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Plagiarism is Stealing


Most of us come to Hubpages so that we can earn some extra money. And I am sure you will agree, the cash comes in useful as long as you put the work into your Hubs.

And the one thing that you never think of is plagiarism. When you write it is from the heart. You don't expect someone to copy your work. You write because you want to, or need too.

But the main reason is not the money. And especially not the reason why you write for Hubpages. Take me, for example. I have been writing ever since I was about 10 years old. I am not saying I was a good writer, I was, and am just a writer. So, what does that mean? Well, it's a feeling.

And that feeling can hit you wherever you are, whether its in the queue of the local store, usually comes to me with about ten people in front! Or maybe when you are just sitting down to eat your dinner.

You suddenly get a strong feeling and a need for at the least, a pen and paper, or mainly a PC. What makes you feel like that? Usually something that has got your interest on the TV while you are eating. Or an article in the Newspaper. Who knows? That feeling can hit you at any time.

I suppose the best way to explain it, is to say its like an addiction. Where I am concerned, I get that feeling about reading too. I can sit there for hours just reading away, totally ignoring the chores around me. Then ten minutes before someone comes home, out comes the hoover, duster and mop and I wizz around the house like superwoman!

So, back to Hubpages. I searched for loads of sites before I got to this one. And the second I hit that button that said 'join', I felt that this was the right one. Why? you may well ask. Because, like you, I found a platform for my ramblings, intellect, or lack of! and an addiction to writing. No more bits of paper. No more rejection slips or waiting for months for a reply.

And that's what I call perfect!

So, why does plagiarism drive me mad?

A bit like giving birth!

Now we know the reason why we write, we'll get to how we feel about our work. This is going to sound a bit stupid, but its like giving birth! Yeah, you heard me! I love doing all the research, I missed college, went to night school and still have withdrawal pangs. So, we browse through books, go to the search engine and try to find odd snippets that we have missed and we add photos or documents.

Then, just like the author in Stephen Kings Misery film, I get out a cigarette, I know, don't nag I only smoke 5 a day! place it next to me, hit the publish button, and then, voila! I light my cigarette! I suppose I should lock all the doors at that point, just in case someone comes in to hit me over the head with a typewriter! or hobble me! If you haven't seen the film, well, you don't know what your missing!

And then, there it is. Its taken a good long while to do all of the work, and then we have to try and promote it. So, the point I am making is that its not necessarily about the money. The information has come from our minds. Us. No one else on the planet. And that's what ticks me off.

Someone, somewhere decides that, actually they can't be bothered to do any of the work, so its fine to just steal it. But its not just our work they are stealing. Its our mind. Its our thoughts, and most importantly, its our experiences. Whether it's a personal piece, or an historical fact, the idea for it came from us.

To some extend I can, and do understand if the person stealing it comes from a non English speaking country, is very poor and will do anything to earn a few bucks. But when its someone who claims on their site that they are a professional singer, actor etc, and produces photos to prove it, then I go ballistic!

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Definition of Plagiarism

The unauthorised use or imitation of the language and thoughts of another author and the representation of them as one's own original work.

And something used and represented in this manner.

Source: Dictionary.com


Is Plagiarism just an annoying fact of the Internet? Or is it theft?

I believe that these people need to learn a lesson. And the only way that it will sink into their heads is if we name and shame them! Not only will they think twice before doing it again, it will give the opportunity to other Hubbers to check out their websites to see if they have done it to them.

Why now? Well, as someone stated on the forums, Since the new domain has come into being, will our hubs be regarded as 'New?'. If they are, and if they do suddenly change dates, will our hubs suddenly be regarded as the 'copied' version? Good thinking? Or silly?

What do you think?

After all the Hubs that have been written, we don't want to lose out on the search engines just so that someone who can't be bothered to do any work, reap the benefits. Plagiarism is a crime.

So, do you think its a good idea? Or am I having a grumpy day? You decide!

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Copyright Nell Rose


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Fullerman5000 profile image

Fullerman5000 5 years ago from Louisiana, USA

I can not stand people who cant think for themselves. its ashame.


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WillStarr 5 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

Do you know that you're being plagiarized?


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2besure 5 years ago from Charlotte, North Carolina

I don't bother to run these miscreants down. I know writers who are always looking to see if their content has been stolen. I would rather used my energy to write. You reap what you sow. They won't really prosper.


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Rock_nj 5 years ago from New Jersey

I had the strangest plagiarism experience a few years ago. I wrote a diatribe about the U.S. occupation of Iraq on a fairly high profile political message board. I was startled to see Anderson Cooper on CNN use my diatribe a couple days later during his broadcast. It was so verbatim and such a different angle that I can't see how he just came up with it himself.

I have to admit, I was a bit flattered by the plagiarism. But I did not put much effort into my diatribe. Someone who takes hours or days to write something, including a Hub, is right to be upset if someone copies their original work.


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Cardisa 5 years ago from Jamaica

I don't know what I would do seeing my work on some one else sight... I probably would do something drastic. I know that other hubbers find their work elsewhere, I was hoping you would call some names so we could come up with a plan to stop this.


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sassyk73 5 years ago from Milwaukee, WI

You reap what you sow. What happens in the dark will surely come into the light. You can't hide from karma.


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Nell Rose 5 years ago from England Author

Hi, Fullerman, it just drives me insane! I suppose we should be flattered but its the fact that they sit there ready to pounce! lol

Hi, Will, yes, virtually every single hub! not the ones that are totally personal, but saying that, I did have one ages ago that was about my family! the funny thing was a person who commented on the piece said, 'what are you talking about, you never lived in a caravan in England!' how stupid was that? thanks again nell

Hi, 2besure, yes you are right, it was just the new domain thing that bothered me, thanks again nell

Hi, Rock, wow straight at the top! I suppose most people who don't write on the internet believe that they can use what they like, its a public domain, but very impressive! lol thanks for reading, cheers nell

Hi, Cardisa, I was going to then I thought maybe I should put it out there to see what people think. am I being petty? I don't know, but of course there are sites where you can put your url to see if its been copied, maybe have a go? just put in the word plagiarism in the search engine, loads of these sites will come up, okay? thanks again nell

Hi, sassy, yes you are right, that's why I never named anybody, but still its so annoying! lol thanks again nell


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WillStarr 5 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

I'm curious...if you are being plagiarized, is it word for word or only the gist of what you wrote?

And how do you know that?

HubPages deletes Hubs that are near duplicates.


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Nell Rose 5 years ago from England Author

Hi, mlangford, good for her, I am glad she did, this goes on much to often, especially since google state that they are trying to clean up the internet! thanks for reading, cheers nell

Hi, Will, its word for word! maybe sometimes they change the title just slightly, but yes every single darn word! even the photos that I use! unbelievable! Hubpages do delete some, and I fell into the trap of thinking that there were only two or three copied, but for some reason Hubpages misses tons of them! I came to the conclusion that it is maybe that we change the title after making our first url, in other words when we first go into hubpages and start a hub, we call it one thing and it gets recorded. Then maybe we decide that we don't like that title and change it, different title different url. It seems that Hubpages can't pick up on this. give it a try, write one of your titles in the search box, exactly as you have written it in your hub, and see what happens, maybe not your stories, but something that will be more general, you will be surprised! thanks again, nell


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dashingclaire 5 years ago from United States

It's really hard enough coming up with hubs without someone taking your work.


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Ms Dee 5 years ago from Texas, USA

Thanks for this hub alerting us! Yikes! I will go check on mine.


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Alastar Packer 5 years ago from North Carolina

Sometimes they'll pull off key words in the title too! For example: Big Dog: See Spot Run. You type in the whole title, nothing; type in Big Dog, bingo, there it is above yours on the google page!. Anything we write is ours and its the same thing if it were a screen-play, book, magazine article etc. etc. We should do what we can to help each other. Check this out for what its worth, a fellow hubber wrote a Hub on it recently and I wish I could recall his name off-hand. Myfreecopyright.com, maybe a few of them will think twice if you have this, it lets em know you mean business!


