From A Moderator’s Mouth: Overly Promotional Hubs

Whether you've had a hub flagged for overly promotional content, whether you're looking to avoid being flagged, or whether you're wondering what Hubs merit flagging, it's helpful to know exactly what to look for, so I've put together this Hub to tell you what we at HubPages look for. I hope it serves to clarify our rules and the moderation process, for hub-writers and hub-viewers alike!

Feel free to leave additional questions in the comments, and I'll do my best to answer them.

What is Overly Promotional Content?

When you sign up for HubPages, you agree to our Terms of Use, which prohibit publishing Hubs that are "overly promotional, including excessive linking to any one site or domain," "link to pages or sites that are unrelated to the topic and content of your Hub," or "attempt to automatically redirect Website users to other domains, mislead users of the origins of the content contained in your Hubs, or use your Hubs as storage for remote loading or to a website outside of the website."

The FAQs are a little more explicit about a specific definition of the term itself, but there remains much to be said about the particulars we look for when removing a Hub from circulation and asking an author to revise it. If your hub has been flagged as overly promotional, check against the following common problems to see whether your Hub falls into any of the following categories.

Common Problems

More than 2 links to a single domain

There is sometimes confusion over this, the simplest of the "overly promotional" guidelines. Web newbies may think that, in linking to different pages on the same site, they are not in violation of this rule. We do not look at individual pages, but rather at the domain name (everything before the .com or .net). Affiliate links like Clickbank sites and cloakers** like TinyURL, though they may navigate to different domains, all count as a single domain for the purposes of the 2-link rule. In general, news sites and wikis are exempt from this rule. **Note: cloakers provide their own specific problems, which are addressed in the section of that name, below.

Excessive use of cloakers

Some Hubbers think they can get around the 2-link rule with the use of cloakers or redirections. In fact, the use of cloakers backfires; they are considered "wild cards" and add to the total number of links to whatever other domains you've linked to directly. For example, if you have two affiliate links in a Hub, and one cloaked link, that puts you over the limit. In the same way, one affiliate link and two cloakers would also push your Hub into the category of overly promotional.

Short hubs with links

A Hub of only a paragraph, with little substance, or with a teaser and a link to "read more" is also considered overly promotional, since it does not provide our visitors with any real content, and simply bounces traffic to another site.

Promotional RSS feeds

Obviously, the use of RSS feeds often (if not always) means more than two links to a single domain. They do generally provide an exception to the 2-link rule, except in two cases. The first is affiliate feeds. We provide Amazon and EBay capsules to allow users to generate revenue from the display of relevant products on their Hubs, so affiliate links to these sites are redundant, and affiliate feeds to other websites break our 2-link promotion rule. The other is when a user has linked to the same site both in the body of the text and in an RSS feed capsule, especially when these make up the bulk of the outbound links on the Hub.

Unrelated links

Placing links to sites with content unrelated to the subject matter of your Hub is not permitted. This includes attaching a section to the bottom of every Hub advertising your blog, site, or affiliate opportunity, unless the Hub itself is about the same topic. Of course, the 2-link rule still applies in these cases, and "hiding" the link or links at the very bottom of the hub below a comment or RSS capsule won't make a difference in your link count.

A Few Final Words

Please note that this is not an exhaustive list of criteria. If your Hub has been flagged, but does not easily identify with any of these situations, that does not mean it is not overly promotional or was wrongly flagged. I am merely offering up some problems I often run into in the hopes that it helps answer some questions Hubbers commonly raise when their Hubs are moderated. If, after reading these common problems, you are still unclear as to why your Hub has been flagged, send an email to team@hubpages.com, rather than simply resubmitting it without making changes, as this may result in the banning of your account.

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James-wolve 3 years ago from Morocco

Very informative and useful.I have a question here:is it allowed to republish some hubs from a banned hubpages account into a new one?


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videogameviking 4 years ago from California

Thanks for the information! Is this rule applied to YouTube video capsule links, even if the videos are from different source pages? Also, does this rule include Amazon or eBay product capsule links?


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gconeyhiden 4 years ago from Brooklyn, N.Y.C. U.S.A

i have many abstract digital art images uploaded to my hubs photo site. is it ok for me the artist to write a nice lead in w photo to direct them to my abstract art portfolio. in my profile i do mention they are for sale. is this type thing allowed?


