Five Years A Swave

Hmmmm.  How do I figure this out?
Hmmmm. How do I figure this out?

What in the world is a "swave.?" you ask

Please believe me when I tell you that the title for this hub came to me in a rare light bulb moment as I was watching the blockbuster movie "Twelve Years a Slave." A superb movie of course, as I'm sure you'd agree. I leave it all up to each of you to determine what the movie has to do with my story here, if anything at all. For a few reasons, I felt a connection with at least one of the lesser morals in this marvelous movie.

I'd never heard the word, "swave," so I'm guessing not too many others have either. That is, unless you're up on all the latest lingo created by the young and hip generation and you're well-versed on rap and hip-hop music. It may be too, that you have an Urban Dictionary. I also did not know such a dictionary exists. (I really do need to get out more.)

Well amigos, according to the Urban Dictionary, "Swave" is a term created in 2009 by the Brooklyn Rap duo, "H-squared." Swave is a combination of the words, swager and flavor or to simplify and clarify, it means "amazing and cool." Memorize this and use the word three times and it's yours. You can spread the news.

Now hang in here with me please. I am about to digress.

Confused and frustrated is a terrible way to feel.
Confused and frustrated is a terrible way to feel.

My Hubpages Anniversary

I recently received the congratulatory email we all get to honor our Anniversary with Hubpages. June 10th. represents my fifth year here. The email is a nice gesture and leaves us feeling positive and brings a sense of pride. It may even make us feel "swave," (or amazing and cool!) This year for me, my Anniversary failed to help me feel very positive about my time spent on Hubpages as a writer and active community member. For most of my five years here, I was able to feel swave. I was contented with my involvement on HP and had enough pride in my work to move smoothly along at my own pace. Recently, I had to come to terms with being overwhelmed with confusion and frustration. That's a terrible way to feel on a daily basis. I know I need to find my way out of this wretched frame of mind. If you relate to my current status, perhaps you can offer your thoughts. That would be nice.

In an effort to clearly explain what has caused my somewhat negative and disillusioned attitude, follow me back please to approximately three weeks ago. As you come along, it will help if you put yourself in my place in order to maybe feel the full personal impact? Thanks.


Shock & Surprise all in one day

It was just an average morning when I hopped online to enter Hubville, as I do pretty much every morning. The first thing I do normally is check on my numbers, views, earnings, follows, scores, etc. I like to know where I stand before setting off to read and write while noting how my fellow writers are doing. Throughout my five years here, after the first few months of adjustment and settling in, I have maintained a Hubber score between 90 and 97. Ahhh Yes, the dreaded hubber score. No matter what we're told and despite listening to the helpful veterans here, the vast majority of us really do care about our hubber score upon which we place importance and pride. Believe me I know this because I communicate with many writers and we can all read the numerous comments made by one another in terms of this score. It simply has some power over us at one time or another.

We are told repeatedly that "Your hubber score means nothing. Don't let it bother you." I strongly suspect those same nice writers who say this, feel a sharp pang when their hubber score (which means "nothing?") decreases. Seriously, if that score truly means nothing~~why does it exist? What is it there for and what if anything does it tell us? If it's useless, we shouldn't have a hubber score at all. Does this make sense? Is it me? I'd love answers.

On this particular day, as I started out, my hubber score was 92. It had remained 92 for several months prior. I had only been roaming the streets of HP for a few minutes when I noticed my hubber score dropped down to the high 80's. I took that punch quite well for the moment. That is until only a few minutes later, my score dropped to the mid 80's. Now I couldn't help but begin to scratch my head. Huh? What's going on? My score is dropping before my eyes within minutes. This was something brand new. Maybe a technical glitch, I could only hope.

I won't drag my pain on much longer. Suffice it to say that later that day, I was down to 80 from 92 a few hours prior! The next morning, I honestly could not believe my eyes. My hubber score was 76 !!! OK, I'll admit it, I felt like crying. So, I ask you, would you not be shocked to see your score plummet 16 points in just one day? I thought this a rare thing and had never seen it before. I kept asking myself what could be wrong?

Up & Down, round & round she goes. Where she stops, NOBODY KNOWS.
Up & Down, round & round she goes. Where she stops, NOBODY KNOWS.

How are we to know?

This mystery would not be solved by my fretting. I had to write Team Hub to find out what they could tell me about this incredible dive off the mountain I'd just suffered. I was literally desperate for any possible explanation. Did Team HP help? Yes and No but not really. Enough said.

OK my friends, hear this. For the next three days, just as surprisingly, my hubber score began to rise in much the same increments as it had decreased! Up I went to 80 to 85 to 90 and right back to the 92 I had before the huge plummet. Of course I felt better. So it was a glitch after all and has now been rectified...right? Wrong. It only took a few days to plummet once again, back down to 78 where it has remained. Frankly, I feel like it was me who fell down the steep embankment rather than my score. I'm bruised and hurt and so frustrated. This just makes no sense to me and unless and until I can understand, what do I do about it?

This is why my "Anniversary" was rather dull for me. I couldn't celebrate. I was too confused. For five years I was "swave." Thus my Title. I don't know what I feel like now but it's not really good. No, this is not a pity party. That's not my style and my friends know this. This is more like wanting some answers and hoping I can get to the bottom of this disaster. Whatever hard work or changing it takes, I've always been willing to try my best.

Five Years a Swave, my friends. Did I merely get too comfortable? Am I guilty of some dastardly deed? I hope to gain some insight. I have to fix this. No one really cares but me and I'm the one who has to figure it out and do the work.

Please know that if you are feeling (or have ever felt) down and out over decreasing scores or being curiously singled out, I definitely feel your pain. You may cry on my shoulder. If I can help, I will..........Adios Amigos.

I added this video BECAUSE I WANTED TO!!

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fpherj48 6 weeks ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Oh Asif...LOL.....Thank you. I see you are a member of the same "nice guy" Club our Mike belongs too! U men are so sweet & the world sure needs more kindness!

As you might see, I have been crawling out & up from the HP dungeon into which I was thrown. Thankfully, I'm a fighter of rights!! LOL I long ago learned to get back UP when put down.....& I am grateful for encouragement! People need people & I'm blessed to know some of the BEST!........Enjoy this day, Asif! Paula

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asifahsankhan 6 weeks ago

You've written and composed some of the most essential stuff on this. (Such, nearly everybody can identify with)

I'm almost certain you've touched many lives in your exceptional five years of giving accommodating Hub content.

"Five Years A Swave" - you say?

Should've said: "Five Years A Saviour" : )

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fpherj48 2 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Hello sweet man....Funny I should hear from you. I thought about you today when I read one of your carriage stories (from your book...not on HP)

Yes, I've not been around much. Fact is, I'll most likely be around even less in the coming months. I'm going through some inner strife in terms of Hubpages these days and knowing myself as well as I do, I'm keenly aware I can't just ignore it or fluff it off.

I have no doubt that I need to deal with my changing feelings like I've always tackled any issue that presents itself. This is real work for me. I'm very hard on myself because it's what works. I'm one person who needs no one to kick my ass. I do it well, myself. (I should have been a drill sergeant, I'm convinced)

How nice of you to think of me and stop by to say, "Hi." The world needs more people like you.....(and a few of our special friends here like, Maria, Martie, Linda Sue, Sha, Bill)....I'm pretty tight with Debbie too.....Don't know if you remember her. She wrote here as D.J. Anderson. We've gotten pretty close, especially since she got frightened off of our site by one of our local rude assholes, who shall remain nameless. DJ's about the most sensitive and skiddish woman I've ever known....someone was unjustifiably rude to her and it totally destroyed her...she quit HP that day and never looked back.