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Barbara Kay 5 years ago from USA

I had one of my hubs copied and it didn't even make any sense, because it was one that I haven't ever made any money from.


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Vivi52416 5 years ago

Copying something that someone wrote and presenting that work as your own is plagerism.

If "A" copies what "B" said in a comment and "A" posted what "B" commented on WITH "B"'s name (NOT "A"'s) then how is that plagerism?


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bethperry 5 years ago from Tennesee

Nell, perhaps I'm a bit biased because I am an author, but I think plagiarism is worse than most other forms of theft as it involves robbery of original ideas. Changing a few words or the title or both is just "throwing Cover-girl over the evidence" so to speak.

But I do feel that if material is used as quotations and proper credit is used, this is not plagiarism.


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Jean Bakula 5 years ago from New Jersey

Hi Nell,

I understand how you feel. I do so much research and put so much into a hub, it is like giving birth, all that creativity. I am self publishing my tarot book, and so haven't had as much time for HP lately. When I do, I'm fixing up my old hubs, that I wrote in one capsule when I was a newbie. I wondered what happens if you change the title of a hub too. I have done it several times to get more people paying attention. But I wonder if anyone is using them under the old names?


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Spirit Whisperer 5 years ago from Isle of Man

Hi Nell, a hubber called edweirdo provided software called hubdefender for writers in hubpages to check if their work is being plagiarised. As not enough people signed up for it he has since taken it down. It was a brilliant service and only cost $5. I wonder if enough people petitioned him would he start it up again.

On another note I also feel that there is no difference between plagiarism and the way many writers use pictures and art work without giving the artist any credit. Can you imagine the work that goes into creating these beautiful pictures and how they must feel when they find their work being used without their permission?

This is a great hub and you have brought up an issue that many writers seem oblivious to. I think if more writers were aware of how their work is being used unknown to them they would certainly be up in arms. Thank you Nell.


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Lisa HW 5 years ago from Massachusetts

They steal anything and everything, and they steal in ways nobody would even guess unless/until they ran into a few incidents and discovered yet more ways things are stolen.

I don't know if the new thing with Google Profiles will slow it down some, or if it will end up facilitating yet more theft (of one thing or another), but I filled out the whole profile, got all my reciprocal links (between my writing and my profile) and at least got my "authorship" established with Google. I figure, if nothing else, it might stop people from stealing high-profile material, posting it, and getting the real author's article kicked off searches for being "duplicate content". Also, a lot of stolen stuff gets hidden in some way. I had a string of HP URLs show up on a blog (with no owner information), but when one clicked on the active link it brought them to ads - not my Hubs. THEN, after I made a big deal about it to a few places, the links disappeared and showed up buried deeper into the site.

One encouraging thing (and maybe I'm misguided about this) is that now that I have the Google profile set up, they notify me with a message that says they found a piece of writing that I may want to include in my author's links on their profile. So, even if I've forgotten I have something out there, Google has been finding it (which lets me "claim" the link as my own on my profile). At least it should help keep people from stealing an article "as is" and just posting it on something like a WordPress blog with no accountability.


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christopheranton 5 years ago from Gillingham Kent. United Kingdom

It happened twice with me. The first time the miscreant just copied and pasted my article into another site, and my original did get unpublished. I had a lot of hassle getting it republished.

The second time the person rewrote the story, but it was still recognisably mine.

Its a horrible feeling to discover your writing has been stolen. It is akin to coming home and finding your home burgled.

I'm right behind anyone who thinks it can be stopped by any means.

Thanks Nell for highlighting this problem.


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attemptedhumour 5 years ago from Australia

Hi Nell, how did you discover the copied hubs? Did you just chance upon them, or is there a way that you can check?

No one has copied any of my hubs yet, and I can't for the life of me think why?

Cheers.


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CMHypno 5 years ago from Other Side of the Sun

If you use Chrome, one of the quickest ways to check if your hub has been copied is to highlight some of your text and right click. Google will search that block of text and you can easily see where it has been copied. What amuses me is that they even copy the 'Copyright CMHypno' sentence that I put at the end of every hub.

What doesn't amuse me is the amount of time it takes to pursue these bottom feeders to get the stuff taken down. Most web masters are great at responding promptly, but sometimes you just get no response at all.

It's theft, just the same as if someone stole a piece of jewelry or a pot you had made, and needs to be treated as such


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clark farley 5 years ago

My experience with plagerism has been with the practice of 'scraping'.

There is a certain mentality seems to have flourished with the development of the internet itself, a sense that certain practices are valid because of the technology that we all enjoy.

In my profession, (real estate sales), there is a common practice of 'wholesale' copying listings of properties for sale and using them as content in a website that targets home Buyers. The people who run these websites use my property (i.e. the listing of a certain property) will then go to real estate agents and offer to 'sell' the Buyers they have gathered back to me and real estate agents in the region, for a referral fee.

Unfortunately this is very common in the real estate business and even though none of the people who produce the content that is being 'plagerized' like it, there are no rules against this practice. It is considered a valid business practice.

When pressed, the rationale is offered, 'well, the Seller of your property has greater exposure to the market and may sell their property quicker, why should you complain?'

This may seem like a bit of a reach from the topic of plagerizing Hubs and stories and such, but I would submit that there is something about the 'ease of access' that the internet environment allows, that has produced a shift in perception, there is a fundamental change in how many people perceive the rules of ownership of intellectual property.

Here at Hub Pages, I have twice found my content on sites that, while they were not directly selling my content or offering it as their own property, there were ads all over the website itself (just like here at Hub Pages).

I conclude that my content was being used to attract readers and the site would profit from adsense or some other app. (In both cases, when reported, Hub Pages said there was very little it could do.)

Hate to say it, but, economics is (once again) trumping morality.


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prasetio30 5 years ago from malang-indonesia

My five hubs have been copied by other side without edited at all, including the pictures also. I am not angry with them who stolen my work. I just pray for them. They will realize what they done in copying other works and they become more creative with making good writing by their self. I hope this hub will be read many people and we get motivation in doing the best. Thank you very much for writing this and share with us. Up and useful.

Prasetio


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Anaya M. Baker 5 years ago from North Carolina

Arrgh. I hate plagerizers, and I do get angry about it. And by this I don't mean the occasional borrowing of an idea- that's annoying, but not the end of the world. I'm talking about someone who copies the text of your work and claims it as their own, especially for financial gain. GRRR. I'm with you Nell, I say name 'em and shame 'em, and lets grab our torches and pitchforks too!


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WillStarr 5 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

Hi Nell,

Here's a free and very good plagiarism checker:

http://www.dustball.com/cs/plagiarism.checker/


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Nell Rose 5 years ago from England Author

Hi, Alastar, it was amazing how many of my hubs were stolen, I have just started using Plagiarise site to check, and luckily I have managed to get one taken down, now for the next 100! thanks again nell

Hi, Barbara, I know just what you mean! it happened to me! how stupid is that? I think the person came from a country where they didn't speak english, as it had my name and copyright written on it! drives me mad! thanks for reading, cheers nell

Hi, Miss married, susan lang and mlangford, I appreciate you reading this, but I have read your hubs and I would rather not get involved in your disputes, if you comment on my hub that's great, but please keep your personal stuff to yourself if its an argument, thanks nell


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PegCole17 5 years ago from Dallas, Texas

After a comment on the forum I followed Nell's advice and checked my titles on Google. Yep! I immediately found three sites with one of my articles copied almost word for word. Like Alastar said, they add one word to the title that puts their work ahead of yours. It is very frustrating to find this, while at the same time, flattering that they imitated me.

About naming them, I'm all for that once they've had a chance to respond to my 'nice' comment I left for them on their site.

I've already reported one offender to RedGage and got back an automated message. We'll see what they do.


