these contracting companies to take the money you earned whenever they choose to do so. Or for whatever reason they think is ok. So you must not have been in this position or you wouldn't be bashing those who have.


Awaiting Resolve 6 years ago

Knights Enterprises(Pinellas County Florida)is without a doubt the worst Contractor for violation of IC rights.They may not even be aware that as per the Independent Contractor agreement one is afforded the opportunity to and i quote"go back" and resolve any issue related to the installation as they term "The Company" (Brighthouse)may find during a quality check of the install of services.What a joke...the BH techs are corrupt ,the management of Knights is corrupt and the Knight techs are becoming more disgruntled each and everyday as this Breach of Contract issue has come to light.When will this issue be resolved?


ILOVEKNIGHT 6 years ago

this place is great! stop complaining losers


cabledawg13 6 years ago

I work in Orlando and let me tell you that its the same almost everywhere you go(i also worked in NC).I workded for knight when they were here in orlando years ago and got kicked out.i cant speak of CFCC,IN/ON or FTS but Groupware(GI Broadband) was notorious for chargebacks and such.Having been a supervisor for a contractor and been in the monthly contractor meetings let me tell you that BHN will help the contractor with legal matters to a given extent.

I have heard talk of a lawsuit in Tampa where BHN was named in the suit.I heard rumors of one here in Orlando as well but BHN wasn't named in that one from what Ive heard.

A company that was the last contractor to be forced out by BHN, SBI(structured broadband installations) was the best.any BHN chargeback that could be proven wrong was returned to BHN and the tech was cleared.in house QC chargebacks were $5 for one of the automatic failures(ie bonding,fittings etc.) and general fails(tags,scrap etc) were $1.that's the best chargeback policy ive ever seen in the cable business.

I would love to hear more on this,even though its in tampa.if anyone knows anything about the one in orlando let me know.

may the tips be plentiful and your drops be short guys :)


tinkerbelle 6 years ago

I am appalled at some practices i just found out that BHN does to it's subcontractors. BHN uses subcontractors for installations, repairs etc for their customers. The tech goes and does the job and then BHN sends out an inspector of their own to check the job. If the job isn't done to their satisfaction, they chargeback the tech (subcontractor). In most cases, it seems, the amount they chargeback is more than the tech was even paid to do the job. And to top it all off, the company that the tech works thru is not even allowed to go out and do their own inspection first. Thus, the tech doesn't even get the opportunity to go back out and fix the problem. Also, how does the company that does the work for them know whether the inspector is sabotaging the job to make it look like the work wasn't done correctly the first time. This is clearly a conflict of interest. The company doing the work should be allowed to check the work as well. I can't believe that BHN is actually making money off these people by charging them more than they paid them to do the job in the first place. How are they being allowed to do this. They are making profit off of working class Americans. It is hard enough to live in this economy but to go and spend an hour on a job and not only not get paid for it but to be charged to do the job. So not only did they get the job done for free but they made a profit off the worker and they charged the customer for the work done. How dare they! Don't they already overcharge customers for their cable. Now they feel the need to profit from workers trying to make a living. And there are those ignorant people that say well if they don't like it they can leave. And go where? BHN monopolizes certain cities and other companies won't go there because BHN wants to charge them such high fees. I feel for the people that do supposed subcontract work for them. And honestly, I have done research that shows there have been lawsuits by techs to prove that they are really considered employees not subcontractors because of the way they run things. I think it is time to call this company out on the way they treat Americans. How can they sleep at night knowing that they make a profit off of people trying to do a job. We all make mistakes and usually we are given the opportunity to correct them before being punished for them. Oh and for the comment from NY cable guy, you are the idiot and probably work for them. The same for the IloveKnight person. What these companies are doing is WRONG!!!! It is apalling to know that they not only profit from charging the customer for the work but, like one person said, if there is dust they chargeback more than they paid the tech to begin with. Where is the justice in that. These guys need to get together and stand up for themselves and the government needs to step in to keep the companies from retaliating. I mean, in a sexual harassment case, they are not allowed to retaliate so why should this be any different. Now if Knight is lying to their guys telling them that it is BHN making these chargebacks when in reality it is Knight, Knight needs to pay up. But I am going to find out the real truth. Time to write Governor Christ and Congressman Young. Maybe they can clear things up for me. I am not in the cable business, I am just a concerned citizen that wants justice to be served! I have had it with these big companies thinking they can treat the working class American like garbage.


involved 5 years ago

what did Charlie say tinkerbelle?


Charnita Fance 5 years ago

My husband just started working for Knight Enterprises at the beginning of October.... After reading all of this and the comments I'm really worried now. He's already had one chargeback for $100 but he said that he is allowed to "fight it"...... I hope this doesn't become a recurrent issue. I am going to have him read this.


anonymous 5 years ago

someone should look into central florida cable communications or CFCC. They are also abusing the techs with the charge backs.


Tinkerbelle 5 years ago

To all of you that wanted to know what Governor Christ had to say on this subject. Don't get excited, of course I knew Mr. Christ would not read this but one of his staff. Here is the actual email response and how I replied:

Dear Friend:

Thank you for contacting Governor Crist about personnel practices concerning

contract employees of Brighthouse Cable Networks. The Governor asked me to

respond on his behalf.

As you may know, Florida is a Right to Work state and there are few laws

concerning employer/employee relations. The person who can best answer your and

your fellow employee's legal questions is an attorney. If you need assistance

in locating an attorney, please call the Florida Bar's Referral Service at

1-800-342-8011. For those unable to afford a lawyer, Florida Legal services or

your local legal aid office has information about the availability of pro bono

counsel. The main telephone number for Florida Legal Services is 850-385-7900.

Governor Crist wants to know how Floridians feel about the many critical issues

we face. The Governor appreciates your taking the time to share your views with

him, and will keep your ideas in mind as he forms state policy to address this

issue. You have the opportunity to influence legislation on Florida employment

practices by contacting your local legislative delegation. You may wish to

write to your senator or representative. The Division of Legislative

Information Services is a helpful resource for information on legislation. That

office can be contacted in writing at 111 West Madison Street, Tallahassee,

Florida 32399-1400 or by calling toll-free (800) 342-1827. Those with internet

access can find contact information for their legislators and track bills as

they proceed through the legislative process at www.leg.state.fl.us .

