Censorship on Hub Pages

I'm normally a very law-abiding, easy-going sort of person. I just go along with things; it's in my nature to follow along with the rules and hope for the best. I just found this in my email:

Hello,

Greg Sage has posted in the forums citing several hubs that "attack" him. After repeated complaints from other users about these hubs, we ask that all be unpublished. One of your Hubs was listed by Greg in his post:
http://paradise7.hubpages.com/hub/Greg-Sage-and-His-Possibly-Unhealthy-Relationship-with-a-Petite-Lap-Giraffe

Please modify or unpublish this Hub at your earliest convenience.

--
Thanks,
Team HubPages

Well!! I was more than a bit astounded by this request. Command. Request? Not sure from the tone of it whether it was a request or a command; in any case, I'll follow along, I'll delete that hub. I'm very sorry if I offended anyone at all. I KNOW I didn't offend Greg--his style of humour is very satirical. He, in fact, LIKED my hub and I was very FLATTERED by that. Having written well over 100 hubs, I have NEVER attempted humour here on HubPages before, and needless to say...I never will again.

I'm going to abide by the HubPages team dictate. I do think they are a little overanxious to appease that segment of HubPages afficiondos who apparently don't realize that the whole thing with Greg and Biblicaliving was a gigantic send-up, and to me, personally, HILARIOUS! My feeble attempt at humour, my very first stab at doing what these people do so well, was slapped with the dreaded HubPages ultimatum--DELETE THIS, OR ELSE! (Not really, not quite. The email is courteous enough in tone, as you can read for yourself.)

Greg left a comment on that disputed ole hub of mine, that he has been banned for three days, and we may see the demise of Greg Sage and his wonderful menagerie of helpers here on HubPages soon.

Oh, I hope not. I really hope not. I enjoy Greg Sage's sense of humour SO VERY MUCH! He is so inventive, so cunning, so FUNNY, darn it!

He also mentioned that Biblicaliving has had to unpublish a hub, too. And I don't think I've had a chance to read it yet!!!

Wooohooo. Give yourselves a pat on the back, o thou HubPages censors. For putting yet another bullet in the back of free speech, and humour. ( I wonder if the HP people who wanted this hub and BL's hub gone and who've banned Greg for three days are the same people who wanted Lenny Bruce in jail.)

Okay, deep breaths, cool down, back off a bit...I realize we don't have unbridled freedom here on HubPages, and in many ways HubPages is much better for that...no one has to put up with language that's adult, or adult porn content, or anything too groady or offensive. In many ways, that makes HubPages not only unique in the industry but ideal for people of taste.

The thing about humour, though, is...I don't know how to put this concept into words. Humour, of its very nature, can possibly be offensive to a small group of people, because what's funny is what we are sending up, or making fun of...it could be a serious or sensitive issue with some other people. That's the whole point with satire, with wit that has an edge of sarcasm, of humour that's based on hyperbole. In other words, the thing that makes one person laugh like crazy can put another person into a right snit! And humour has always been that way--a very dodgy thing, but I wouldn't want to live in a world without it...

That's why I don't think we should have been censored for our humour; neither Greg Sage or Biblicaliving, or myself.

However, I'm nothing if not obedient, so...Goodbye sweet PLG and all references to helper monkeys or any vaguely repellent personal habits of anyone's.



I've added a bit to this hub. I had some of my Facebook family attempt to read or share the original article with some of their friends, and found it unpublished, and wondered why. I got some emails as well as some comments about it.

One thing that makes me docilely remove a hub at the HubPages team suggestion is just the matter of ownership. To my mind, because I don't pay one single dime for the use of this website, the HubPages team basically owns the site. Therefore, if they want me to unpublish something, I will cooperate. I don't believe I have a choice. It is THEIR site, therefore, it is THEIR choice, what gets published and what gets unpublished.

To my mind, it's like an online magazine, and I get to read the magazine for free and even get published in it. But I don't OWN the magazine. The HubPages people do...so, they get to determine the content. That really is fair on many levels.

