Indiana's Right to Work (Will we become the 23rd state to join?)

Will Indiana become the 23rd State to become a Right0-to-Work State?
Will Indiana become the 23rd State to become a Right0-to-Work State?


Well, the state of Indiana is on the brink of some National news. There is going to be some major fights abrupt as the states legislators are close to passing the Right to Work (RTW) law. This law stipulates that unions in this state can no longer force workers to pay union dues if they so choose. If this law passes, Indiana would be the 23rd state to adopt this law and the first one in the industrial heartland of the Midwest.


In a free society, as we are ‘supposed’ to live in, we should not be forced to pay for unwanted union representation if we so desire. The governments place is NOT to put laws in place to enforce this, but rather see to it, that all citizens should have a choice to decide without intimidation of losing their jobs. They should not be fearful or feel threatened.


As it is, in my opinion, to be forced to pay union fees to keep your job is nothing short of extortion. I also see it that many unions are nothing more than a tool by liberal politicians to buy more power at the expense of hard working Americans. This RTW law will liberate “hoosiers” the opportunity for business growth and the ability to attract more jobs. The way I clearly see it, I would rather have some good jobs at good wages than no jobs at unaffordable wages.


According to Gov Mitch Daniels, Indiana is losing out on one-third of new business opportunities due to the lack of this RTW law. Statistics show that RTW states have lower unemployment rates than states without RTW.


Private sector job growth increased more in RTW states than Non-RTW states – BLS


· 32% growth in RTW states (1990 – 2010)


· 10% growth in non‐RTW states (1990 – 2010)


Personal Income grew more in RTW states than Non-RTW states – Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA); BLS


· 112.3% growth in RTW states between (1990 – 2010)


· 105% growth in non‐RTW states between (1990 – 2010)



Last year, the house democrats decided to flee the state rather than do the job they were hired to do and that is vote on laws brought forth by the people. Will they do it again, is yet to be determined, but the bottom line for me is doing what is best for the people of this state. I think in the present state of economy, job creation is first and foremost. This RTW will be a step in the right direction to achieve this.


Right-to-Work States

Private Sector Job Growth
Private Sector Job Growth

Comments 52 comments

geordmc 4 years ago from Beliot, Wisconsin

Living in WI. I also think that having to pay union dues is nothing but legalized theft of wages. I HAD to join a union for a couple of jobs where it boiled down to pay or get fired. The unions were so ineffective they shouldn't have been there. They were also so cheap that at REQUIRED meetings they couldn't or wouldn't even pay for coffee for the members, and the meetinge were a waste of time.


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rachellrobinson 4 years ago from Southwest Missouri

Missouri has been trying to get a Right to Work law passed for some time. My father in law has been a union worker for years and has admitted that if the state ever becomes a right to work state he will gladly leave the Union.

Rachel


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michiganman567 4 years ago from Michigan

Interesting figures. Maybe Right to work will stop these unions from being money laundering organizations for the Democratic party.


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

@ geo,

I'm sure the Union boss was driving a brand spanking new car to those meetings, wasn't he?

It is borderlining the Mafia, the way I see it.

Thanks for your comments geo.

Chris


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

@ rachell,

I believe there are many, many folks, JUST like your father who would gladly leave the union if they had the choice.

Thanks Rach


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

@ michiangman,

It will, without a doubt impact the political giving, that is for sure.

Chirs


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Becky Katz 4 years ago from Hereford, AZ

I have never lived in a non-RTW state. I would not care to have to be in a Union. There are disadvantages to living in a RTW state also. They can get rid of you just because they do not like you. I have seen this happen to someone who was a hard worker and was never late or broke any of the rules. She just spoke her mind and if you didn't like it, too bad. Her supervisor didn't like it when she was told that the only reason she had a job was because her daddy was one of the higher ups. She was gone the next day. A Union would have protected her from her big mouth. The supervisor was totally useless. We had to do her job too.


