Depersonalizing the HubPages Experience

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Community Options Disappear

Today I posted the following question. “What happened to the BUTTON allowing us to share a good or interesting hub to our HP followers?” Some of you will shake your heads when reading this and wonder how a grown woman can be so out of touch with the ins and outs of he HP corporation. Fair enough.

OK, a little background about me then. I am not averse to making money. Currently I make 10-12 dollars a month on Hub Pages without really trying very hard at all. That’s cool. After all ten dollars is ten dollars.

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Management Decisions Affect Labor


But I have a full-time and demanding day job that keeps me very busy. So I read what I like and I write what I want on HP, but I do not follow Questions or Forums or Weekly News-letters or Pronouncements from on HubPages high.

I do not usually know about changes to HP’s format, regulations or platform, until they smack me in the face. Not being able to find or use the SHARE with Followers button smacked me in the face.

I will admit to sharing my own hubs, but the great majority of the time I hit the Share button when I wanted to share a good piece of work with friends and community members who might otherwise have missed it.

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A Long-time HP Community Member Speaks


So I posted the Question : “What happened to the BUTTON allowing us to share a good or interesting hub to our HP followers?”

The first HubPages member to respond was Jaye Wisdom:

Many of us want it back, but I doubt we'll get it. According to Simone's reply on a forum about this issue (who obviously felt the need to leave her mark on HP during her final week), she lobbied to get it removed mainly because she didn't think it looked good or blended with other options. Go figure!

If I seem disgruntled, it's because I am. The option to share a hub with followers was another positive element of HP that is no longer available...for no good reason and without allowing HP members to voice an opinion before the fact.

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Labor is Frustrated and Confused


I responded to Jaye, of course:

Thank you Jaye. Since I avoid the forums I missed all that. Its funny, I used to think HP was arrogant and didn't care that much about hubbers. Now I think they are short-sighted, not terribly smart and are quite willing to shoot themselves in the foot.

What rational business, removes a feature that has no real downside, but is obviously popular with and appreciated by its customers? Only a short-sighted, not terribly smart business.

Funny, with all the buttons and methods clearly displayed on the right side of each Hub, to encourage us to link to many other social media sites, you would think that having one, just "one" button, for serious writers, poets, and thinkers to share work with each other wouldn't be too much to ask.

But apparently, one of HP's unspoken goals is to “weaken community bonds and connections" on this platform while increasing revenue. Increasing revenue is understandable.

Removing the Share button is not. It seems like the action of an arrogant and cranky corporate bully. How sad that the management of HP thinks so little of their users and customers.


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Other Hubbers Weigh In


Theater girl, a great Hubber, responded: I know! Where did it go?

Audrey Howitt, our poetry princess, responded: Well rats!

Theater Girl responded: Definitely a mistake on their part.

Jaye Wisdom, who writes essays and short stories, responded again: ...I noticed the forum at the top of my feed this morning. Needless to say, I agree with your assessment: short-sighted, not terribly smart.

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I wonder how many long-time hubbers, the faithful ones who have been here for a long time, who contribute to HP regularly, and who help generate HP’s "income" through the advertisements attached to their hubs…

I wonder how many of them have noticed this new, disruptive, disheartening, and entirely unnecessary change? If you are new here, are purely commercially focused, or have no desire to belong to or function within a supportive community, then you may not have noticed and this may be no loss to you.

But it is a very, very big loss to many of us.

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HubPages really should make the right and community-oriented decision.

HubPages should restore the "Share with Followers" option.

Is anyone at HubPages listening? Anyone at All?


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The Share Function is Up and Operational


First, thank you so much for your concern and for responding. If we are indeed a community with community concerns, then from time to time we need to respond like a community.

Second, as you probably have noticed, the Share function has been returned and as far as I can tell is operational on everyone's hubs. We all hope this is permanent. Thank you HubPages.

Third, I cannot take responsibility or credit for this (it would be nice if I could). After I posted my hub yesterday, someone pointed me toward the forums where quite a few hubbers had been voicing their concerns and complaints for about twenty hours.

Fourth, I am still glad I wrote the hub. It was a great exercise in "speaking Truth to Power" which we all need to do from time to time. And it was gratifying and encouraging that so many people responded. We are a community of many intertwined communities here on HP and that counts for something. :) Thank you. Theresa

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Theater girl 3 years ago from New Jersey

Great job! I hope more people read this, oops! Can't hit that button! A passionate piece!


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phdast7 3 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

Thank you Theater girl. I appreciate your support and encouragement. My apologies for not asking permission before I included your comments. I hoped you wouldn't mind since you had already posted them openly. Thanks again. Theresa


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Sunny River 3 years ago from A Place Without A Name which resides somewhere between Fantasy and Belief, just north of Reality

I saw your question pop up on my feed earlier but my phone wouldn't let me respond! I completely agree. It's ridiculous that they took it away and I'm glad someone is saying something about it!


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Theater girl 3 years ago from New Jersey

No problem, anytime! Blessings to you.


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billybuc 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

Well Theresa, your last question was the most relevant....I don't think anyone on the HP staff cares and I certainly don't think they are listening.