I was probably more upset about it than she was and I kept in touch with her just to give her support and we clicked. Only God knows how a no-nonsense-no-bullshit-tell-it-like-it-is New York take charge lady clicked with a sweet, shy, sensitive, Southern Belle, who is offended at the drop of a hat!.....Go figure, Mike. Maybe it's cause we make each other laugh and respect our differences. Who knows. My collection of friends is so eclectic it's insane. So is my family. I guess I learned from a very young age to just get along with everyone....Period the end.....Which is not to say that I need to force myself to be nice to everyone! A girl gets to have some pride!

OK....I know I chatter too much but I always have and I won't be changing anytime, keep that in mind when you decide to stop by to "just" say HI! LOL............Paula

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fpherj48 2 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

NY bride.....Hi! Yes, you signed on in Feb of 2011 & I signed on in June the same year. Funny you should mention purging. I just went through my entire group of hubs. There are plenty I should either move elsewhere or simply unpublish. All of my 94 hubs are featured, but not really active, so I'm at a loss for what to do. No one has ever given a definitive answer to whether thinning out our hubs helps our profile score at all.

Traffic has been good lately but I'm quite disillusioned in several other areas regarding HP. I'm sure you have experienced the huge "change" in just about everything in general here. I'm a true boomer....not big on change. I've believed all my life, if it ain't broke, why fix it? I suppose that's a dead give away of how seriously I am NOT a progressive. Thanks for stopping by. Good luck to you!

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mckbirdbks 2 months ago from Emerald Wells, Just off the crossroads,Texas

Hello Paula - Not seeing enough of you around the neighborhood. Thought I would chance stopping by to say hello.

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nybride710 2 months ago from Minnesota

I think we must have signed up around the same time. I haven't been very active here in the last 3-4 years but am trying to develop more hobbies again. I have gone so far as to purge everything a few times. Just getting caught up on some of the changes.

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fpherj48 5 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

LOL!! Oh brother! Some things are so ridiculous, we really don't know whether to laugh or cry!! Great example~~~It's 7am. here on the east coast, so obviously it's only 4am in California.

I just signed onto my HP site & you are my first activity, Audrey. WHOA!! There must be a very "sensitive" nervous and jerky ROBOT at the controls!! By merely responding to your comment, my profile score dropped 2 points!

Excuse us HP!! Who knew I'd take a punch for disturbing the apple cart this morning.

Bad system. Very bad system!

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fpherj48 5 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Audrey......I'm glad you brought up the "different" scoring for different works. That truly make no sense also. In other words, we must wonder upon WHAT aspects of our work do they base our profile score?

It must be somewhat frustrating for you & others who write such wonderful poetry, to find your particular genre of writing is not as prized as all other genres......!!

These are the things I'm railing against. Thank you so much for stopping by Audrey. Always nice to hear from you!

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AudreyHowitt 5 months ago from California

I get it--but wish I didn't my hubscore sits somewhere between 65 and 68 these days--sad, but poetry is just scored lower than these other hubs full of stuff--I would like to see score in the 90s but that won't happen as long as I post poetry here--I managed to get my hurt hinny out of the barn and write some more though--and for me that is what matters--hope you find your way through this one--

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fpherj48 5 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

There were cruel & degrading methods used in days of old to shame & ridicule people. These nasty and now obsolete methods included public punishment, public shaming & shunning, wearing of degrading signs that point out one's crimes or mistakes and let's not forget the cruel & inhumane "dunce cap."

No one wants to literally WEAR a number that for all intents & purpose, show the unknowing public, what may be your value or worth. Most especially when you and your work proves to be of exceptional quality. The very least HP could do is give each writer the option to have a profile score be public or private! I think they're literal sadists.

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Jo_Goldsmith11 5 months ago

Author (Swave) Paula, :-)

I do feel your pain. I had a hub score of 88 once. And then 90 for about 30 seconds. I haven't seen 85 in I don't know how long. I don't really expect my score to move now that I have returned.

My thinking is..they should remove the hub score and replace it with just comments and activity based. Meaning, we should be allowed the chance to focus on what we wish to share. Allow the readers to enjoy our hard work and comment to tell us what they would like to see in the future.

You are awesome! And a former Gold Award Winner too, remember?

Hopefully that counts for more than a 92 on some crazy HP statistical messed up tool. (laugh) Blessings & hugs..passing the tissues

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fpherj48 6 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Awww Graham, you are such a dear. Thanks for reading and for understanding how I felt and why. I guess no matter how much older & wiser we get, we still appreciate being validated & valued. .. Peace, Paula

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old albion 6 months ago from Lancashire. England.

Hi Paula. Your frustration is understood by many of us. All you need to know is that your work is enjoyed by so many of us. Keep smiling.


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Robert Sacchi 6 months ago

Thanks again.

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fpherj48 6 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Good. I'm glad you checked. For future reference, there is a way to check out just about anything right here on our site or on our own account page. Anytime you wonder, just ask. Any veteran hubber is happy to help. There are some old timers who know everything there is to know. I am not one of them! LOL

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Robert Sacchi 6 months ago

Thank you I checked my sources and most of the hits came from Google. So I guess I can't blame Google for my low traffic. I did pick up some hits from Pinterest.

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fpherj48 6 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

You're welcome Robert and Good Luck!

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Robert Sacchi 6 months ago

Thank you, good information.

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fpherj48 6 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Again Robert.....97% of "comments" are fellow HUBBERS. The only way to know how much in outside hits you may be getting is to check the # of "views" on your account page.....views are "hits." There is a way to tell how many hits from Pinterest, Twitter, etc......check you account page for stats.

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Robert Sacchi 6 months ago

My hit count has always been small. My articles aren't particularly popular subjects. Yes, I've noticed almost all of the readership is fellow hubbers. I have been posting my articles to Pinterest. I'm not sure how much that has helped.

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fpherj48 6 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

RS.....Well, number of "readers" is not reflected on our # of comments of course. You probably know this because 97% of our comments per hub are left by our fellow-hubbers (within our HP site itself) The number of "views" on our account page is what will tell us how many readers we've had.

I've seen several different opinions on the "niche sites." Personally, it seems to me they're an improvement. Here again though, we won't really know for certain until after some amount of time. A lot of changes have been tried but failed for everyone involved.

You may try, but you more than likely won't "figure out their scoring system" because it's robotic. I proved that to myself as I witnessed an instantaneous major, deep drop on my profile score, right before my eyes in a matter of 24 hours. That cannot be rationalized.

I've not been in the habit of paying such focused attention on my hits and whether they dropped sharply or not at any given time... Sorry. Did you notice that on your account?

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Robert Sacchi 6 months ago

You're welcome. Yes, I think writers are "a dime a dozen" is true about writing in general. There seems to be a lot more writers than readers. I've been trying to figure out their scoring system myself.

The niche sites at least show the HubPages folks are trying. The Google software has apparently played havoc with writers' hit counts. They forced Yahoo!Voices to shut down. That's when I found HubPages. Did you see a point where your hits dropped sharply?

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fpherj48 6 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Hello Robert, So nice of you to show concern. I've been through checking on everything. My hub scores have pretty much remained stable. Just a few have dropped, but in that case others have increased. I've had 7 hubs moved to the niche sites and they're doing well.

The HP "people" (so to speak) say as little as possible and surely don't have the time nor desire to answer any of my concerns/issues. You haven't come to terms with the fact that we writers are "a dime a dozen" (LITERALLY) to HP hierarchy? Well, perhaps you're better off not realizing this.

I have only one last email for them, after which I will have no desire for any further interaction with them for any reason.

Again, thanks for the visit Robert. I sincerely appreciate my wonderful fellow-writers. Peace, Paula

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Robert Sacchi 6 months ago

Were there drops in your individual Hub scores? How has you hit count been? What did the HubPages people tell you?