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vrajavala 4 years ago from Port St. Lucie

There is a Supreme Court case coming up re: Labor unions' requiring obligatory dues from teachers who totally disagree with the unions' agenda.


geordmc 4 years ago from Beliot, Wisconsin

I think his car was a year old. Unlike mine which was 10 and counting.


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JamesPoppell 4 years ago

The bottom line is that unions are run by liberal left wing thugs. I saw this tragedy in action one to many times when I lived in California. You are absolutely right when you talk about extortion! Thank you for writing this hub. A vote up and a tweet.


richfsr 4 years ago

I'm screwed. I'm in an entrenched Democrat state of Connecticut. I'm drowning in Liberals. Drowning in Union controlled jobs. (What there is of them.) We just got a corrupt liberal Governor. I'm doomed, doomed, doomed.


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MelissaVsWorld 4 years ago from Here, There, and Everywhere. USA

I agree that people should have a choice whether or not they join the union at their current or perspective employer. The only problem with this is, in my opinion and from experience, there will be a difference in treatment from the supervisors between union and non-union employees.


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

Becky,

Unions are still prevalent in RTW states if the people choose. On the flip side of your story, I have seen people completely NOT do their job, and still get to keep it, BECAUSE of a Union.

Thanks for sharing your opinion Becky, I always welcome you and appreciate you.

Chris


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

vrajavala,

the bottom line is that it is EXTORTION! Plain and simple, and it needs to be stopped.

Thanks for your comment!

:)

Chris


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Dexter Yarbrough 4 years ago from United States

Good for Indiana! I hope it goes through. I have always worked in non-RTW states. It is time for change. Great, informative hub!


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

Hi geo,

After some research, the Average pay for the top 10 Union leaders is over $200,000 a year! The NEA leader makes just under $400,000 per year...now THAT is in the best interest of our Children, huh?


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

JamesPoppell, Thank you for sharing your comments....it really is, extortion, yet it has been going on for year without any real criticism...do you think if the republican party was getting 98% of that money, the MSM would be okay with it?

I appeciate you coming by....

Chris


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

richfsr, hang in there brother, maybe we can get the trend to turn the other way in 2012!

Thanks for your comment...

:)


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

MelissaVsWorld, you probably are correct, but things has got to change....our economy cannot continue the way it is.

I appeciate you coming by,

Chris


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

Thanks Dexter!...I always appeciate your comments.

Chris


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JamesPoppell 4 years ago

CMerrit, If the Republican party was getting 98% of the money I think the MSM would flip out like they usually do. It seems like the left can do no wrong when it comes to them. My personal opinion would be to get rid of the unions entirely and then to put some checks and balances in to protect employees from being harassed & mistreated.


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breakfastpop 4 years ago

Given the choice many, many union workers would leave the union. Sadly, our president is for them hook, line and sinker.


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

Are we not supposed to have choices? I thought OBAMA was pro-choice?

If Indiana wins this, it could set up other states to follow.

Thanks BP


geordmc 4 years ago from Beliot, Wisconsin

@BPOP

Of course he is! Without unions to back him he couldn't keep a job, That was my main complaint when I was in a union, they stole MY money and used it for political ends that I didn't agree with.


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

according to foxnews: Federal records show labor unions spent close to $100 million in the 2010 midterm cycle — over $20 million more than what they spent in 2008


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lifegate 4 years ago from Pleasant Gap, PA

CM,

"...to be forced to pay union fees to keep your job is nothing short of extortion." I love it! Could this be considered a rant? Rant on!


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WD Curry 111 4 years ago from Space Coast

Florida is a right to work state. It works alright if there is work.

The labor laws are tough in favor of the worker, here. You wouldn't know it though. Sometimes a company will go for years with a policy or practice that is illegal. Some sharp lawyer gets wind of it and the lawsuit begins. Once, I got a check for over a grand for the break time I had been shorted.


