Things I Have Learned About Hubpages

This one might need a sticky when I'm done, as I think what I'm about to share could help many hubbers - new and old alike ...

First off ... Where's all of the money? I hear this time and time again how some hubber wrote excellent articles and made nothing ... zilch ... nada. Hubpages is a ripoff, right?

Wrong!

First off, Hubpages isn't a site that pays you for your writing - the affiliates do. And if you aren't making money from the affiliates then they are to blame - not Hubpages!

And how does one make money from affiliates? By writing articles that appeals to things the affiliates can market. It goes without saying ... if the affiliates can't profit from your works here than neither shall you!

Oh, but I hear how certain articles make more money on Ask.com and Helium. Very true ... and those are sites based on offering info ... not for writing poems, stories, or nearly anything you like. Try publishing a non-fiction work on either of these sites and watch it get torn off the wall.


While we're on the subject of content, let's discuss how Hubpages marks hubs as substandard, promotional, or not allowed. Who are they to say what we can write?

Well, *they* are the owners, and they don't do it to show their godlike powers. They do it to keep us in favor with our affiliates.

Has anyone but me read the rules for Google adsense? I know some have, but the majority hasn't or no one would cry in their oatmeal over content.

Google has *very* strict rules over content on adsense pages and when we try to bend these rules we aren't just affecting ourselves - we're affecting everyone on this site.

How? Hubpages places Adsense ads on our pages (40% of the ads) and has ads on the right pane. These help pay the bills here. Now, if we get out of control and get Hubpages Adsense account banned guess what - no more Hubpages!

And so, they aren't being nazis - they are just abiding by the rules for Adsense (and Amazon, and Ebay, and Kontera).

Sure, Hubpages could turn a blind eye and let people do as they pleased, but once Google kills your account you're done - end of story. Don't believe me? Check out the forums here to see what has happened to several members who lost their Adsense here - when it's gone - it's gone!

I have my own site, and I can tell you from firsthand experience that Adsense tells you what you are allowed to write, where you can place your ads, and what kind of links and content they won't accept on your pages.

So, Hubpages isn't being prudish - they're only enforcing the rules enforced upon them by Adsense and the other affiliates.


Next topic ... The forums are filled with trolls!!

Well, there is some truth to this. I have seen where some hubbers will seem to bait others into arguments, but if you look below the surface you will find that these same hubbers are victimized elsewhere and are just passing on the sour milk they just received.

The political forums and the religious forums are a battleground, and much of what happens there spills out into the other forums, making for some discomfort for many.

My strong advice ...

1)  Don't post in the forums to seek out like-minded individuals. By that I mean, don't write something expecting everyone to agree with what you have to say. With over 131,000 people on-board, dissenting opinions will occur. It's natural!

2)  When you're having a bad hair day, walk away from the keyboard. Trust me, it's not self-therapy when you go off on someone, just because things didn't go well in the real world. Just go off and drink a cup of coffee, stave off the poison, and return when your mind is in a better state - it prevents the need for apologies, which many can't bring themselves to deliver, for fear of saying they were wrong for logging on when they should have been stressing offline instead.

3)  The forum has *no* text to speech capabilities, so don't expect people to automatically *get* what you are saying. So many arguments start here because person A said something, and then person B misunderstood and went off on a tangent.

4)  Everyone has a right to an opinion - no one has a right to verbally assault one another. There are laws against this which revolve around slander, and yes, I have heard of people being sued over what has been said over the internet - as well as websites being taken down for refusing to remove the slander that was being spread. It's okay to disagree, it's okay to tell someone they are wrong - but it's not okay to go overboard and assassinate the character of the person behind the words.

5)  The forums exist for people to interact and people do this in many different ways. What some consider inane babble others consider cordial chit-chat. As such, be tolerant of those who came here to have fun and be tolerant of those who are looking to have meaningful conversations.


And finally, I have heard that Hubpages sucks!!

Really?

Well, if that's the truth then I want my website to suck as well, so I can be more successful outside of Hubpages. For you see, I have learned a lot from Hubpages and I am currently using my own site to write articles which I feel wouldn't be a good fit here. *that's right, I actually scoped out this site to see what works here, so I know what I can write about here and make a profit from - as I use this site to monetize my other ambitions.*

I have my little Google plugin watching my earnings right now, and I just made some more cash. So, Hubpages doesn't suck, provided you take the time to understand how to make it work for you.