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HikeGuy 4 years ago from Northern California Coast

This answered many of my questions. Thank you.


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HubPages 4 years ago from San Francisco, CA

Fantastic Hub, Maddie. I added a link to the Learning Center entry on the Topic.


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Maddie Ruud 4 years ago from Oakland, CA Author

@jpwriter,

I mean that you cannot have any links on content that appears elsewhere on the web. This has become a moot point, since duplicate content is now forbidden across HubPages.

@samiaali,

You can definitely add your book by ISBN number to an Amazon capsule, as long as it is relevant to the Hub.


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samiaali 4 years ago

Hi Maddie Ruud, Thank you so much for such an informative Hubpage. I do have a question as I want to be absolutely sure that I don't do anything that I should not. I write poetry and recipe hubpages. I have just written a cookbook and would like to know if I can put a link to my cookbook on an Amazon capsule, when I get the ISBN number?

Thank you very much for any info you can give me.


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smartblogz 4 years ago

i got my answer from above hub....


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jpwriter 5 years ago

I think it's helpful to know what IS acceptable because we'll all come up with something that's not on the unacceptable list!

I don't understand the end of your comment about acceptable links:

"...up to 2 direct (ie uncloaked, unredirected) links to each domain you'd like to link to, on a hub of content that does not appear anywhere else on the web."

What do you mean by hub of content that's not on the web?

HP changed a lot in response to Panda, so I want to make sure this hub is still current (2 direct links MAX to the same domain)?

Thanks.


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vocalcoach 5 years ago from Nashville Tn.

Thanks Maddie for all your hard work and the support you give to all of us!


Michael Curry 5 years ago

geee I learned alot from this post.


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stars439 5 years ago from Louisiana, The Magnolia and Pelican State.

Inteesting hub. God Bless You.


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Bard of Ely 5 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal

Hi Maddie! I just discovered that a bunch of my hubs were flagged as overly promotional, having too many adverts and for having Amazon or eBay in the first place. So I have just had to sort this out, however, I am confused by I only started doing this after I saw other very successful hubbers here doing the same thing and thought I had better try it to make some more income. It hasn't worked on that score and has now got some of my hubs flagged too so was a waste of time and got me in trouble here! I still don't know how many adverts you are able to have though or why there are other hubs by other hubbers with plenty, unless they are flagged as well! So how many adverts can you display?


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AllieRambles 5 years ago from Bay Area, California

Perfect, just t he answer I was looking for. THX!


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standingscott 5 years ago

Wish I had found this BEFORE I made my first hub! :) In trying to highlight the usefulness of the site I was writing about, I added an RSS feed to the site which I was already linking to. DOH!

Wasn't trying to be overly promotional, just trying to be complete in my review by showing off features. (It was a Word of the Day feed from a foreign language dicitionary).

Anyways, now I know!


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loseweightmama 5 years ago from Maine

I got flagged after adding my rss feed so I deleted it. Hope that is all that is as I am just getting started with Hub Pages.


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theindianblues 6 years ago from Some where on the Globe

Learned about the topic by the main topic and the further notes of discussions as well - very useful for the struggling hubbers to know what is what and what is not acceptable.


structured cabling 6 years ago

Ooops - did not realise about duplicate content.

If i chamge some of the sentences of my hub page so they are not entirely unique. Is this acceptable.

Thanks,

Paul.


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Support Med. 6 years ago from Michigan

A must read and THANKS! Voted-up/rated.


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Info Bucket 6 years ago from Kerala, India

This is really helpful. Made me aware about what is over promotional hub...


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einron 6 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, CANADA

Thanks Maddie and mdtabish

I am still at a loss understanding promotional RSS feed, cloakers. Will go back to my hub that was flagged and try to salvage it.

When I saw that the ban was lifted up, I republished the hub. I could not understand why it was still considered promotional. Will read your instructions again for the 4th stime.


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Marisa Wright 6 years ago from Sydney

Bless you, Maddie,for your patience! I'm gobsmacked at the commenters here, who seem to expect all the answers in one Hub, including definitions of every piece of generic internet terminology.