I have known since the beginning that I am swimming upstream...I'm here for the community and to build my platform....earnings mean nothing to me since my style of writing will never generate income. I have much bigger fish to fry than the meager HP earnings...so when the staff makes a decision to screw with community, it does affect me.

You handled this very diplomatically my friend. Well done!

bill


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Millionaire Tips 3 years ago from USA

No worries. It is back.


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phdast7 3 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

Thank you so much for responding Sunny River. Your response, every response encourages me and many others. Maybe with enough responses we will get HP's attention... But even if we don't, we are by virtue of responding to one another demonstrating and strengthening the very "Community Spirit" that we value and know is important.

I would ask you to SHARE this with your like-minded hubbers, but oh, you can'y any more. I know you know that my sarcasm is certainly not directed at you. Thanks for weighing in on this issue and have a great week. :)


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xstatic 3 years ago from Eugene, Oregon

Great commentary Theresa! It is odd that some people seem to have it available and others do not, judging from some forum comments. I have not seen it for months.


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phdast7 3 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

Thank you Bill.

Like you I am here for the community,, the writing, the experience gained. HP staff so often don't seem to understand that their whole system works (is profitable) by making different kinds of writers fell welcome and supported. Maybe we will get lucky and they will listen this time. Blessings.

Theresa


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phdast7 3 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

Thanks for the heads up Millionaire Tips. Now let's just hope it stays up. Many of us will be very grateful. :)


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phdast7 3 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

Thank you xstatic. I wasn't aware that some had it and some didn't ... what is that all about?? What I noticed today was that when I tried to share something "New" the button was missing. Then I went back into both some other people's and my older hubs and the button was still there.

Millionaire just pointed out that the button had returned. I am glad, but I am also wary, wondering if this is a permanent change. Mayye go check out a few hubs and see .... I think that is what I will do. Hope you are having a great week. :) Theresa


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Kathryn Stratford 3 years ago from Manchester, Connecticut

I noticed it was gone part way through yesterday, because I was about to share a hub that was fantastic. I enjoy sharing hubs that I really like. I noticed, like Millionaire did, that it came back recently. I hope it does stay, because I would miss it greatly! Not only for my own desire to share, but also because I have discovered many, many wonderful hubs from others who shared. Some of them I may have never bumped into otherwise. And I think it looks fine! It doesn't clutter up the page at all.

It's nice that you are passionate enough about it to actually create a hub about it.


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phdast7 3 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

Hi Kathryn - It seems to be back (apparently, lots of folks in the forums were asking about it yesterday and today -- it was clearly a very unpopular change). Let's hope it stays. Theresa


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Faith Reaper 3 years ago from southern USA

I noticed that all the share buttons were gone yesterday or for maybe two days, but when they all returned, the HubPages Followers share button was still there, and is here now on this hub? So, I maybe I am missing something here? I know since I joined HP a little over a year ago, I remember reading when I joined that we cannot share our own hubs, but to share others' hubbers' hubs was okay, as that is the purpose of that share button. So, when I read a really great hub of a hubber I follow, and maybe the hub is an older one and I think it would be great to recirculate it, then I share it with my followers. I have never shared my own hub, as I read that I could not. I am sorry if I am missing something here?

God bless, Faith Reaper


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To Start Again 3 years ago

So many things around here come and go. The staff puts things into place that they think or hope will work and sometimes they do and sometimes they don't the 'share' button was a recent addition, along with the liking and tweeting options. For a changing world, perhaps. I, personally, never used the share button. Mostly because I never took the time to look into it. I imagined my followers would recieve an email or something about it and I know I don't want any more emails from hubpages than I already get so why would me followers? Just because I think something is read worthy doesn't mean anybody else will...Anyhow...I've been here a long time. I started in 2009 and I've seen alot of things come and go that I didn't like. But, sad to say, it doesn't usually matter what we think. It rarely changes anything.


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Faith Reaper 3 years ago from southern USA

I guess I am missing something here, as I have always seen all the share buttons, and just as I do right this second. The ads have moved all the share buttons down a bit on the page, but they are there as always, and were only gone for one day that I know of, and I thought that was due to technical issues? Sorry, for missing something here.

God bless, Faith Reaper


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phdast7 3 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

Hi Faith - You are right. All the Share buttons disappeared yesterday, but I wasn't aware of it until early this afternoon. I was concerned, posted a question, a few people responded so I made a Hub out of the comments. A couple of hours later the Share buttons reappeared. I am really glad of course, but I don't think it is because of my Hub, I think it was probably because of all the comments in the Forum yesterday and thi morning. I onlybecame aware of them after I wrote the Hub.

As for sharing our own hubs. HP discourages it, but they do permit it, if it is only done occasionally and infrequently. I only discovered this by accident a year ago when I noticed a hubber who shared 2 or 3 of his own hubs every day. So one day I tried it with a hub that I though was well written but had missed its target audience. When I clicked share I got a pop up that said something like, "Do you really want to do this? Don't do it too often"

That is really all I know. I hope they leave the share function in place. Even if they decide we can't share our own, I would really hate not to be able to share other peoples. Thanks for commenting. Theresa

Oh yes, earlier today I noticed the Share button was still on all the older hubs I looked at, just not on those posted in the last two days. That might explain some of the confusion. :)


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Faith Reaper 3 years ago from southern USA

Thanks, I thought I missed something. I don't think it would be very wise to remove any of the share buttons, hopefully, they know that would not be wise, as more traffic comes in, of course.

