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Our responsibility as writers is huge today everything we do counts for us, or against

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I loved the way your hub approached the whole concept about people needing to pay it forward for you @PDXKaraokeGuy, based on the written criteria itself, and the usage of cool imagery, but you can't expect others to do as you do on hubpages.

"If I take the time to leave a thoughtful comment on your hub, you should return it." this was written by PDXKaraokeGuy on his hub recently. All the parts beneath this statement as well, I just don't agree with, but it is to each ones own for people to have their own opinions on matters of sharing on hubpages, and anywhere else for that matter, because its something given to one another freely, and not a requirement.


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My point of view on the web and sharing on Hubpages

The web is just like the real world, and its full of people of all walks of life, many of whom may not understand such a concept as sharing or doing for others as was done for them, so therefore try to appreciate what you've been receiving thus far, this is all I can do as well or any of us online writers for that matter.

@PDXKaraokeGuy, That specific part of your hub could be perceived as being somewhat pushy, as to demanding others to view and read your hubs, at least that's what I got from reading it all.

I personally understand such a thing as playing it fair and sharing selflessly, without expectation of others to do the same for me, and I've put in 110% effort in helping get the word out for others. I even quit my job to help people online by creating a web business dedicated to network assistance, and that's not something I recommend for people to do to help others on the web. It's the only way for me to make my true digital presence known today, and to play a significant role or have any real effect in helping folks digitally.

Unfortunately the web is becoming one of the only means of making a decent respectable income for many unemployed folks worldwide. I'm happy to be so giving to others today, and even if it takes years for my efforts to get noticed, I can only try my hardest to share my knowledge and expertise freely.


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Temptation is always there, But I will resist

No matter what though, I will not resort to the temptation to expect to receive back from the community, by asking for more feedback or what have you. I'm sure many people have worked intensively to succeed as many web personality types continue to emerge daily on hubpages, and the many career types that they seem to choose to become today such as an online writer, and it all is surely a build up. Eventually for many lucky souls, hard earnest efforts on the web or hubpages for that matter, tends to become a decent pay off over time, especially for those who've had what it takes to begin with.

This is definitely proven by, simply seeing the outcomes on our hubpages homepage, show casing all the yearly earnings for each persons success story. I'm sure many of the most successful hubbers here, have done so with the use of their active knowledge, skills, and keen understanding of the ways the web truly works, besides that of their pure writing potential and overall communicative efforts with others.

With that being said I fully understand your position @PDXKaraokeGuy, but be aware of the fact that not everyone has the same amount of time to utilize such a network as hubpages for writing, and or social communications, and for that specific reasoning many will not have enough time to communicate to everyone as you expect them to do with you, based on what your hub stated there. I sense you haven't thought that factor over much, prior to publishing those words in your hub, that I simply had a disagreed with.


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Communicating huge efforts outside of hubpages

I actually have communicated to every single person I could who left me a comment or two, and I still have difficulty in doing so depending on all the comments I might receive in a single helping.

My personal efforts elsewhere definitely makes it harder to communicate on hubpages, but its worth it in the end because its all being done to help everyone I'm in contact with daily on hubpages, and beyond. I currently use Pinterest, Facebook, Google Plus, Stumble Upon, Digg, Pearltrees, Twitter, and many more networks as well. You can find a great deal of my efforts to help other authors of hubpages on those networks via the links provided.

I read hubs in their entirety as well, then I provide all the necessary feedback to complete the sharing process, or as they say paying it forward here on hubpages. I also devote a great deal of my time to sharing many hubpages authors across the web on many differing networks daily, and its a great task to do for a single person, to attempt at accomplishing daily on the large scale I've been doing, but its my way of repaying back the favor being done for me, so you see there's many other unseen efforts one may partake in, besides the commenting process, and just because feedback isn't rendered towards that specific hub doesn't necessarily mean that the person reading your hub isn't a fan of your written works.

I am a fan of yours @PDXKaraokeGuy obviously because I give your hubs you release the time of day, and I will say I don't comment on every single hub I come in contact with neither, as you've also stated about by showing your distaste for certain types of hub categories.

Above is the link to his hub to be credited for the creation of my hub here, as a response and insightful feedback. PDXKaraokeGuy's hub discusses the issue of people not returning the common courtesy of reading his hubs, after he's shown his love for theirs, via commenting or other methods of sharing.


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molometer 4 years ago

It can be very tough just trying to keep up with the volume of things to do on the internet.

Marketing is essential as we really want our work seen beyond hubpages.

Good hub well done and great advice here for all.


PWalker281 4 years ago

I read PDXKaraokeGuy's hub, and I didn't get at all the sense that he was demanding that people read his hubs. Instead, he was explaining why he reads some hubs and ignores others. And one of his criteria for reading hubs is if the hubber replies to comments (is this what you're referring to?).

Yes, it's a bit strongly worded, but it's his opinion. You can either agree or disagree with it. I tend not to leave comments on hubs where it's clear the hubber isn't responding to them. It's usually because the hubber has over 1,000 followers and simply may not have the time to respond. However, I will continue to read and rate those hubs. I just don't bother to leave comments because I know they won't be acknowledged.