I do have one request for clarification, though. I'm sure I saw a forum post, long ago, which said that an RSS feed counted as one link, so you were still allowed another link to the same site in the text. I know I have some Hubs where I've done that, with no penalty. However I've recently written a Hub with one RSS and one link, and it has a "you may be flagged" warning.

Can you just confirm the rule is now that you're only allowed either the RSS feed or two links?


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nearbuystore.com 6 years ago from Somewhere on the highway....

Thanks again for another great hub..I have been having problems with a hub or two of mine i will get to fixing them right away


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FduToit 6 years ago from Johannesburg, South Africa

Hi Maddie,

Thanks a lot for posting this helpful and very informative hub. I am new to hubpages and you really cleared up a lot of things for me. Btw, I am following you now. :)

All the best,

Francois


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bittybrasize 6 years ago

So, are Amazon and eBay links included in the 2-link rule? I'm sorry if this has already been answered. Thanks for all the helpful information.


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Storytellersrus 7 years ago from Stepping past clutter

Ok, it is way too late for me to try and figure out what you are saying in this hub, lol. I thought HIGH under ads meant that there were lots of possibilities for relevant Google ads! Oh man, I am clueless. I just write what I write. Sorry. I do love writing here. I will try not to violate the rules once I figure out what they are. In the meantime, if I stumble I will suffer the consequences.


Bostonian Banter 7 years ago

Thank you for your Hub. I am trying to understand the nuances of HubPages, but this is beyond me. I write and publish, and only have an understanding of the basics. People who dabble in what you have discussed have way too much time on their hands. Thank you.


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online4income 7 years ago from Online, in search of income

Thanks for info and explanations. I think most people at hubpages are innocent and don't use aggressive promotional techniques.

Some people who do these kind of things already know what they are doing.

Anyway thanks for providing this great information and helping each one of us to understand them.


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susantoandre 7 years ago from Surabaya

ok I will change the content inside.


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Maddie Ruud 7 years ago from Oakland, CA Author

Folks, please email me at team@hubpages.com if you have questions about a particular hub. General policy questions here, only, please.

As far as what IS acceptable (per BuyREO's question above), that's pretty simple: up to 2 direct (ie uncloaked, unredirected) links to each domain you'd like to link to, on a hub of content that does not appear anywhere else on the web.


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RobertHassey 7 years ago from United Kingdom

Very informative. It's no wonder I've heard other hubbers complain of being accused as overly promotional. I am particularly keen on misleading readers as to the source of the article. I'm not a big fan of lifting content and recycling them. I'm into online promotion, by the way.


Ghost32 7 years ago

Maddie, I just got around to reviewing this Hub and its Comments. I'm cool with the rules but really appreciate not only your original article but all of the "spot on" responses you've made here. Now I realize in full why I joined your Fan Club in the first place--originally, I don't believe I even noticed you were on Staff!


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stuback 7 years ago

Thanks! Helpful info.


daniels0 7 years ago

Hi,

When ever you mention a article which is flagged or duplicate you must have proof for that. I am Contiouly submitting a article and the Hubpages are keep ignoring that one again and again. I am very much upset from that there is no reason why they are keep ignoring my article without any proof. My article name is How To Make Money Off Ebay.


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phillip78 7 years ago

I'm new to hub pages, and my personal opinion. I feel it's to legalistic after reading this.


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BuyREO 7 years ago

So what is considered "acceptable promotional" use of hubpages? Could you please provide an example?

Say a hub with one link to a site that is selling something as long as the linked site is relevent to the hub and the content is original and exclusive to hubpages? The rules of what you "can't" do are quite confusing, perhaps an explanation of what is acceptable would clear things up for people who want to educate as well as promote. Thanks :)


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Tony Nova 7 years ago from Swimmin in Women, USA

Thanks Maddie. This was very helpful. :-)


MarketAdsSuccess 7 years ago

My post have been changed twice and I still recive the error posting is a duplicate. sorry, folks but this is not true. I have 4 other blogs so there may be some areas that the feed sees the same thing. I stick by the rules.


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virginialoanpro 7 years ago from Virginia

I second the question from RichardSpeaks above. Can I NOT post any of my own articles or blog posts? Should I/may I post things here first and then reference them on my own blog? As much as I would like to bring (hopefully) traffic to hubpages, I would not want to do it at the exclusion of my own site.


