Hub response to a good Doctor on hubpages known as Dr. Authur Ide

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Folks, if you are indeed reading this hub article, it was the end result of this author here being inspired by yet another hubpages author. He goes by the user name of Dr. Arthur Ide, and he has left a very thought provoking comment onto a article entitled "Why the art of being negative as a creative writer is a bad writing style - Super hubber Avengers". Written by the author here known as Cloud Explorer.

This is definitely the first of its kind for this author to write and entire hub about a hub, from the pure inspiration coming from a guest writer to his very own article. So this is definitely a special memorable occurrence on this writers networking community here and potentially for the worldwide web of visitors and viewers.




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Dear Dr. Arthur Ide


Yes indeed, plagiarism is an age old condition of humanity, and I must agree wholeheartedly that it can and shall stop any honest writers in their tracks, if they are to truly dig deeper into the true manifestation from which their very own so-called knowledge is being harvested and cropped from.

I like to think of today's world as an imitation carbon copy of every single moment that has ever occurred running on high leveled repeat, and its become so over done, that I do believe whomever is churning out and turning on the idea tanks from some sort of perpetual think tank, as well as from daily thought engines, they all are also running out of bright ideas by the millisecond.

However, when ideas are pure, which in today's world its a complete and utter rarity, well then the shift towards more copying, and further exaggerated imitation's shall commence as well. I don't need a doctoral degree to understand such a true premise, but I have traveled far into per say the minds of the so-called philosophers of the ancient times, or at least the Barnes & Nobles overly edited versions of their thought powers and perspectives they've shared.



Plato: copy of portrait bust by Silanion
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Philosophical perspective:

I believe it was Parmenides who was the philosopher of permanence, and Heraclitus was that of constant change. Now, as for Plato who was said to have taken from both of their philosophies or at least that's how I read it while researching on the topics in college. I was taught by a college professor (Who followed a set curriculum), and I learned about the whole river thing you spoke of towards the very end of your comment to me. If I do remember correctly, the quote you shared with me there derived from an ancient philosophers student who stated, "Nay! Master Once" and such a response had referred to being asked by his Teacher, could his student step into the same river twice.

Yes indeed, I do remember or shall I say recollect of such a thought process (That traveled through my mind as I pondered on about what I was taught there by my college professor), but it wasn't that of my very own. So, I will always give credit to those who've been told to me, that have gone before me with each and every thought that has come to their minds (or was said to have been according to popular belief today) and previous to my inception onto this planet earth.

This all doesn't mean that I haven't questioned it all, and I wrote a pretty intense philosophical hub all about (links provided towards the end of the article), and around the time when I had first joined this network, which dealt with the predominant factors that I believe does indeed place all of this into perspective that you've stated as a clear cut response to me. The very admirable and yet puzzling question pertained to how and when did all the Pre-socratic philosophers get their knowledge from, if themselves at one time were mere children and required nurturing, knowledge and guidance. (The way history has been re-written, kind of makes it seem as though most of them were all knowing from birth)



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Pondering Questions:

My quest for answers and knowledge has yet to spring a single person to come up with anything truly relevant, and my only issue is, didn't the Egyptians come up with a great deal of philosophy first and for all of civilization?, and what about the Library of Alexandria (According to Wikipedia Julius Ceasar had burned it down by mistake) that was burned down to a crisp? what about that moment in history? does it not count for something today?

Is it OK , just to act as if certain things like global dominance, and the pure and utter erasing of truth all throughout history is somehow justifiable or acceptable? These are all good questions to ponder on, and I have decided to turn my response to your question into this hub so to reach out others, and for us all to think long and hard about what you and I have discussed. Thanks! for the hub writing inspiration and for sharing with me here on hubpages.

If and when you see this hubs overall message, please let me know if its OK, to add your entire comment you left for me onto it (I will place your entire comment you shared earlier here), because I will do so in a split second, and it will become the first ever collaborative hub ever written as an end result of a comment that spawned yet another purely intense response from the original hubs author.




Mask of Tutankhamun's mummy, the popular icon for ancient Egypt at The Egyptian Museum.
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Dr. Arthur Ide 3 years ago from Iowa

You are correct: Parmenides (Παρμενίδης ὁ Ἐλεάτης: 5th century) said permanence is real and change only an illusion, but it was taught widely by his student Zeno (Ζήνων ὁ Ἐλεάτης) was a philosopher of the Eleatic school and a favorite pupil and friend of Parmenides. The teacher was as hated as Socrates would be later, and thus Zeno becomes his recorded in much the same manner as Plato. That you introduce this important record is cause for pause and applause.