God bless, Faith Reaper


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phdast7 3 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

Hello To Start Again - I have been active on HP for about 21 months and you are right (1) changes come and go, (2) Hp does not seem to care whether we like the changes or not (3) they don't usually respond to our concerns or complaints (4) I still find HP to be a good writing platform.

I guess I do Share because I really value "quality" essays and poetry (not here to make any serious money so the commercial stuff is not my forte) and I assume other people are like me. There is far more posted every day than we can possibly read, so I like having 5 or 10 people's who work I trust and whose taste I know, make recommendations to me (sharing). Its kind of like selecting one book out of ten on the shelf because you like and or trust the critic's review. Anyway, that is how it works for me and thanks for your comments. I appreciate them.


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phdast7 3 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

They were removed briefly at Simone's request (according to about ten other hubbers). But it is are back and simply sits further down the page now. Interesting new picture. :) Take care. Theresa


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phdast7 3 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

Hi Faith - I totally agree, not a wise decision, which is why I jumped on the bandwagon and wrote a Hub. I had no idea they would bring them back so soon, although I certainly can't take credit for that. I am sure it was because so many people spoke up in the forums. All's well that ends well. :) Blessings! Theresa


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Mhatter99 3 years ago from San Francisco

Sone was listening. It's back. I must say Hubpages has the best community of any of the 10 I have written for. Even the ones that pay much more.


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Cantuhearmescream 3 years ago from New York

phdast7,

Well, can I kindly say 'Whoooo flippin' hoooooo!'? Thank you, thank you, a million times, thank you!!! Gee, I've had this hub open for hours and distractions have kept me from it. I'm so glad I finally got my butt over here. Yes, I noticed the button gone when I attempted to share a fellow hubber's hub and soon thereafter, I noticed the forums and Questions blowing up with concerns and confusion regarding the matter. I only discovered this option about a month ago or less and I love the concept. I don't spend much, if anytime on FB, Twitter or Pinterest, so I don't usually ha ve a desire to share through those site, unless something makes such a powerful statement that I just want the world to know how I feel about it. I spend my internet time on HP, almost 100% exclusively. Obviously, many of the hubs I read are not necessarily going to be read my followers/friends. When I find something interesting, beautiful, funny, etc., I want to share it with the people I have connections to. Pushing that button, no doubt, brings hubbers to a hub that might have otherwise never come. You mentioned the profitable factor and that these other social medias, in HP's opinion, are more profitable than sharing among the HP community. Do they realize that when a hub is shared within HP, the visitors to that shared hub might just push those social media buttons? I've been frustrated and irritated since I've noticed this... but I'm thinking we might have it back as I see it now as I type? At any rate, thanks for speaking up and out!

Awesome! Vote up and possibly every other blue button up there :D

Cat


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phdast7 3 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

Mhatter - I agree, it is by far the best community, which is why I am here and will stay here, even though some of their decisions are at times infuriating. I wish I could take credit for the Share function being back, but I can't. After I posted my hub someone pointed me to a thread in the forums where people had been expressing their concern, outrage, etc, for about twenty hours. Anyway, it is back and all is right with the world .... for now. :) Theresa


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pstraubie48 3 years ago from sunny Florida

Thanks for sharing this...you were very diplomatic in how you did so. I am here to write as writing is my passion. The community, those who come and read, are what keeps me writing in part but I also do it to give voice to things for which I feel passion. I only recently began to use the share button and loved it as it gave me a chance to share the works of those that I really admire. Maybe.....it will return...wishful thinking....

Angels are on the way ps


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Jools99 3 years ago from North-East UK

Well said Theresa! I don't even make $10 a month, I come here for the community spirit and to read great hubs about anything I like. I have actually gone onto Google to look for bits and bobs and ended up going to HP any way, knowing that I would probably find what I wanted there without traipsing through Google pages. I think removing the share button was misguided and a huge mistake - I can't believe that this was done without any sort of consultation with writers themselves. It's like they're all sitting upstairs smiling and looking down on us as strangers - and we're all beneath them shovelling sh*t!


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fpherj48 3 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

Well.....here.....taken away.......back again!! phdast7.....do you have magical powers? It seems the follow button was returned to us, in the time it took you to write this great hub!

Although it seems to be past-tense, at this point......I do agree with your hub. Thanks for speaking up for our community!...UP+++


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DDE 3 years ago from Dubrovnik, Croatia

Interesting and I didn't even notice the disappearance of the share button


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tillsontitan 3 years ago from New York

ITS BACK! It seems enough people popped onto that forum or answered that question, however you want to look at it, and Simone and others DID LISTEN!

I totally agree, our share button is part of our community! I always read hubs shared by my friends and followers, always. I never share a hub unless it is a great hub by my friends and followers so why remove our community spirit? Well, HP and Simone listened and our share is back!

Voted up and interesting.

Have a good day Theresa, your voice was heard.