This little hub about censorship was more about misunderstood humour; I don't question that they have the right to determine the content and can legitimately ask me to remove something at their will.

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biblicaliving profile image

biblicaliving 3 years ago from U.S.A.

Paradise, it took me two years to recover from the wicked "ban hammer," but I'm back now...


Paradise7 profile image

Paradise7 5 years ago from Upstate New York Author

You're welcome!


Storytellersrus profile image

Storytellersrus 5 years ago from Stepping past clutter

Thank you Paradise7! What a sweet promise!


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Greg Sage 5 years ago from Orlando, Florida

Hmmm... I'm always somewhere between none at all, and needing twice as many hours in the day.

I honestly can't remember the last time I was "bored."


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Paradise7 5 years ago from Upstate New York Author

Thanks, Tammy. I know what you mean. I seem to alternate between all kinds of time on my hands, and none at all! I'm glad you found a couple of new writers, especially if they are who I think they are.


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Tammy Lochmann 5 years ago

Hi Paradise....I have still been reading but not having time to spend on my favorite site because of well...life. You are a great writer and I have been a fan since day one. Keep it up for those of us who can't.

Because of this I now have some new writers to follow.

Tammy


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Paradise7 5 years ago from Upstate New York Author

I absolutely agree.


H P Roychoudhury profile image

H P Roychoudhury 5 years ago from Guwahati, India

Freedom of writing should be honoured.


Paradise7 profile image

Paradise7 5 years ago from Upstate New York Author

Hey, Mark, thanks for the visit...I LOVED your "Stickman" hub the other day, as a matter of fact, it made me laugh so much I must re-visit it. That Picasso Stickman was a CLASSIC! (Also the Stickman with his head up his butt!)

Greg, you did it again. "How to summon Batman when Gotham..." Man oh man, I laughed half my butt off, and the other half is sitting here in the chair, going, " I learned pooh-throwing from the Master!"


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Mark Ewbie 5 years ago from Euroland

Funnily enough Greg, and I admit to searching for my name, this was not one of those occasions. I was looking through Hot Hubs wondering where the never mind were mine, and why were they all yours, and I noticed this page.

I entered it thinking it was part of your master plan, then realised it wasn't exactly, spotted your comment and... you don't believe me do you?

Anyway I'm off now to write a hub that contains every single hubber's name, in the hope they all do that searching thing.


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Greg Sage 5 years ago from Orlando, Florida

Admit it, Mark. You showed up here because you searched your own name, and this thread showed up because of my comment.

AHA!

At least I know how to summon Batman now if Gotham is ever really in trouble.

:)


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Mark Ewbie 5 years ago from Euroland

Funny and satire don't always work. Some people can easily read it and take away the wrong message, it's a great shame you got busted.

As for Greg and his "I can't stand him comment" above, well... I'm going to be honest here. I admit to a certain jealousy or professional envy. Does professional envy sound better? Let's go with that.

He comes to HP, is immediately popular, his giraffes are everywhere and... he is damn funny.

I need to get over myself. Good luck to you all.


Paradise7 profile image

Paradise7 5 years ago from Upstate New York Author

I love that last comment of yours, Greg, seriously now for one and a half seconds. And I also love (PLEASE check this out my great fellow hubbers) what you put in the last car on the train of your "Make Money on HubPages" hubs, about censorship.

Your style is inimitable, and for me, you're the funniest man in show business, oops, I mean HubPages.

I enjoy many people's delicious sense of the sublimely ridiculous here on HubPages, and one BIG reason I wrote this thing on censorship is that I don't want anyone to get discouraged from writing funny stuff, just because the

Po-lice

don't like it.

We can't go all bland and oatmealy....that's just...boring as watching bread rise, watching the laundry spin, or making soap!


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Greg Sage 5 years ago from Orlando, Florida

Just wanted to add:

Paradise7 is great... Biblicaliving , Jeanie, Tom, Phil, Flora, Spock, Jason, Julip, and the rest of them too. I love these guys. How many people in the world really get you? Does your spouse? Do your siblings? These folks get me even if the world doesn't. Heck, I love Mark Ewbie and Psycheskinner even though they can't stand me.