Many hubbers have worked hard to provide info that will definitely work, if given a chance: Mark Knowles, Relache, Sunforged, myself, Nelle, Darky and others I have forgotten to mention (sorry, I can't remember every helpful name, but I didn't omit anyone to slight them).

I haven't made a dime off of any of the articles I have written to help others, nor have the others to my knowledge. So, why do we do it? Come up with your best conspiracy theory you want and then I'll bring you to the real truth ...

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Ready for the awful truth? Because we love this community and want to give something back. Believe me ... These people slaved over these articles for a reason - to help you learn the easy way what we all learned the hard way.


And I did hear someone recently say that making money on Hubpages is a lot of hard work. Well, guess what? Any writing you do for money is a lot of hard work. Ask anyone who writes articles for a newspaper how hard they work. Ask anyone who writes novels how hard they work. Ask anyone who writes scripts for TV shows how hard they work.

Writing is a difficult profession that takes a lot of dedication and time to hone to perfection. If you came here because you had a dream that writing was a profession where you could make a million dollars by writing anything that came to mind then you were sold a lie ... and I do offer my open apologies to those who were duped by the unscrupulous banter of *make money quick* schemers who sold you this lie to get you to click on one of their ads.

There is no quick money in writing - none. *However* for someone who is willing to endure the 'trial by fire' there is a definite income that grows over time. And if you work hard and stay true to your path - you will experience success - no million dollars, but enough to pay some bills.


And for my final topic, I will speak of those who left ...

We argued with them to stay. We wept when they said goodbye. Then we felt betrayed when they never returned.

How callous are we that we could ever feel the need to contain people where they obviously didn't want to be?

Hubpages doesn't work for some people, and I understand and respect that (at least I do now - a admittedly didn't back then). If someone wants to leave, offer them your blessing and know that they might someday return. By weeping over them as if they were passing on, we make it all the more difficult for them to ever return, should they decide to do so.


I don't know how you all feel about me, but I know how I feel about all of you. You're my extended family - all of you - without exception. And I have no favorites as I don't play that line. So if you don't see me coming to wag my tail when your in a pickle with another hubber it's not that I don't love you, it's that I respect your ability to fight your own battles and I know you'll prevail if given the opportunity to do so.


So, having said all of that ... I would like to give a fine welcome to all of our new members, a pleasant howdy to all of our older members, and an olive branch to anyone I might have offended with this message, as it isn't my intent to cross anyone with what I had to say. I merely wrote this to express some feelings I have had about the site for some time, in the hopes that it might spark a renaissance where we could all see things differently, through better eyes.

And the last thing I want to say (I promise) is that there are those who write here for the love - not the money. And these people should not be seen as any less than our other members. While they might not make any money doing it, that doesn't make them any less in our community. In fact, they add to the community by giving us all something to read that was written only for the premise of our own enjoyment. Now, I don't know about you ... but I like these articles, as they often offer me a break from the woes that life throws at me. So, keep writing them!


Okay, enough from me as I've wasted another 20 minutes of everyone's lives with another long post (sorry, I just get caught up in things sometimes) ... I'm interested in what others have to say.

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As Always, Your Comments Are Welcome! 37 comments

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skyfire 6 years ago

Yoshi this was much needed hub and thanks for taking time to put it as hub. :)


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emievil 6 years ago from Philippines

wow Yoshi. This is quite a hub. I read this in the forum and I was about to put in a reply when I read that you made a hub about it. Sure glad you did. Hope you don't mind if I backlink this to my hubs. It's a must read for everybody.


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yoshi97 6 years ago from a land called 'what if?' Author

Thanks Skyfire and emievil, and I have no problem with anyone linking to it, as I think it's information that's useful to all. :)

However, I do charge one nacho per link ... and some salsa ... my jar is empty - lol! :)


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wyanjen 6 years ago from Wyandotte Michigan

You are one of the good guys, yoshi. :)


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yoshi97 6 years ago from a land called 'what if?' Author

Thanks Wyanjen ... I do try to keep on the white hat as much as I can. :)


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dohn121 6 years ago from Hudson Valley, New York

This is great advice for anyone--novice or Jedi :) (I'm more novice than Jedi by the way) Everything you said here made sense and you were sincere about it and very diplomatic. How could you possibly offend anyone? Thank you for sharing this with all of us, no matter how experienced or inexperienced we are!