Thank you for writing for your kind words of support for the Governor. Please

do not hesitate to write again on matters of concern or interest to you.

Sincerely,

Rex T. Newman

Office of Citizen Services

My reply:

Dear Sir,

I am amazed that you gave this response to me. If you really read my email in detail, you would have realized that first of all, I am not or never have been a cable installer. Secondly, I did not write the email for any people that are friends or family of mine. I wrote as a concerned citizen trying to get a real answer. I do not need a lawyer as I am not one of the people involved in this. I really thought the Governor of our lovely state would have better staff that would actually take the time to at least look in to the issue. But since Mr. Christ is no longer going to be Governor, it really doesn't matter to him or his staff. And I know that Florida is a right to work state but there must be some laws that protect THE PEOPLE. I will be posting your lame response to all the blogs where people were really looking for an answer. I will then take it up with the new Governor, maybe they will be more interested in PROTECTING AND REPRESENTING THE PEOPLE THAT HELP TO PAY YOUR PAYCHECK. I will make sure your name appears so THE PEOPLE that pay taxes to pay your paycheck know who you are just how helpful you were.

Regards,

One of the People


pablo morales 5 years ago

I have 2 years of experience on cable,i have my own tools and truck. I am moving to tampa in 2 months with my family and then I'm looking for cable companies in the tampa area..if you guys know somethings about cable contractors would be very grateful....my e-mail pablillo0710@hotmail.com


pocholomiami 5 years ago

the same thing is happening now in MIAMI whit (groupware internacional)they cut the prices so low and treated us like shit .We need to step up for our rigths and show all this companies that we are the ones that do all the hard workkkkkk


MS 5 years ago

Hello, I see this is getting alot of people shack-in up by exposing these types of company's for what they really are. Tink, Mr Christ has been Jeffs friend for quit some time, he lived in the Tampa bay area and from what im hearing Jeff is a campaign contributor to races. So hes not going to do anything. It also has made me think why my complaint to the DBPR for licensing has not been taken serious until hes not in office, but not since Ive got a very good feedback from Mr. Scott on this issue, I received a reply that all these types of companies are going to be targeted for audits and compliance with State and local laws. Licensing is the top priority research low voltage licenses, you will find me and about 10,000 telco contractors are working illegally. Well this didn't sit well with the top brass. This ties into the misclassified employee as independent contractor issues we have and unfair treatment. Now to Brighthouses def-fence they hold a contract with each company, and from my copy I have inhand, it stats a 100.00 chargeback for each failed job. It goes into detail of each fail and how its scored. Now from my conversations with others, it seems Knight is the only one who passes this entire charge-back to the Tech, this is probably why they are so many people on the current Class Action Lawsuit with Knight. Since I know the prices Bright House pays for each billing code. I worked some numbers and Knight gets paid 200.00 for a job and pays the tech 100.00 for the install, Knight doesn't take a loss on this transaction only the Tech. This is bad business, you trained the techs, you pay supervisors to check these jobs, you Knight QC guys to check these jobs. OH his Janus Live is getting sued for the exact same thing, Knight Global Entertainment. Plus his Jeff Knights Pure strip club in Miami got sued in 2004 for this as well. A pattern is developing.

I see this happening.

1. We are going to win or Labor Suit in Federal court, hes trying to get everyone to drop off, behind the courts back. He got busted threatening the plaintiff. Now the judge issued a order NO Contact with them. But he still is through third parities.

2. State Licensing is going to shut him down or force him to go employee based.

3. IRS is going to fine his ass big time for misclassifing all of us. How big those fines are depends on how quick the Senate closes the IRS Safe heaven for company's who mistakenly misclassified its workers. Sometime next year I hope.

4. Bright House changes its business model by requiring all companies it subcontracts to be employee based or have licenses on file for each worker.

Now if anyone thinks this isn't going to happen, we have many high ups within the State that are trying to keep there positions during this new Governor, so if they can do something that uncovers the largest unlicensed activity, Florida Department of Labor fines and creates jobs. I think its a win win for me and the State. This isn't the half of it. Even the Whitehouse has shown interest in this Tampabay area problem. It might be ground zero.

All of us who know how it works when we contract for the Direct Tv, Dish or the Cable company we get paid cash, no taxes "1099" ether to your Social or some company we start, but never keep open.

So if were paid cash, we over report or expenses and file fake tax returns. Most guys drive 5000 extra miles when performing work, but its inflated to 20-30k to offest and taxs the worker may owe, plus fake expenses like advertising costs, lawyer fees and monies paid to others as commissions. Knight tells you to use an accountant, just send your 1099 and 200.00 and wammo, that 60k cash you made, your getting money back. I have proof of this. For the past 15 years this has been going on. This is why the IRS is so interested. I wonder why? But if anyone with a Tax software program changes the milage and removes the fake deductions, you would owe 15k in taxes for that year. I don't think that would sit well for over 10,000 contractors in the State. You can see, why the State is losing money, police and fire budgets are being cut, school and roads are being cut. Its because of company's who allow this type of behavior to develop. But the entire industry is like this, not just Florida or the Tampabay area. So cable providers have required employee based contractors, but even then overtime laws are broken, but the Risk is lower overall for liability. They are still required to use there trucks, tools. But paid piece rate and some low hourly rate. W2 and 1099 labor.

I was paid almost 400k over my time there, 350k was paid to a false tax id number and most years I didn't receive any 1099's. But it was business as usual and everyone is doing it. If a company condones it and recommends it, well the workers are going to follow suit.

Here's another good example. Workers at Knight making 5,000 to 6,000 a month are getting state health insurance and food stamps. Family members are all working, here's the issue. Now im sure the application says self employee and all kinds of fake deductions are on the app. Who pays for this? Why cant grandma on a SS getting 400 a month get food stamps and these guys are getting upto 1000 month?

Its because no one is wise enough to ask questions. File out paper work the right "wrong" way and you get food stamps, health insurance all while you have a family income of over 8,000 a month.

Its a joke over there, how much you get? 500 a month, I get 800 a month... Haaa Haaa!!!