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dabeaner 7 years ago from Nibiru

I was flagged for duplicate content on a Hub. How do I find out what the other site(s) are, so I can see what the supposed duplication is and so I could perhaps edit my hub?


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esericsu 7 years ago from Indianapolis, IN

we need some examples!!! I still don't get it.


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AEvans 7 years ago from SomeWhere Out There

This clearly explains linking and thank you for the refresher and thorough explanation. :)


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RichardSpeaks 7 years ago from Portland, OR Metro Area

OK, I also have a flagged hub. Is it true that articles I have published elsewhere on the web are not considered original enough for here? My whole point of doing articles is to get them published in as many places as possible. I guess I'm in violation, eh?


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compu-smart 7 years ago from London UK

Another hub full of useful hub nuggots which ive read very carefully!! and also added to my hub!

:)


toparticls 7 years ago

Thank you for much for guidance and help.


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lbtrader 7 years ago from Canada

i can use that info...thx


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Rahsero 7 years ago from South-West Michigan

great! Thanks


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SeSharer 7 years ago from Tao

Thanks for explaining, it is really helpful..


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tjbooks 7 years ago from Idaho

I went to join HUB and found I was already a member. I wrote an article about six months or so ago. Anyway, I want to use hub again but I was not sure what is allowed as far as affiliate links, etc. Then I found your article and got the answer to my questions. So, I thank you.

I have more than 500 articles at EZA and more at other sites. Sometimes I write humor or humor scifi. EZA doesn't like that sort of thing. I see you do tolerate it. So, I'll be sticking my nose in here more often.

John


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abeerer 7 years ago from Earth

Many thanks, very informative. Also could you please me to understand that

You must verify your email address before you can join a fan club. A verification email was just sent.

each time when I want to subscribe in fans club it asks for code which says its just sent, and at my end I never recieved. How can I be your fan what do I have to do :-)


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gamergirl 7 years ago from Antioch, TN

Maddie, if I hadn't said it before, you are one patient and awesome lady. I learned more just by perusing the comments of this hub (having read the hub when you first posted it) and got a good giggle too! All this time I've been keeping myself to two contextual links (most of the time, I think) period. ><


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Maddie Ruud 7 years ago from Oakland, CA Author

Bruce:

Yep, that's me! Thanks for the kind words. I'm more than happy to help those who actually want to understand and comply... and it's thanks like yours that make up for all the cussing out I get from those who don't ;)


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Bruce Elkin 7 years ago from Victoria, BC Canada

Hey Maddie,

Are you the nice person who helps me out when I'm really confused? If so, thanks. And thanks for this hub. It clarifies a lot of things for me, reducing the confusion factor considerably. I really do appreciate the length HubPages goes to educate us unruly hubbers. TAlk about herding cats! But you do a great job, and I, for one, appreciate it -- and I bet a lot of others do too. Thanks!


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Maddie Ruud 7 years ago from Oakland, CA Author

Maclauren:

Perhaps I can clarify specifically on the RSS issue.  The rules for RSS are all the same as linking in general (so no unrelated RSS feeds, no RSS feeds on duplicate content, etc), except for two things: 1)No RSS feeds pointing to the same domain as links within the body of the hub (text and link capsules) and 2) No affiliate RSS feeds.

Hope that clarifies.


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Maclauren 7 years ago from Boston, MA.

this whole RSS thing has confused me more then it did in the beginning... I'll just remove all my RSS feeds entirely because nothing makes any sense to me when it comes to the whole social bookmarking subject. my bad for even trying.


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AEvans 7 years ago from SomeWhere Out There

Thank you for the clarification:)


Fineblogger 7 years ago

Thanks for the useful information and clearing the doubts which I had.


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anime_nanet 8 years ago from Portugal

thanks for the info. It clarified somethings.


Raymond Chua 8 years ago

Thanks. I'm clear now. :)


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Maddie Ruud 8 years ago from Oakland, CA Author

Loan Arranger:

If the feed is coming from your site, it still counts as promotional. If the feed source is a reputable news site (eg CNN, New York Times, Washington Post, etc) it isn't seen as promotional.