Mike, can you clarify for me where PDXKaraokeGuy demands that people read his hubs? I just didn't see it.

P.S. The link you provide at the end of the hub didn't work when I clicked it.


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CloudExplorer 4 years ago from New York City Author

I re-read his hub yet a third time and still feel that his words weren't to cool in the part that states the "Not returning comments".

Just read it over a few times, to get what he's putting down, and it will appear as it is, to me its important to share selflessly, and not to expect to receive anything back in return, so I was correct originally @PWalker in what my initial response was.

Being harsh on a writers network is cool, but expecting that others to return the favor of sharing or commenting, isn't to me. That mean babies face scared me a bit as well lol, and so it was a volatile knee jerk first reaction. Maybe its just in how he wrote it, and the attitude that it vents off that rubbed me the wrong way I guess.


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CloudExplorer 4 years ago from New York City Author

@ Molometer thanks for the insight here, I tried my best to address my non agreement to a part of PDX's hub there, and figured why not create a hub about it instead of crowding his hubs comment wall, and so this popped out as a quick reaction.

Hopefully this helps to clarify things a bit, because sharing, commenting, and being fair to one another on hubpages is a huge part of it all, we all in this together, that's one thing for sure, and no matter how long we've been here everyone's opinions count, because its a huge community, and not just a self made writing adventure, right!!


PWalker281 4 years ago

Okay, Mike, I read it again, slowly this time :-). At first glance, he seems to be saying that he expects people to follow him and read and comment on his hubs because he has read and commented on theirs. If that's what he's saying, then it's an expectation that isn't always going to be fulfilled, and I think he realizes this. His response, however, is to be upset and ignore the hubber.

I always respond to comments left on my hubs, thank the commenter for commenting, and take a look at his or her profile page if I'm not already following them (tired of using 'him or her' :-)). If what the person writes interests me, I will follow them. If it doesn't, I won't. Simple as that. It's more a time management thing for me; I simply don't have the time to follow everybody who comments on my hubs.

But let's take a closer look at what he says. "If I take the time to leave a thoughtful comment on your hub, you should return it." This could also mean that one should acknowledge the comment by commenting in return (how I initially interpreted it), not that one should feel obligated to read the commenter's hubs and comment on them in return.

But that's an expectation, too, and as I said in my first comment to you, people aren't always going to respond to your comments. Yes, it would be nice, but if it doesn't happen, I'm sure the hubber has his or her reasons for not acknowledging comments, and who am I to say they aren't valid, whatever they may be?

Actually, I think he's saying a bit of both, that you should read and comment on my hubs if I read and comment on yours and you should acknowledge the comments I make on your hub.

Yes, the hub is strongly worded, and I guess one could interpret what he's saying as demands. Again, he has expectations that simply aren't going to always be fulfilled. I've reached a point in life where I tend not to pay too much attention to expectations people have of me, especially when they contain a "should." That's an energy-management :-).

But you're right, everyone's opinion counts. I was just trying to understand yours. Sorry for being so long-winded about it :-).


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avan989 4 years ago from maryland

To ignore a hubber for simply not replying to your comment is a little childish. I don't always reply to a comment just for the simple reason that I have nothing to say. If they enjoy reading the article and want to say something, it is completely up to them. I don't expect people to comment on my hubs, just the fact that they read the thing is good enough for me. And I would never ignore a hubber for just that.

I have written comment on other's people hub because I enjoy it and have something to say about it. I do not expect them to reply nor do I expect them to read any of my hub. You should not even have any expectation of people responding to you. Unless your comment was so amazing, 500 words long, and full of unique facts that can only be found on that comment. Then and only then may you have a little expectation of someone replying to your comment.

I enjoy reading other's people articles and regardless if they read my articles or respond to my comment, I will continues to read interesting, well written articles.


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Sherry Hewins 4 years ago from Sierra Foothills, CA

I would never expect anything in return for a comment. But if it causes someone to be curious about me and want to read my stuff, that would be nice. If I comment on Your hubs, it is because I find them interesting, and if I share them it is because I think other people will be interested in them. I have to admit, there have been occasions when I have missed replying to a comment. Nevertheless, I do appreciate every person who reads and comments on my hubs.


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CloudExplorer 4 years ago from New York City Author

Hey there @PWalker281, thanks for returning once again to leave such an insightful comment, wow that comment could have made a great hub as well lol.

I like your take on matters here, with the issue of PDXKaraokeGuy's hub. Yes he sounded demanding to me, so I had to create this hub, or else his comment wall would have been riddled with such a huge response there.

Thanks to being able to create entire hubs about hubs, I could help him out a bit, by relieving some of his comment wall space there.

I loved the reading of many of his hubs, and also I respect his skill for writing don't get me wrong, and he happens to be one of my favorite hubbers on hubpages, but If I sense anything I read as being somewhat unfair to us all, I will take a stand, and mention something about it.