Ha!! Ha!! on who? The tax payers? You who work all day, pay your taxes, paying to SS, Unemployment. But you cant blame the workers. If anyone goes in and starts work, you will see most have nowhere else to go, convicted felonies, most on probation or PTI for drug offenses or threat charges. Why is it that when someone leaves Knight and goes to another Brighthouse contractor they cant get a job working there? Its because those companies follow the background requirements required to insure the consumer is not having a guy released from prison in there home half the day installing cable. So they go back to Knight and its business as usual. I sit and think how this can happen. Ive watched them get ride of guys, don't get me wrong, if your a child molester, like one working for Knight for a few years, you could go under the radar. But he was fired. Humm.. This convicted child molestor was in 5-8 peoples homes a day, 6 days a week for 2 years. Scarey... "Lloyd Jackson" his on the FDLE website. Maybe he was in your home, your childs room alone. Scarey. Makes you think doesn't you think?

Is there a special relationship between the owner of Knight and Bright House that makes BH continualy look the other way each and every time something happens with BH customers, but other company's lose contracts all the while Knight grows?

News teams need to ask the right questions, dig into the deep rooted relationship with top BH brass, trips, cars house's, offshore money accounts... Who knows what they will find. Not that im saying anything, but rumors led to people discovering the truth. Ive personal heard some rumors and its another poker I have in the fire.

This issue is way to big to cover all the ways this has affected the economy. Without worker rights, were just slaves to the trade. For many years people have voiced we need change, were treated like shit, we need benefits, they can tell me to work 7 days a week. But when some hears and acts, he becomes the outcast, the trouble maker... Just think Knight could have avoided all this. They couldn't let one of there best guys go over to BH and start a career, but instead blackball him out of the industry all because he was friends with someones GF and got close to his personal life, big mistake as your finding out now. So this was never about money, its about change it happened to me and its happened to others. I heard how could this Pee-on be doing this to me.. He must have help. Is this why he hasn't tried to pay me off like others. Anyways

p.s

I wonder how the mood of there Xmas party is going to be. Don't worry well be here next y


$$jt$$ 5 years ago

i think cfcc should be looked in to, with strong disernment. there business practices are very similar to those of knight. i was told by wilfredo polan that they will hire anyone who comes through the door. i worked for donald gault for a short period of time,when i realized i was not even clearing 50% of federal minimum wage after paying all of my expenses. not including their"qc charge backs" i decided to seek alternate opportunitys to attain an honest living and to be treated with dignity and respect. best wishes to all!!!!!!!!!!! be easy and remember there are better ways to earn a living than cableing. oh by the way, to whom it may concern all business info regarding central florida cable communications is available at sunbiz.org


time for some action 5 years ago

It's obvious that enough is enough there needs to be action they hit us in the pocket the tech needs to hit pocket how you ask work stoppage for least 2 days they ( contracting company owner yea you Gault) you can make this happen just post a date and every one stand tall and think of the future of your own company and you and your family. When these contracting company ownerssat at the table with bhn they did not have us in common only their pockets. Techs are not expendable not when they are certified and have thousands of dollars in equipment and carry millions of dollars in insurance like I said enough is enough spread the word if you are a man and I know cable techs are stay on this site and keep your eye open for links and spread the word to other techs


$$jt$$ 5 years ago

a little info for yall if i am a contractor, not an employee why then does donald gault hide behind one of the best employment law firms in the nation. could it possibly be that he knows exactly what could happen if we as prideful hard working americans stood together as one to display unity towards mr gault and "charge back his company for $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$" lets have some fun people. we can take action!!!!!!!!!


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Borrowed with minor revisions from GM's Fast Lane blog Blog powered by TypePad Is Your Worker An Employee Or An Independent Contractor

Some time ago, we wrote an article on some of the key factors that should be considered when determining employee or independent contractor status. If you or someone is questioning the status of one of your workers, here are some additional factors that the IRS looks at to determine whether a worker is an independent contractor or really an employee.

Rendering of services

Employees are personally required to perform their services and may not assign another individual to perform their task (without employer's permission). However, independent contractors may or may not personally render the required services, as they are permitted to engage others to do the work.

Hiring assistants

An employee works for an employer that directly hires, supervises, and compensates the individuals performing the work. Employees do not hire assistants to help perform the required tasks. Independent contractors may hire, supervise, and pay assistants under a contract that requires the former to provide materials and/or labor, and is responsible for the contracted results.

Full-time work

Employees normally work full-time for an employer. Independent contractors work when and for whom they choose, and may be engaged by more than one entity at one time.

Work done on premises

An employee works on the employer's premises, or works at a location chosen by or approved by the employer. Independent contractors typically work off the engaging firm's premises, unless the particular tasks need to be done at the engaging firm's place of business.

Right to fire

An employee can be terminated by his or her employer at will. An independent contractor can only be terminated in accordance with terms of the agreement of engagement. For example, and independent contractor who fails to perform in accordance with the contract terms is in breach, which may be a basis for termination.

Right to quit

An employee can quit his or her job at any time without incurring liability for uncompleted tasks or assignments. An independent contractor, on the other hand, usually agrees to perform a specific task and is responsible for its satisfactory completion, or is legally obligated to take responsibility for the damages caused by his or her failure to complete the job.

Among all of the circumstances to consider, the degree of independent business organization and operation is a significant factor. This is a crucial test and goes to the heart of the question of whether there is the requisite degree of independence. The employer does not have to actually control the details and ways of accomplishing tasks in order for individuals to be considered employees. There need only be the right to exercise that control.

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$$jt$$ 5 years ago

1.Do not have a policy preventing the independent contractor from working for other customers, including competitors (stated or unstated) unless there are trade secret or other compelling reasons to have one.

2.If a job performance is deficient, then the independent contractor who did it should be given the opportunity to correct or cure the defect, or stand the risk of financial penalty.

3.It is recommended that a separate file be kept for each independent contractor containing a copy of the contractual agreement (ideally, it should be for each work order), copies of 1099 Forms, certificates of insurance, etc. If there ever is an audit, these documents will be critical.

4.Do not automatically deduct expenses or make chargebacks without independent contractor approval.

5.An independent contractor should be able to negotiate rates for extra work and decide whether to accept such work.

6.If a company vehicle is used, there must be a fair payment for its use. It is far more preferable to insist the contractor provide all the necessary equipment. If this is not possible, then be certain adequate rent is paid for equipment use.