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

Yes! I tried not to rant, but darn it, I still did!

Thanks lifegate, good to see you.

Chris


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

WD, I think we need to re-visit labor laws, and come up with some that protect both workers and employers that is fair.

The bottom line is that we need J O B S...

Thanks for the comment,

:)


richfsr 4 years ago

Here is my take on Unions. I spent 30 years in management and only 1 year in a union. I worked my way up the ladder in a non union environment to management. I was paid for my ability, dependability,willingness to do anything asked of me. This also carried over to my management positions. I was compensated well for my efforts.

After that company closed, I worked for a union shop for a year. First thing I noticed is how little my fellow workers would do. In fact they spent more time trying to get out of work, than they did working. Their attendance was poor. Yet, these folks got paid as much as me or more yet did half of what I could do. The union was telling them to slow down so they could get more overtime. Then when the company lost a contract and had to lay off personnel, guess who got the ax? The new employees who did a better job because they weren't brainwashed by the Union yet. So in the end, my take on Unions is that they are an extreme Socialist organization that rewards poor workmanship and performance. They need to be outlawed. We have ample labor laws to protect employees. And in most cases, unless you are a total ass-hole, most companies will not screw you over. Those few that do.....Leave!!!!


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b. Malin 4 years ago

Being Forced to join a Union never did seem Fair...Twice in two jobs over the years my Husband was Forced to join a Union, and was even told whom to Vote for. Very Good and timely Hub CMerritt. It certainly has stirred up some good Comments.


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The Frog Prince 4 years ago from Arlington, TX

We should have the right to work where we please without having to pay for a job where the union fat cats skim the dues for their own benefit and their political interests. What a bunch of BS unions have become. It needs to be over.

The Frog


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

Rich,

I cannot tell you of the number of stories similar to yours of cases of people who worked hard was not rewarded, but those who avoided as much work as possible was looked upon as "sticking it to the man" and got the same "raises" when it was time.

I am glad to see you post your story, I think more people need to hear from folks like yourself, to better understand the mentality of the enviroment that SOME Unions can have on their people and how that effects our economy.

Great post,

Chris


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

b.Malin,

Some unions have the "mafia" mentality...you better do as they tell you or there could be trouble.

Thank you for your comments and your support.

Chris


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

Frog prince, I agree with you....at one time, I really think Unions was a good thing, and they played an important part in fair play, but they have become TOO powerful and corrupt.

Thanks, always good to hear from you,

Chris


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WillStarr 4 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

Skilled trade unions have their place, but the unskilled and government unions are nothing but far left cesspools.


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

Actually Will, I agree very much with you, and you make a great point. I am very familiar with the IBEW, and they are some of the best electricians in the business.

they are well trained and continue to stay on top of the codes and standards.

As you point out, it is the non-skilled and government unions, that I am primarly focused on.

thanks for your comment Will...It helps to clarify and adds to the conversation of this hub.


Sueswan 4 years ago

Hi Chris,

Keep on ranting.

I am not a fan of unions.

Employees should not have to work under unfair working conditions but unions have become too big and powerful. Rather than negotiating, they use bullying tactics.

Voted up and awesome.


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

I agree Sue, and until we pull them in, and under control, we will continue to lose jobs.

Thanks for coming by,

Chris


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WD Curry 111 4 years ago from Space Coast

Jobs are not as much of a problem as we think. We can overcome that. It will have to be a grass roots approach. We can't wait for D.C. I was a vocational instructor for ten years. There is no money in it, but you see how it all works better from that perspective.

We need to change our production and distribution model to survive this situation. No CEO, no executive board . . . there is a board, but it is cross representative, no SEC. We don't need government to make some sound decisions in the private sector to move this forward.

I am frustrated. I have no program or vocational component to my business. It is how we will solve entitlement problems. Teach skills and attitude. Reward of work and pay is great, and I have seen it work miracles with my own eyes.