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Frank Atanacio 3 years ago from Shelton

wow Phdast7 I hadn't noticed.. I share when I really want other people to see it.. but I checked and it's there .. maybe they were having a retooling shut-down I dunno.. but I agree with you and stand tall behind you


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Kathleen Cochran 3 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia

The thing I like most about HP is that when HP screws around with what they consider to be their product and what we hubbers consider to be our community, the community revolts. Someone once said, "A little revolution from time to time is a good thing." (No, professor, don't ask me who. Points off.) I appreciate the effort made here by my fellow hubbers while I was off enjoying a few days at the beach. You've looked out for all of us. That's HP - with or without income!


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Happyboomernurse 3 years ago from South Carolina

Glad this issue got addressed and was already resolved in favor of returning the share with hubbers option.

I rarely use it for my own hubs but as you, I do like to share hubs I find particularly useful or entertaining with my followers and I often read recommendations of my hubber friends.

Voted up, useful and interesting.


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phdast7 3 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

Cat - What a fabulous response!! You have covered all the main points so well and expressed perfectly what so many of us feel. We like, need, and want the Share option. Thankfully, it seems we have it back now. I can take no credit -- apparently quite a few people had been making noise in the forums for twenty+ hours before I posted the hub. But the reader's responses have been great, but yours the very best of all. Have a wonderful week and we will both keep our eyes on the shady HP management. :) Thanks, truly, for responding as you did.

Theresa


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phdast7 3 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

Hi ps - I tried to be diplomatic, but it doesn't always come easily. :) I totally understand how the community supports your passion, me, too. And angels were on the way, it has returned. Let's hope for good. :)

Sorry for the prepared text, but I posted this on the hub at 10:00 this morning:

First, thank you so much for your concern and for responding. If we are indeed a community with community concerns, then from time to time we need to respond like a community.

Second, as you probably have noticed, the Share function has been returned and as far as I can tell is operational on everyone's hubs. We all hope this is permanent. Thank you HubPages.

Third, I cannot take responsibility or credit for this (it would be nice if I could). After I posted my hub yesterday, someone pointed me toward the forums where quite a few hubbers had been voicing their concerns and complaints for about twenty hours.

Fourth, I am still glad I wrote the hub. It was a great exercise in "speaking Truth to Power" which we all need to do from time to time. And it was gratifying and encouraging that so many people responded. We are a community of many intertwined communities here on HP and that counts for something. :) Thank you. Theresa


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phdast7 3 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

Good morning Jools. I think HP is a community and many of us use it exactly like you do. Perfect description -- "a misguided and huge mistake." Such unilateral decisions by the "few and mighty" toward all the rest of us is infuriating and demonstrates that they think very little of us. But there is good news. Thanks for commenting! :)

Sorry for the prepared text, but I posted this on the hub at 10:00 this morning:

First, thank you so much for your concern and for responding. If we are indeed a community with community concerns, then from time to time we need to respond like a community.

Second, as you probably have noticed, the Share function has been returned and as far as I can tell is operational on everyone's hubs. We all hope this is permanent. Thank you HubPages.

Third, I cannot take responsibility or credit for this (it would be nice if I could). After I posted my hub yesterday, someone pointed me toward the forums where quite a few hubbers had been voicing their concerns and complaints for about twenty hours.

Fourth, I am still glad I wrote the hub. It was a great exercise in "speaking Truth to Power" which we all need to do from time to time. And it was gratifying and encouraging that so many people responded. We are a community of many intertwined communities here on HP and that counts for something. :) Thank you. Theresa


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phdast7 3 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

Oh fpherj48, I wish I had magical powers, or influence, but I don't (see below please). It is amazing that HP returned the Share option so quickly and I am glad they did. It was a pleasure to speak up and thanks for your contribution and encouragement .... and for the votes. :) Theresa

Sorry for the prepared text, but I posted this on the hub at 10:00 this morning:

First, thank you so much for your concern and for responding. If we are indeed a community with community concerns, then from time to time we need to respond like a community.

Second, as you probably have noticed, the Share function has been returned and as far as I can tell is operational on everyone's hubs. We all hope this is permanent. Thank you HubPages.

Third, I cannot take responsibility or credit for this (it would be nice if I could). After I posted my hub yesterday, someone pointed me toward the forums where quite a few hubbers had been voicing their concerns and complaints for about twenty hours.

Fourth, I am still glad I wrote the hub. It was a great exercise in "speaking Truth to Power" which we all need to do from time to time. And it was gratifying and encouraging that so many people responded. We are a community of many intertwined communities here on HP and that counts for something. :) Thank you. Theresa


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phdast7 3 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

Hi DDE - No worries. I think a lot of people didn't. I just happened to be on HP a lot the last two days. Thanks for reading and commenting. I appreciate it so much. A fuller explanation is below. :) Theresa

Sorry for the prepared text, but I posted this on the hub at 10:00 this morning:

First, thank you so much for your concern and for responding. If we are indeed a community with community concerns, then from time to time we need to respond like a community.

Second, as you probably have noticed, the Share function has been returned and as far as I can tell is operational on everyone's hubs. We all hope this is permanent. Thank you HubPages.

Third, I cannot take responsibility or credit for this (it would be nice if I could). After I posted my hub yesterday, someone pointed me toward the forums where quite a few hubbers had been voicing their concerns and complaints for about twenty hours.

