What topics are not featured by HubPages?

Idle Thoughts of an Idle Fellow

"On being idle" by Jerome K. Jerome. Image in Public Domain
"On being idle" by Jerome K. Jerome. Image in Public Domain | Source

New HubPage rules and being Idle

HubPages brought in a new system whereby hubs that don’t get traffic got classed as ‘Idle.’ They are then removed from search engine results and to all intents and purposes they cease to exist on the Internet though they can still be found amongst your hubs and you can edit them.

In our accounts we could see which hubs have been classed as Idle because they had the letters ‘zz’ against them. When it was first introduced I was shocked and saddened to find I had a lot in this sorry state.

It has been argued that this has been done to improve the site after very definite problems with low traffic and low incomes for hubbers had been caused by the Google Panda and subsequent updates. HubPages management say they are doing all they can to make the site better so we all will benefit in the long run.

It is argued that if a hub is not getting much traffic then it is not what Internet users are searching for. Its quality as a piece of writing is not being criticised, just its potential for getting views and thereby earning its writer some money. And after all, most of us on the site are hoping to make income from out online writings and articles.

This system has now been changed to 'Featured' or not featured but the hubs that are not featured are in the same state as idled ones.

Includes On Being Idle by Jerome K. Jerome

Those that agree with Idle hubs

Many hubbers have welcomed this new idling system and claim that it is helping them to put together better hubs and by editing the ones that are idled to improve them. By tweaking a hub that has been idled you can get it active again after a short term pending its approval.

Some of those people who agree with the new rules are also getting rid of idle hubs and regarding this as a learning experience. They are grateful to HubPages.

Hugh Laurie reads on Being Idle by Jerome K. Jerome

Those against Idle hubs

Other hubbers, and I am one of the most vocal, argue that perfectly good articles have been classed as Idle and that this is very annoying, especially when you spent a lot of time putting them together and know there is nothing actually wrong with the hubs.

I have hubs that have been idled that have at one time been published in hard copy magazines so I know they are of a professional standard. Others are about what I regard as very important subjects that I wanted to write about in an effort to get information out to the public.

What do you think of the new Idling procedure?

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Getting traffic to your hubs

It all comes down to traffic though. If the hubs are not getting any views then they are likely to get the zzs against them and taking out of operation. To ensure you get good traffic it is thought that current news subjects are what should be written about. If it’s past its newsworthiness then it is unlikely anyone will be searching for it. That is the argument presented. Also if it is something very obscure with not much known about it or interest taken by the public offline or online then the chances are it will not do well!

I am not happy with seeing so many of my quality articles being classed as unfit to be published on HubPages now so am removing them to other sites such as Wizzley. However, I have made a note of what not to write about on HubPages in future. I know what is likely to get the Idled treatment. Here, coming up, are the subjects and terms not to use here if you want the all important traffic and for your hubs to be safe.

Flying Saucers v UFOs

Flying Saucers? Don’t use this as a keyword in your article or title. People stopped calling them flying saucers long ago and nowadays they are UFOs. I am old-fashioned and still use the old term but it has not served me well here. Flying Saucers are likely to get Idled!

Syd Barrett of Pink Floyd

Celebrities who died are not a good topic unless it is recent news. Don’t write about famous people who died some time ago. The chances are all the tributes and obituaries were in the news then and now there is a lot less talk about them on the Internet.

Syd Barrett, the brilliant founder of Pink Floyd, who went on to have a very erratic and eccentric solo career before his death, is surprisingly not recommended as a good subject for a hub. I had a very detailed hub about him Idled. Pink Floyd would be OK to write about here but not Syd.

Despite his very large fanbase and countless people who admired him, Syd isn’t making the news any more. Some people have never heard of him anyway. I have discovered that at gigs when I have announced that I am doing a cover of a Syd Barrett song and have asked if there are any Syd Barrett fans here.

Las Carboneras

The remote Tenerife village of Las Carboneras. Photo by Steve Andrews
The remote Tenerife village of Las Carboneras. Photo by Steve Andrews

Remote mountain villages

On Tenerife there are many very remote mountain villages but because plenty of tourists don’t go to them not many people know anything about them and hardly anyone is searching for them on the Internet. Hubs about the hamlets of Taborno, Las Carboneras and Erjos have all been given zzs.

Now I have to admit that the majority of people on this island don’t know where these places are either and may have never heard of them. I am unusual and like to seek out such locations. I do a lot of walking in the country but the majority of people do not go in for this and it is that majority you are hoping will be looking for keywords used in your hubs.