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Nell Rose 5 years ago from England Author

Hi, vivi, thanks for reading, it seems that a dispute is going on with the above hubbers, I would rather not get involved, in my case there are lots of hubs out there with my word for word hubs on them, drives me mad! lol the best way to track them is use the plagiarise site, I tried it for a few minutes last night and it seems to do the trick, thanks again nell

Hi, beth, yes I quite agree, if they put your name or a link to the page then fine, its when they take credit or never mention where it comes from that drives me mad, and as you say especially if you are an author as you are, I can imagine it would really be upsetting, thanks so much nell


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Nell Rose 5 years ago from England Author

Hi, Jean, good luck with the book, I think the problem is when you change titles, that's when hubpages cannot pick it up, its a shame because we all change titles sometimes, especially if we feel its more appropriate to the hub, maybe hubpages can tweak something to pick this up? cheers nell


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wereview4u 5 years ago from London, Uk

I think in the end it all comes down to all these sites on the internet offering free or paid articles and guides with plr and mrr licenses, most of the content is already being used on other websites and is really old. But most of the people who buy this type of content don't bother reading the licences that came with them, and that's where they go wrong, sometimes they don't even change or edit the content as they think it can just be used as it is. I wouldn't be surprised if most of the content on hub-pages and place that are similar, have already been made into a plr or mrr content pack to sell on for profits, or give away with there websites services like a subscription based. You can check out the way people make plr and mrr articles on Google, short example would be mixing two articles together to make a unique article that will not show up on Google or hub-pages as duplicate content. Really there's nothing you can do but report them.


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Pollyannalana 5 years ago from US

I have read that is how hundreds make their money, they have no real talent, they just take someone elses and change it to become theirs and in fact I have heard some don't even bother to change a thing. That is why if it really means much to me I have a legal copyright and it drives me crazy because I have so many right now I want to get out there but I want to get a book together first so it is allowing me to add more but costing me time I really don't have. Hubpages won't even allow you to use the Declaration of Independence which I think is sort of stupid, it was to compare a poem I was writing with but if they are that on top of what is all online, looks like other places would be. Is it a certain place people are mainly doing this? If they are making money with it sure I would sue them! Why not?


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Green Lotus 5 years ago from Atlanta, GA

Very timely Nell. You always write about what's on my mind. Not only are my Hubs plagiarized, other articles I've posted on syndication sites will copy them without any attribution to the author. I've been spending too much time lately writing DMCA letters. I feel like I'm trying to bail out a sinking ship.


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b. Malin 5 years ago

What a Wonderful and totally Honest Hub you have written on the Sad Subject of Plagiarism, Neil. I can't imagine anyone wanting to do this. A writer, is a Writer, it's in our blood to want to say it all! What satisfaction could someone get from copying someone's thoughts, someone's work. But, sadly we all know it's done ALL the time. Yes, I do think it's a crime. Thanks for sharing this timely Hub.


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ianleverette47 5 years ago from Brinston, Ontario Canada

I was hoping to see some of the names of these thieves, but I guess you forgot to type them in.

Just make sure not to enter my name!

I hope my stories came from my head. There can't be two of us out there with a brain so twisted when it comes to fiction.


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DzyMsLizzy 5 years ago from Oakley, CA

I've only had that happen once, (that I am aware of). My hub on public utilities and corporate greed was picked up and copied verbatim, (public domain) photo and all, onto T.U.R.N.'s (The Utility Reform Network) website, under their "TURN in the news" section. (At least they copied it fully enough to have my byline, but it was 'just there' with no external credit or acknowledgement....)

While I was to some extent flattered, to have it picked up by a major website, it still irritated me that they had just copied and published it without so much as an inquiry. So I sent an e-mail telling them that the whole point f writing here is in the hopes of making a few pennies from ad clicks..and if someone can read my full article on TURN's website, then the would not come here, and (possibly) click an ad.

I mentioned to them that UCAN (Utility Consumer's Action Network) had also picked up on my article, but that THEY had simply put a link to my article, which was much appreciated.

I got no response, and had to go through the whole process of filing a formal complaint to get their attention. I told them what UCAN had done, and added that I had no objection to a couple of quoted sentences as a 'teaser,' and then a link to the full HP article.

With the threat of legal action, they rapidly complied, took down the article and replaced it with a link.

I believe that happened because both organizations were mentioned at the bottom of my article in the 'sources--what you can do' link box. Nonetheless, that does not create license to copy.


lilyfly 5 years ago

I know that many copywrite their stuff on here. Apparently that is necesssary? How do we copywrite Nell?, I'll be watching, and damn 'em to hell, Nell.... lily


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always exploring 5 years ago from Southern Illinois

Nell, I'm sorry this has happened to you. This proves that some will do anything for a buck. I received two emails asking permission to use two of my poems. One was a teacher, the other a student, since i only write for fun, i was happy to say " Yes " I can understand if you write for money and someone steals your work, it's unforgiveable. I thought if you have a copyright, whoever steals your work could be prosecuted, also, i've had a few people who were not followers, read a poem and say that wanted to share it on their facebook page, now, i'm wondering if that's a gimmick too?

Cheers

How do we copyrite?


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brakel2 5 years ago from Oklahoma City, Oklahoma

I suggested on the forum that we have a permanent thread to talk about what sites have copied content and the result of asking them to take it down or send DMCA. Can you think of something similar that we could ask the staff to allow us to do? I am sorry that you have had so many articles copied. Any action would help. We must do something!!!!!!


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Nell Rose 5 years ago from England Author

Hi, Spirit, yes you are right about the photos, I must admit to using any that I wanted to start with as I knew no different, but now I always add the url or the name, there are loads of sites that you can check your hub against, I am going to tackle that shortly! thanks again nell

Hi, Lisa that is such a good idea, I am going to have to try google page, it is just so annoying to see your work on other sites like that, makes me so mad! thanks again nell

Hi, christopher, I would love to stand face to face with them and have a go! lol I am like a whippet on to much sugar! it does drive you mad, thanks nell


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Nell Rose 5 years ago from England Author

Hi, attempted lol! are you surprised? ha ha you are unique in your hubs, I can't imagine how anybody could steal your Nags Head hubs and put it into context with theirs! I would love to see it! hee hee but seriously you can check just for curiosities sake, by going to plagiarism in your search and you will bring up loads of sites that will check your hubs, good luck! and Please Please tell me if they have so we can have a good laugh! cheers nell, thanks for the laugh!


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Nell Rose 5 years ago from England Author

Hi, CMHypno, I did try google chrome but it made my pc have a nervous breakdown! lol but you are so right, it is theft simple as that! thanks again nell

Hi, clark, that's terrible! it seems that we only know the tip of the iceberg on here, scams and more scams seem to be drawing in the money, and we, as honest people lose out, I am going to investigate further! thanks for reading, cheers nell

Hi, Pras, what a lovely way of thinking, and what with all this anger we have with stolen hubs, very refreshing thank you, nell

Hi, Anaya, can I borrow your pitchfork? lol it drives me mad, but also there is a sense of, what's the point in writing it? thanks nell

Hi, will, thanks so much, that's great, I know some are better than others, so I will go try it, cheers nell

Hi, Peg, I am glad you found it, redgage is a site that I did go on for a while but soon realised that everybody was in it for the money, they never clicked your stars to get money but expected you to do theirs! I hope you get a reply, thanks nell

Hi, wereview, I have never heard of this! wow! I am going to go and take a look, thanks for the info, cheers nell

Hi, Polly, sadly its everywhere, virtually everybody on hubpages have been copied, go and look at Plagiarism checker in your search box, and put one of your urls there, you may just find about 10 copies! thanks again nell

Hi, Green Lotus, that's exactly right, just like a sinking ship, I am going to try and figure out the best thing to do after answering everybody, I like getting to the bottom of things! thanks nell

Hi, B.Malin, thanks for reading, I think there must be something we can do about it, I will have to figure something out, that will work, hopefully! cheers nell

Hi, ian, lol! sounds like me! seriously, I was going to write a few names, but first of all I wanted to make sure I wasn't doing anything wrong, and getting myself banned or something! and then I thought that maybe the person copying me may not be the one copying someone else, so I thought I would throw it out there and see what people think! lol thanks for reading, cheers nell

Hi, DzyM, it seems that even the big shots do it too! I think the trouble is that people forget that other people write it! its on the internet, so therefore it is public domain, that's what we have to try and stop, thanks nell

Hi, lily, the main way to copyright is to just actually put the word copyright on your hub, just by writing on hubs it is supposed to protect you from theft, but maybe the thick people out there who steal need to see it! lol cheers nell

Hi, Ruby, it seems that copyright on the internet doesn't mean a lot! sadly! at least those people were nice to ask your permission, why can't everybody do that? where facebook is concerned, I do feel a bit suspicious, if someone wants something its usually for monetary gain! next time make sure you get something back in return! cheers nell

Hi, brake I am going to investigate and see what we can do, what happens if someone has about 1,000 hubs out there? can you imagine how many are copied? its a nightmare! thanks for reading, cheers nell


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QudsiaP1 5 years ago

They say mimicry is a form of compliment but I swear any one who tries to tell me that I should be flattered for their attempt of copying my work; I could very well beat them into a pulp.