Fourth, I am still glad I wrote the hub. It was a great exercise in "speaking Truth to Power" which we all need to do from time to time. And it was gratifying and encouraging that so many people responded. We are a community of many intertwined communities here on HP and that counts for something. :) Thank you. Theresa


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phdast7 3 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

Good morning Mary. God to hear from you. You expressed it so perfectly, "why remove our community spirit?" I was pleased that it was back yesterday, not too long after I posted the Hub. Although, I know HP probably wasn't responding to me in particular, but to the assorted comments, complaints, etc posted in the forums. But, I will take a positive change anyway I can get it. :) You have a wonderful day as well. :)

Sorry for the prepared text, but I posted this on the hub at 10:00 this morning:

First, thank you so much for your concern and for responding. If we are indeed a community with community concerns, then from time to time we need to respond like a community.

Second, as you probably have noticed, the Share function has been returned and as far as I can tell is operational on everyone's hubs. We all hope this is permanent. Thank you HubPages.

Third, I cannot take responsibility or credit for this (it would be nice if I could). After I posted my hub yesterday, someone pointed me toward the forums where quite a few hubbers had been voicing their concerns and complaints for about twenty hours.

Fourth, I am still glad I wrote the hub. It was a great exercise in "speaking Truth to Power" which we all need to do from time to time. And it was gratifying and encouraging that so many people responded. We are a community of many intertwined communities here on HP and that counts for something. :) Thank you. Theresa


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phdast7 3 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

Hi Frank - I probably only noticed because I spent a lot of time reading hubs the last two days and there were some I wanted to share and there was no share ( inside HP) function. You are right, they put it back yesterday afternoon sometime. Let's hope it is for good. Thank you for standing tall. More, below. :)

Sorry for the prepared text, but I posted this on the hub at 10:00 this morning:

First, thank you so much for your concern and for responding. If we are indeed a community with community concerns, then from time to time we need to respond like a community.

Second, as you probably have noticed, the Share function has been returned and as far as I can tell is operational on everyone's hubs. We all hope this is permanent. Thank you HubPages.

Third, I cannot take responsibility or credit for this (it would be nice if I could). After I posted my hub yesterday, someone pointed me toward the forums where quite a few hubbers had been voicing their concerns and complaints for about twenty hours.

Fourth, I am still glad I wrote the hub. It was a great exercise in "speaking Truth to Power" which we all need to do from time to time. And it was gratifying and encouraging that so many people responded. We are a community of many intertwined communities here on HP and that counts for something. :) Thank you. Theresa


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Cantuhearmescream 3 years ago from New York

Theresa,

Wow, thanks so much for such an awesome reply, you really made my morning! Maybe you didn’t have a part in getting this feature back, but nonetheless, this hub serves a purpose and only reconfirms that it was and is a much appreciated function. I know, just since I have visited this hub, my email has been overwhelmed with notifications in response to it. You certainly hit a chord with hubbers and it just goes to show that this is more than a ‘money-making opportunity’ but a community as well! Thanks again, for the hub and the sweet response. You have a wonderful week as well and yes, we’ll have to stay keen to the happenings of the shady ones :D

Cat


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phdast7 3 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

Hi Kathleen - I like that about our community as well. Sometimes they listen, sometimes not. I love the quote!!! And I have no idea where it comes from originally, but the Russian submarine commander (played by Sean Connery) in "Hunt for Red October" says it. My boys and I wandered around saying that to each other for days after we saw the film. :) More information about the Share function below. Glad you are back. Theresa

Sorry for the prepared text, but I posted this on the hub at 10:00 this morning:

First, thank you so much for your concern and for responding. If we are indeed a community with community concerns, then from time to time we need to respond like a community.

Second, as you probably have noticed, the Share function has been returned and as far as I can tell is operational on everyone's hubs. We all hope this is permanent. Thank you HubPages.

Third, I cannot take responsibility or credit for this (it would be nice if I could). After I posted my hub yesterday, someone pointed me toward the forums where quite a few hubbers had been voicing their concerns and complaints for about twenty hours.

Fourth, I am still glad I wrote the hub. It was a great exercise in "speaking Truth to Power" which we all need to do from time to time. And it was gratifying and encouraging that so many people responded. We are a community of many intertwined communities here on HP and that counts for something. :) Thank you. Theresa


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Theater girl 3 years ago from New Jersey

I have to comment again here to say thanks for getting it back! I know for sure that I like to share things that I read, and through the generosity of some kind people on here...my work gets more traffic because others share it! Brava to all of you for making noise! It gets the job done!


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phdast7 3 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

Hello Happyboomernurse - I am glad, too, that it has already been resolved positively and I appreciate your comments and votes. A lot of us used the function to shared hubs with each other. More below. Thanks. :)

Sorry for the prepared text, but I posted this on the hub at 10:00 this morning:

First, thank you so much for your concern and for responding. If we are indeed a community with community concerns, then from time to time we need to respond like a community.

Second, as you probably have noticed, the Share function has been returned and as far as I can tell is operational on everyone's hubs. We all hope this is permanent. Thank you HubPages.

Third, I cannot take responsibility or credit for this (it would be nice if I could). After I posted my hub yesterday, someone pointed me toward the forums where quite a few hubbers had been voicing their concerns and complaints for about twenty hours.