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fpherj48 6 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Mike....Everyone should have a neighbor like you! 'Hey' to you too. It's a good thing, belonging to this HP community. In real life, my neighbors are a couple of football fields away & very few people "walk by" since I'm on a major highway. Well, OK....a "major highway" in this rural neck of the woods. Certainly not like the 8-lanes in big cities.

Oh, and speaking of this community~ Ha! I received 4 emails about 4 more of my hubs having qualified to be featured in the new development or whatever the hell it is they're creating now. I jumped on the perfect opportunity to convey my lack of love for them. Yes, I hold grudges. LOL. I really wanted to tell them where they can shove that "78" next to my name but on beautiful days like this I try to behave myself. I removed my profile picture and replaced it with one of my idol, "Maxine." She represents my attitude much more accurately than my own mug. Funny thing, Mike, my own photo looks like I might even be a nice old lady. Can't have that when I'm in protest!

Maybe more people don't stop by to say 'Hey' because I wind up chewing their ear off......ya think? Glad you noticed my light was on!


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mckbirdbks 6 months ago from Emerald Wells, Just off the crossroads,Texas

Hey, Paula. Just walking through the HP neighborhood and saw your light on. Thought I'd stop in and say 'Hey' - Happy Sunday.

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fpherj48 6 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Oh Nell....I shouldn't get so frustrated but it's that perfectionism in my blood. I'm trying hard to ignore it all and just have some fun. After all, there are far worse things that I might have to deal with...right?

Thanks for the visit girlfriend. I've been enjoying my summer....hope you are too! Paula

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Nell Rose 6 months ago from England

And me too! LOL! I go up and down like a yoyo! specially when I write a new one, it goes way down! I must admit to being a bit lazy on here lately, but to be honest its because of family things, so thats my excuse! good to be back and reading though, x nell

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fpherj48 7 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Chris....That's nearly the point I've tried to make. Apparently what accounts for our profile score is to remain a mystery. I will not play their guessing game. I no longer care. Period, the end. IMO, whoever the "mods" are whether the human mods or the bots....they wear blinders. Their right hand knows not what the left is doing. They surely have tunnel vision and as a result, we suffer for it.

No more of that for me. Thanks so much for your sweet thoughtful comment. No wonder we are loyal to one another. We're the only ones who really care about each other. Have a great week-end, Chris!

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ChristinS 7 months ago from Midwest

Aw Paula, I'm sorry to hear this. That damned score... if it doesn't mean anything then why the hell do they keep it around? I suspect you may be being trolled. I notice my score will plummet sharply if I leave any kind of a comment on an answer that is even remotely religious or political. I think every thumbs down people give you knocks the score down.

Do I have scientific evidence of this? No, but I will go sometimes for days without doing anything here. Score stays steady within a couple of points. If I venture out and dare to have an opinion that is not popular, I get thumbed down of course because we can't just agree to disagree.. subsequently my score will plummet.

My answer? I don't even bother with the Q&A anymore. Any time I try down the score goes.

It also drops when traffic drops. Also, if I make a sale on Amazon it goes up, but if I don't make another sale the very next day it drops.

If I have comments on my hubs it goes up a point, then drops....

It's such a stupid freaking system.... I have been here 5 years too and so much has changed - but that damned stupid scoring system sure hasn't! lol.

Hang in there :) I don't get around these parts as much as I used to, but you're still one of my favorite hubbers.

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fpherj48 7 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Karen....Thanks so much for stopping by. I think I've worn out all my complaining. It's just not even worth talking about any more.

I just went to your site and I see quite a few of your hubs I'll read in the near future. Sounds like you are having great success freelancing & selling on EBay! Good for you. That's impressive.

Have a good week-end! Paula

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fpherj48 7 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Vee.....Hi there GF! Yes, "cutely" is a word as far as I'm concerned! LOL I'm not on HP much at all anymore. I've lost a good part of my motivation for several reasons. Most of what I do now is just visit with friends, read a few hubs & Q&A & comment.

I've been spending a lot more time with friends, driving to Canada to stay at the cottage on the lake. I hope you are enjoying your summer, Vee.

I hardly expect to be "rewarded" for anything but at least be scored fairly after 5 years. 78?? That's a pure insult to me. and I don't give a damn how they calculate! I know what I'm worth.

Frankly Vee, I'm the kind of person who makes a decision to go forward & not look back. I never have approved of nor appreciated the way HP is run. The reality is that we're all ordered around, penalized for nothing, unfairly treated and mostly ignored....all while dealing with nonsense communistic rules (as though we're kids) and bending for their continual changes.

I shall simply ignore them as they ignore MOST of us. I'm here for my much loved friends. That's it.

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Karen Hellier 7 months ago from Georgia

Hi! I enjoyed reading this hub. I think that those that say the "hubscore doesn't matter" may be talking about in terms of HubPages rules and regulations. But I do think the Hub score matters to new people just discovering HubPages. I remember when I was first looking at HubPages and became a new HubPages member, how much respect I had for those with hub scores of 90 or above. I figured they were experts here and must be really good writers. I used to write regularly for HubPages and always had a score in the mid to high nineties. Then I found some other writing sites and life got busy, so I would just pop in every few weeks. For the past few years now, my hub score has been between 88 and 90. That bothers me. I want to get back into the nineties and stay there. Good luck to you...I hope both of our scores increase, whatever the magic that has to happen in order for the increase to happen. I am planning on staying more active here, but whether or not that will change my score remains to be seen.

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Victoria Lynn 7 months ago from Arkansas, USA

Aw, Effer, I agree that we do care more about our hubber score more than we admit. :-) You tell your story so cutely. (Is cutely a word?) Speaking of words, I love "swave"! I need to use it.

I'm at a loss about the hubber score. How could it fall and then rise so quickly? Makes no sense to me. And you didn't get any decent answers? It sounds like you do much more here than many of us these days. You should be rewarded for that! Well, I'm glad you're here and that our paths cross from time to time. Love ya, girl!

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bravewarrior 7 months ago from Central Florida

Point taken and I agree. Love ya! We need to phone chat again soon, my friend.

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fpherj48 7 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

GF....This pretty much explains what happened to me in a matter of 4 days & as a result, why I've come to my position & attitude.. The response from HP Team was what I expected~~ nothing. They don't give a damn.

Finally, after 5 years, I don't give a damn about them either. Why would I? Why would anyone after realizing how they (OR THEIR F$#%ING ROBOTS TREAT THEIR WRITERS) IMO, they simply don't GET us....don't listen & don't respond. That's the name of their tune.

Apparently it's not enough that we need to bend and twist & change and comply with their rules, instructions, bullshit from google....& ALL the crap we writers find ourselves inundated by. It's not enough that we make mere pennies~~ They admonish & punish & ban the best & the brightest here, while the illiterate morons, "Lunatics" who leave 62 Bible quotes on one thread, spewing nasty attacks, are allowed to continue their rants & annoying behavior.

The individuals who make up the HP team, would not tolerate for one second what we must deal with all day, every day. They do NOTHING to see to it that our work is rewarded with at least a comfortable, pleasant environment.

My views have increased, to answer your question. Of 92 hubs, 90 have always been featured. I have no junk, no trash, no garbage. I regularly edit & update. I participate. I am only a couple dozen from having 200 BEST answers for Q&A.

To be dragged down to 78 from my continuous score of 92-94 for YEARS~~in a matter of hours, right before my eyes with zero communication, is, as far as I'm concerned, UNFAIR, UNWARRANTED AND U-BET-UR-ASS-"UNFORGIVABLE" I'm done with them. Period, the end.

However, I care very much about my peeps here and I will always maintain contact. I enjoy reading & leaving a comment for our brilliant writers. I will participate in Q&A and maybe even publish a hub once or twice a year. But whatever I do will be what I want to do, in my own way for my own pleasure. Thanks for the visit, girlfriend. Paula

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bravewarrior 7 months ago from Central Florida

Paula, I know we're not supposed to hold my credence in our Hubber scores, but face it - we all (or most of us) do. It's a scorecard in my book. Like a grade on a test paper. No one wants a low number. If it means nothing, why does it appear on our Profile page for all to see?