Nell I completely agree with you; I too am extremely possessive about my work, no matter how insignificant it may be; in my eyes it is pure gold that I created and only I hold the right to use as I please.

The sad truth however, is that most likely all of us are being plagiarised without us even knowing or possibly ever finding out..


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Hello, hello, 5 years ago from London, UK

Wow, you certainly a "few" fans. lol. Yes, I would hate it but so far have not had the time to check it. Google and hubpages surely could do more about it to help us.

Lisa suggested Google Profile - please let me know how to do this.

CMHypno suggested CHROME = again please let me know how to do this.

I agree with you Nell, it is not only digusting but criminal and something should be done about it. Thank you for a great hub and raising the issue. You are the best.


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poetvix 5 years ago from Gone from Texas but still in the south. Surrounded by God's country.

Aw Nell, I'm so sorry to hear about this. You know I feel its theft. I think your description of "writing is like giving birth" is one of the best I have heard. Not to get into copyright law or any of that, but just from a common sense, ethical perspective, if it isn't theft, wrong for sure, then why is it considered cheating in every American high school? Further, I love the name and shame concept too! Why not? Otherwise they just continue to do it. As always, you have produced another gem and with your own unique style. No one can ever steal that. Thank you.


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The Dirt Farmer 5 years ago from Maryland

You go, girl!


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Nell Rose 5 years ago from England Author

Hi, Qudsia, evidently some articles have a live feed that comes into their site! or so they say! not sure if its true, but I got a nice email from one lady who I was actually nice to! because she had a religious site, and in fact it was lovely, so I was nice! and she sent me an email saying about the live feed, is that what happens? I would love to know! thanks again nell

Hi, poet, thanks so much! it has got me on my soap box tonite! ha ha thanks again nell

Hi, Hello hello, it does drive you mad! google chrome is on your pc, should show up in the corner when you turn it on, I did use it once but took it off, because my pc didn't really like it, it kept going wrong! the google profile thing I will have to look into, thanks again nell

Hi, Dirt Farmer, lol I have got my supersonic soap box! thanks for reading, cheers nell


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Erin LeFey 5 years ago from Maryland

Nell, this is such a great article! I remember in college, the school warned us that all of our turned in assignments would be thoroughly checked for plagiarism. I was so glad of that. I am so happy to hear of this plagiarism checker, I'm going to use it on my stuff now. Thanks so much for all the useful information. Voted you up and useful! Cheers!


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Nell Rose 5 years ago from England Author

Hi, Erin, if you can't find one that works very well, the next best thing is to just type in your hub title in the google search, that way it will bring up all the ones with your title, obviously there may be a few that are different articles, but most will be yours! thanks for reading, cheers nell


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Island Tropical 5 years ago

Someone stole my works from hubpages and republish it on other site last year as well. I think we all can write good article if we try, so please don't copy others work , use your own idea, it doesn't matter whether your English is good or bad as long as people understand it then it is alright. The main purpose of writing is to get your voice heard, so just write what you want with simple to understand English. Don't copy!!!

Anyway, I kind of thinking about starting to write for hubpages again after seeing those success money making story on hubpages. I already have the capability to write various types of article, my article writing skill has improved and I can provide a few articles online within a few hours of work. My only concern is can I make enough money from hubpages to cover all those hard work I have put into article writing. My target is around 300USD to 1K per month from hubpages alone. If above figure is possible to reach then I can start anytime.


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Marie Brannon 5 years ago from Pearland, Texas

Island Tropical, with all due respect, it DOES matter whether your English is good or bad! Articles written with poor grammar, punctuation and spelling are the bane of cyberspace. They degrade the site where they appear and are a major reason for Google's efforts to weed out exactly that kind of content. Please consider writing (on an appropriate site) in your own native language or LEARN ENGLISH!


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Fuller-Life 5 years ago from Washington, DC

It's just pathetic. How could he even think of putting his picture on someone else's work? Let's be on the look out for plagiarists, and when we catch them, we'll shame them. It's wrong to profit from someone else's work without their permission.


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Spirit Whisperer 5 years ago from Isle of Man

"there are loads of sites that you can check your hub against"

Could you send me a link or two to the ones you recommend or even include them in your hub for others to use.

Thank you for drawing our attention to this.


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Island Tropical 5 years ago

@Marie Brannon , thanks for your advise, however I don't see any problem with my English. There are lots of writers from Eastern Europe and Russia that can only write in simple English but manage to become a famous blogger. There is a Polish guy who I can't remember his name has made it to the top and his English skill is not that good either. Search engines have no problem with the guy who cannot write in good English, they just have problem with those sites that don't provide great value to their readers.


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Dolores Monet 5 years ago from East Coast, United States

Filing DCMA's is becoming tiresome as I feel like I am doing it too much. Now I have found one who calls himself (or herself) admin and has posted the first 3 paragraphs of several of my hubs on several different sites. Once, I found copied hub on a blog by another hubber - I recognized his picture, name, and his balony about being a Christian. huh!


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BeatsMe 5 years ago

I know what you mean. It's especially disappointing when you can't do anything about it. Hopefully, these copied versions gets deleted soon.


Duchess OBlunt 5 years ago

The first time the ever happened to me, I was a bit flattered. But the more it happens, the angrier you get. Sadly it happens too often. And much as it supposed to be easy to file DCMA's it seems such a waste of time when all you really want to do is write some more.


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Uninvited Writer 5 years ago from Kitchener, Ontario

Not taking sides but you cannot file a DMCA for comments on a hub, that is ridiculous. We are talking about "real" plagiarism.


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Nell Rose 5 years ago from England Author

Thanks guys, I am a bit behind today, Spirit, Will has added a good link above, in the comments, but I find that its best just to write your hub title in google search, that way it will automatically just bring up your hub and the copies, Hi, Uninvited Writer, not sure who said about copying comments, but as you said that is ridiculous, I am only talking about copied hubs? thanks all, cheers nell


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Uninvited Writer 5 years ago from Kitchener, Ontario

Read up in the comments


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Nell Rose 5 years ago from England Author

Hi, oh I see what you mean, sorry. obviously they are getting the wrong idea, thanks nell


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GusTheRedneck 5 years ago from USA

Howdy Neil Rose (Shared by Susan Lang) - Here is the HubPages URL on which you can click to visit two of my hubs on which are listed links to some good software for discovering plagiarism of your writings. (Not just HubPages articles, but anything of your's on the Web or that you may have put onto paper pages that others may have stolen from you and placed on the Web...)

http://hubpages.com/t/2049db

I noticed that some of those who commented here asked for "how-to" information.

Gus :-)))


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akirchner 5 years ago from Central Oregon

That's like saying a "little" stealing won't hurt anyone but stealing is stealing after all isn't it? Great subject and great coverage of it - well done, Nell~


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Hyphenbird 5 years ago from America-Broken But Still Beautiful

I am not at all flattered when a thief steals my work. It makes me irate and outraged. I think they should be exposed, names, websites, everything out in the open so we artists can protect our hard work.