Fourth, I am still glad I wrote the hub. It was a great exercise in "speaking Truth to Power" which we all need to do from time to time. And it was gratifying and encouraging that so many people responded. We are a community of many intertwined communities here on HP and that counts for something. :) Thank you. Theresa


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phdast7 3 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

Hi Theater girl - I am of course very pleased it is back and although I think most of the credit goes to all the hubbers who spoke up in the forums Tues and Wed, I am still glad I wrote the hub and expressed how I felt. And it was wonderful seeing how many of you responded as well. Have a great day and Share away. :) Theresa


summerberrie 3 years ago

Had to share! Glad the button is back. It did give HP more of a community feel.


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phdast7 3 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

You are so welcome cat and I have been amazed at the positive and encouraging responses as well. That is why I finally added an update to the hub and started adding it to every response I make. It is an imprtant option and I am so glad we get to use it. Take care. :) Theresa


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sallybea 3 years ago from Norfolk

Yes and wouldn't it be nice if it were much higher up on the page along with the like tweet and pin it button - so that we don't have to scroll so far down to find them, should definitely be above the related search things. Super job - funny I had never noticed it before but am delighted your hard work paid off. Well done.


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phdast7 3 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

Why thank you summerberries. I am glad it is back too and it really id and does contribute to HP being a community. Have a great day. :)


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phdast7 3 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

Good morning sallybea. Glad to hear that someone besides me has noticed how far down you have to scroll to get to the Share icon. I am quite sure that HP put it below the other buttons on purpose -- they are convinced they will ear more money if we share outside of HP. Sometimes yes and sometimes no. Still the Share feature has been and is a great community builder. Thanks so much for your kind comments. Have a great day. :)


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shanmarie 3 years ago from Texas

The community spirit is part of HP's charm. I have written some hubs just for hte sake of Google, more or less (they can use some better SEO techniques applied to them if I find the time to do so), but mostly I enjoy the community aspect more than anything else.

I suppose it could harm a hub or two (as one of my hubs now has ads for pickles because I used a pickle as an example in response to a comment that actually did relate to my hub)f, but who makes enough to really care? Not many. Besides, in my opinion, if people are clicking ads to leave my hub, they weren't really interested in the first place - unless, maybe the add is clicked for further reading after the fact. I think the concept of keeping people on a webpage or site longer is flawed. It seems to work best for a business website that sells products, not so much for sites with affiliate ads.

In any case, sharing with fellow hubbers or on other sites generates more traffic.


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Barbara Kay 3 years ago from USA

I'll miss that feature. I wonder what the real reason is that they removed it?


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phdast7 3 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

Hi Barbara - The SHARE function is back, not sure why and we may never know the real reason they removed it.

All the information I have about it is in the last capsule of the HUB. Thanks for reading and commenting.


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phdast7 3 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

Hi shanmarie - I couldn't agree more -- I think the community spirit is part of HP's charm and it is why a lot of us post most of what we write here as opposed to somewhere else. Your example of the pickle advertisements being addd to your hub is simply hilarious. I guess they pick up on every little thing we write. :)

Sharing does generate more traffic and thank fully HP has come to their senses and returned the Share function to our hubs. Let's hope they leave it there. I hope you are having a good week. :) Theresa


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia

Sadly Theresa, HP has devolved in the over 4 years I've been a member here. They have destroyed what was once great forum discussions between the writers and it is hardly worth reading the threads anymore.

Like you, I wonder who is making these silly decisions which affects all of us so detrimentally. Pleased they returned the share button and hope they learned a lesson from its removal. I seriously doubt it though.


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suzettenaples 3 years ago from Taos, NM

Well, I'm a day late and a dollar short! lol; I agree with you wholeheartedly, Theresa. I missed this hub yesterday. I thought the removal of the share button was ridiculous, too. You and I are of the same generation, but the HP gods are not. They are younger and goofier, in my opinion, just like the younger generation teachers I have found to be goofier, too. They don't think things through or consider how the community would feel. They could survey and find out, but they don't. I write here also because I enjoy writing, not for the

'tons of money' lol I make on HP. I, also, do not follow the forums because they become so nasty and argumentative. So, sometimes, I'm out of the loop also. All, in all, I enjoy the community and the feedback I receive from what I write. Bottom line that's why I'm here.


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phdast7 3 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

suzette - As you and everyone else have probably noticed I am sure. I am usually a few days to a few weeks!! behind in my reading and commenting...and always a few dollars short! :) We are the same generation, and actually a lot of very productive and consistent hubbers are in their fifties, sixties, and seventies, so I don't understand how the HP powers that be can afford to ignore us and the things that make us happy and more productive. I know they are young (thirty-somethings I guess), but still every business has to take such things into account. If they haven't already they need to get a couple of people in their sixties on the payroll to keep their finger on the pulse of what works for the older demographic. As you said, they could do surveys before they make some of their goofy decisions.