7.If one has both independent contractors and regular employees who do similar work, distinguish the treatment of each in as many ways as practicable. For example, employees can earn overtime premium pay.

8.Be careful of terminology. Employees are paid on the basis of payroll agreements; the payment for the independent contractor is based upon the terms of a contract. Remember, you can terminate employees but, in the case of independent contractors, you choose to end the "contractual agreement." You should not "fire" independent contractors.

9.Do not specify that certain individuals be part of work crews of independent contractors.

10.If state licenses are required for independent contractors to perform services, make sure independent contractors furnish proof they have secured the necessary licenses.

As mentioned in our earlier post, in some situations it may not be an easy matter to determine whether an individual is an employee or an independent contractor. The more structure and documentation you have that identifies the differences can be a great benefit should you encounter challenges to the worker's relationship.

May 22, 2008 in Employees/Contractors | Permalink | Comments (2) | TrackBack (0)

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Employing Independent Contractors - 10 Guidelines For Avoiding Problems

If one engages independent contractors or independent agents, the best way to prevent a problem is to ensure that your relationship with them is a professional and well documented one.

Remember, an independent contractor is just that - independent. The standards you apply to dealing with other non-employees should apply with independent contractors as well. For that reason, such relationships should be carefully reviewed.

Here are ten HR guidelines you might like to consider that can help you avoid potential problems in the future.

1.Avoid calling a meeting of independent contractors that can indicate "employment". Instead, meet with them one-on-one. Also, keep proper separation from regular company staff meetings.

2.Keep corporate logos, insignia or signs off independent contractor's trucks and at the job site.

3.Provide materials to independent contractors at a bona fide price that reflects, at a minimum, the cost of the material and overhead. Furnish an invoice for these materials.

4.Do not have a policy that prevents an independent contractor from working for other customers, including competitors, unless there are trade secret or other compelling reasons.

5.Require each contractor to submit an invoice prior to payment.

6.Issue payments to independent contractors on the same schedule as other vendors.

7.Remember, independent contractors hire their own assistants.

8.Require proof of liability insurance from contractors.

9.When communicating with independent contractors, do not use the same types of communications you send to employees.

10.Do not hand out employee work rules or employee handbooks or manuals to independent contractors. If there are certain workplace rules or policies you wish to apply to contractors, incorporate them into the contract or replublish them as contractor policies.

It is also recommended that businesses maintain separate files for each independent contractor they contract with. These files should contain a copy of the contractual agreement, copies of 1099 forms, certificates of insurance and any other pertinant documents.

For more information about independent contractors, you might like to read one of our earlier articles on the IRS Common Law Test. In addition, morebusiness.com has a great article on How To Tell The Difference Between Independent Contractors and Employees that is worth reading.

April 20, 2007 in Employees/Contractors | Permalink | Comments (3) | TrackBack (0)

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The IRS Common Law Test

About six months ago we posted an article about key questions to ask yourself to determine independent contractor status. As more and more companies outsource services, it is important for HR managers to review the arrangements with each service provider prior to their hire to ensure that they are indeed "independent" vs. an employee.

The IRS has identified 20 factors, called the Common Law Test, as a guideline when considering independent contractor status. Five of the factors involve instruction, training, hours of work, expenses and if same services are provided to other companies.

Instruction:

An employee is required to comply with instruction about when, where and how to work. Even if no instructions are given, the control factor is present if the employer has to right to give instructions. Independent Contractors (IC's) determine on their own how they will proceed in accomplishing an assigned task. An IC is under no obligation to comply with instructions as to how to perform an assigned task, only that they accomplish it.

Training:

An employee is trained to perform services in a particular manner. IC's ordinarily use their own methods to accomplish the required task and receive very little or no training from the party which retains their services.

Hours of work:

An employee usually has set hours of work established by an employer. IC's are masters of their own time. They set their own hours of work.

Expenses:

An employee's business and travel expenses are paid for by an employer. Typically, IC's pay their own business and traveling expenses. However, it is customary in certain trades and professions for IC's to bill their clients for disbursements such as travel, photocopying and other incidental expenses. Payment of disbursements, in addition to the fee for services, does not create an employment relationship.

Works for more than one person or company:

While an employee can have more than one job at a time, employers can demand exclusive employment and prohibit an employee from working for another employer. IC's usually offer their services to multiple, unrelated entities at the same time. Having more than one client or customer at a particular time is persuasive evidence of IC status.

The IRS Common Law Test are only guidelines, but do provide an excellent outline when developing an independent contractor agreement or contract.

Buffalo State University has created a yes or no questionnaire involving all 20 factors you may wish to look at. Keeping such a checklist in your independent contractor file might be a good idea.

January 25, 2007 in Employees/Contractors | Permalink | Comments (2) | TrackBack (0)

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Is Your New Hire An Employee Or An Independent Contractor?

It is no easy matter to determine whether an individucal is an employee or an independent contractor. There have been many legal cha


$$jt$$ 5 years ago

gosh i guess reading is fundamenta. expecially when the rewards can come with great monetary gain. the prior posts are public info available to all who care to read, unfortunately they are posted in an attemt to get people to search their memory about how central florida cable communications has treated you as a "independent contractor" !!!! if you feel you were violated in any manner by cfcc and any of its employees including but not limited to supervisors,managers,dispatch,operations managers and such. lets band together and have some well deserved fun. cfcc shall reap what they deserve... I am a firm believer in Endure suffering along with me, as a good soldier of Christ Jesus. 4 Soldiers don’t get tied up in the affairs of civilian life, for then they cannot please the officer who enlisted them. 5 And athletes cannot win the prize unless they follow the rules. 6 And hardworking farmers should be the first to enjoy the fruit of their labor. 7 Think about what I am saying. The Lord will help you understand all these things.


$$jt$$ 5 years ago

It is no easy matter to determine whether an individucal is an employee or an independent contractor. There have been many legal challenges over the years by employers, and the Supreme Court has been asked on a number of occasions to resolve controversies.