Give me your first time offenders. They will learn a job they like to do. They need a place to live away from their thug support group. They will need to make decent money to keep them interested. Forget donating your money to poloticians to run for office. Give it to me and I will put it to work!


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WD Curry 111 4 years ago from Space Coast

There is a new development in Florida. They are privatizing the prisons and community supervision (probation). The Teamsters are trying to get in on the act and "represent" the prison guards and probation officers, and counselors in court ordered drug and abuser intervention classes.

This is not left wing, it is organized crime.


richfsr 4 years ago

The Teamsters will probably get their way because the left wing liberal idiot bleeding hearts around this country have managed to take most of the social service jobs and high government positions.


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J Elaine 4 years ago from Northern Minnesota

Sorry so late to the party. Good hub and comments from all!

I live in MN which has been dominated by liberal Dems and unions all my life. The unions are totally to blame for ruining the mining industry in this state. Anybody who "worked" in the mines made 3 times anybody else and didn't have to work at all. Big surprise that couldn't last forever.

Scott Walker from WI is my hero. He knew what he would face by taking on the union thugs and he had the balls to do it anyway and won. What you probably didn't know about that story is that the teachers union had their own private health insurance company that was costing the state billions. They had a monopoly, so they would jack the rates up at will and give all the profits to the Dems. The Dems own private slush fund! After Walker got rid of it, schools who were millions in the red immediately were in the black.

Kudos to Indiana and your great Governor Mitch Daniels. I wish he was running for pres!


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Credence2 4 years ago from Florida (Space Coast)

More power to Indiana, CM, but the balance between fair wages and decent working conditions against overbearing union influence still needs to be determined. Obviously that is being determined in Indiana, many of the rest of us in other states are still working the multiple variables involved.


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

@ WD,

Yes, It IS organized crime....when extortion is committed by an organization... it IS a crime.

Does it look like Florida will win the privatizing of the prisons and community supervision?

This has got to save million of Tax payers dollars and create thousands of jobs.

I appreciate your input.

Chris


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

rich,

I hope you are wrong...I think ONCE Americans SEE that good paying jobs can be created WITHOUT the help of organized crime...things will begin to swing back to the right.

Chris


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

J Elaine,

That is very interesting about the miners in MN. also I never knew that about the teachers union private HC.

Yes, Scott Walker and Mitch are PROVING we CAN live within our means...

Great post,

Chris


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

Cred,

I think action is louder than words....the moves that Indiana is making IS making a difference. We have removed our debt, people are slowly going back to work.

We are on the cusps of breaking loose from this burden of debt and over gov spending in this state.

Chris


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htodd 4 years ago from United States

Hope it will so..Thanks for that


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

If the democrats continue to NOT show up to do the job they were ELECTED to do,...and that is VOTE for issues either YES or NO....

They should be fired if they cannot show up for work they are being PAID to do...I know if I decided to just NOT show up to my job, because I did not agree with my boss....I would be fired and understandbly so.


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James A Watkins 4 years ago from Chicago

Great Hub! The statistics you quoted tell us all we need to know about Right to Work. What could be more basic than a right to work anyway?

I love these words of yours: "In a free society, . . . we should not be forced to pay for unwanted union representation if we so desire."

Right on!

Your commenter above, "richfsr," who I see is now banned from HubPages . . . :D . . . has it exactly right. His words bear repeating:

"I worked for a union shop for a year. First thing I noticed is how little my fellow workers would do. In fact they spent more time trying to get out of work, than they did working. Their attendance was poor. . . . The union was telling them to slow down so they could get more overtime. . . . my take on Unions is that they are an extreme Socialist organization that rewards poor workmanship and performance. They need to be outlawed. We have ample labor laws to protect employees."

Brilliant!


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CMerritt 4 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana Author

Thanks James, and I did not know that richfsr was banned!

His words were very compelling and correct.

Thank you, you were one of the hubbers who inspired me to right this.

Chris

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