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The Loan Arranger 8 years ago

Hi Maddie,

Just a quick one re. RSS feeds. I have a news site that I was linking to using an RSS feed which although it looks like a subdomain of my main site, is infact on a different server and has a different ip address. I have now removed the RSS feed as hubs which had it on incured a 2+ link warning if I linked to the main site as well. Was this necessary as you mention that news sites are treated differently?


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OrangeCast 8 years ago from Dallas, TX

Very clear and concise. Thank you.


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Maddie Ruud 8 years ago from Oakland, CA Author

djsartin:

There's no resubmit button because the warnings don't actually flag or unpublish your hub! Only when your hub has been flagged and removed do they require a review before republication. Hope that clears up your confusion!

Maddie


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djsartin 8 years ago from Missouri Ozarks

Thanks Maddie,

Appreciate the very quick reply. As I mentioned, there was no button to resubmit after I altered a few of the pages...so hope I did okay.

Keep shinin',

DJ


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Maddie Ruud 8 years ago from Oakland, CA Author

Hi djsartin:

These warnings are a new feature we just added, to help out well-intentioned newbies who might not be clear on our rules.  Note that they do not affect your HubScore or the publication status of your hub, they simply alert you to possible problems so that you can correct them on your own and avoid being flagged. Please refer to the thread in the announcement forum: http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/4939

Amazon capsules will not turn up duplicates on your hub.  If you feel that you've received a duplicate warning in error, shoot me a note and I'll do a manual review.


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djsartin 8 years ago from Missouri Ozarks

Hi,

Am trying to learn more, however had quite a few of my hub pages suddenly tagged that I had originally done way last Fall. So tried to spot the offenses and fix things..however...there is now no link coming up to resubmit the altered pages like there was before.

I deleted some whole hubs simply because I could not figure out what was wrong with them...

Appreciate you doing this hub to help us understand more.

Also...is there any possibility that if we are placing the Amazon listings on the site and the books that come up are directly related to the hub that the system could pick it up as duplicate content.

Thanks for all you do,


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Maddie Ruud 8 years ago from Oakland, CA Author

zylla3philippines:

These rules apply to links in the body of your hub (so in text, link, or RSS capsules), and only links to outside of HubPages. I hope that's clear enough. ;) Let me know if you're still confused.


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zylla3philippines 8 years ago from Anaheim, CA

Thanks Maddie and mdtabish...I am now laughing and crying with the last 2-link rule explicit explanation...just what I need. That's why I'm not touching RSS yet. I'm not even done with Amazon and eBay either.

Another crystal clear explanation needed: is this link (the green one above) 'share it' or the 'link to this page' below included in the two-link rule or the one that you provide where readers can read and click within your hub? Or does it have anything to do with the url (optional) you provide when you leave a comment?

I know there's always some missing link in my brain when I'm reading rules. Thanks!


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mdtabish 8 years ago

Ok...Thank you. I am crystal clear now on all rules. Thanks. :)


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Maddie Ruud 8 years ago from Oakland, CA Author

mdtabish:

All links need to be relevant to the contents of the hub.  Otherwise you've got it right.


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mdtabish 8 years ago

Thanks Maddie,

I am cleared on the RSS Feed rule now. Also  i found your last and third last paragraphs comforting.

But this is totally new for me:

"I think you may be misunderstanding the 2-link rule, as well.  You are permitted up to two links to EACH domain that you link to (ie, two to yourblog.blogspot.com, two to ezinearticles.com, two to yoursite.com, etc)."

You mean i can have two links to each domain (which may also mean "as many domains as i wish whether relevant or not on the hub that contains content that is exclusive-to-hubpages")? Gosh, i am lost again on the rule i felt i have known.

Ok,

What i got from this NEW information about the 2-link rule is:

An exclusive-to-hubpages hub content talking of best books of this past millenium can have two links to myblog.blogspot.com (on baseball), myfathersblog.blogspot.com (on chess), mymothersblog.blogspot.com (on cooking), myunclesblog.blogspot.com (on cigars), mydaughter-who-is-yet-to-born.blogspot.com (on magic), www.booksaregreat.com, and just as many number of domains i wish???


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Maddie Ruud 8 years ago from Oakland, CA Author

Hi again mdtabish:

Regarding that link, it seems to have picked up a period.  Simply take the period off the end, and it will get you to the right place.