Let's just call the whole thing my fault, keep on trucking and do this:

Howsabout for any of you out there that have been just following the formula... reading up on how to pick long tail keywords, measure keyword density, and crap out a daily can of spam...

Try this for one day:

Assume those "experts" are wrong. Assume that fulfillment in life isn't going to come from grubbing over Adsense crumbs.

Forget all of it and write something just to express yourself. Who are you? Why are you here on this earth? To sell one more widget? Really?

Just remind yourself and the world for one day that you're not a machine programmed to maximize revenues. Do it.. and for no good reason at all.

Write about life.

Write about love.

Write about joy and pain,

sunshine and rain

and mysteries above.

Just because.

Namaste.


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Greg Sage 5 years ago from Orlando, Florida

1 Flying under the radar isn't really my bag. The thread mentioned was really only a miserable last minute-in-the-day echo of the one that got newcomer BL 125 views in 3 hours:

http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/78624#post1700039

Shameless? Yes... but it's not technically SELF-promotion... or breaking any TOS.

The joke should be immediately obvious to anyone who looked at the hub in question since it features a different picture of the same mic used in my avatar. Obviously anyone who took any part of it seriously did NOT look at the hub... unless they thought I actually AM a microphone and actually WAS disturbed that my Facebook account had been hacked and BL had found private pictures of me. To those folks, apologies.

On me, obviously, for steering off a cliff Thelma and Louise style. If the articles had been more PRO-Sage, I'm sure the thread would have taken a different turn, but what fun would that have been?

Apparently I didn't tip my hand to quite the degree intended.

2 People often give things a 5 second glance without grasping any of the irony. (Which is to be expected, frankly... especially of busy staff) This can happen with the best of intentions, and I assume it did.

3 A couple folks in particular (not HP staff) seem to truly believe they are doing the world a favor by flagging people for anything they deem self-promotion...

... then they turn right back around and dispense advice on how to join link farms and fill the internet with spam and their tedious infomercials.

So... is it 1, 2, or 3?

All of the above.

So be it.

Gotta be me... although I suppose I COULD tone down the rhetoric in the forums just one teensy notch.

You realize, of course, that would mean I'd have to turn it UP in the hubs by at least 10x that amount, though...


Paradise7 profile image

Paradise7 5 years ago from Upstate New York Author

Thanks for the comment, tsadjatko


tsadjatko profile image

tsadjatko 5 years ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

How about people who don't publish your comment simply because it is true and their hub is a lie? but hey that's no worse than whatthe media does everyday.


Paradise7 profile image

Paradise7 5 years ago from Upstate New York Author

Hey, Sally!!! Thanks for stopping by. You'll enjoy the pants offa Greg, I'm sure! I just put the disputed hub back up, with a disclaimer, in hopes that will satisfy the...%@$#@ HP PO-LICE.


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Truckstop Sally 5 years ago

Please, please write more humor -- as I never saw the hub in question. And, of course -- I'm headed over to Greg Sage's site -- to see what all the fuss is about.


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Paradise7 5 years ago from Upstate New York Author

Ah, I see now why they wanted me to take it down. Greg does what he does, way too well!

PS, I noticed they closed that forum for reply, so they want it to disappear.


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Paradise7 5 years ago from Upstate New York Author

Thanks for the comment, uninvited writer, and thanks even more for putting the link to the forum post into your comment. I never got a chance to read it, and I looked for it but couldn't find quickly, so I thought they might have taken it down. I'm going there right now to see what I can see. I imagine you're right--it just isn't everyone's brand of comedy, and might not have struck MANY people as funny; they might have taken it seriously, then flagged the pertinent hubs.


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Uninvited Writer 5 years ago from Kitchener, Ontario

He didn't sound like he found it humorous. I can usually identify sarcasm or satire. I didn't see any humour in that thread so someone else might have easily reported it because of what Greg said.

http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/79018


Paradise7 profile image

Paradise7 5 years ago from Upstate New York Author

Storyteller, stay with us. We'll protect you, with the help of the whole animal kingdom.