I haven't posted anything new to HP since December 2015 and fully expected to see my Hubber score drop, which it has, but not by much and it usually goes back up. Today I'm at 93. Normally I hover around 95 and have even been at 99 for a couple of weeks and hit 100 once (that lasted about a day).

I have no explanation for your drop. Although you don't post as often as you once did (nor do I), you comment daily (as do I). Are your articles being read? Is viewership increasing or decreasing? What did HP say when you asked them about it?

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fpherj48 7 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Oh yes Mike, I will always write. I wrote for decades Before HP and I will write until my little fingers lock shut and my muse forgets the names of my kids! Nothing would ever stop me. It's just that I've reached the point (with a little push from the ingrates) where I will do my thing, my way, in my own way in my own place.

The more I have mulled this over in this busy brain of mine, I started talking to myself audibly. Why have I even stayed so long and subjected myself to rules and changes and twists & turns? How did I lose myself long enough to tame my independent attitude, alter my lone-wolf style and allowed myself to be dictated to, measured, overseen and tagged with scores?

In short, the last thing I asked myself last night was, "What the hell have you been thinking girl?"

I feel so much better just coming to a realization that sometimes the best thing we can do is move on. Lord knows, moving on is my forte.

I'll keep your bar stool empty for you. You are welcome anytime amigo. Paula

(As for the rock stars we have lost in my 5 yrs. here, it's sad enough to make me cry...I miss them all. I'm thrilled though that they have gone on to bigger, better things.)

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mckbirdbks 7 months ago from Emerald Wells, Just off the crossroads,Texas

"Hello," pulling up a bar stool. "It's natural to be upset. Believe me when I have felt slighted by HP, I have sent off a 'you know what they did?' email or two to vent. It has happened on occasion. It strikes me, and I have said this jokingly somewhere, even HP is dissatisfied with HP. They are splintering into many sub websites. So, instead of getting bigger and better, they are changing course, hoping that the God's of Google build off ramps to the new sites.

What I do know about HP is that when I first arrived, I read many comments in passing about the good writers that had already gone. Since my arrival some splendid writers packed up their easels and gone elsewhere.

By now you are thinking there must be a point somewhere. I guess there is. You are a writer. So, write. It does not have to be here on HP. Many of those that have left launched their own (usually webbly) site and moved their work to their site, where they can be independent, without oversight. Peg, Maria, Martie, and Sunnie are a few that have followed this course. I think Vincent has his own site now. Even your brother Bill, has his own place.

So write. Your friends will find you.Seems 829 followers agree with me. You can even guest blog for people, they will love you even more.

Did I mention, So, write?"

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fpherj48 7 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Mike.....You can sit at my bar any day, any time. Here is the unfiltered truth. I have heard absolutely nothing from those who man the desks & devices at HP in California. Despite what wonderful & encouraging words I receive from our fellow-writers, only HP Team can give me the feedback I'm needing.

Furthermore, all the pep-talks in the world in terms of how "useless & meaningless" our profile score is, I will continue to ask WHY a totally MEANINGLESS number must even appear next to our profile icon.

The reality is, I am the writer, this is my site with my work, my name, my photo and to ME, it all has meaning. To those who may feel this is about "ego," I say, "perhaps a tiny bit it is." Truth is, it is much more so about pride & my own self-satisfaction.

If it's important to me, then it MATTERS to me. Some may laugh at me and my feelings on this issue. That's just fine with me and it surely doesn't alter my position on this issue.

I'm feeling used, abused and bruised. No, not "boo-hoo...." I'm sincerely angry and disgusted with what has happened to my profile number ~~especially the way it happened. I saw it as a loud and clear message from HP. "This is what we think of you. This is what your work is worth. This number reflects the value of what you publish."

Frankly Mike, what other way is there to see this? HP won't tell me.

I prefer NO number next to my photo, rather than one that screams to any potential readers...."Mediocre writer here!!"

I give what I get, Mike. HP labels me with a less than average value, I cannot write less-than-average work, thus they get nothing from me.

I merely ask that I'm understood. I honestly don't think anyone can really know how sad & discouraged I am since the day I fell off the cliff to the rocks below.

I can't just leave Hubville because I love too many of you. I'll be an avid reader and leave my comments to my friends. HP gets nothing from me. I have to remain true to myself Mike. Thank you for being so sweet all the time. Paula

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mckbirdbks 7 months ago from Emerald Wells, Just off the crossroads,Texas

"Hello," pulling up a stool. "Barkeep,can a fellow get some writing around here?"

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fpherj48 7 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

lawrence...Thank you so much for taking the time to offer me some valuable advice. I appreciate all suggestions. I will look into Amazon.

Peace, Paula

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lawrence01 7 months ago from Hamilton, New Zealand


Thanks for explaining what a 'Swave' is. I had thought it was linked to 'Suave' so I wasn't too far out.

I'm not one who'll make payout from HP anytime soon, and frankly I'm not too concerned as for me writing here has been about perfecting the craft (still a long way to go) but I'd encourage you to look at 'self publishing' thru Amazon just to be different and give yourself another outlet that you control.

Just an idea.


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fpherj48 7 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Au fait.....I knew eventually I'd be hearing from you, especially since we just recently had this conversation. Little did I know what I was about to experience. Everyone who has communicated with me (like yourself) have all made note of how very strange and quite "uncommon" this whole DROP in score occurred for me. No one can seem to understand the "roller coaster" ride I was taken on.....from 92 to 78 in less than 2 days......from 78 BACK up to 92 in the same short period of time~~ and then the sudden and final plummet~~~?? Is that enough to make anyone really curious or what?

Well, I'm with you girlfriend in like attitude. I'm simply not putting much effort into HP for a while. I don't publish all that frequently but it's going to be less and less now.

I'll continue to be active within the community in terms of reading, commenting and keeping "in touch" with my wonderful hub-buddies, but I see no reason to be diligent in editing, updating and keeping track of my account activity.

My attitude in general HERE has taken a justifiable dive, pretty much like my profile score. I know I'm worth much more and deserve much more. I also know it's up to me to place my efforts where & how I choose.

Thanks for stopping by. It's so helpful to know that our fellow-writers get this whole thing!.....Paula

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Au fait 7 months ago from North Texas

As you know, I have written about this phenomenon, mostly in comments on your hubs! I won't expand on my previous comments, which in my mind still stand, because nothing changes anyway.

Sometimes wonder if it's the 'program' or if there's a person behind the low hubber scores. A jealous resentful person who hates certain of us and so plays mean games to get even.

I don't publish very often as you know, and it's because there is no advantage. The hubber score doesn't go up and the payments don't go up. There seems to be no benefit. I already have plenty of jobs that don't pay.

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fpherj48 7 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Cam, Thanks for being such a dear friend. It is very important to me that we writers are supportive of one another.

Yes, I'm referring to my "profile score" the number next to our photo/icon. That score involves a number of things, all of which I'm pretty diligent with...but I really can't stress anymore about it. It has really gotten me down. I've always maintained a profile score in the 90's as well and the way this happened was a total shock.

HP team doesn't do much in terms of explanations for such mysteries.

Thanks again for your kindness. It matters. Peace, Paula

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cam8510 7 months ago from Colorado Springs, CO until the end of March

Paula, greetings, my friend. You will always be a 100 in my book. I want to clarify something. I didn't read every line of the comments, so maybe you already spoke about this. You called the score your HUBBER score. Some of the comments refer to HUB score. These are two different things, of course. Hubber scores, I believe, are about the person's interaction with the community. Hub scores are about the quality of the hubs. My hubber score at the moment is 93 and fluctuates very little. My hub score right now, due to my emphasis on short fiction about things like honey bees, is 80. My hub score is very difficult to change, one way or the other. So I cannot relate to your experience with your hubber score. It is quite baffling. I have taken long breaks from HP and my score is still in the low 90s when I return. I would say that the scoring parameters are not very good and probably should not be taken seriously.