My point above is that you ARE allowed RSS feeds, as long as they are not affiliate leads or point to the same site that you're already linking to in the text.  RSS feeds are *an exception* to the 2-link-per-domain rule.  RSS feeds, when relevant and used responsibly, are actually advantageous as far as helping to keep hubs fresh and attractive to search engines.

I think you may be misunderstanding the 2-link rule, as well.  You are permitted up to two links to EACH domain that you link to (ie, two to yourblog.blogspot.com, two to ezinearticles.com, two to yoursite.com, etc).

Unfortunately, I cannot clarify an absolute number of hubs over which repeated linking will become a problem.  It depends on a lot of factors, including your total number of hubs and the percentage in which you link to the same site.  However, we are reasonable with such penalties, and well-intentioned hubbers generally have nothing to fear.  This policy is merely meant to catch people who come to HubPages soley with the intention of directing traffic elsewhere.

Thanks for raising these questions.  Part of the reason I encourage people to ask out here in the open is so that the answers might be beneficial to more than just the one who inquires.

We have recently instituted automated warnings that help to direct new hubbers in the right direction by alerting them to potential problems with their hubs. Also note that one innocent offence will not result in any permanent damage to yourself or your standing at HubPages. I, too, make mistakes. We're all human. If you're even in doubt about why a hub has been flagged, you can feel free to email me at team@hubpages.com for clarification.

Best,

Maddie


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mdtabish 8 years ago

Hi Maggie,

I am sorry for keep bothering you with my questions, but i really don't want my account or hub(s) getting unnecessarily penalised for unintentionally going against the hubpages rules not ALL of which are told or vaguely told on hubpages.com

As for my query on RSS Feed, you didn't answer why then there is an option to add RSS Feed(s) on the 'create/edit hub' page? Don't you think if adding RSS Feed is disadvantageous for hubpages users, the option of adding one should not be there?

Clicking on the link http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/4668. is taking me to a page that reads this:

We're sorry, that page could not be found!

If you typed the URL yourself, please make sure that the spelling is correct. If you clicked on a link to get here, there may be a problem with the link. Or check our tag pages for your keywords: forum topic 4668

...and when i am clicking on 4668, the page that shows up reads this:

Hot Hubs · tagged 4668 No hubs found.

I would also like to share my thoughts about the rules and their vagueness which is causing problems.

But first few words of apology, you are absolutely right; from the comments of other hubbers above, it is clear that it was only me who couldn't understand this hub, which clearly means there is nothing wrong in the style of explanation, and please accept my apology for unnecessarily suggesting to hire a writer for writing explanatory hubs.

Now let me come to the 2-link rule. The rule says that a hubber can add 2 relevant links of his two different websites/blogs at the end of the content of an original, exclusive-to-hubpages.com hub. Then the rule says that "linking repeatedly to the same domain across a large number of hubs may affect your HubScore." Now, the phrase "a large number of hubs" is a subjective phrase. I feel it will be a lot comprehensive for hubpages users if you kindly set a fixed number of hubs to which the links can be added. Be it 4, 6, 8, or better something like; a hubber with total number of 2 hubs published can add links to 1 of his hubs. 50% of hubs of a hubber can have links to be accurate.

I really think this will be a lot helpful for hubpages users.

Now, please allow me to come to the 'overly-promotional' rule. On this hub, under the heading "A Few Final Words" what is written is making the 'overly-promotional' rule vague. You see, i can guarantee that no hubber wants any of his/her hubs marked 'overly-promotional'..and since it is the situation, i feel hubpages management should enlist all those practices that can penalise hubs as overly-promotional for the good of hubbers.

I also think this will be a lot helpful for hubbers and they will thank you for doing so.


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Maddie Ruud 8 years ago from Oakland, CA Author

mdtabish:

The first two sentences under the "Promotional RSS Feeds" heading read: "Obviously, the use of RSS feeds often (if not always) means more than two links to a single domain. They do generally provide an exception to the 2-link rule..." and then goes on to explain when they become a problem (either if it is an affiliate feed, or if you link to the same site in the body of the text).