Storytellersrus profile image

Storytellersrus 5 years ago from Stepping past clutter

Paradise7, yes I do tend to take things too seriously at times! Still, I find it a bit disturbing. Thank you so much for this great hub. Voted useful and up!


Paradise7 profile image

Paradise7 5 years ago from Upstate New York Author

Thanks for the comment, Green Lotus. I wondered where you went, and missed you, for I haven't read anything from you in what seems a long time.

I understand the "Google economics" thing..."Google economics" makes the world go 'round. That's a lullaby my mom used to sing me to sleep with.


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Green Lotus 5 years ago from Atlanta, GA

It's all a bit daunting and I'm so sorry about your hub being flagged. I've fallen victim to the same, and have since expanded my horizons, publishing more on my own domains. So many of the reasons for flagging a Hub are grounded in "Google economics". Keep smiling. Cheers


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Paradise7 5 years ago from Upstate New York Author

Storyteller, I don't really think it's as rampant as all that. We people who like to be funny, or at least like to think we are funny, also indulge in a bit of hyperbole from time to time...I've been writing on here for almost two years, and nothing else of mine has been hit with the UGLY stick. So, from my perspective, I'll keep going with HP. I don't want to chase fine people like yourself away from HP.


Storytellersrus profile image

Storytellersrus 5 years ago from Stepping past clutter

I am surprised to discover a minority dictates policy here! I had no idea. Is this rampant?


Paradise7 profile image

Paradise7 5 years ago from Upstate New York Author

Thank you so much Frank, for your kind moral support. No worries, this too shall pass!


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Paradise7 5 years ago from Upstate New York Author

Oh my lovely folks!! Dear Epi, and Sweetie Pie, and Ahorseback, and Senorjohn, and Jeannieinabottle, and Cogerson, many of whom I've been following for YEARS, how very kind and supportive you are to me. I'm deeply grateful and very reassured by your comments. I'm reassured by your attitude about what is GOOD on HubPages, what we LIKE TO READ. I hope the HubPages team is listening.

And I really hope that Eduardo and Jerry, spooning through the wall in the basement with the backpack of loaded KoolAid, will return to us intact, for a comeback of no mean proportions!


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Frank Atanacio 5 years ago from Shelton

Chin up-- and just be stronger for it :) Frank


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Cogerson 5 years ago from Virginia

Sorry to hear your first attempt at humor was ended by the hub police. The hub police can be quite disturbing at times....I am sure another hubber flagged your Lap Giraffe hub and the hub police swept in and determined for the safety of the hub public your hub needed to be censored. I do not think the hub police have a sense of humor. But know that you have the moral support of most of the hub community.


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Jeannieinabottle 5 years ago from Baltimore, MD

Wow! I can't believe this type of crazy controversy is going on over a hub about mini-giraffe and concern over its owner. I do hope Greg does not leave either. What will happen to Jerry the giraffe and the helper monkey? What will he do with his spare time in the basement?


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seanorjohn 5 years ago

Paradise, sorry to hear you got hijacked by some computer bot. I have seen this before when satire is mistaken for insults.

Horseback may of hit on something. Perhaps if you turned it into poetry the Greg saga would have gone unnoticed.

This my first stab at poetry inspired by the words of horseback.

I once knew a hubber

who tried to sell a rubber

he wanted to make a dollar with google

cos he was fed up of living frugal


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ahorseback 5 years ago

Paradise , I think we should all get together and ask hubpages to ban all of the redundant instructional hubs like , 'how to eat a tomato properly', or 'all about mowing grass', or even 'how to make spagetti'! I have been looking for a place to write stories and poetry only , and eliminate all the hogwash. I have had a couple of "substandard" notifications too...:-}


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SweetiePie 5 years ago from Southern California, USA

Sorry to hear you were told what to write, that is not fun. Aya Katz started a new site called pubwages, where a lot of hubbers are writing more at. Maybe you could post this content there instead.