Evenmoreso, one must herald your diligence in including the famed Library at Alexandria that was burned several times (Julius Cesar id it "accidentally" in 48 BCE), with the most vile conflagration occuring in 391 CE under the order of the decree of Coptic Pope Theophilus and being recorded by Socrates of Constantinople in his detailed Historia Ecclesiastica: "At the solicitation of Theophilus, Bishop of Alexandria, the emperor issued an order at this time for the demolition of the heathen temples in that city; commanding also that it should be put in execution under the direction of Theophilus. Seizing this opportunity, Theophilus exerted himself to the utmost to expose the pagan mysteries to contempt. And to begin with, he caused the Mithreum to be cleaned out, and exhibited to public view the tokens of its bloody mysteries. Then he destroyed the Serapeum, and the bloody rites of the Mithreum he publicly caricatured; the Serapeum also he showed full of extravagant superstitions, and he had the phalli of Priapus carried through the midst of the forum. [...] Thus this disturbance having been terminated, the governor of Alexandria, and the commander-in-chief of the troops in Egypt, assisted Theophilus in demolishing the heathen temples." This was repeated (giving historical authenticity since no single source can be used to prove anything) with the sage address of Orosius: "So perished that marvelous monument of the literary activity of our ancestors, who had gathered together so many great works of brilliant geniuses. In regard to this, however true it may be that in some of the temples there remain up to the present time book chests, which we ourselves have seen, and that, as we are told, these were emptied by our own men in our own day when these temples were plundered—this statement is true enough—yet it seems fairer to suppose that other collections had later been formed to rival the ancient love of literature, and not that there had once been another library which had books separate from the four hundred thousand volumes mentioned, and for that reason had escaped destruction." —Paulus Orosius, vi.15.32. The great Greek Mathematician and philosopher who was also the librarian (Hypatia: Ὑπατία) was pulled from her chariot by enraged Christians, skinned alive and threw on to the pyre of books deemed damning to the newly emerged faith and church established by Constantine I at his Council of Nicaea (Eusebius, Vita Constantini IV:36-37) in 325 CE. The charge was that the librarian and the books refuted established canon and that there could be no scientific investigation or research if it contradicted Ptolemy or church accepted "truths" which Zeno declined as "rubbis" since Truth was permanent regardless of which god was worshipped.

The greaet tragedy today among writers, and many of those who claim to be professors of interpretation and translation, is their own self-serving incompetence. Scholarship is basically dead, but with your talent in composing blogs, you might be able to be the match to start a fire where the conduct of inquiry is strong one more time its flames lightening the Dark Ages that the effete like Antonin Scalia in law, Stephen C. Myer in science, and David Barton in history have snuffed out with their adulation towards fantasies found in one book and had such backward schools as the University of Texas at Austin recognize garbage by Mark Regnerus that was not even peer-reviewed by published by pseudo-academic journals, as with Social Science Research , that has been blasted by professional sociologists and others in the Chronicle of Higher Education. Why scholars allow publications that are flwed from the beginning and financed by those who have a particular agenda is the worse form of buying scholarship.

Even the Egyptians who gave the world most of what is today formed into Hoy Writ of Abiru (Hebrews) who were mercenaries for Akkadian soldiers fighting for Egypt, and the fathers of philosophy before the Greeks were basically civilized, rejected mere recitations without reference to other works. The Kybslion was scandalous as the mere questionng of a deity (who actualy was an attempt to explain reality) was considered nearly sacrosanct.


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CloudExplorer 3 years ago from New York City Author

Whoa!!!!

Man oh man now we're talking some truth, and history is our teacher for sure even if its misconstrued and all (Artifacts never lie and forensic evidence as well today). HOLY CRAP!

Dr. you and I both know something that most individuals have the slightest incline to even ponder on about, and mainly because its all been signed sealed delivered as misdirected messages, concealed esoteric agenda's one covering up the other etc...

Today's world is pretty much a mirror image of what has been going on for centuries, and once we all begin to realize that the only thing that has truly changed is how we see day to day reality, then and only then shall the ultimate truth to reality be unveiled.

For the most part people will buy in to whatever they see with their eyes, hear with their ears, and also taste with their mouths, which is a whole other story and issue I also been writing my heart out about (Food movement) on hubpages.

My mother use to lecture me about learning my history, about looking deeper into the past to discover who I really am, and this is my reasoning behind it all.

I don't care to try and save the world or nothing like that, but I do care to help other people to see that by uncovering things that have been potentially covered up, wrongly done, and out right lies, we can steer away from self destructive pathways today, and rather make better lives for ourselves and others for a more productive future.

This is my only reason for investigating things of the past that are indeed highly questionable, and so that my soul can be laid to rest someday (With a smile), and without feeling such guilt as if I was cheated somehow from a true life experience by never really finding out the real truth to this life we all live and the true historical happenings.

I will forever be on this quest, and I thank you for adding to the puzzle in my mind a bit, because your response has actually opened up my mind a great deal more, which Wikipedia hasn't done as for that aspect focused upon here with those puzzling questions I've always had since I became a true thinking student of ancient philosophy.