You are a respected member of this community and our high regards for you should mean much more than a number calculated by a computer.

Here's to another five years on HP together.

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fpherj48 8 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Are you the sweetest man in the world, or what?? You're already my fantasy man~~stop driving me crazy! Coffee is one of my top 10 favorite things in life....LOL (such a simple-needs woman, wouldn't you say?)

A whole box of pastries, Mike? What about my waistline?

Well Mike, you know our wonderful fellow-writers here. They're the BEST. What seems to be apparent is that I am not alone in my disgust with the silly games played here. So many others have felt the same way I'm feeling. "Misery loves company?" LOL

Thanks again you handsome hunk of talent!.......LOL....Paula

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mckbirdbks 8 months ago from Emerald Wells, Just off the crossroads,Texas

The magnetism of your swave drew me back here. I see your thousands of fans have rallied in support. Oh, and as long as I was in the neighborhood, here is a coffee and a box of pastry. Happy Sunday.

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fpherj48 8 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

hi Devika Thanks for stopping by and for the pep-talk! It DOES upset me. I think I deserve better. I guess HP doesn't feel the same!

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DDE 8 months ago from Dubrovnik, Croatia

I had this problem and and don't bother about it anymore. It is frustrating and can bring you down as it has for me in the past. You made your point and I am glad to stopped by here. Just keep on writing and sharing your ideas you are a good writer.

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fpherj48 8 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Yes, Theresa....More than once I have been off-line for weeks and my score remains steady or rises...(??) Then as soon as I'm active again, I can literally watch it drop. That's enough to drive us bonkers!

I will tolerate my hubber score this low for only so long, then I will make a quick firm decision and just stop participating altogether.

I've been working on editing and putting as much work as I can into HP at the moment.

And Yes.....It was REALLY bizarre (and suspicious) when my score went from 92 to 78......then 2 days later from 78 back to 92 in increments.....and then right back down again. That appeared to me to be so much like a classic "glitch" I was hoping it would be fixed. No such luck.

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tillsontitan 8 months ago from New York

It took me longer to read the comments than the hub! I haven't even looked at my score for fear I won't have any at all. You know why I haven't been around, and I'm not sure when I will be back, but, you and your writing will always be number one to me!

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Faith Reaper 8 months ago from southern USA

Hugs again, Paula,

I meant to add that what really bothers me to no end is when I see a hubber who has not written one hub, not one bit of information on his or her profile page, and has a score in the 60s for doing nothing, especially when I know of awesome flash fiction writers or creative writers, etc., whose score has fallen into the 50s! Makes no sense whatsoever.

Your 16 point drop in one day does raise suspicion in my mind, and too when it rose back up to where it once was, and then to fall right back down. I have noticed a funny thing when I am unable to be on HP for an extended time, it seems my score will actually go up, and then when I get back on and start reading and commenting, it will drop? I have noticed too that when one answers questions that are a bit controversial and one is passionate about the topic and we express our true feelings on the topic, sometimes that makes my score drop pretty fast, which doesn't seem fair.

No matter what, I will continue to write from my heart, and I do hope you will continue to do the same.

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fpherj48 8 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Mr. Archer, I appreciate you stopping by to read and comment. It's clear we all have our perceptions of the various aspects to our individual sites here at HP. The vast majority do remain concerned with their numbers in terms of hub scores as well as well as our own hubber score. I'm sure each of us has our own personal reasons for this as well.

We don't really need to "go on our page" to be aware of that score. It's clearly visible and planted directly under our profile photo in many areas. Your attitude is certainly a good one and you're probably much happier being this way.

I do appreciate your uplifting words. I visited your site and see you have some very interesting Titles I hope to read in the near future! Paula

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Mr Archer 8 months ago from Missouri

Paula, I never even go to my page and see what my score is; I don't care. I couldn't even tell you what level I am on commenting! I write, I read, I comment; 'nuf said.

Oh, there was a time when I did early on but now, not so much. I have even experimented with not having a comment section on a hub, rather just puttin' it out there for better or worse and letting the world do whatever they want with it. Personally (and this is just my take) we write because we have something to say and if even one other person reads it, thinks about it or carries it forward then we have succeeded and that is good enough for me. But then again, I am incredibly simple (in mind anyway!). You take care and never feel like you have to impress others: if they can't see the real you then they ain't worth your time!!

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fpherj48 8 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Martie....I'm sure I will choose to c0ntinue writing. Nothing can ever take away my passion, even if I must take my writings elsewhere. Like every writer who exists or ever did, certainly we want our talents appreciated. Or the question might be, ~~"For what purpose shall we write?" Words must never be wasted nor ignored. In a very personal way, I cannot allow my writing to be under-valued.

Thank you Aries Sister. I appreciate our bond so much. Love, Paula

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fpherj48 8 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Shan...My muse will have to get in line with all my other hauntings...

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FlourishAnyway 8 months ago from USA

Although the recent niche changes have been a pleasant surprise, I totally hear you with your confusion about the scores. I think they change the formulas from time to time.

They're not thinking clearly. If you want to drive behavior, you need to CLEARLY and CONCISELY let people know what is expected of them. These scores do the exact opposite.

Then there's the awful quality of communication that comes from up on high at HP. You just get mish mash answers, after-the-fact notice, and unilateral decisions. How very corporate.

You can probably tell that today I'm not flourishing as much as I usually do. But anyway ... sorry about your scores.

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MartieCoetser 8 months ago from South Africa

Hubpages' score can swing our mood in a second from positive to negative, and that is why I try my best to ignore it. I see I'm back in the 90's again, but apparently I will never see 100 again. I also have a wopping $4 in my account. Where are the days when I have earned a swave $3 a day? I remind myself that I became a Hubber because I wanted to write and publish. The score and money came as a surprise. Please, keep on writing, Paula. Your writings delight and enlighten, and you are most definitely a swave :)

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shanmarie 8 months ago from Texas

Never murder your muse. It comes back to haunt you. ;)

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fpherj48 8 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Maria.....Here you are again, My earth Angel. Hey, I have to face it, I just need to get with the program and stop acting & reacting like a human being with pride, self-respect or basically any emotion whatsoever. I must learn to care less, lose my motivation and murder my muse. I have to adopt the new way of living and being.

This will take some time. Six decades plus of being me will be next to impossible to transform myself into a robot.

Actually, because I am "me," I've seen the bright side of this disappointment. Just like you said girlfriend, this stream of support, understanding and comfort from the precious people I've come to love is a BEAUTIFUL sight. I treasure every word & every thought sent my way. We writers have a natural & keen sense of the huge importance of "people," friends. supporters & cheerleaders because this is truly what it's all about. We're well aware we'll never get rich in terms of money. We can accept that~~because our riches are all far more vital & sustaining. We have what matters~because the heart * soul of a writer instinctively knows what matters.....Love you too sweet Maria. Paula

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fpherj48 8 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Theresa....You're too sweet to take the time for such a long & helpful comment. Whatever the "reason (s) is, I really just don't care anymore. I have to focus on what is really important.

HP should know what some of the ways their system works, (for those of us who CARE) has the capacity to bring down our morale, enthusiasm and interest.....down, down, down....just like the score they claim I'm worth.