The Court has been careful to point out that there is no single rule, factor or test which determines whether an individual is an independent contractor or an employee for purposes of the FLSA. The following offers a few of the key questions that can help you determine independent contractor status:

1. Does the enterprise set the hours of work?

2. Does the enterprise dictate the methods by which the task is to be implemented?

3. Does the enterprise pay an hourly wage?

4. Does the enterprise supply material and tools?

5. Does the enterprise furnish space, telephone, or secretarial services?

6. Does the enterprise set fixed, geographical limits on work?

The courts have held that "yes" answers to these questions indicate an employer-employee relationship. While each case will be determined by its own facts, each "yes" answer to the above questions lessens the likelihood of a finding of independent contractor status. The employer-employee relationship is tested by economic reality rather than technical concepts.

Under the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) common law test, and individual generally is an employee if the person for whom the individual performs services has the right to control and direct that individual, both as to the result to be accomplished by the work and as to the details and means by which that result is accomplished.

The IRS has identified 20 factors it may consider in any given situation. A complete list of the 20 factors along with detailed explanations of each can be found in Chapter 1 of the new business guidebook, What Every Business Manager And HR Professional Should Know About Federal Labor And Employment Laws.

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$$jt$$ 5 years ago

you can make a difference. no doubt its time for some action. bbking is still #1, ha ha


$$jt$$ 5 years ago

i will bet one red cent that the government would love to reclassify all of donald gault's "contractors" to employee status to collect all that tax money over the past several years!!!!!!!!!!!!! think about it.... i would never want to owe the irs that kind of money. it would probably be devastating to cfcc.. cable contractors are kinda like school in the summer time- no class. - action must be made!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


$$jt$$ 5 years ago

http://www.laborandemploymentlawblog.com/employees... and specifically item number 4) that chargebacks could not be deducted from IC's pay without prior approval.

That link is to a blog that's just making suggestions. There's nothing in that blog that says anything about the legality of chargebacks deducted from an IC's pay. It only suggests not to do it. The entire blog is not anything you should be relying on because there are no statutes or case citations quoted.

lsch42:

Additionally, this company has deducted previously paid fees (some 1 and 2 years old) from pending earnings, stating that these fees have been charged back to the company. The Company has also declined to provide evidence of these chargebacks when requested and has ignored repeated requests for such from IC's.

I would like to know if the Company is within their legal rights to do this, and if not what recourse the IC's have to be reimbursed for these deductions.

The answer to that depends on two things:

1 - Are you really an independent contractor or are you an employee of a company that uses the independent contractor gimmick to dodge workers compensation premiums, unemployment taxes and payroll taxes?

2 - If you are an independent contract what does your compensation agreement say about chargebacks?

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$$jt$$ 5 years ago

don't you just love the law... well be good yall. till next time. peace be unto thee


concerned 5 years ago

is this info true? im a cable contractor(sub) i think. according to this post i have been reading im starting to think im an employee. can this really benefit me?


$$jt$$ 5 years ago

i wont make any promise to monatary gain, i will say these cable company's actions need to be rectified. unfortunatly i have been ordered not to discuss any gains i have received from other cable company that has previously followed actions very similar to those of cfcc and donald gault and his staff. this mans ego has to be leveled. he has to understand there are severe consequences for his actions.


$$jt$$ 5 years ago

by all means people don't get me wrong i love bright house networks!! they have been a great company in the past. their service is wonderful,both what they offer as well as their customer support. my targets are the contractors they use. such as cfcc & knight. i am fairly certain that if cfcc's business practices were exposed, bright house networks would more than likely seek alternate contractor. there is plenty of work for sub contractors just with a replacement of cfcc.


fisher 5 years ago

It's been nearly 3 years since I worked for GI and I can tell you it's nice to get a paycheck and not having to guess where all my money went. Don't know if anyone was informed, but the class action law suit between GI Broadband and it's employees was settled. An award of 150,000 dollars will be dispersed to roughly 56 employees provided they opt in.

I have roughly 13 years experience in the cable field. I started with American telephone and telegraph where I became a system technician. After moving to the Daytona beach area I began to work GI with a promise that I could make upwards of 40 to 70 k per year...of course I jumped on it. I was intent on making that money but month after month I started to see a pattern of charge backs, not just me but everyone. I was obviously angry because I worked hard and long for that money. 99% percent of my work was to the standards of Bright House and therefore could not understand why there was so much money coming out of my check. Come to find out GI had there own set of QC employees that needed to get paid and how were they paid...by dipping into my and others pay. Mind you that when a job went arry we didn't get paid...the QC tech was paid $4.oo and the rest went back into coporates pockets. Don't get me started on lost or damaged equipment...I think you all know how that goes.

Then came the time to have to pay for our own tools which became a payroll deduction, but it was of course above the normal cost of the tool itself. where does anyone get off charging $75.00 for a paddle lock key.

Now Mr. Dean found a way to afford a good attourney that could lead him to every loophole that was so close to the edge yet no one would question him. A new contract was in the works with BHN and there was a chance that we could make a little more. He got his contract but we never saw a dime, in fact we started to make less. By this time a new area manager that moved down from corporate decided that anyone intentionally or mistakenly falsly billing would lose their job no questions asked. Then his own employees started a cut throat battle with their co workers with a prospect to move up the corporate ladder only after having to take an in house course based on scientology...wtf...that was it for me. You were threatened to lose your job if you did not complete this course. needless to say I took my money and ran.

Mr. Ron Dean you deserve this and more and I hope more speak up. 150,000 dollars to 56 people isn't nearly enough to right this wrong. it's not just the employees that struggled it was their families that had to face the fact of loss of pay and overtime. Our spouses lost confidence in us because of you. We wanted to work and make money, but like many you were just to damn greedy. Guess all those charge backs came in handy. Maybe you anticipated this but it's unlikely. Seems to me that I recall a point in your scientology racket that if you want something bad enough that you should NEVER cut corners. I guess you should have practiced what you preach. So put that in your hat and wear it!


fisher 5 years ago

I left out an Important point from my last post. Basically as some have said here I was told by my employers that I was a contractor. Bright house saw us as contractors. I got a W2 every year...from my employer.