Just like you I write and read what I want, money is irrelevant (at 12 dollars a month, I would be making about 20 cents per hour - what a joke), I avoid the forums like the plague -- too nasty, too repetitive, great time wasters, although I can see the appeal for younger generations), and I enjoy the community aspects. :) We ARE the same generation! :) Thanks for commenting a day late and a dollar short. :) Theresa


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suzettenaples 3 years ago from Taos, NM

Theresa: You have made a valid suggestion. Get someone 60 something on their staff to represent the productive and consistent hubbers.

Are you listening HP staff? I will say one thing about the younger generation, they understand google and the algorithums more than I do. I don't understand that part of this at all. So, I basically have to listen to what they say and take their advice on that part of the site. But, thank you for writing this and I do think they needed to be taken to task on the share button. Good job!


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phdast7 3 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

Hello fellow Georgia! :) I just read your three hubs on the Forums and how they are mishandles and the problem with bans. I have limited time so I don't do forums and I think they had become problematic my the time I arrived -- 21 months ago. It is too bad that the original forum discussion have been destroyed.

It is incredibly infuriating that the "decision-makers remain nameless and faceless and that we are "handled" and "mis-handled" by lesser ranking and also nameless moderators. Like you I am glad the Share function is back, but I seriously doubt any lesson was learned, except by us...and we already knew they didn't care what we wanted.

Thanks for the fan mail. I am following you now and will drop in to read every now and then. :) My brother recently bought an older RV of some sort and it needs a lot of work. I am going to send him a link to your hubs. Thanks. Theresa


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia

Thanks, Theresa! Yes, the anonymous moderators seem to feel they have the power to ban at their choosing, especially someone like me who asks hard questions about why they are breaking the agreement with the writers by putting the obviously misleading "Related Search" ads on every one of our pages and not sharing them with us. Thieves come in all shapes and sizes.


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Nellieanna 3 years ago from TEXAS

Excellent hub, Theresa, expressing what many of us Hubbers CARE about enough to be here, to hang-in for the love and creativity of it: sharing with other writers who become more than mere colleagues, but also friends.

Another thing I've noticed virtually missing is the old 'email' another Hubber, via HP. I think it still exists in the mists somewhere, but it seems the Hubber must be have been aware enough at some critical point in becoming a Hubber to make some vague provision for it to be available, then - only through equally vague channels. When one wishes to communicate privately with another Hubber, perhaps to let him know of some grammatical error and not wishing to post it in comments, that was a wonderful way to do so.

Anyway, as you say, there are motives drifting about which serve nothing but some economic goal of the leaders, and seem to be intent on weeding out the 'persons' and 'personal' aspects which have kept many of us faithful through the many valleys of the site. Depersonalization brought to its sad conclusion would be a last, sad straw for some of us.


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phdast7 3 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

suzette - Oh, if only "they" were listening. They need someone over 60 to represent the thousands of us, maybe tens of thousands that fit the 50-90 demographic. And we have disposable income, too. :)

The Google algorithums are Greek to me too. And moderately young people do understand that stuff. But I am appalled by the laziness and whiny-ness of the very young, who do sloppy and crappy hubs and then whine because they aren't pulling in views or big bucks with in two weeks. I want to smack them and sit them in a corner.

Good I had children when I was young and had more patience. :) Always happy to try and do a good job. Thanks. :)


Sueswan 3 years ago

Hi Theresa,

I haven't been on hubpages much lately so I didn't know about the share button missing. I have never participated in the forums and have no interest in doing so. I like reading and sharing hubs that I enjoy. The days of spending hours on hub pages are over for me.

I hope all is well with you my friend and that you are enjoying the summer. I am voting up and sharing your hub. As always, I love the pictures you have included.

Take care :)

Sue


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phdast7 3 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

Randy - You are very welcome. it is terribly sad that the moderators are allowed /encouraged to behave as they do. HP had/maybe has the potential to be so much more and better than it is. Does money have to have the final word about everything? I know I am ranting to the choir. Theressa


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Gypsy Rose Lee 3 years ago from Riga, Latvia

Thanks Theresa. Button is back and I'm sharing this with my followers for future reference. I've used this button quite a few times and glad it's there again.


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phdast7 3 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

You are so welcome Gypsy. I use it quite a bit to share with others, so I hope it is back to stay. Theresa


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phdast7 3 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

Good Morning Nellieanna. Thank you for your comments and there are things we CARE about, especially creativity and being able to share with each other. I was just thinking about using the "old" way to email someone directly, but with privacy for both....and so far I cannot find it. Someone said it still exists, but where and why so hard to find? It was an important and helpful option to have.

Too many economic motives and not enough community-building motives for sure. HP needs to remember that "change can be good", but "not all change is good all the time." Change can be disruptive, confusion, damaging. Ask any sociologist, psychologist, counselor, teacher, or parent. Healthy environments include both stability, structure, and a "measure of constructive change." Too much, too fast and systems break down. Thank you for a wonderful and thoughtful comment. Blessings. Theresa


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MrsBrownsParlour 3 years ago from Chicagoland, Illinois

Useful and helpful, and I appreciate the community spirit! Glad to see that button is back. :-) Lurana


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aviannovice 3 years ago from Stillwater, OK

I noticed when it was missing, too, and I just thought it was a glitch. Like you, I have a full time job, enough followers and those that I follow to keep me busy. Forums are not a place where I spend time, either. I don't have much to spare, especially with my photos now. Glad to see that everything worked out and I am also glad that we have our voices back!