HubScore is based on many factors, among them traffic, where that traffic comes from, originality of content, variety and reputation of outgoing links, etc. Speaking of Darkside, he's written a great hub on the subject, which you can find a link to in the FAQ sticky thread on the help forum at http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/4668. You might also want to peruse some of the other information offered there.

And thanks for the suggestion. Searching the help section is already on our list of features to add.


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mdtabish 8 years ago

Have a suggestion; Please make the Help section of hubpages searchable.


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mdtabish 8 years ago

Could you be please also kind enough to explain me that what will happen to a person who gets low hubscore, low over-all hubscore, and low authorscore?

Is it that there are different penalties for each of them or the same penalty or penalties for all of them together?

Suppose a person gets low hubscore, but has average over-all hubscore and average authorscore, what will be the penalty in this case?

What types of penalties are there?

I am just concerned that i do not do anything that gets my account or any of my hubs penalized.


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mdtabish 8 years ago

Hi Maddie,

Thanks. Darkside's reply helped.

I now have problems in understanding the text under the heading "Promotional RSS Feeds" above.

What i got from that text is that RSS Feeds are not allowed in the hub under whatever circumstances as they provide more than 2 links. But i am wondering how come there is an option of adding RSS Feed or RSS Feeds (I don't know) in the creating/editing a hub(s).

I am also wondering why would anybody want to add an RSS Feed to their hub in the first place? Can it bring traffic to the hub? If yes, how and why?


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Maddie Ruud 8 years ago from Oakland, CA Author

Hi mdtabish:

I'm sorry you found this hub hard to understand. As you can see, many people above you did find it helpful. If you actually read the descriptions beneath the headings, I give an explanation of each of those terms, or, in the case of cloakers, provide a link to Wikipedia.

I had to deny your two follow-up comments with links to explanatory hubs you DID like, for the use of trackers. It is considered poor etiquette to use trackers on the forums, or in the comments of someone else's hub.

If, upon careful reading, you still have specific questions, you're welcome to ask them here (you can see I've answered several questions in the comments above already) or email me directly at team@hubpages.com


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mdtabish 8 years ago

Mods and admins of hub pages don't really know how to explain things, do they?

Sorry, but a thumbs down from me. Can't understand any single hub from mods and admins here. Very poorly explained.

Request: Please hire a professional writer who write the explanatory hubs on your behalf so that people can actually understand what is allowed on HP and what is not.

Promotional RSS Feed, Cloakers, Overly Promotional Hubs are the kind of terms i am unable to understand from your writings. I am afraid i will get my hubs and account blocked as odds are high that i can unintentionally break the 'so many complicated rules' if not explained "un-poorly" soon.

I noticed that there are a lot of people on HP who are confused over the rules. I am just one irritated of them. :(

Do you think it will be better for me to delete my account myself and don't re-sign up unless I understand completely all the rules so as to avoid unintentional breaking of the rules from my side?


SirDent 8 years ago

Thanks, Maddie.


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bigdaddy 8 years ago from Palm Beach Gardens

I think I may need to adjust some of my RSS feeds.


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Maddie Ruud 8 years ago from Oakland, CA Author

Sir Dent:

Links to other hubs are always allowed, as long as they're relevant to the content at hand.


SirDent 8 years ago

Do links to other similar hubs count as overly promotional?


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Andy Xie 8 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Thanks Maddie for all this. I didn't know about the 2-link rule either, but now that I do, I'll keep it in mind. Thanks again.


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Laura Marie 8 years ago from UK

I am relatively new here so its good to read the guidelines, tahnsk for explaining them


RUTHIE17 8 years ago

Thanks Maddie for the great info. Clarification always helps!


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Craig Dewe 8 years ago from Auckland, New Zealand

Thanks for the information, I wasn't aware of the 2 link rule and while I don't think I break it anywhere I'll be keeping it in mind.

It's also nice to have this sort of information and be told when you've done something inappropriate. Much better than receiving hidden penalties and not knowing what you're doing wrong. I think we're all trying to do the best for all involved here and that's why I like HubPages.


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Filiz 8 years ago from Sausalito, CA

Many thanks for this!


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colin mcdermott 8 years ago from Manchester UK

Glad I stumbled accross this!

Two of my hubs were marked as sub par- but I had put a lot of effort into them so I was confused. This clears it up - it was probably more than one link to the same website.