Ken 5 years ago

I also worked for KNIGHT for a year in that time i was charged for 4 boxes 3500.was deducted from my checks I could buy the boxes from BRIGHTHOUSE for 1500.I offered to replace the boxes and was told no. I also was charged 400. for a drywall repair that i did not do.They don't even investigate claims they just take it out of your check.I remember dispatch constantly calling pushing for me to hurry so i could pick up more work. I remember being on a ladder running a new drop to a bussiness that was closed at 10:00 at night because it couldn't wait till morning.I hated showing up at a 4:00 appointment at 9:00 and having to deal with a customer that has no idea that i had been busting my but all day trying to get all my work done plus whatever dispatch added during the day i could go on forever but i want.I just got the letter today about the lawsuit cant wait to join in the suit. My name is Ken from WINTER HAVEN and worked there in 08


$$jt$$ 5 years ago

happy new year to all. now don't forget you can 1099 your. charge backs to the company whom issued them.!!!!!!!!!!!!


$$jt$$ 5 years ago

tax shelters are a wonderful thing. take advantage if you can.


jffhfhfj 5 years ago

Central florida cable (cfcc) should be investigated and closed down.


torkwrench 5 years ago

If you are getting charged back, you must be doing something wrong. Stop doing it wrong = keep what you billed for...simple. I have had a many good years with Groupware. I know most chargbacks are absorbed. BHN, along with most MSO's have nasty tactics to get a return on their invoice. Groupware can only absorb so much to stay in business, as goes with any business. BHN charges 500.00 for a lost ped key, BTW. Seems Groupware only made you pay 75.00. I think Groupware's only fault was keeping a bad tech...too long!

Its complainers like yourselves above that make this job suck...


concerned 5 years ago

it's time to after CFCC. let's go guys let's do it. let's all stay home indefenetely.


Vacuna 5 years ago

I work for a contractor company in Tampa and the chargebacks are getting out of control this company charges the tech for fail qc and their field managers as well, BH QC are failing jobs for things that don't affect services and could be fix by the tech if giving the change such as a loop on a jumper, a tag in a wrong place, and old fitting left at the wallbox, this is was going on right now.


hispano 5 years ago

Central Florida Cable's chargeback are out of control. Its time to act. This must be stopped now.


Alan 5 years ago

I have been in the Cable business 6 years 4years for Kablelink 1 year for Knight Enterprises and then back to Kablelink currently 2-4-2011 and I left Knight Enterprises after they back charged me $2,865 on 1 2 week paycheck I was the only bury drop crew. I used my own trencher I replaced 176 drops in 2 weeks and they gave me a check for $143.00 and back charged me $2,865 for improper depth of a drop I was using a 16 inch blade with a 7 inch depth drop. Now I am working with Kablelink in Brandon and I still have to fight for my paycheck they loose my work orders and then charge me $50.00 per aging work orders. and on top of that they charge me for the equipment $325.00 for a standard H.D. box, $500.00 for a H.D. DVD, $100.00 Cable Card I work around 16 hours a day 5 days a week and bring home after back charges about $250.00 I spend around $175.00 a week in gas I live in Auburndale Florida and drive and work in Brandon Both Knight Enterprises And KableLink Communications are rip offs. I a thinking about getting a job at papa johns delivering pizza at night and then a paper rout afterwards


unknown  5 years ago

For all the contractors working for Kablelink. We should all get together and fight what they are doing to us with all the chargebacks we have been getting in the past couple of weeks. This is getting way out of hand and we need to do something about it. It is finally affecting all of us, and not just some of us. We know what we need to do and that is all come together and figure out a way that we can make a change. This is not going to change until we ALL come together and do it. We have been passive towards a lot of ways we have been treated, but it has gone too far. I am fed up and I know I am not the only one in the brandon office that is fed up with what brighthouse and kablelink are doing to us.


newcableguy 5 years ago

If i was charged back or fined on a job for BHN I think I would spend a few days or nights giving BHN a little payback.I mean you do have the keys to the store so to speak.


Cable Slave 5 years ago

Glad I'm not the only one infuriated by this garbage. BH pulls a lot of shady garbage on contractors but the chargebacks ought to be criminal. If you're as PO'd about this as me, consider watching, "liking" and spreading this video around:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdLrWzFWPPc



Jeff Knight 5 years ago

Kablelink crew, Knight guys you all should have known this crap was never going away. I own Bright House and I own you.

Ha HA!! Im on my big ass boat with Mr. Robertson having some drinks laughing at you guys...

Kable guys should band together and file a suit, they didn't want to share my Legal Fees for both BH and my own legal fees. But guess what Im opening Orlando soon and if you guys wanna work/slave for me come on, call Brandon you will find him screwing some girls at 24k behind his girls back or Me and Mike Roberston having drinks and hookering it up....


noname 5 years ago

i totally agree with u newcableguy. Das one good way to get back at BHN and there are a few other ways also, just use your imagination guys.


loco loco 5 years ago

that's right newcableguy, and when I leave, Im making sure I keep the key to the store!!!! F!!!!!k BHN.


MATT PEREZ 5 years ago

YO ANYONE FROM KNIGHT TELL ME WHO THIS LAWSUIT IS FOR ASAP. I WORKED THERE 3 YEARS AND WAS CHARGED AND SCREWED EVERY TYPE OF WAY.TOPP PRODUCER NOW OWES 90,000 IN TAXES FOR 4 YEARS OF WORK. PLEASE HELP!!!


ToMatt 5 years ago

Matt

Google

Michael Scantland lawsuit you will find the lawfirm. Also if you can testify im sure hell is to pay...


CALI Cable Guy 5 years ago

Im a cable installer here in LA California. The company I work for also slaves us and pays us crap for the hard work we do. We are so called independent contractors however the company wants to dictate every little action. I'm pretty sick of hwo things are being run and Im glad to see that there are peple standing up for their rights. I am looknig into doing the same here in LA. Good Luck Fellas don't let then get u down.


Jim Carry 5 years ago

I have worked in the tampa Bay area for 8 years and have done 1000's of jobs. I can tell you that most installers have no idea what they are doing. I would say about 95% of the jobs I show up on are a wreck. Everything the last tech did was wrong. Most of the back charges are probably correct. Maybe if you knew what you were doing and didn't do sucj crap work you would not have the problems that you do. I have spent hours cleaning up your mess. Any installer that shows up to a house after I was done wouldn't have much to do because I can read the specmanual and do the job correctly. Quit your crying and learn how to do your job. I have seen plenty of you get $1000 pay checks that you do not deserve, because I showup on a change of service after you and have to clean up your mess. Why is that??? If you cant do the job correctly then go flip bergers or join a lawn service, quit trying to do a job that you are unqualified at and then complain that your not getting paid..... GROW UP and quit suckuling off your mommy.