I wonder.....Does anyone up there in the towers even think in terms of human beings & human nature?~~~~or is it always & forever about the dollar signs? Don't they understand that it can't be about money for us because our measly pennies aren't really setting our world on fire.........Thanks, Theresa. HUGS!!! Paula

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fpherj48 8 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Frank.....You probably have the healthiest attitude. I wish I didn't give it so much thought. Thanks for stopping by dear friend. Paula

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marcoujor 8 months ago from Jeffersonville PA

Dear effer,

These comments are about some of the sweetest in town...and they say so much about you - why we all - even Mike... :) think you are a "10" in all ways that matter. When it comes to your friends and really any writer on the site:

** you get us to think with anything you write...even answers to questions are insightful

** you demand a little bit of 'act right' when it comes to keeping comments / feedback constructive and supportive

** you get us to LAUGH like no other...and SWAVE goes without saying...!

Love you for five years and forever, mar

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Faith Reaper 8 months ago from southern USA

(((Hugs))) Paula,

I feel your pain. When we are repeatedly told the hubber score means nothing, yet every time we log in to our page, there it is looking at us in the face. My thinking is, if it does not mean anything, why is it there? Come to find out that it does mean something when it falls below the magic number of 85, I believe, for you lose your whatever status on Google and so it seems it does mean something.

We all love to see a high score of course, but for the score to fluctuate up and down so fast and sometimes within hours drop several points, is bewildering to say the least!

Before HP changed up to this new scoring system, back in the day, my score would pretty much stay in the 90s, hovering around 93 but go up to 97, and now just stays in the 80s. I notice if I hub hop a few hubs, I may go up a point or two.

Having said all of that though, once someone commented on one of my older hubs, I did notice my hub did not have all legal photos from Pixabay or Wikimedia Commons, etc., as I really didn't understand all of that back when I first joined HP, but as soon as I switched out the photos, that hub has a really high score. Plus, I've found tweaking titles actually does wonders.

My understanding is that now, our scores are based on a mixture of things, but mostly it is the aggregate value of each individual hub score, so if you have a lot in low 60s or less, then your hubber score will reflect all of that. All my hubs I've written have always been featured, but over the years I have unpublished or deleted a few on my own because after reviewing them, I realized I was unhappy with them, but that was my own decision.

Being I only have 110 or so hubs, it is a lot easier for me to keep checking on them and then tweaking when I see a faux pas. But I sure don't know how in the world someone who has several hundred or thousand hubs can keep that up. I am slowly going through my older hubs to make sure I have them up to speed, that's all I know to do.

I think the hubber score is elusive for a reason, and it keeps us attempting to figure out how we can improve our hubs, possibly?

Then they've come up with saying that comments don't matter, when I know they do! They matter so much to me because I love my HP community and they've always been so supportive of whatever I write, much to my surprise and delight. But now they are saying comments do matter to Google ....wonder if they really know?

I wish they would just do away with the hubber score or either just not publish it on our Profile page, just for our own pride's sake LOL. But then, if and when, we get back up to a higher score, we would most likely fuss about it not being on there.

(((Hugs))) from southern USA

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Frank Atanacio 8 months ago from Shelton

I'd like to say I feel for you, but I cannot.. My score was in the high 50's for three years and, and only now it peaked at 72.. I didn't think much of it until I read this hub.. now I lost my Swave...:( LOL thanks for the share Frank

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fpherj48 8 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Missy.....You're a doll. I appreciate that you enjoyed my ploy with the Movie Title. I was actually laughing myself as I wrote it. I had to do something to cheer myself up. I'm feeling dejected. I did forget to add the "pronunciation" of swave....because it's swave as in slave......not as in Suave (the word or the Cosmetic products) LOL.....I don't know if I can ever keep up with the Urban dictionary, but since I don't exactly hang out with rappers and hip-hoppers, I should be safe!! LOL

Oh sure has it's little ups & downs and we should be very grateful they are "little." I've had more than my share of the HUGE ones and I'll pass on those.

Thanks for your nice long comment. Thank heaven we have one another to keep us smiling!.. Love, Paula

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fpherj48 8 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Peg....Bless your heart. You have meticulously stated the way it is! I have felt this way for so long and for people like us, it can actually be heartbreaking to sit by and witness this happening.

It's clear to me that "they" don't seem to understand a few generations before them. They obviously don't "get" what our beliefs and ideals stem from and why we are so loyal to that way of life & of doing business.

I had a few really "young" people ask me, "Why do you let some numbers throw you for a loop?" You know Peg, I almost got angry, but I counted to 10. I'm thinking, "Would it kill these kids to humor some of us from our era and at least try to understand why we perceive the world as we do?" We certainly must hop to it and understand them, now don't we?

I know exactly why these things "throw me for a loop." Because they're important to me~~they matter. Numbers, grades, percentages....rankings....these are the symbols we've always relied on and understand.

Where is the communication or the least little feedback? So, I can make up my own story I guess. Well OK HP, here's what has gone through my mind~~ For 5 years, I was on a positive roll with some scores to be proud of. My writing was accepted and views and interaction, participation...all above average. I felt good about what I was doing. I maintained a hubber score in the 90's.

Of my 92 hubs....90 were "featured". I was satisfied and I thought HP was too.

Suddenly, out of the blue, my site begins to fall apart. A few hubs were unfeatured due to "traffic" BUT, how do they justify this when my views on those very same hubs has INCREASED? Aren't views, TRAFFIC? Talk about confusing us! Do the bots just pluck these hubs out at random for no damned reason? What is that all about?

As I literally watched my hubber score go from 92 to 78 in just a day, my entire mood went down with it. I felt like I was just put in the corner with a dunce cap! What?? Just yesterday I was liked me. Today, with no warning, not a word, no reason.....I'm a bum.

Wow. Oh but let's not forget: "These scores don't mean a thing." Who the hell do they expect to listen to that dribble?

Oh my...I'm ranting. And for what? Ranting doesn't even help. After this I am here 100% for one reason only. Our friends. That's it. I no longer feel proud of my work nor do I feel good about myself as a writer. I'll get over that. I know myself and I know I will. But I'd be lying if I said I am not feeling defeated.

Thanks for your awesome comment and most of all, for understanding. Love, Paula

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Missy Smith 8 months ago from Florida

This is such a clever hub, Paula. I loved reading this. Even though you probably weren't smiling while writing about your SWAVE status dropping, I was smiling just because how you put it in words what that word actually meant. You explained it so well, even when used in conjunction to the movie title "Twelve Years A Slave." "Five Years A Swave" was a brilliant title. That was an awesome concept to carry this hub since we now knew what the urban term meant thanks to your explanation. So creative and original.

I have also experienced my hubscore dropping like that. I have dealt with that happening to me a few months into writing for hubpages. I thought I was doing something wrong, and I asked, but I got the duplicate response that the hubscore doesn't mean much. So, I let it go, and before long it started to rise again, and it has stayed pretty consistently the same. I do notice that oddly, when I publish a hub now it will drop a few points. I don't understand it, so I tend not to give it much thought anymore.

I can see the guy that made the hubpage video points, but I have tried my own blog page through a host he mentioned hostgator, and it was very hard for me to establish a following. Google adsense, when I decided to leave, had still not agreed to post ads on my website, and I had at least fifteen substantial articles with by the look at my numbers through hostgator, had views coming in all the time. Maybe it was just me not truly knowing how to make it successful, but I followed all guidelines. I will admit that at times I found it a little hard to write there on a constant basis.

This is how I found hubpages. As I was paying for hostgator every month and not making even a cent, I thought I would come here, try something different, and see if I could eventually gain more knowledge into the blogging thing by doing so. I don't feel ready to set out on my own again yet, but I hope I will someday.

I would like to congratulate you on five years here. Since I have been here, I've noticed constant changes, and maybe it is just glitches that are messing with your score. I couldn't imagine anything else. Your hubs are great!