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myownworld 6 years ago from uk

I loved this Yoshi....your sincerity really comes through. After what's been going on in the forums lately, we needed a post/hub like this. Thank you once again! :)


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I*n*v*i*c*t*u*s 6 years ago

Very nice, Yoshi. I really enjoyed this and you have made a great statement! Thanks for taking the time to express it. I do hope people lurking around on the site to attack others due realize the severe consequences for the behavior. I feel lucky to only have had a few incidents in my time. Though, I thoroughly enjoy the lovely connections here with many I've met.

btw ~ the moose w/ the shovel never arrived at my door. LOL


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yoshi97 6 years ago from a land called 'what if?' Author

They tell me the moose only arrives for good Canadian citizens who get snowed in. If you live in a less northerly climate your odds of seeing such an apparition are somewhere between slim and none. :)

And thanks to all who have responded with thanks for the thread and this hub. I wasn't looking for anything but to express some of the angst I know many of us share, but it made me feel good to know that we (as a majority) want this community to work. :)


Miss Take 6 years ago

hiya. Firstly i applaud the lay out, it is sooooo reader friendly, and then of course informative,,,,,, my my it was a great help to me thanks,,,,


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Peter Dickinson 6 years ago from South East Asia

Thanks Yoshi - Inspired words. Everyone should read it.


ryankett 6 years ago

Great hub dude, perfect remedy to the Grundy effect. I know that you all like her, but I said it all when she left, she was stirring the pot and stabbing people in the back. Hubpages is a great site, and will be for as long as we do not allow other external factors to drag it down. I miss being on the forums, but everything I said back then was worth it.


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dragonbear 6 years ago from Essex UK

As a new Hubber, inspired! I’ve not got into any hub politics and hope to steer clear. I just enjoy writing and meeting people. The site gives both opportunities. I’ll get my head around Amazon and back links and whatever else one day and maybe make some income, but at the moment I’m enjoying the community and its sharing of knowledge, information and fun!


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yoshi97 6 years ago from a land called 'what if?' Author

Ryankett:

You're missed on the forums, at least by me. However, I do understand and I think the forums were dragging you down from doing more important things. I think we sometimes read to much into the banter in the forums and get so caught up we lose a bit of ourselves. When that happens, it's best to step away and relax to find ourselves again.

So many people deleted all of their hubs and ran away - only to regret it later and feel they could never return without ridicule.

As for the Grundy effect ... I admit that I knew of her only by name, and I do not see any comments she makes elsewhere as anything but an expression of her experience on Hubpages, which is honest from her perspective. And that's what I think gets lost to many in its translation - it's her experience she was relating, and many took offense as they couldn't understand it, as it was not their own.

While we might have those who feel wronged by Hubpages, I consider them to be a tenth of a percent. As a whole, the site works extremely well. And for those it hasn't, it's understandable that the site can't be everything to everyone. It simply is what it is, and I often wonder if it is actually more a case of us wishing it were something different that fit us better.

Alas, like in the shoe store, we don't ask for the show to be stretched to make it fit. We either crinkle our toes to make it work or we try on a different shoe.

That's the true essence of it all, Ryankett. Hubpages holds no prisoners. We are free to come and go as we please, and if more people would realize that and take much needed breaks when feeling stressed, they would realize it's not the site causing them heartache - as its nothing but a website - but event in the real world encroaching on their hidden happiness online. :)

Dragonbear:

That's what makes Hubpages great. It's a choice we are all free to make - to make money or to write for the fun of it. And yes, the community is typically a-one when it comes to support. ;)


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lorlie6 6 years ago from Bishop, Ca

This Hub was no waste, Yoshi. In fact if I could 'follow' you twice I would. You are a consistent voice of reason here on HP, and make me love it all the more despite all the negativity that can occasionally prevail.

I am extremely honored to follow you.


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Steve Rensch 6 years ago

thank you


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Sally's Trove 6 years ago from Southeastern Pennsylvania

Here's what I have to say...I've learned more about writing on the Net and about SEO here on HubPages than I could have learned in any other way, FOR FREE. It's not just because there is a lot of information shared on HubPages by accomplished Hubbers, it's because HubPages is, in a way, a self-assessing community. If you write credible, useful, trusted, and original Hubs (Hubs that follow the rules), the community supports and validates you, and you will see that support and validation reflected in your profile and Hub scores (through the ever-fascinating, mysterious scoring algorithms). Not to mention, the constant back and forth in both the forums and in the comments to individual Hubs helps you assess the validity of what's presented.