1hick 4 years ago

I have done cable for 11 years and not once have I been back charged nor lost a piece of equipment. The latter due to the grace of God the former is because the manager knew I would kick his a@@ if he back charged me.


RBlair 4 years ago

Everyone keeps complaining. The one way to get this stuff stopped, is to organize. There is a new union just for us in the cable/satellite and telecommunications field. go to www.bccunion.com today to organize, or to join. It is time to fight back and take back our rights. They have already began taking companies by storm and getting thing's changed. People not getting paid, received their money plus extra within days of being contacted by them. Companies not taking money, and not charging back without stipulations. They are going to make these industries the way they should be, we just have to grow a set and stand up and fight with them. Stop making excuses to why you can't. We can stand up now, with them backing us. Brotherhood of communication contractors. They are here for us. Let's grow their numbers by joining today and help them become stronger. Don't listen to your boss, they can't fire you, and if they try to, the union will sue them and you will own that company.


$$jt$$ 4 years ago

i haven't worked for the cable industry for 14 months now and have been quite happpy building furniture. good luck to all of you. well i haven't sent any billing codes to any one if you know what i mean $$$$ talks


tom 4 years ago

Jim Carry, you are a dumbass.


Indy Cable Guy 4 years ago

After ready all these posts, I see BHN is at least screwing all of us. I am a contractor in Indianapolis. I have contracted for BHN since 1996. of course, a few name changes have taken place since then. American, Time Warner, now BHN. The 100 dollar back charge....It is time for something to be done.The 100 dollar QC does not bother me.If I did bad quality work, back charge me.It is the 100 dollar trouble call...total crap. All the service tech does on a trouble call is click the first finding code on his handheld,bad fitting, and 100 dollars is gone. I had one last week. BHN wants a maint call set up for tap problems.Well, I had a return out of the tap of a 55.Set up the tap problem with dispatch, 100 dollar back charge the next week for bad fitting. spoke with the customer, she said the BHN tech said everthing was ok on arrival. I looked the modem up in docsis, and the return is still a 58 at the modem.I debated the back charge, and was told by the BHN person in charge of debates, that it was a bad fitting. 100 dollars gone over total crap. Something has to be done here in Indy as well......


me too 4 years ago

I am a cable installer in florida. Be ware or BHN. Although brighhouse it not the only problem. You people need to get an attorney and file a complaint that the contracts which they make us sign is unconcionable, no reasonable person would agree to it. Also, some laws do not allow companies to make a profit off of chargebacks like BHN does. The chargebacks are a source of income for the cable companies, this is no surprise, the network companies do not want to pay the installers to do their work. If you work for Jaguar you are only being compensated at 50% of what is given the them to pay the installers and than they institute the chargebacks.


lenibm 4 years ago

I am a cable contractor in houston texas....please send me your emails at lenibm@aol.com to discuss creating a network platform for us with a union state wide to protect our federal rights...

thanks

lenibm


joejoenj 4 years ago

any people up here in jersey seeing the same stuff?....


PISSED OFF CONTRACTOR 4 years ago

I am a contractor with Jaguar. I am so angry i could blowup jaguar and all bright house building's in the central Florida area. Bright house knows that they have Jaguar, Groupware, etc by the balls. Nobody wants to contest a charge back, you just get charged back! Bright house decides that they don't want to pay for the DJ code and guess what, they will go back almost a year and take it back from you. Do you think any scared of loosing their contract, contractors(Jaguar), is going to fight back? Hell No. If you miss spell a serial number of a digital box on a work order, is it fair to possibly be charged back for the whole job? This cannot be legal! For years security codes for wireless networks have been written on the customers receipt, on their green copy, but guess what now, bright house decides they want it in full view on the white copy of the work order. That means you are getting charged back,yet again, for a job you completed a half a year ago. When is this going to end.


Wickedpissed 4 years ago

Anyone who does not agree with us on this page is not a cable contractor. Like the guy claiming to have done this for a long time , and he has no problems. I'm pretty sure no one likes that guy at his office. I've done this for twelve years and I've done nothing but supreme work for at least 11yrs. And as a great tech i still have to eat shit. I work in the northeast and work with many techs that have been doing this for 20+ years, and they would all agree on how fucked up this industry is.


Lay your brown cable 4 years ago

The cable industry, like many big buisnesses throughout the world are run by people with no conscience. For them it's not even about the money anymore but it's about what they can get away with. Cableguys will be no more in a few years once it's all wireless, so my guess is it will keep getting worse. I wish there was a better way for us to rise up and retaliate. Great video on utube. Just search cable guy trouble call.


Wind is about to change 4 years ago

In-house techs at Bright House Networks are getting a little fed-up with the demands of more work and the recent pay cuts. Over booked and left facing angry customers, the new added time frames, the new added responsibilities. The 5 cent yearly raise. Hold your hats folks, the winds of change are coming


THE Cable Guy 4 years ago

years ago I had was subcontracting for KE-- Found it funny that all my techs had to sign a contract to work there when we were all under the same business name---


THE Cable Guy 4 years ago

Just another thought---Why does my company have to follow the law and can only use Licensed contractors and KE can get away with hiring unlicensed contractorst??-- I personaly know the state and county know that KE is doing this.


nyc acs/vz tech 4 years ago

I was working with a union but, I deceided to leave my good union job and try my hand in the fast pace world of the sub-contractor.. BIG mistake!! One thing I've learned in this process is that you can make good money sub-contracting but, it's the contract company and the cable provider who is screwing the sub-contractor. one thing i've learned in this business is that the sub-contractor holds the keys to the company and if done correctly, they can bring both parties to their knees.. How you might ask, its called a silent union!! one draw back is this, you have selfish people out there and they can't c past their nose but, working for one union they did what they had to do and they kept their ranks in file.. work stoppage, slow down, and some dykes can do a lot to a company who prides themselves on CUSTOMER SERVICE!! Remember, even though the cable provider gets customers and the contract company distributes the labor, as tech it's US (the sub-contractor)who deals with these customers! If we don't do the job what do they get? If they had the manpower they wouldn't need us so it's about chargbacks or whatever they could us to screw you with then fight back!! I took pics of my work once and my former mgr stepped to me and said that he was taking 75 bucks from one of my jobs. I asked him whicn one, I'll be back-with pics (smartphones and email are God sends to a tech) and I asked him why was he doing it? Oh, never mind is what I got out of stupid little man! I got screwed out my former contract company for 3500 give or take and an additional 53k for lost wages/overtime pay. In a lawsuit that is taking forever to finish but, giving myself another shot in this game. I hope what i said was helpful and I do hope that if enough people would stand up they could make a difference..