Take care, Paula. Great Hub! :)

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PegCole17 8 months ago from Dallas, Texas

Paula, If it weren't for the truly wonderful people I have met here on the site I would long ago have bailed out. The scoring, which means nothing or so we're told is indeed our point of reference to our writing health. When it plummets for unknown and unexplained reasons, no amount of "just ignore it" prompts will alleviate the disappointment, disdain and despair that we feel. We are not of the generation whose expectations have been lowered, nor do we understand why everyone gets a trophy just for showing up. Or editbots (not even a word) as a bonus. Now it's the snipping exercise where they remove even a single Amazon capsule that is relevant, unless it is justified extensively in the text. WTH.

It is a Brave New World in which we live, whether Hub Pages or politics, where blame is on the victim rather than the criminal, and credit goes to the ones who shout the loudest rather than produce the better product. I feel your pain and sadness on the loss of a truly gifted site, once full of eager and talented writers whose numbers I see dwindling every day.

Yes, I still earn a few cents here. That was never the reason for joining as I do not expect to support myself on the meager earnings. Most of the joy was, as you mentioned, interacting with our fellow struggling writers, earning what we could, and producing content for which we felt passion.

The world has turned and HP has indeed done its very best to run off those who were once its bread and butter. It is no longer swave, that's for sure. I just passed my sixth year here. Whoo hoo.

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fpherj48 8 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Mike...."Happy Father's Day!" I'm sure all your "females" will spoil you & make your day special! You deserve it.

That IS a very cute thing to say, you handsome devil. At last! You have finally caved in to my flirting. I'm a 10? Wow. Let's leave it at that Mike because I probably don't want to know in what category I score 10......There are those who give me a "10" in being stubborn.....but of course they're wrong. LOL Thanks, Mike. You are such a lovable guy!.... Peace, Paula

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fpherj48 8 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Bro-bll....Happy Father's Day! Good to see you and thanks so much for your support. I'm typical I guess, in that I expect to be treated "FAIRLY" and understand precisely how my work is being appreciated or not.

Then again, as Ricky Nelson sang, "You can't please everyone, so you have to please yourself!" I bought into Ricky's whole Bible! LOL

Yes, for sure it's our fellow-writers that keep us here. As long as you all stay, I'm here too! Everyone may not be happy to know this, but I'm difficult to get rid of!!!! LOL......Enjoy your special day Dad!

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fpherj48 8 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Shyron....I hear you of course. There's a whole lot we have to speculate on and I'm reaching the point of not really caring much anymore. As long as there are our wonderful fellow-writers here ( people like you & all those we love) I'll never leave. Thanks for stopping by again! Paula

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mckbirdbks 8 months ago from Emerald Wells, Just off the crossroads,Texas

I thought of a cute answer. "You are a 10 in my book."

How is that?

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billybuc 8 months ago from Olympia, WA

I have zero answers regarding HP, Sis! I seriously gave up about two years ago trying to figure out scores and their latest management decisions. Now I write for myself, and I stay here because there are some people here I love. I understand what you are saying and I sympathize...hell, I get pissed occasionally about the HP score thing....but what's a brother to do???

Have a super Sunday, Sis!

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Shyron E Shenko 8 months ago

Paula, I came back to share the comments of our followers. I think HP has moderators who don't know beans about writing and in the morning the 1st one reads a hub and gives it a score and the 2nd one reads the same hub and changes the score depending on their like/dislike and on and on.....

I will give you a 100, with Ruby's and mine you are now the highest scoring Hubber ever at a score of 200. Do not leave us!

Blessings and Hugs

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fpherj48 8 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

You said it, Shan! And as Dusty Springfield confirms: "What the World Needs Now is Love......Sweet Love." It's times like this when it's an actual effort to smile & think positively, but it's also the times when it's most important that we do it!

I have a habit of looking deeply into people's eyes when I'm face to face. When the environment & moods are so strongly influenced by all the chaos & tragedies, I literally see the sadness & fear people are harboring. That's so unbearable.....We need to keep smiling & being positive. Paula

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shanmarie 8 months ago from Texas

You're absolutely right that it IS a pain in the ass! But I've come to realize that HP is first and foremost all about making money. And they will put Google before us any day. And I could write for Google. Blah, blah, blah, blah. . .boring-to-me web content that does well in the search results. . .working to make sure it is all edited and re-edited, just the right keywords in the subheadings and title. SEO stuff I do for income elsewhere for much more than mere pennies on add clicks. I actually get paid for the article itself. Here on HP, I'd rather write creatively on most of what I do. Or at least have some sort of personal fulfillment from most of it. The feedback from others who feel the same about interacting is useful for improvement, probably more so than that stupid hub score of mine that hasn't been out of the 70s since forever ago. Yes, I know what you mean about report cards. I sort of saw it that way when I first started. But my score plummeted when they did all those changes a year or two ago. . .the ones that changed how a hub stays featured.

There should be some sort of algorithm tutorial. And. . .no links in the comments. . ..comments have to be related to the hub. . . blah. . blah. . .blah. . .I hate that too. Seriously. I get that Google likes the related discussion, but I like the camaraderie. So, if you want to have a gripe party. . .somewhere other than the forums, that is. . .Aw, SHUCKS, nevermind. . . .they still won't listen. Then again, everyone might just feel better. What do you think? LOL

At least you can feel the love here from others. :)

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fpherj48 8 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Awww My friend're so sweet. You know, as I read all the comments here and the discussions I've had over the past 5 years on this topic, it almost seems as if confusing us is done intentionally. I hate to suspect negatively but a good way to keep us in check is to keep all the silly mystery alive. Even you feeling as though it might help if you move your hubs. It's clear we all work quite hard to get the balance we work toward.....but we don't get much assistance, do we?

Thanks for stopping by Jodah. Something is coming in the near future with all the changes. The big question is what sort of surprise in store for us?

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Jodah 8 months ago from Queensland Australia

Hey, Paula. First off, happy 5th Hubiversary. Love the word "swave" even though my predictive text doesn't. Sounds like a cross between suave and slave...hmm. Now for the nitty gritty. I feel for you and your hubber score. Mine used to be around 97 but now languishes between 85 and 88, yoyoing throughout the day. My aim has always been to try and keep it above 86, the magic score that if you fall below, well who knows what happens really, but I try to avoid finding out.

I had never heard of a score falling as much as yours did however and if that happens to me I will be shocked and saddened to say the least. I already feel somewhat hurt that only two of my hubs have been deemed good enough to be selected for the niche sites out of around 260 I have published, and none in the writing and poetry genre which is where my ability is.

It seems to be a total waste of time even questioning the scores, because invariably you'll be told it doesn't matter and they have no use. So why do we have them..just to make us feel our writing is inferior to other hubbers? I have been moving my lowest scoring hubs(low 60s) to my other writing site to see if that makes a difference to my medium hub score, but I have no idea if that will effect my profile/hubber may even make it drop further.

Anyway, hang in there. I love the way you write. You are much more deserving than any old score may say.

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fpherj48 8 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Ruby,...I don't think there are too many of us who haven't been through this......some more than others. What shocked me most was the 16 points in less than 24 hours. I could not figure out what on earth was going on.

A lot of it may have to do with the "changes" going on....once again! That's the thing though. We're left to wonder, guess and speculate. That gets us nowhere. So, it is what it is, as they say.

I'm getting over the shock. It's tough to know that those in charge really don't care much what we go through.

Thanks for the 100.....I'll take it!! LOL......Peace, Paula

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always exploring 8 months ago from Southern Illinois

Paula, I've been through this roller coaster several times. At one time I got up in the 90's, now my score is 84 and remains there. Who knows what happens? I don't sweat it, but I must admit I like a high score. If you will notice, the recipe writers have the highest scores. Go figure? You get 100 in my scoring...

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fpherj48 8 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author


Yes, I was yelling. When I looked up this thread further and saw both of you without a response, I panicked. Never would I want 2 of my favorite people to think I ignored you. I would not~~ever. But you already know this.