If I find any of your out there in the Land Of Thieves I will send you a message Nell. These people need to be prosecuted, but they are in multiple countries so the best thing is to tell them you will report them to Google AdSense. I did that and received an (fake) apology and my article was immediately removed. I hope forceful response will eliminate or at least reduce these thefts..


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Rose West 5 years ago from Michigan

Plagiarism is something I fear and despise. HubPages has helped show me when someone has plagiarized my work - it's not fun dealing with that problem, but I'm glad to write at a place where it's taken seriously.


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billyaustindillon 5 years ago

Plagiarism is nothing but laziness on many levels and in personal works such as prose and poetry crosses the line of common decency.

However when you are correctly credited it is a nice form of flattery :)


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Nell Rose 5 years ago from England Author

Hi, Gus, thanks so much, it seems I opened a huge can of worms! lol especially on the forums! I am going to keep my head down now, but will be just looking for ways to protect our work, thanks so much nell

Hi, Audrey, thanks, I started this just because I was so amazed and furious of how many things that had been taken, but I am sure we are all in the same boat unfortunately, cheers nell

Hi, Hyphenbird, thank you, its just one of those things I suppose, from now on I will do it through google, I was just mad that day, when I don't feel well I get like a bear with a sore head! lol cheers nell

Hi, Rose, yes at least Hubpages lets you know, but sometimes they miss something, and that is what happened, never mind, I will just do it properly in future, thanks for reading cheers nell

Hi, billy, yes you are right, when its shown to be your work on their site it is a great feeling, cheers nell


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kittythedreamer 5 years ago from the Ether

Voted up and I agree with you, as I have had a "travel blog" somewhere in Thailand take my hubs and post them to their site without so much as a backlink or proper credit to me...and the worst part is, their link to my hub shows up BEFORE my hub in Google Searches! I was so angry when I saw that...but I've sort of given up because they've done NOTHING about it. From now on, I try to put credit to my own name, at least in my short stories, I put "by kitty the dreamer" in the header or subheader.


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Nell Rose 5 years ago from England Author

Hi, kitty, I am going through mine to do the same, I doubt if it will do any good, but you never know! thanks for reading, cheers nell


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always exploring 5 years ago from Southern Illinois

Nell. I went to Google, typed in the title of my poems/stories, there they were, four of them. I guess the thing to do is put your name in the title. I think that kinda takes away from the piece, but what else can you do?


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LeeWalls 5 years ago from United States

I've always enjoyed what you write and I'm glad you wrote this. It's unfortunate many people have this problem and it is a crime.

I disagree with what one post said about writing in your native language on another site or LEARN ENGLISH. This isn't Nazi Germany and far from communism.

I thought your article dealt with plagiarism not profiling a person's culture. People really do need to get a grip.

Keep up the good work.


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Nellieanna 5 years ago from TEXAS

I'm appalled!!!!! As far as I know, I've not been plagiarized. I guess I think my stuff is so "me", how could anyone else pull it off. But of course, that's probably wishful thinking. But I know that over a lifetime of being creative and original in several areas, I HAVE been burglarized. Designs, ideas, phrases, art and graphics, maybe photos, problem solutions, even actual valuable property - all have been stolen from me at one time or another - and I have been a VERY private person most of my life, hardly putting myself in the spotlight to be targeted (till my website & now on HP!

I've often felt sorry for the poor lazy or empty souls. I know that they'll have to find other sources to pillage, while I can hardly stop the flow of my own original ideas. So who's the more pitiful? But the point is, whether they are looking for money selling it or for a feeling of personal accomplishment - - well, the money is impersonal and the accomplishment has no inner source. They're fakes, and that is about the worst thing I can imagine. But it is WRONG. PERIOD. I think it was Abraham Lincoln who said something to the effect that if someone steals one's possessions - be it money or land or property (including intellectual property) - they are trying to appropriate parts of oneself. (or words to that effect). Bottom line: It is just flat-out-WRONG, besides being self-defeating for the thief and most annoying for the victim.

The issue is having CHARACTER and ONESELF. Lacking either is the most severe poverty possible. Those who must steal from others are empty and poverty-stricken - and nothing can cure that lack except wanting to learn better and altering their own behavior.

What's the most pitiable is that everyone has something of his/her own to bring to the table. But if all they do is bring "used goods" instead, their own ingenuity and creativity languish and eventually will atrophy. Then those sad thieves will find themselves DEPENDENT on taking others' with their own untapped well dried up. Sad, so sad.

So what to do? I add my copyrights. But how hard for a thief is it to just omit them?


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Nell Rose 5 years ago from England Author

Hi, Ruby, that's amazing, your hubs are so personal to you, things you do or your poems that come from the heart, it makes me so mad, I think even if you put your name in the title they will somehow get rid of it, I have hubs that have had some of the title changed but its still my hub, and how many of our hubs are out there under different titles?! I will keep looking but sadly theres not a lot we can do, thanks again nell

Hi, Lee, yes its only plagiarism that I was talking about, I don't think its appropriate to moan about speaking English now, especially as we now have our own domains, therefore it won't affect you, thanks for reading! cheers nell

Hi, Nellieanna, I am so sorry that you have had so much of your stuff stolen, and it would be a crime to think that someone steals your great poems, I was actually looking into whether it would be viable to disable right click on our hubs so that they can't copy it, but it seems that causes more problems than helps, I will keep trying to find out some more, thanks so much nell


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Pollyannalana 5 years ago from US

I checked several on my site and it only came up with my name but I haven't checked any here yet. I wonder about people at facebook when you get a recommended reading getting their name on your hub as if they are co-writer? Its a Bryan someone always does it to me, does that somehow make him a co-owner, I have been meaning to check out more but all this going on and change here I am not understanding and tonight I had to give the key words to even sign in hubpages, what is that about? Either I know my name and password or I don't, if I was crook I could still type in the words they show me...what a pain..I am so sorry for you but I can tell you know if I find anything of mine copied I will go to the end of ---- to find them I already have a bunch of smart A$$eS here making it no fun already since I won't be their clones, but our Rose I am sure we are all willing to help you in any way we can. Maybe every few sentences or paragraph you need to add your name or a link back to you, would that help? Especially if they are not paying attention.


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Feline Prophet 5 years ago from India

Unfortunately, there will always be people lacking in integrity out there!


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Millenium 5 years ago

I totally agree. And I hope what you said about the changing of our posts dates won't come true here at Hubpages. That would just be wrong. I don't have many articles to date but I know many who do and I, myself, would love to add more without the added worry. Anyway, thanks for this great hub Nell.


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PZigney 5 years ago

Hey Nell, great info. Another newsworthy hub!


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Nell Rose 5 years ago from England Author

Hi, Polly, I have just read on the forum about the the new facebook thing, I am not sure how it works yet, have you changed your domain on here yet? I think most people have now, as for copying our work I suppose the best thing is to just report it to google, its a pain but that's what we have to do, thanks again nell


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Nell Rose 5 years ago from England Author

Hi, Feline it seems to be more and more these days, drives me mad! especially when they change a few words, that proves they know they are doing wrong, thanks nell


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Nell Rose 5 years ago from England Author

Hi, Millenium, don't worry I am sure that won't be the case, but its a good idea to keep your eye on whether your hubs are copied, thanks for reading, cheers nell


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Nell Rose 5 years ago from England Author

Hi, PZ thanks so much for reading, cheers nell


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2patricias 5 years ago from Sussex by the Sea

Hello Nell,

We've had a few of our hubs copied, and it is extremely annoying.

In most instances we have got the offender to withdraw the copied article, but not always.