Oh and your response below is proof enough for me, and it doesn't need to be reprinted onto this hub at all, because its already there. Wow :)


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Dr. Arthur Ide 3 years ago from Iowa

Always ask your students "Why?" after they make a statement that they want accepted as fact--as did Socrates. There is no final answer, but you will open for them the door to learning, as people learn by asking: why, when, what, where, which, how, did, and so forth. Never accept a simple "Yes" or "No" to any question: (1) there is no "one word" sentence except in vulgar (street) language, and (2) in all grammar books of all languages, a sentence must have a subject (a noun or a member of the noun family: the article and adjective (an article is an adjective; it is the determiner, but there are more articles than "a", "an", and "the") and remind your students that there are 73 pronouns, 7 vowels (cry, dry, myth, mystery, are examples for the y, and 321 for the w). Do not base your emphasis on something that is established, but look to challenge students by arguing that which is debatable (Lincoln's "Proclamation of Emancipation" did not free all slaves--only in the areas and states in open rebellion). Let me know if I am able to be of future service and a resource.


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CloudExplorer 3 years ago from New York City Author

I enjoy being a student of philosophy and I'm still learning a great deal of things from everyone I come in contact with today. (Especially on hubpages)

One thing though is that I truly never want to feel as if I know everything, and so to keep learning more and more is an imperative for me, even though I truly believe in the absolute claim of nothingness as a part of my own personal philosophy.

Now as for the whole grammar issues, it's definitely one of those harsh standards that many people fail to fully comprehend. I tend to have a great deal of issues with writing perfect english, and it may be because I never really cared to try to master it all. It's quite OK with me though, because I know my words will only be worth whatever I put into them over time, and I'm not seeking to be put into any literary cavalcade LOL.

That's my personal view on the whole grammar thing, but as for meeting up to the standards of others whom may be reading the words I place into action, they can judge me as they choose. I guess thats why there's so many options for people to choose from. (I care not to be the most popular writer neither, just understood by some)

I will definitely work on improving my skills though as I have been trying already, and maybe going back to grammar school would help a great deal Hehe!

Anyhow thanks for the cool communications you've been rendering me, it was definitely worth while to have such cool discussions with you. Chat with you soon!


Pablo Javier Burga Altamirano 3 years ago

A proverb says : "When the student is ready, the master appears". Mr. Ide is a excellent professor who is always looking for awake your mind from that lethargy and mediocrity that many societies and poor education infect you. Another proverb says: " Teachers open the door, but you must enter yourself". Mr. Ide has opened the door of real knowledge, a deep seek of truth, and academical excellency to us; now the question is : Who is ready to walk through that door? It is all up to us...


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CloudExplorer 3 years ago from New York City Author

@Pablo Javier Burga Altamirano, Yes indeed I actually thought about asking the good Doctor if I could become his student and all, that would be so cool and a humbling experience indeed. I think the best way for such a thing to occur as a writer online would be for us to connect via webcam maybe on places like Skype or Google+.

That would be ultra cool, to work on such a level with a fellow hubber, and the funny thing is I felt like things were somehow headed that way here. I will discuss with him for sure, in detail all the shall take place digitally if he is to take on this awesome adventure into the unknown with me as my online mentor, and teacher.

It may become the first of its kind here on hubpages for sure, and something worth giving a try indeed as for a doctor to help a fellow writer learn to master other knowledge and his writing craft . I just hope he won't be charging me for his time, because to be honest I only earn what I make here on hubpages for now, and some other pennies I can scrape on from Youtube.

My online business isn't earning me much, so it will definitely be a long shot for me to get trained for free, but heck if he's willing to throw out some charity lessons, well then I'm all game. We will see what he has to say, either privately or here for the world to see.


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Dr. Arthur Ide 3 years ago from Iowa

Pablo Javier Burga Altamirano is a student of mine, studying at Universidad César Vallejo - Chiclayo (branch campus) where I teach Grammar, Writing, Phonics, Spelling and the history of the English language (all language names must begin with a capital letter), etc.. Among my books are several on grammar, spelling, writing, research, writing, translation (I am fluent in 36 languages) and career advancement (my final doctorate was earned from Carnegie-Mellon University, Pittsburgh; I was born in the state of Iowa, write for TheHub and other blogs--and am not afraid of tackling any subject as I do not accept such nonsense as "absolutes" or "infallibility"). My life (I am nearly 70 and do not plan to retire from teaching) and will help anyone who asks. Mr. Universidad César Vallejo is my first student (and an undergraduate) who has published a book: "El Pico del Pavo Real" and is working on another; I am proud of him and his work. My goal is to see others do the same. I do not charge for helping people (I do get paid at the university--not stellar wages as Perú is a very poor nation) and survive. I will help you here or if HubPages wants a column on good English or other topics (I have doctorates in languages, history, psychology [I teach the pscyhology of learning and also bullying], etcl. please ask. I will respond.