It helps so much when you're feeling down to hear how someone else deals with disappointment. Mostly, I think it happened at a very bad time. Here I was coming up on year 5 and thinking all was going well and B O O M!! I don't think I've ever had a ride on a roller coaster go straight downhill so fast! One minute I'm bouncing around at 92 and the very next morning it's 78. Whoa! Who did I piss off? LOL

I know every single one of you sweet people are absolutely correct in your opinions of this confusion here. We just never get the right sort of feedback or information we need~~~when we seem to need it. That's why we have each other.

So anyway dear friends, I'm on the mend. It was just a tiny blow to my flailing ego. Someone thought I needed to plummet. Fine. I'm down, but not for long !!! Love you guys.

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fpherj48 8 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Awwww...Just look at all my sweet, loving fellow-writers! YOU wonderful human beings are the reason I stay here and that's what I've always said. If not for the gifted and loyal people here, I'd just close up shop. I'm going to address each of you here, so look for your name!

Shan Marie....I agree we have to chuckle about most of what goes on here or we'd implode. Besides, these are actually minor "annoyances," that cause no real pain....except for the one in the ars it gives us when we get frustrated. Being from the old school (Dark Ages!) "grades" were all we had to literally see how we were doing, what we might add or take away and what needs improving. "Report cards," so to speak, if you know what I mean. I know I need to advance to the "new" way of doing things~~~such as, a guessing game, trial & error, hit or miss, blind man's bluff and never really knowing what all the numbers mean, except of course that we're told "they mean nothing!" Arghhhhhhhh! OK, I'm fine now.

Manatita...Thank you kind Sir for the Anniversary wish! :)

Patricia....It's so thoughtful of you to stop by & send cheers with all you are going through right now, dear lady. Please know I appreciate you. Once again, my thoughts & prayers to you and your family.

Hey Jackie! I know the absolute thrill of seeing that "100!!" I actually made it there in my 2nd year. And of all things, it appeared on my Birthday! HA! Little did I know that was the first and last Birthday gift I would ever get from HP!! LOL. This bizarre way up and way down has me dizzy, although those who know me well have always said I'm dizzy....

You're right of course. I thank you for your sound advice.

Lamb....I got your giant hug! can really HUG! I don't feel badly enough to leave. I only feel frustrated enough to gripe! And Lord knows that's nothing new. Thanks for your thoughtfulness. I just LOVE my fellow writers!

Words55....So nice of you to come by and offer up a kind word. I do appreciate your wisdom and thoughtful advice. Have a great week-end.

Peace to you ALL!!!!................Love, Paula

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word55 8 months ago from Chicago

Hi Paula, you are an interesting writer. I enjoy reading and writing. I don't hinge on my score. It stays pretty much in a certain range. I write to share with others more than for money or what my scores will be. I don't understand the scores on the hubs. No one's ever explained them to me. I'm just glad that my hubs get approved and published. I appreciate the comments. Other than that, nothing else matters. Oh, I do notice the little pennies earned every month but I have yet to get paid anything after 2 years. I want to say, keep writing my dear if it's just for personal satisfaction. You never know what may jump off.

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lambservant 8 months ago from Pacific Northwest

I just want to give e you a giant hug. I love that you were so transparent with us. And I get it. I feel the same way when my numbers go down. Dont give up you r excellent writing.

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Jackie Lynnley 8 months ago from The Beautiful South

Having ridden near 100 and reaching it occasionally for the first few years I can for sure tell you I know how you feel. It is pride, no doubt about it and it bothered me intensely until just in the past couple of months.

I have gone to a new writing place and having had surgery recently I am spending more time online so more time at FB and dabbling into fun, friends and politics has just given me a new outlook. I really do not care anymore and the more HP pushes me away the more thankful I am. I have devoted too much of my time caring what everything here means when we all know we will never find out!

Now if I ever put more here it will be for my purposes and to please me.

All I can suggest is to find new online outlets.... where there are no judges!

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pstraubie48 8 months ago from sunny Florida

I totally get your feelings, Paula. I have not been so faithful the past year due to the many issues with sick family but it makes me feel UNswave when my score drops to 89!!!! Just keep plugging away though...your content is interesting and makes me want to read from beginning to end.

A new day is coming with a new number!!!

Angels are headed your way ps

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manatita44 8 months ago from london

Perhaps Hub Pages also gets confused occasionally. Actually I believe they said scores would fluctuate as they work through their changes, their new sites.

Happy Anniversary. I forgot!

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shanmarie 8 months ago from Texas

Paula, your writing style reminds of my own. . .which is why I can also.chuckle a little when.simultaneously feeling your pain. But I gave up on outscore along time ago. . .for my sanity, of course. I focus instead on the interactions I have with others. Those interactions Re my motivation rather than plummeting scores that don't reflect the positive feedback others give.

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fpherj48 8 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York Author

Siddharth....Thanks for the hugs. I'm smiling

Manatita....You're so sweet to take so much time to comment. I appreciate your words of wisdom & comfort. Now I still need to understand the bizarre up down and up within a couple of days. It's not a matter of editing. I'm all set in that regard. Thanks my friend!

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Shyron E Shenko 8 months ago

Paula, you just explained how I have felt for some time and I wrote a question which of course I don't remember, but I believe it was "Is HubPages trying to discourage its writers and get them to quit writing?"

I chose your answer as the best, this hub is exactly what I was talking about.

I feel the same way right now. I publish a hub and my score drops about 3 points, a few days later it goes up two points. I think HP is trying to discourage it's most faithful writers and get them to quit.

I just hope that my knowing that someone else feels your pain and that you are not alone, I am with you.

Blessings and hugs dear friend.

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mckbirdbks 8 months ago from Emerald Wells, Just off the crossroads,Texas

Just wait until you receive a note from HP that says, "You've been snipped." Now that is a shock.

The Hubscore means nothing and you know that nothing in the quality of your work has changed, especially overnight. Why does this happen, who knows. It does sting to get this signal from HP. But, as I was told. "Consider the source."

HP is a writing site. (duh) They need writers - that's you. There has been an exodus already. Heck, even HP is leaving to go to other sites - how funny is that.

Your score is going down (and up) but it is the ship called HP that is sinking.

Now, write, write, write. You are writing to be heard, not writing to be judged.

Now, look in the mirror and say, "I am Swave." three times.

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manatita44 8 months ago from london

Paula, I feel for you, but no, I don't feel your pain. Actually, you tell it so well, I was smiling and chuckling reading it. This does not help you, of course, and yes, I mean well, so forgive me here.

Some say if you take a break, it can affect the score. I know that as the criteria or Team changes, it can also go up or down. I can only tell you the same things that people say: Decent and not blurred photos; more edit capsules; a poll and video as well as a summary. All these things help.

You write like Bill does when he is having a go, well, not quite, but yes, I suppose it's good to have a mourn from time to time.

Now briefly, about me, I feel that I'm a good writer with both prose and poetry. I also have books on the market out there, and yet my score is usually 60's to 70's. Nothing exciting.

Yes, a few I know take this really seriously! Frankly I hardly look at any of the things you mentioned, although if I get a message from Hub Pages Team, then I attend to it. Mostly, I leave them alone.

Back to you. I feel for you. You seem regular enough, so perhaps you can look at the little details that I mentioned. Let your work continue to be original and not too many quotes from elsewhere. Nothing else I can say. I think neatness and presentation; spelling and great picss are high on the agenda, but I feel they should tell you in a way that you understand. Rarely happens for me.

I like your new word. 'Cool!' But I did not see the movie, so cannot say how it applies. I enjoyed reading your Hub though.

Not too much in life should be taken seriously, as they will carry pain. But that's me becoming myself, so let me stop. Lots of Love, Paula.

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Siddharth Kapoor 8 months ago beauty!! I send you many hugs. Congo!!

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