We wrote a hub with advice on what to look for when buying a handbag, and it was copied by a Chinese site. As far as we could work out, the site is owned by a company that "copy" handbags styles from famous designers. So the fact that they copied out hub did have a funny side.


jami l. pereira 5 years ago

I voted "yes" its a crime and its a shame , stealing someone elses work is no different than stealing from their pantry to feed themselves or their families , stealing is a crime , plagurism is no different , i voted up , useful , awesome and interesting , great hub! , and i of course voted "yes' have a lovely afternoon.


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Sky's End 5 years ago from Florida

Is it okay if I post this elsewhere? :) JK


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Nell Rose 5 years ago from England Author

Hi, 2patricias, typical! it seems that some people spend their lives just copying and stealing! an easy way to make money it seems, sorry to hear you got copied, and thanks for reading, cheers nell

Hi, jami, thanks so much! it does drive me mad, I wish we could insert some sort of code in our work that would scramble the copied hubs! ha ha that would have them!

Hi, Sky's End, NO! ha ha thanks for reading, cheers nell


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invitationwrite 5 years ago

HAHA,very interesting??


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Nell Rose 5 years ago from England Author

Hi, invitationwrite, why is it funny? nell


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Rebecca E. 5 years ago from Canada

you are not having a grumpy day, I am right with you on this idea, in fact I found that grammarly, which isn't all that expensive check for for these things, and when I went to correct some of my hubs.... lo and behold there are the websites... best $100 bucks I spent I am telling you (got grammarly for a year... thank goodness I need all the help I can get.)


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Nell Rose 5 years ago from England Author

Hi, that sounds great! it does drive me mad though, you spend hours doing the writing, and someone goes and steals it! argh! thanks again nell


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Pollyannalana 5 years ago from US

Can't you open your hub metrics here to prove publish date? I do that when I close down something I think I may want to use somewhere else that I don't copyright. Then copy the whole page with that showing and without and save all in an email folder. I copyright my stories and poems in collections so those should be safe and those are all that means anything to me right now. I am surprisingly pleased how Google has connected my work to me that in searches I often come upon my own stuff. Maybe there is a clue to something there.


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Nell Rose 5 years ago from England Author

Hi, Polly, that's a great idea! I think that the hub metrics do tell you publish date, but anything else is a good thing to do, by using an email folder mayber google pick up on the work better? that's a good thought! hopefully you have found a great way to copyright, nice one! cheers nell


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Pollyannalana 5 years ago from US

I just do the ones like this that are stories or articles that I may put at other sites and I always did that. But I never have put a personal story or poem I some day plan to have in book form up before I have a government copyright, so that is why I never worry, I have proof and if I find anyone using mine making money they will owe me and then some. My work I take as seriously as anyone, anyone is welcome to my Obamanation ones though. Now when you gonna come laugh at my frog!?


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Nell Rose 5 years ago from England Author

Hi, Polly, on my way! lol thanks again, nell


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Kosmo 5 years ago from California

Stealing someone's writing is definitely wrong, but I don't think it's a necessarily wrong to take small chunks of information, verbatim, from another source, such as Wikipedia. I did that recently and my story was unpublished by the staff at HubPages. Whatever. You bring up a good point, though. If somebody steals my work, gets away with it for awhile and then duplication becomes an issue, whose work has been duplicated? Later!


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Nell Rose 5 years ago from England Author

Hi, Kosmo, I don't understand why they unpublished it, we have to get our info from somewhere! most of mine comes from books and articles from a while ago, but of course we take some from the internet, maybe it was because you wrote it in exactly the same order as wiki, who knows? strange though, thanks for reading cheers nell


Tina 5 years ago

Hey Nell, just stopped in to see what you were up to.

Can you just add Copyright and your name at the end of your story or do you have to go to a lawyer to get a copyright name listed?

Tina


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Nell Rose 5 years ago from England Author

Hi, Tina, nice to see you, hubpages automatically copyright the work, but all you have to do is put it in your hub at the bottom, or on your profile page, sadly it still doesn't stop people from stealing it! but you can report it to google if they are earning from their site, okay? cheers nell


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AEvans 5 years ago from SomeWhere Out There

I have been plagarized in the past and copyright my work to protect it. What is really annoying is when you spend an entire day filing DMCA complaints. Thanks for the terrific hub! :)


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Rebecca E. 5 years ago from Canada

Still a great job, and I like it, spend most of teh day filing DMCA complaints, but it means things are going down. Still it does take time... why van't peope be original or more to teh point hubpages show us copied hubs faster?


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Seeker7 5 years ago from Fife, Scotland

Hi Nell,

I agree with you 100% - name and shame them!

Just because words are electronic and online doesn't mean that they are any less a personal object from anything else you may own. If someone stole a manuscript from your handbag they would get charged with theft - electronic theft is exactly the same and just as serious. I know one hubber that this happened to and she hadn't long started on Hub Pages. It took her ages to write this wonderful article and then found it on a certain person's page on another website. She was very distressed but did tackle the situation and the article was removed. But I don't think you are having just a grumpy day I think to take more positive action against these people gives the message out that genuine and very, very hardworking writers are not willing to put up with their thieving any longer.

Great hub that will alert more writers to this toxic problem.


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Nell Rose 5 years ago from England Author

Hi, AEvans, I know how you feel, I have done this recently and the trouble is however many that you catch, there are loads more floating around that we don't know about! we need a site that will check all of our hubs in one go! thanks again nell


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Nell Rose 5 years ago from England Author

Hi, Rebecca, I quite agree, I wish there was a way that we can automatically pick up the thieves, I will have to go and see if there is a site that does this, thanks again nell


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Nell Rose 5 years ago from England Author

Hi, Seeker, you are so right, if it was hard copy and someone stole it then the police would be involved! it makes me so mad! we need to name and shame them, but I am not sure if it will make a difference, thanks for reading, cheers nell


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Alastar Packer 5 years ago from North Carolina

Hi there Nell. A new reader of yours is in seventh heaven over you. I told this person to be prepared for the high. Nell, how do they get by with stealing your first person Hubs? It has to make it dicey for them doesn't it. Enlighten the ole boy some if you feel like it, if not me understand. Like to ring their necks a little for ya though.


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Nell Rose 5 years ago from England Author

Hi, Alastar, sounds mysterious? lol new reader? go on enlighten me! ha ha I would like to ring their necks too, I shall send them over! nice to see you, and thanks as always nell


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Anamika S 5 years ago from Mumbai - Maharashtra, India

Yeah, Plagiarism is annoying!


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Nell Rose 5 years ago from England Author

Hi, Anamika, thanks for reading, cheers nell


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quicksand 5 years ago

Years ago I had a site on page one for a very long time. All of a sudden it vanished.

Then I spotted my very content on the site that had replaced mine. The first few paragraphs containing around 250 words had been copied verbatim.

The rest of the text had no connection at all to what had been copied from my site. Probably he had pinched the rest from various different sources!

The point is, he was not selling anything at all although I was! In spite of the fact that I was getting some sales from that site, there was nothing I could do about it.

Prior to this I was under the impression that Google spots and penalizes such sites, but I realized they don't.

I believe these plagiarists are actually not aware that what they are doing is unacceptable.

At that time there were "article marketing" sites from which webmasters were permitted to pinch articles provided they placed a link back to the page from which they copied the content.

One such "article marketing" site was fully optimized to be visible to google to such an extent that whatever you submit reached page one in a couple of days.

It was a haven for affiliate marketers as whoever who borrows content from there will need to reproduce the existing links as well.

As time went on, many who borrowed content from there started to reproduce text without the existing hyperlinks and so the site had to make some changes to their TOS.

However right now they do not permit linking direct to any affiliate products.

So I guess one of the solutions would be to make people aware that not all sites permit borrowing content.


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Nell Rose 5 years ago from England Author

Hi, quicksand, that must have been so annoying, I would have been mad! I think a lot of people do actually believe that its fine to steal others work, they don't see it as somebody else writing it, they just presume its there for the taking, I agree that google should make people aware that its not okay to steal, thanks for reading, cheers nell


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laureate78 5 years ago from Florida

I get nervous at times when sharing my writings for this reason. It is not flatery, it is disgusting.