It would be a huge dishonor to him, to everyone of our hub readers worldwide, not to be honest and not to state my feelings on such a sensitive issue as sharing comments, which for many hubbers is their very life blood here as a hubpages writer.

Once again thanks for addressing the issue I've made, about his hub, and your attentiveness to things on hubpages goes above and beyond the call of duty.


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CloudExplorer 4 years ago from New York City Author

@ Avan989 thank you for visiting and sharing with me for the very first time, your a new face to me on hubpages, and I will surely return the favor of visiting your hubs.

Yes indeed ignorance is bliss, and that surely goes for hubpages, as an author on the web though we must be mindful that everyone, and anyone will be reading what we put out to the public, so with great coverage, and great power, also comes a huge level of responsibility.

In terms of commenting and leaving insightful feedback, I make sure that each word I type into these digital portals, comment walls, hubs, or what have you, actually count for something, count for that of others, as opposed to just for me. Besides its actually in the ground rules here not to be overly promotional, so one must not think of themselves alone, and this goes for everyone for that matter, no one is an exception to the rule, no matter how long, or how many accolades on may achieve, forget about all the follows, and followers on a single given network.

Just change channels to Youtube, and see whats going on their, as well as Twitter with all the twisted followings, and other fanatical tactics people seem to be pulling on one another.

Yikes it can get crazy in these digital fields, but hubpages isn't tolerating all the nonsense, and so I make sure to help others no matter what on here, even though it already goes with my personality I've had since a child anyhow.

I thank you for your insightful comment there, and look forward to the reading of many of your hubs in the near future.


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CloudExplorer 4 years ago from New York City Author

@ Sherry Hewins, I simply love responding to comments about my hubs, and commenting on other peoples hubs, its quite a fun form of interaction for me. I love it when people like yourself, simply decides to make their true presence known an felt in the comment area's on hubpages by going the extra distance as well leaving such insightful feedback, without being asked to do so, and without expectation. This goes to show what actually has a stimulating effect on other peoples minds in terms of written works, and also helps us as writers get better at our craft overall.

I know PDXKaraoke is a good guy and he means well with that hub he's wrote. He knows me on hubpages as well, we are fans of one another, and we are actually cool with one another as well. So this is also a way to repay him for the favor of writing a decent hub, because of the obvious fact that his hub is the main theme, gets all the attention here, and is in the spot light by me sharing my response with everyone as well about his hub he has wrote.

So in a way its my admiration for his writing, that prompted me to go the extra mile here. Either way I love hubpages for all this awesome interaction we have. Thanks again for sharing with me, and I'll be paying your hubs a visit as well, because I haven't seen you here either yet. Then after I'll try to visit all of those whom been commenting to me on other hubs, and then all those who are my fans as well. You gotta love this paying it forward thing today, its fantastic!!


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PDXKaraokeGuy 4 years ago from Portland, Oregon

Cloudexplorer... I appreciate this hub very much. I'm pleased that my hub has sparked such discussion. Perhaps I could retort?

I have lots of followers, and I follow many people. It is certainly difficult to take the time to respond to each comment, but I do it for two reasons.

1. If someone took the time to read and comment on my hub, I can take a few minutes out of my day to respond to their comment, even if it's a simple "thanks for commenting". this takes very little time out of my day and shows my readers that i appreciate them reading and commenting, even if I disagree with their comment. I assume everyone is busy, so for someone to take the time to read and comment on my hub is a big deal.

2. I like to be acknowledged, and I assume others do as well.

I understand people are busy (Lord knows I have very little free time) but, coming back to you hub and even leaving a generic "Thank you all for commenting" is not too much to ask, and helps strengthen and build this community.

Thanks for your response. I'll be linking to this hub.


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CloudExplorer 4 years ago from New York City Author

Wow I never got this message, sorry PDX, yikes thanks for responding in such a nice way. I actually thought I had returned here about 5 months bakc, but oh well, its all good anyhow. You took it like a champ and roles with the digital punches sort of speak, nice response.


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A.A. Zavala 4 years ago from Texas

I will reply to every comment on my hub, to a point. I like to acknowledge the visit and time someone else took to read my work. I haven't seen the commentor before, I try to visit their page and look at what they're written. Sometimes they have something of interest to me, sometimes they don't. It is difficult to read or acknowledge everyone's work when you followers get over 500. Want to be read? Write interesting hubs. Thanks for the hubs and insights...


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CloudExplorer 4 years ago from New York City Author

Hey there @A.A. Zavala, welcome to my side of hubville, yup commenting is a huge factor as a hubber in the community here, and I never expect anything back in return for my help towards others, and so this is why I wrote this hub in response to having a difference of opinion in that of PDX's hub, and so it was something worth writing about indeed.

Thanks for your insight here, for the visit, and for sharing with me, I like your hub writing style as well and recently been catching up a bit to try to spread a bit of the love for other such as yourself as well.

Cheers to powerful communications here on hubpages, and to awesome writing.

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