I could have wasted a lot of time and money chasing down information across hundreds of thousands of websites that promise to offer the lessons I learned here FOR FREE. But how could I ever have assessed the validity of those sites?

So what I think is, not only am I getting a free education, I'm being paid in the process, without having to chase after rainbows.


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yoshi97 6 years ago from a land called 'what if?' Author

Free education?

*Yoshi blinks*

Okay guys, shake her down .. the girls been making money off of us and hasn't ponied up! haha!

Seriously, that's what this community is all about - offering each other support. Granted, there might be a few toads in the pond kicking at us froggies, but heck, they need a place in the sun to croak, right?

As I always like to say about life ... love the pleasant many , ignore the unpleasant few, and keep smiling.

Oh! And keep writing! Us froggies like to read! :)


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Sally's Trove 6 years ago from Southeastern Pennsylvania

Okeedokee...you all can have 10 percent of my HP earnings. That will buy you all one cup of designer coffee that you can share a couple of hundred thousand ways. Meanwhile, better keep croaking!


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yoshi97 6 years ago from a land called 'what if?' Author

I remember the days when I thought all I would ever be able to do was buy coffee. Thankfully, it does get better with time, Sally. Ya just got to weather the storm to enjoy the sandy beach. :)


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I*n*v*i*c*t*u*s 6 years ago

Love, love, love, :d :D ;P eah, weather and move on, on, on...! LOL

Happy valentines to you and you misses!


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MyWebs 6 years ago from Sheridan, WY

Everything you said was very well put. Count me as a new fan.

I really respect the stars around HP who spend time teaching others what works and what doesn't. Clearly they could spend the same time writing another money maker instead of teaching us their voodoo magic ways.

Obviously hubs written for other hubbers are unlikely to generate them any real money, so they must do it because they care and wish to share their knowledge. Thank you for that. I hope one day I have something of real value to share and give back to this community.


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trish1048 6 years ago

I thoroughly enjoyed this hub. It is well written and well spoken.

I found HP through my best friend. After she explained it to me, I thought, I don't think it's something I'd be interested in. I was wrong :)

I've been here almost two years, and am here simply for the enjoyment I get from writing. That I make a few dollars here and there is just icing. All of my hubs are about food and life, and so are written from the heart.

Personally, I don't hang out in the forums, although I do visit and comment here and there. I have no desire to get into a verbal tit-for-tat with anyone. I will, however, offer an opinion if I feel strongly about something someone said, but mostly, my participation in the forums are to feel good, as is my writing.

Thanks for sharing. This is a must read for anyone here on HP, new or old :)


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Shadesbreath 6 years ago from California

I, like Sally's Trove, have learned craploads about online writing, online marketing, SEO etc., with HubPages. I came to terms with the reality of what it was and wasn't a long time ago. I think it is exactly what it is, and does a fine job of being that. Good hub.


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HubCrafter 6 years ago from Arizona

Good job. Well said.

I don't get into the forums much myself. There's little enough time to write and layout and do pics and...

ANYWAY...thanks for sharing your thoughts.

HubCrafter


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rmcrayne 6 years ago from San Antonio Texas

yoshi you are such a positive force in the HubPages community. I'm glad you turned this into a hub. I can't begin to tell you how many times in your posts I've found encouragement, satisfaction, clarification, validation... I could go on and on.


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yenajeon 6 years ago from California

Hi Yoshi: I have been super happy with Hubpages as well except one thing. I feel HP is pretty picky with duplicate content, but I wish they'd be more particular with useless hubs and content. Some hubs I read and wonder, 'HP allowed this to be useful material?!' And HP hating duplicate material is fake. What about those hubs that are like How to buy a yellow shirt, how to buy a dark yellow shirt, how to buy a shirt that is yellow, how to buy yellow shade shirts etc etc. That should be duplicate content as well!!(not to mention spam)

=)


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Sage Williams 6 years ago

Awesome hub! very informative and well written. I haven't been with hubpages long but have been very happy with everything thus far.

Great job!

Sage


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yoshi97 6 years ago from a land called 'what if?' Author

Yenajeon:

My research tells me this is more of a Google thing. I pulled this info from an article that covered it very well:

"The Google blog outlines some penalties related to duplicate content, but states that for example if you’re 'scraping content from other sites and republishing it, or if you republish content without adding any additional value,' your site may be filtered out because it would not be representing 'unique' results for a search user. As Vishal Saxena outlines in his post on the issue, if plagiarism is taken so seriously in the 'real world,' then there’s no reason why a search engine would like plagiarised work either."