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epigramman 5 years ago

...believe me I have written about several taboo subjects but have managed to camouflage them in my own inimitable clever way - lol (a little self-congratulatory pat on the back) ....as I am first and foremost a story teller (I have only written one that would be consider personal or autobiographical) and most people are confused when I write in first person pronoun ....but that said, it's all in the way any writer uses his/her language to make a point however heinous or grim or happy or sad - and still convey the intellect and the emotions within to make a strong, valid and persuasive point.

Love your writing in this piece by the way - you are courageous, brave, independent, proud, fiesty, inquisitive, and definitely my hero for having the guts and freedom to speak your mind - as you walk the walk and talk the talk.

lake erie time 12:45am with a full moon over the lake


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Paradise7 5 years ago from Upstate New York Author

Ah, dear Peter, thank you so much for stopping by, and for your vote of confidence!! I'm sorry you missed it, too, it really got quite a rave in certain circles...I think they're trying to maintain very high quality standards, at least I think that until I read some hubs when hub-hopping that are simply awful! But still out there, apparently not in violation of the Humour Police.


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PETER LUMETTA 5 years ago from KENAI, ALAKSA

Paradise! how idiotic are these censors? I am really sorry I missed that HUB it sounds like a real winner.

Don't you dare go anywhere, I hope Greg doesn't either. If we can't laugh at ourselves why are we here? It seems in the email that they are blaming Greg for you having to take down your Hubs. I think that they need a little oversight by someone at Hubpages in cases like this. I think they are doing it so they can get a better price when they go to sell it. Just Kidding...not. Peter


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Paradise7 5 years ago from Upstate New York Author

Thanks for the comment, marellen. Most folks found it quite funny, I'm sorry you missed it! But hey, that's the way things go sometimes. I don't find your work here on HubPages to be derivative at all, so I'm very surprised you got hit with the dupe content thingy. You're like me--you'll just go along with and keep hubbing.

Love from Paradise


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Paradise7 5 years ago from Upstate New York Author

Thanks for the comment, Phil. I really, really, hope we don't lose Greg from HubPages. I'll have to send my helper-ferrets to the rescue!


marellen 5 years ago

Not knowing what hub got deleted, its hard for me to comment. But I know they have said I duplicate work and I just go ahead a delete the hub even though I have some choice words to say. Well, I think you still have your humor though.


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Phil Plasma 5 years ago from Montreal, Quebec

Greg and I joined at about the same time, I've been reading most of what he is writing and agree he can be very entertaining. As my worker monkeys are still on strike, I have no rescue team ready to recapture Jeremy.


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Paradise7 5 years ago from Upstate New York Author

Thank you so much for the moral support, Stevennix. I've been a follower of yours for a long time, and enjoy your movie reviews SO MUCH! You are right on the money, every time.

As far as this thing goes, Greg was KIDDING!! I don't think he wanted either Biblicaliving or myself to be censored by our send-up of him. I thought the whole thing was really, really funny, especially Greg and his satire, his satirical reactions to things. He's one funny guy, and if you like humour, I'd recommend him, provided he comes back.

It must have been some other hubbers that either got tired of the whole thing or didn't realize it was a JOKE! That happens sometimes here on HubPages.

You know, it's a first for me...to have to take down a hub. I've never had that happen before, and it's a bit of a shock! I'll get over it, though. You know...you just move on...


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Stevennix2001 5 years ago

Aw I'm sorry to hear you got one of your hubs unpublished Paradise, as I know how you feel. I've had some hubs unpublished before for different reasons. Although I didn't read the hub that you're talking about, I am sorry to hear that hubpages forced you to take it down. It's rather sad, as you always struck me as one of the nicest people here, so I can't imagine why anyone would misread your hub into thinking it was a personal attack. I tell you, some people are way too sensitive these days.

This is kind of why I always put up disclaimers if I ever decide to do a comedy bit on here, like you saw from my "Scream 4" review. Anyways, I'm sorry to hear that happened to you, but I'm glad this incident hasn't discouraged you from still writing here, as I know hubpages wouldn't be the same without you. :) Keep up the good work.

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