Good grammar, honed writing skills, and most of all the true conduct of inquiry where all things are open to questioning and reftuation, is not only essential for the individual but also for mortalkind, as too many wars are waged and people slaughtered over poor language skills and the misuse of words (as when George W. Bush used the vile word "crusade" that is similar to jihad and both words transmogrified into terrible meanings: crusade is understood in the Arabic world as a decision to kill women and children as did the crusaders of Pope Urban II, and jihad (originally meant an inward cleansing of the soul and spirt) has come to mean a battle against an opposing mortal force that has led to the insanity of suicide bombers, etc. I do reject street languages and all the errors that come with contractions (e.g. the contraction I'll is homophonic to aisle and isle, etc).

I do not accept time-weathered (beaten) mythologies such as "Christmas" as I wrote here on HubPages, nor do I accept misreadings of any holy writ (I go to the original language of any document from Greek or Hebrew, Sanskrit or any Slavic language to Hieroglyphics and cuneiform inscriptions, etc.) as I wrote on HubPages about the biblical definition of marriage (Maggie Gallagher is customarily and consistently wrong); privately I teach translation and interpretation, comprehension, etc.. If that does not discourage you, I am happy to assist you.


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CloudExplorer 3 years ago from New York City Author

@Dr. Arthur Ide,

Thanks for all the background info its quite revealing and dually noted. I'm interested in improving the learning process and mainly in the areas of ancient philosophy as you now know I do delve into from time to time.

Will do Doctor, I'll contact you soon for sure with my affirmative answer and I will let you know what I am seeking to learn if any other subjects are to come up in the future in my mind and up for inquiry.


Pablo Javier Burga Altamirano 3 years ago

Certainly I would like to be part of that digital learning proyect, and share knowledge and opinions that make us improve our thinking. I always wanted to find people who love learning, arguing and sharing knowledge, not just because an obligation or just memorizing texts to obtain a degree; I am talking about those unique individuals who really love learning about every topic simple because they enjoy it, and by improving themselves will be able to give the best to the world. This reminds me how was the education in the times of Plato, when youth, and whoever wanted to learn, went to The Academy. Sadly, now a days, real education is almost extinct, because it has sadly became just a business, and from that lack of seriousness about bringing a holistic and real education to form original and plenty human beings is that there are lack of professionals who really care about their students' learning process. Mr. Ide, has gently offered us his help by sharing his knowledge and experience. Answers like Mr. Ides' show us that he is a wonderful person, who trully love knowledge and teaching, Mr. Ide has donated, very generously, thousands of books to our university library, simply because he really wanted us to learn. Showing us, one more time, with proves, that his intentions as professional are always the best.


Pablo Javier Burga Altamirano 3 years ago

I would like to respectfully invite Mr. Ide, and the owner of this blog, Michael Pugh, to read one of my short and humbling articles in the topic of the philosophy of language, and give me opinions about it, if maybe it is right or wrong, please do not be afraid of tell the truth, it is better for me to know I am wrong and having the oportunity to improve myself, than never know the truth from learned people just for being afraid of critics. Actually, I prefer from you both to critic my work, please, because there are two kind of people who I usually talk during my daily life: Teachers and students. And there are two types of each one. One type of students are who read my work and say it is alright simply because I use a formal writing that they cannot easily understand , and they think simply because something is written in complex words it must be right. The other type of students just do not read my work because they are so busy giving likes in facebook and do not worry about reading anything that has more than one short paragraph as maximun. About the teachers, there is the first type who read my work an just check very basic grammar, and reading only the first paragraphs, always say:" It´s alright, It's alright..." after giving me a high grade. And the other type of teacher are who read my whole paper and then look at me and say : "It is alright, it is alright young boy..." after giving me more high grades; but they never tell me where I am right or wrong! I was starting to think that actually I could write every kind of nonsense bbullsshitt on my homework and nobody will care about or even notice it, just because I wrote something complex and long. That was the first impact I received as Mr. Ide's student, when I wrote an essay for his English course, and for the first time in my life I obtain a low grade and many comments, background information, and numerous (more than any teacher have ever detected on my work before) mistakes on red color. Then was when I finally was near to cry, and scream to the heavens: "Holy Godddd! finally someone is truly reading my work!"

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CloudExplorer 3 years ago from New York City Author

Thanks @Pablo for the comments, yes indeed it would be a joyous and intriguing thing for us all to communicate on such an effort together, you me and the Doctor. We will surely see in due time, I added you to my Google Plus, under the name of Mike Pugh. See you soon there as well.

I also enjoyed the reading of your article on Eblogger, it was very interesting indeed, and the whole grammar issues thing, is something I will be definitely needing to work on and improve over time as well.

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