As such, it's only a warning from Hubpages and can be ignored - but do you really want to do that? Why would Hubpages warn you about this if it's no big deal with Google? Are they being nazis?

Well ... I can answer that by saying succinctly that the Hubpages staff are not nazis and they actually are looking out for you on this one ... I'll explain.

If Google flags your hub for duplicate content it will be deindexed. That means your hub no longer appears on Google and you lose a *major* source of traffic to your hub.

As such, it's to *your* advantage to mend the issue so you don't lose Adsense for all of your hard work. Of course, if you don't care about the money then allow the duplicate content to remain - provided you *own* the content you duplicated.

Now, if you *don't* own the content you duplicated then that's a horse of another color. That's what we call in the writing industry, plagiarism, and will get your Adsense account yoinked out from under you, as well as provide you with a nasty lawsuit if the owner of the content is notified and decides to sue.

Many people think you can copy pictures, song lyrics, and whole pages. After all, the internet is free once you pay your monthly bill so you own the content, right? Wrong! Oh so wrong! And if you allow yourself to believe such a statement, sooner or later it will come back to bite you.

If you are posting content you didn't create then you are violating plagiarism laws *unless* you ask permission from the owner of the material and receive it in writing, you own the material, or you have only quoted a small portion of the material and have made it clear to everyone that you have done so and made it clear who the original creator of the material was.

Of course, Google has no idea who owns what on the internet, so many people are flagged for duplicating their own material. Even if your name were Sarah Baker and you were copying the content from a site with your name on the copyright to another site with your copyright onit ... who's to say you're the same Sarah Baker? For that matter, who is to say you are Sarah Baker at all?

Regardless ... it's only warning, and it's only effect is to lower your hub score a bit. However, if you own the material and explain this to the hub staff they will remove the hub penalty. And if you don't own the material then you could be in a lot of hot water and would be better off just removing the violating material from your page before anyone else takes notice.

Remember ... Adsense ads appear on every hub. As such, if you break one of Google's rules you risk an effect on your own Adsense account as well as your own. As such, Hubpages is looking out for your bacon and their own. Remember, we coexist with Hubages, sharing in the profits. As such, if we injure ourselves we also injure Hubpages.

That's why it's in their best interest to warn us when we are doing something that will cause us harm as it could cause them harm to. And that's why it's only a warning, as Google won't ban for duplicate content unless someone files against you and claims plagiarism.

Be forewarned ... (I'm not aiming this at you, but at others reading this response) ... writers *do* constantly check for others plagiarizing their work (I know I do). Just because you might get away with something for three years does not mean it will get by the fourth year. If anyone plagiarizes another writer's work it will eventually surface and come back to haunt them.

I hope this helps. :)


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yoshi97 6 years ago from a land called 'what if?' Author

I would like to thank everyone for their responses so far. Personal, I thought it was my article to be the ravings of a lunatic writer that had seen enough and needed to have his say and worries over the backlash that would follow. I'm pleased to see everyone understood where I was coming from and that the men in white coats haven't come to fit me with that special jacket yet.

They say writing is very therapeutic, and after writing this and reading your responses, I certainly must agree.

And as I have always said since I got here ... you're all the greatest peeps on the planet and I feel honored for the time I get to spend with all of you. :)


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nicomp 6 years ago from Ohio, USA

"The forum has *no* text to speech capabilities, so don't expect people to automatically *get* what you are saying."

Well put. Nuances of speech are lost in the translation.


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figment 6 years ago from Texas

Great Hub


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valeriebelew 6 years ago from Metro Atlanta, GA, USA

I am just now beginning to see a little more money being earned, but it is still in the very early stages. It does take time, but I have dreams of earning enough here to devote most of my time to serious writing. I can see how it can happen, with lots of work, and many hubs. Thanks for sharing.

Valerie


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GKHERA99 6 years ago

You have a great style of writing, Keep up the good job!


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Enlydia Listener 6 years ago from trailer in the country

That was a very good read...it puts writing here in perspective...I don't write for money...I could think of at least 100 other ways to make money...or at least maybe I could think of 100...hmm? that sounds like a good idea for a hub.


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bladesofgrass 6 years ago from The Fields of Iowa

Well said. :) I look forward to reading more of your hubs. Thanks for the welcome ;D


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k2jade31 4 years ago from Idaho

Thank you for all the great information, and the great read.

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