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Nell Rose 5 years ago from England Author

Hi, laureate, I totally agree, it is disgusting, its such a shame that we can't really do anything about it! makes me so mad! thanks for reading, cheers nell


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suzettenaples 4 years ago from Taos, NM

Great article, Nell! Yes, plagarism is a crime and something should be done on the www or internet to put a stop to it. It is shameful, but unfortunately, the people doing it never seem to be shamed. I do not think it is flattery. It is someone trying to make good on your hard work and reputation.

Believe it or not, I have been plagarized by teaching colleagues. That is the most disgusting and lowest form of it I have ever known. But, at least when it happened, I was able to say something to the teacher(s) involved and could have done something about it criminally if I wanted to. I can't believe how low people will stoop.


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Nell Rose 4 years ago from England Author

Hi, suzette, that's terrible! I think a lot of people believe that the internet is written by itself! it just happens to be there for the taking, makes me so mad! glad you got it sorted out, thanks for reading, cheers nell


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teamrn 4 years ago from Chicago

Recently accused of plagiarism, I have a different take on plagiarism not remotely related to money. My routine is to write a hub and before publishing it, to do my due diligence and see if similar content has been published. Recently, HP brought to my attention that there was content previously published that was quite similar to mine that I had missed in my check.

Thing is, I try to find any similar content before I publish any hubs. Apparently one slipped through the cracks. Would you shoot me?


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Nell Rose 4 years ago from England Author

Hi, teamrn, lol of course not! we all make mistakes, and it wasn't your fault that happened, I was talking about when someone just copies and pastes! its amazing how many people do it, thanks for reading, cheers nell


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teamrn 4 years ago from Chicago

I've been called gullible in my day; actually lots of things, but I can't imagine cutting and pasting a hub, or even paraphrasing. Learn from it what you will and combine it w/ other info, but it's not your own until you write in YOUR OWN WORDS guided by your own thoughts.


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Nell Rose 4 years ago from England Author

Hi, teamrn, I totally agree, I have one hub in particular that has been copied and pasted so many times its on the internet about a 100 times! but only one of the is original, mine! lol some people do put a link in to my page, which is fair enough, as long as they only write a little bit to introduce it, but some others do put a link, but also copy the whole thing first! Duh! lol and of course others just copy full stop!


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RGNestle 4 years ago from Seattle

I've had my work stolen before. I hated it.

If it hadn't been for the fact that my own personal creation was being used by someone too lazy to create their own work, I might have actually been flattered at the "imitation".

Good thing about plagiarism? If the person doing the stealing has any real property, you can sue them for everything they are worth! Plagiarism is just as illegal as video piracy! Only thing is, it has to be brought to a civil court if you can't find a state, federal, or local law that covers the specific type of theft.

Best to you all! May all your writings be original!


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Nell Rose 4 years ago from England Author

Hi, RG, I know just what you mean, it is just laziness, and it drives me mad! I wish we could sue them, that hopefully would stop them, but then someone else would do it again! lol thanks for reading, cheers nell


Elizabeth Pastore 4 years ago

I am not a writer at all. I am a small business in my town trying to make a living. I never thought that I would run into such a problem for I am not a pro. I am very irritated that I submitted my very first article to early this month. It published on the 10th of this month and on the same day I found it posted to somebodies blog with only the name of the town changed in the post. I am mad as they come right now.


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Nell Rose 4 years ago from England Author

Hi, Elizabeth, I totally understand. the reason why people do this is pure laziness. They believe that by stealing your writing they can put it on their site and of course earn money from the adverts. You can file a complaint to google and that should get them taken off and banned from their site. saying that I have complained to two sites about this and they have done absolutely nothing. I join the site and then put in my complaint in their comment box, but of course it gets taken down. but keep on at them, do the google complaint and write to the complaint parts of the site, you should find their names and contact details at the bottom of the page, good luck, I know how angry you must be, especially if you have put a lot of effort into it, and you do all the work, drives us all mad! let me know how you get on, okay?


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teamrn 4 years ago from Chicago

Nell Rose, you mentioned an article that you wrote that's been all over the Internet: that reminds me of an article that I wrote for magazine. Imagine my surprise when that article was published by lot of other magazines. I didn't know that when I accepted their terms and conditions that I gave away my rights to the article once I accepted payment for it! Oh well, live and learn...


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Nell Rose 4 years ago from England Author

Hi, teamrn, that can't be right! have you got a formal agreement? maybe read the small print and if there isn't anything there that says it can use your material then maybe get in touch with those magazines, good luck! and thanks for reading, cheers nell


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teamrn 4 years ago from Chicago

Nell, there was an agreement that they would pay me and how much they pay me; unfortunately I didn't read the fine print about giving up my rights to the content of that article; but I was more interested in getting published and paid.

Several other times the article was subject to CEU *educational credits towards professional licensure) which nurses pay for. I proceeded to ask the editor what percentage of the earnings I was going to receive because I wrote the article. Imagine my surprise when she told me: none; that was another right that I've signed away.

I know people who write for a living and are very successful attorneys over their contracts, etc., etc., etc. but I'm not in that class


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Nell Rose 4 years ago from England Author

Hi, team, I do think that the majority of writers start off like we do, and only end up with attorneys after this happening numerous times for them, I think its a case of live and learn for all of us, but it makes me so mad that this should happen, I think from now on maybe we all have to read the small print, check and re check until we are certain, thanks for the reply, nell


Annie Nowlin/team 4 years ago

Nell, I think I was so eager to be published, so honored (wouldn't we all be?) because I knew it was luck (I had NO training in writing whatsoever) that I would have given my first born... Also luck because I just happened on an editor who saw potential and nurtured it, instead of flatly rejecting it. Rare!


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Nell Rose 4 years ago from England Author

Hi, Annie, yes I understand, I think that most of us have been in that situation, and we live and learn with plagiarism don't we? thanks again, nell


Swotter 4 years ago

Hi Everyone.

I have had my website for a few years, it is a non profit making website, I just do all the research and hard work so that others think that they have the right to copy and just help themselves. These people make me so mad, it is sheer laziness on their part.

I am constantly having to deal with those who think it is okay to just copy and paste the work of another. On the other hand there are nice people out there who do ask permission to use.

Mine is quite a large website containing more than one page. I have to update the website from time to time with fresh information. The website is registered in the U.K. but I cannot update everytime edit a page as it would cost me a fortune.

Most people that I contact with regard to copying remove the content and usually offer the same feeble excuse for copying, i.e. 'they didn't realise that they had done anything wrong' even though the website has bold copyright notices plastered on it.

Currently a large chunk of text from the website now appears one someone elses website as if they have written it which is sickening. I don't have this text on my website anylonger as I restructed the page in question but an exact copy of the original text/page is still available in internet archives prior to the date that it was copied.

Any advice on where I stand with this, I would be most grateful for any help.

Good luck to those of you in a similar position, I don't suppose we will ever be able to stop those who delight in copying.


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teamrn 4 years ago from Chicago

I recently read a hub that was well-written and explained its thoughts well and I researched to see if they were all accurate; they were. I have a blog and I wanted to put this piece on my blog.

So, I contacted the author of the Hub and asked if it would be alright if I linked to HubPages (which was where the article appeared). He said it was ok and the other day, I published his article with correct referencing, on my blog.

I don't know the TOS w/ HubPages-was this an okay thing to do, since I had the author's permission and a direct link was made? It would actually promote HP as the link took you directly to his page and they then the reader could snoop around HP.

What are your thoughts?


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Nell Rose 4 years ago from England Author

Hi, Swotter, I have come to the conclusion that a lot of people don't know what the word copyright means! seriously! they think that the internet is written by a lot of fairies dwarfs and elves, and the writing suddenly appears in front of them when the turn on the pc! wouldn't surprise me! lol! thanks for reading, cheers nell


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Nell Rose 4 years ago from England Author

Hi, team, I think that's okay, as long as what you wrote wasn't a direct copy of his, because it would come up as 'copied' otherwise, but yes that's fine, as long as it was in your words, okay?