Will tidy up and resubmit :)

Tah!


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outlawbybirth 8 years ago from Lycraville, Florida

Opps


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b opinionated 8 years ago from California

Increrdibbley useful information for a new hubber like myself. Thanks for all the information!


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Ponderize 8 years ago from California

I just had these exact questions, so glad I found this article. Thanks.


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Dorsi 8 years ago from The San Francisco Bay Area

Thanks Maddie. I have an interesting hub that has been a real challenge for me that I'm working at in draft form right now. It's an interesting subject from a writers standpoint, but because of the content I have to be careful not to be overly promotional.


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William F. Torpey 8 years ago from South Valley Stream, N.Y.

I don't think I promote anything on my hubs, but this is good information to know. Thanks, Maddie.


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Soya 8 years ago from India

very useful info


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traffickahuna 8 years ago from Pittsburg

Thanks for the great info. :D


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esocial 8 years ago from California

Thanks for the info!


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Shirley Anderson 8 years ago from Ontario, Canada

Yikes! I put links to kijiji sites in different countries.....should I pull them out of my hub to avoid being flagged?

Thx, Maddie! You are doing a great job!


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Mary K Weinhagen 8 years ago from Minnesota, usa, Planet Earth

I am so delighted to find hubs that clarify how to best use and create hubpages.

Thanks so much for this hub, Maddie.

(Now I've just gotta figure out how to get a picture up by the text like your can of spam! ;-))

~~Mary K


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Andy Xie 8 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Thanks for posting this great info! I especially agree with the unrelated links.


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Maddie Ruud 8 years ago from Oakland, CA Author

quotations:

The issue of commercial hubs is very different from overly promotional ones. Commercial hubs are simply any that have links to outside websites other than reputable news sites or non-profits. If you have affiliate links, links to your own website, or links to a website that sells or promotes any products on your hub, it needs to have an ad setting of high. A reputable news site like CNN.com may have advertising on its articles, but linking to an article as reference would not mandate a "commercial" setting on your hub. In contrast to the standards for "overly promotional" hubs, however, if you're linking to your own blog or to Clickbank, it doesn't matter how many times you do so, that hub automatically qualifies as commercial.

Hope that clarifies.


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commentonthis7 8 years ago

good info thanks


SirDent 8 years ago

Very good info. Thanks for sharing.


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Tessali 8 years ago from United States

Thanks, Maddie. This does clarrify a lot. I at least understand a lot more than I did before. I still do not know what an RSS feed is. Yes, I know, I am a little slow in this Internet World of technology. I don't use it because I have no clue what it is. Silly me!


sharikraemer73 8 years ago

Thank you this is very helpful! All of my confusion is gone.


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In The Doghouse 8 years ago from California

Thanks Maddie, this will help a lot.


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Whitney05 8 years ago from Georgia

Looks great Maddie. Tons of helpful information. A great guide to go to if you get a little confused.


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Rob Jundt 8 years ago from Midwest USA

Great advice clearly explained.


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quotations 8 years ago from Canada

Thanks for the clarification.

I have a question about when a hub is considered commercial or not. I have read the FAQ but I am still unclear about what linking "to other commercial sites" means. Obviously if I linked to a site that sells something that would be commercial. But what if all they are an information site and only "sell" advertising. Is that commercial?

Someone on the forums posted a comment saying that if you link to any site that has advertising then your hub is considered commercial (even if you have nothing to do with the site you link to and receive no benefit from that site.) Is that true? If it is then basically any hub with an outbound link would be commercial because it would be difficult to find a site to link to (except of course Wikipedia) that did not have some form of advertising such as adsense. I realize this question is not entirely on topic, but I would greatly appreciate it if you could clear this up for me.

Thanks in advance.


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Gadzooks 8 years ago from United Kingdom

Thanks, I just deleted my rss feed after reading this as that pointed to same domain...


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joblot 8 years ago from Ringwood

Thanks for the clarification - useful info.


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TotalHealth 8 years ago from Hermosa Beach, CA

Thanks for the guidelines, definitely helpful.


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Ralph Deeds 8 years ago

Thanks. That's helpful.


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Maddie Ruud 8 years ago from Oakland, CA Author

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