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phdast7 3 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

Hello avian - Just like you I don't have a lot of time to spare, although I am only working half-time over the summer, so this is when I try to do a lot of reading and writing. And not being able to share, which guts the heart of the community of those who write because they love to write and don't expect a living income, ever! :) I like how you phrased it. I too am "glad we got our voices back". Hope your weekend is going well. Theresa


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phdast7 3 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

Thank you Lurana - I am relieved the button is back and without a long drawn out fight between Hubbers and HP. That is sometimes necessary, but it is never fun. :( I don't think the button is back because of what I wrote, but it was good exercise. Every now and then I need and want to write a protest or anti-injustice Hub, civil, but honest and to the point. it was good to know I can still do it on the fly if the need arises. :) Take care. Theresa


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FlourishAnyway 3 years ago from USA

When HP asked for feedback in the survey, my big suggestion was to vet changes before making them. I think you make that point as well.


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phdast7 3 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

Hello Sue - I wasn't sure if you hadn't been on much or if I was just missing your poems (always way behind on reading my daily updates). Fortunately, the Sharing Button issue was a "tempest in a teapot" and they restored it after 2 days. I am sorry to hear that your time on HP will be decreasing.

May has been marvelous actually - no teaching responsibilities (I start teaching again next week, but only two days a week), it hasn't been too hot, lots or reading, several sewing projects, yard work of course, and I who have never gardened - am trying some container tomatoes and bell peppers. We shall see. :)

Thank you for commenting on the pictures. I do make a real effort to make my hubs interesting, striking, beautiful to look at, in addition, hopefully, to being well written. There are several artists in my family and I am hopelessly clumsy and can't draw or paint. But in my mid thirties I discovered I have an eye for color and shape and design (my genetic inheritance from ancestors I guess) and I have really focused on the visual aspects of my life ever since. HubPages with its convenient photo capsules was almost too good to be true. I have scanned all the pictures from about thirty (GoodWill) books onto my hard drive and now have a selection of about 1100 photos from which to choose. Makes me very happy, needless to say.

Hope to see you and your work at least occasionally. You take care as well. Blessings.

Theresa


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phdast7 3 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

Hello Flourish - Wouldn't it be wonderful if they would do that. Could save a lot of frustration and anxiety for us and for them. I have never understood people, groups, companies that won't consult their target group. Once you get the info, you aren't bound to use it. You can explain to your audience why you chose the direction you did. Seems to be there is some high-handedness or arrogance complicating things. Thanks for your comments. I appreciate them and will try to respond to the rest of them this afternoon. Have a good day.


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KoffeeKlatch Gals 3 years ago from Sunny Florida

I'm glad the share button is back. I love the passion in your writing. I think you could have single handedly convinced them to put it back. Terrific hub.


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phdast7 3 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

Hello KoffeeKlatch (cool name and spelling!) - You give me too much credit, but thank you. Some things do arouse my passions, but like you, I am just so glad the SHAR button is back. :)


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ladydeonne 3 years ago from Florence, SC

Though I am a more recent hubber. I applaud your stepping up to the plate and bringing your as well as other community members concerns re the missing share button. I will certainly look for and use the button as I frequently read hubs I'd like to share.

It only takes one voice to change the world! Thanks.


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phdast7 3 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

Thank you ladydeonne - I appreciate your support and encouragement. Hp makes lots of little chnages and I just go with the flow, but this was a change that "all negative" with no benefits. And anything that builds connections and community is a good thing. You are most welcome. Have a wonderful week. Theresa


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

Missing that button didn't affect my HubExperience. The first time I clicked it, a message chided me for thinking about using it. That was also the last time.

I can't recall anyone I follow ever sharing anything with me, either.

What truly chaps my hide is the NOFOLLOW nonsense. As if the HubGods can programmatically identify good writing. That's impersonal.


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phdast7 3 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

Nice to hear from you nicomp - Guess I am rebellious (mildly) at heart. First time I saw their "chiding" I wouldn't do this message, I defiantly shared my own Hub, although I don't do it too often. Interesting, that you don't remember anyone sharing. I guess w all have different objectives on HP and move in slightly different circles. In my circle of about 100 people I connect with fairly regulalry about 25% of them SHARE each other's writings ona regular basis.

Now I feel kinda stupid and out of the loop ... I don't know what the NOFOLLOW nonsense is all about. Didn't even know there was an issue or problem or debate. Probably just as well. I get distracted too easily as it is. :)

Have a great week. :)


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

phdast7: The NOFOLLOW is kind-of a big deal. Browse to your account page and observe the unattractive black blobs under the Featured column. Any blob without a self-serving H in the middle has been saddled with the NOFOLLOW attribute. Google/Yahoo/Bing will probably not read it. Our HubLords think it's undeserving.


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phdast7 3 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia Author

Thanks nicomp - Now I understand. NOFOLLOW is about the featured or not featured HUB thing that HP has been talking about lately. I thought HP was making the evaluations and assigning our hubs to those categories, supposedly to improve the site's standing with search engines?? I don't understand it all anyway. Have a great day.


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nicomp 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

Ostensibly that's what they are doing. Since we all have subdomains, it's fuzzy.

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