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teamrn 4 years ago from Chicago

No, it was in HIS words-but it could only have been read if someone followed the link to his HP article. Let me send you the link.


swotter 4 years ago

Hi Nell,

I suspect that many people out there think the words copyright and plagiarism do not mean a thing and were just added to the dictionary for the fun of it.

What makes me so angry is the backlash received sometimes when I approach anyone who has copied my work, some are very apologetic yet others go on the defensive and more or less insinuate that the author is wrong in approaching them.

I do give permissions to use elsehwere and have done so recently with no problems whatsoever as credit has been given to me as being the author. I don't have a problem with people who have the manners to ask permission.

I have seen my work used on internet auction sites time and time again. The most annoying thing is that the person who copies is making money out of it while I am not.

Laziness is the keyword in most cases as their attitude is why bother to go to the trouble of compiling ones own text and taking ones own pictures when it is far easier to copy text and pictures from another person.

Although it makes me so angry I try not to let it get me down, at least we have the pleasure of knowing that our work is so popular that others with far, far less intelligence cannot resist it. Enough said.


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Nell Rose 4 years ago from England Author

Hi swotter, Exactly! if they can't write, then that's why they do it, there was one particular site that stole one of my hubs and when I approached them they swore at me! literally on the site! and they never took it down either, its still there floating about, the one good thing about it is that they don't have ads, but it still drives me insane, thanks for coming back, and I look forward to reading your hubs, nell


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teamrn 4 years ago from Chicago

Nell, you're kidding. They admitted they'd lifted your post and still left it up?? The unmitigated gall!


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Nell Rose 4 years ago from England Author

Hi, team, yes! what a cheek! lol! I have given up on them now, but I have a memory like an Elephant, I won't forget it! haha! thanks, nell


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Petra Vlah 4 years ago from Los Angeles

I believe that plagiarism is done more frequently with technical or scientific type of writing and less with the creative one, but everything is possible and it is sad. I wouldn't know what to do or how to find out if it has ever happened to me, so I just don't think about it


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teamrn 4 years ago from Chicago

Petra, I think you're right.Techno/scientific writing involves mega research and the desire to stick with a project and see it to completion.Takes gumption. Not to say that creative writing doesn't involve it's own kind of discipline, but I can only speak of what I know. Technical writing.

I've seen my articles, the fruits of months of labor, appear in various journals. Occasionally, there's credit given deep in the journal. But a byline like the original article?N= Nope. Nell knows all about this. Suffice it to say that I got my ears wet-the hard way.


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Nell Rose 4 years ago from England Author

Hi petra, nice to see you, yes I agree, I am sure a lot of copying does happen when the writing is more centred towards scientific work, but its amazing just how much plagiarism does go on, even with personal stories, common subjects and just about anything else too. I have noticed not only mine but loads of other people's work copied and its literally just about what they did that day. Its all about putting words on a page so that they can earn adsense, thanks for reading, cheers nell

Hi team, that's terrible, copying on the internet, especially sites that won't ever see the light of day is bad enough, but in journals? makes me so mad! and yes its happened to me on here, but if I ever saw it in print I would throw such a wobbly! lol! they would hear me in london! thanks as always, nell


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teamrn 4 years ago from Chicago

It wasn't plagiarism with the journals. I'd clearly signed my 'rights' to the article away when I agreed to get compensation from the magazine I wrote for. But, none-the-less, a phone call wouldn't hurt!

Now, if some other goon on the internet reproduced an article, I have the originals in my potion, hardcopies and scanned as well as on-line. Don't know what good that'll do, but I have peace of mind!!


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Nell Rose 4 years ago from England Author

Hi team, it seems that people don't have the basic manners anymore, one phone call would have been great, that's a great idea to get them hard copied and scanned, at least you know you can send them to the appropriate places. In the old days it was done in the right way, these days because of the internet it seems to be the given right to just take it, drives me mad as I said before, thanks for coming back, nell


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john000 2 years ago from Superior, Arizona

Good for you, Nell! In a society that has become somewhat marginalized ethically, this will probably be a never-ending disappointment. But naming people who are unethical about it all puts you face first in front of Internet judges. Liability law in my country is weird to say the least (USA). Hey, money is important these days. An expenditure of time, even if it is a love, is time that was not used otherwise to make money. I would love to name names, and it is good just to say it, but be careful. I would love to see a politician take this up as a pet project. They can get away with more, especially when it comes to thieves.

Ah! Time for a cigarette. :-!


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ptosis 2 years ago from Arizona

I have mixed feelings because what if the Bible was copyrighted 5,000 years ago? But yeah, people do article spins instead of writing is wrong unless paraphrase it and attribute.

But then - sometimes people simply want to put the word out as in the book "Steal This Book" by Abby Hoffman.


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Nell Rose 2 years ago from England Author

Hi john, yes that's so true, we do have to be careful, but I would love to put their names up there in lights, and not for a good reason! lol! yes politician s should look into this, thanks for reading, and great to see you!


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Nell Rose 2 years ago from England Author

Hi ptosis, thanks for reading, nell


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FlourishAnyway 2 years ago from USA

This is a frustrating problem, and I struggle with whether to invest all the time in trying to get it taken down or just focusing on writing. I've got a list of instances I'm currently pursuing. The one that I couldn't believe was the Workplace Bullying Institute copying my bullying hub. They Tweeted and Facebooked it, copied the text of the entire hub, but were "nice" enough to take it down once I found out about it months later. Sheesh.


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midnightbliss 2 years ago from Hermosa Beach

Interesting subject to write about. I think all too often plagiarism is overlooked or dismissed because the piece in question wasn't written by a famous person - author, poet, etc. Thus, it is assumed action for recourse is limited in means or interest. Personally, however, I think social media outlets like HubPages, Facebook, and Twitter do a good job weeding out the thieves of behalf of us little people once complaints filed are investigated.


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Nell Rose 2 years ago from England Author

Hi Flourish, what? honestly! I have managed to take down quite a few now, I do wish hubpages would take the message away at the top when they have taken it down, I have spend many hours looking for the copy only to find that it has gone! thanks for reading, nell


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Nell Rose 2 years ago from England Author

Hi Midnight, yes that's so true, at least they let us know, which is great! thanks, nell


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Levertis Steele 2 years ago from Southern Clime

Nell, you asked, "Is Plagiarism just an annoying fact of the Internet? Or is it theft?"

Both.

People steal others' work for various reasons: they cannot write well, they do not like researching, they are lazy, they want easy pickings, etc. Take a college thief, for example. His assigned paper must be turned in tomorrow. He does not have time to put one together because he has to study for three tests. He could find a well-researched article on the Internet and make a few changes in some of the wording, add a few sources of his own, give it a new title, etc. Voila! He has somewhat personalized it, and he does not feel so guilty. He convinces himself that the "new creation" is his own work. He turns it in to his teacher and makes an excellent grade and receives other accolades for a job well done. So, this begins a new way to skate through papers. He may even start a secret business to collect, alter, and sell papers to others who believe that he writes them. Yes, the hard work of others could be earning Internet thieves big bucks. Because everything stolen is not published on the Internet, thieves may be getting away with mother lodes. This is unfortunate and a terrible crime against the writers, but it happens frequently.


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Nell Rose 2 years ago from England Author

Thanks Levertis, I remember a few years ago when they were saying that kids were coming out of school not even being able to write their own name yet they had passed all their exams! it turns out that they did indeed steal from the internet! how to stop it is the question, thanks for reading, nell


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Uninvited Writer 2 years ago from Kitchener, Ontario

What I find funny is a friend's hub that was stolen still had her Adsense id on it and she is earning money from it :)


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Nell Rose 2 years ago from England Author

Hi Uninvited Writer, lol! now that's what I like to hear! if only all of ours did the same, that would get them! thanks for reading, nell

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