Yer Pasco Cable Daddy 4 years ago

The lawsuit is over...all the whining didn't amount to shit and you LOST. All time that would have been best served working, and working WITH your contractor to keep the money in your pockets instead of working IN SPITE OF, trying to get something for nothing.


Tampa Cable Installers 4 years ago

Hello,

I just want to say to Yer... Pasco.. Cable Daddy.... The lawsuit is not over who told you that? Its in the 11th District Court of Appeals, the Judge almost always gets her rulings overturned... Plus from what I hear the Federal Judge has family members at Bright House.. Didn't know that did you... Ha!!!

I didn't see a party or parade on the ruling date from Knight? Why because they know there gonna lose in Appeals... Dumm Ass Redneck in Pasco

Oh wanna see if you on my Facebook Fan Page

facebook.com/tampabaycableinstallers


Two Sides to a Coin 4 years ago

Are some contractors shafted? Yes indeed.

Are some contractors horrible? Yes indeed.

I worked in field operations for years and had to deal with techs all the time. I remember one poor bastard got hit with a chargeback because the nutter customer destroyed parts of the run and said that the tech left it that way. The only reason the original contractor was vindicated was because when our tech went out he did the same crap again.

I also had a contractor who would call in multiple installs after 10PM on one call. Of course it would have been helpful if she was calling from the customer's house instead of hers because the levels would be shot and she's now left the customer with a modem that hasn't worked since she installed it at 1 that afternoon and will now have to arrange to have another tech out.

Maybe if both sides weren't full of buttheads there wouldn't be these issues


murphacus 4 years ago

i worked for cable contractor called AMTEC out of Bocca, which is probably owned by the same a-holes. same shit. in MA the state forced em 2 give us some compensation, but it didn't come close 2 the overtime that was due. the owners of the companies are all shady dick holes. manipulating loop holes and trying 2 manipulate people. i was searching 4 jobs in tampa because i am a good cable tech and am about 2 move close by. too bad the the contract companies are run by out of touch, greedy, fuckheads who wouldn't last a day running a route. if comcast had the balls 2 allow unions and do its own f'ing work, then these leaches wouldn't have water 2 swim in. 99% mf'ers ha!


formerly worked for contractors 4 years ago

I can give a bit more insight on to why they charged you for incomplete or poor quality. Cable contractors in general only get paid for work that is completed to BHN or the other cable companies guidelines setup in the contract between the contracting company and BHN, these guidelines are detailed and updated by BHN to make it so they do not pay the contractor. Examples of this can be as simple as not printing bill codes in the proper space or in the wrong order. Fail to see that there is a penny difference in the amount bhn requests and what you collected and boom that Work Order isn't paid.

BHN requires the contract company to be employee based and not contractor. If the contract company like knight didn't modify the bill codes that are paid out to the employees to account for things such as minimum wage or over time then fault lies on the contract company, but at the same time if all bill codes are being paid incorrectly those tech are making more money on average then they will after the company changes the bill codes to make it so that they can pay minimum wage and overtime. Because of this older more experienced tech's will end up getting a significant pay cut in order to pay for new tech's who are not able to make minimum wage.

On the flip side most new tech's are barely able to make minimum wage working only 40 hours and are normally willing to work more hours to get more pay, they too will get a pay cut and in most cases wash out like most cable tech's do.

In the end after experiencing this with a cable contract company who went through extensive adjustments. Most people were not happy with the pay cuts and much of the company's solid staff left to go to other contractors that were paying piece work. ie knight who will now have to suffer like the rest of us did.

It should be a good learning experience for knight since they have poor standards and have only been able to stay in business in due to their very extensive friendship with higher ups in BHN. Nice to know the good old boy network is feeling the squeeze, hopefully it will level the playing field for other contractors.


rick sdott 4 years ago

i also have worked for knight and would like to know about the law suit they got me for about 50 hours week over time and charge backs and split pay contact me at lonestarcable8@gmail.com


Msn5886 4 years ago

Everyone that has worked for a contracting company has

Been screwed over anyone have a good lawyer to get some of the money owed to me


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tampaseoservices 3 years ago from Saint Petersburg, Florida

Oh for everyone wanting an update..

This case is being followed by many high profile Labor lawyers.

Page 13, made the highlighted and notable cases

http://www.employmentlawtampa.com/uploads/1/0/6/1/...

The Department of Labor has even supported the cable guys are employees and from a call they are auditing Knight Enterprises

http://www.dol.gov/sol/media/briefs/scantland(A)-0...

This is a group that also is interested and supports the appeal, which looks like its going to Trial sometime next year.

http://exchange.nela.org/NELA/Resources/ViewDocume...

As you see this case is going to be battled on all fronts. If the ruling stays, it would affect hundreds/thousands of other companies under the eyeglass for audits.

The evidence has been examined by the DOL and other high profile legal experts and they have backed the Scantland lawyers and most of all Scantland for the curage to put himself out. With this much Legal mombo jumbo, maybe a ruling will preval.


Pancho 3 years ago

I work out of Texas for a cable contractor. The Mgr is always threatening us everyday. He tells us, he isn't going to give us a route if we don't have our own internet, get there at a specific time, if we don't wear the proper boots, if failed too many qc's, if park in the alloted parking lot spcaes, if we call in sick, etc etc etc. They also back charge us for missed time frames and if we fail a quality contol. What can we do to stop this evil company from doing this to us?


Kevin 2 years ago

I work for Kablelink in NC and to my understanding they have recently fix these issues...you don't get backcharged for failed qc. you only get charged for them if you fail the qc the same way 5 times in a month. they are very nice to me and explain how to do it right. I love the company and this job.


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