They are unlikely to be Googling for any of these places, picturesque and wonderful as they may be. The lesson here is to write about tourist resorts because that is where all the holiday-makers go. Places off the beaten-track are not a good idea to write about here. They simply do not get enough traffic on the Internet and in searches via Google or other leading search engines.

Forest Fires

Forest fires are only newsworthy when they are happening. The terrible blazes that took place on Tenerife and La Gomera back in August and that made international news at the time, were of interest then but not anymore. Same goes for droughts and other freak weather. People were searching for news on these subjects at the time but are not interested months or years later.

Priscilla Hernandez

Singer-songwriter and artist Priscilla Hernandez
Singer-songwriter and artist Priscilla Hernandez

Unsigned Musicans and Unpublished Writers

Don’t bother writing about any of your friends who are unsigned if they are singer-songwriters or in bands. Hubs about Spanish singer and artist Priscilla Hernandez, Canadian songwriter Daniel Iorio and American rapper Mikey J all came into this category. There are not enough people interested and sadly that is why they are unsigned and not household names. It matters not whether they are very talented or not. If hardly anyone is searching for their names then they make bad subjects for hubs and will get Idled. This of course, also applies to poets, artists and writers, anyone, in fact, who is not already famous.

Best albums by Priscilla Hernandez

What not to write about

So there you have it. Some of the topics I have found are not a good idea to write about on HubPages. Remember if it is, or they are, dead, in the past, hardly known about, remote, unpopular, or unpublished, then people using search engines are not likely to be looking for any of the keywords associated with these subjects. Your poetry is also likely to be classed as Idle here even if it took you a long time to write it. Poems and your own song lyrics are not good subjects for hubs now.

Create your hubs about anything that will get good traffic that conforms with other Hubpages guidelines and rules. And good luck!

Update on Featured on not featured hubs

HubPages changed things again here and now hubs are either classed as 'Featured' or not. If they are not featured they are in the same state as Idle. Instead of a zz being shown against them they now have a blank space while featured hubs have the letter H! The status is shown in the 'Featured' column in Accounts.

You can find out more about it all here.

© 2012 Steve Andrews

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lovemychris 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

I just checked......all of my political hubs are zzzzz'd! But I guess I could write more about astrolgy, which has the most views of all.

race to the top.....or meet the status quo?


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Bard of Ely 4 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Yes, I am glad I don't have any political hubs or they would probably all have zzs alongside them too! Thanks for commenting!


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LillyGrillzit 4 years ago from The River Valley, Arkansas

Thank you Steve! Most of my Hubs are on evergreen topics, and at different times of the year indicate when people search for them. I do not think it is making it better for many of us, (seeing your poll @ 100% NO confirms it), and that is a shame, because we are seeing the loss of many good articles, writers, and Hubs.

I have found that since I no longer spend 12 hours per day on HP, I am a person non grata, they do not even include my new Hubs, Questions, or activity in the daily updates.

Funny enough I am losing $$ due to their new policies, but funnier still is the fact that they are losing substantially more! I lose .16 cents; they lose $12.00 Live and learn huh.


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Rebecca E. 4 years ago from Canada

a very interesting take, and yes most of my writing hubs are ZZ's but they also don't have many photos or videos on them.


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Bard of Ely 4 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Thanks for posting too, LillyGrillzit! I am sorry you are losing out here too! As you can see I thought I'd try making a hub about this problem.


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Bard of Ely 4 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Rebecca, I have lots of hubs with videos and photos that have still been idled. Some of my ones about remote areas of the countryside here have a collection of photos I took but seems they are not what is searched for.


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janderson99 4 years ago from Australia on Planet Water

Hey Mate! You've become an HP pet - this hub by-passed pending!


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anjalichugh 4 years ago from New York

I had a look at my hubs yesterday after about a year of hibernation. :) I was surprised to see many of my articles categorized as idle. This was new for me. So I had to go back to my idle hubs and make some small changes and within an hour the status changed to 'active' (green dots). I'm trying to familiarize myself with the changes in Hubpages software. Lets hope it works well for everyone. :)


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Bard of Ely 4 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

John, I was wondering how I was getting comments already! I must be doing something right for a change! lol

Anjalichugh, yes, I was shocked to see all my idled hubs too but I am starting to look on this a new way as evidenced by this hub!


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mary615 4 years ago from Florida

I have to agree with your advice in this Hub. I have had only one Hub idled, and it was a stupid (and I do mean stupid) poem. I just deleted it. I try to write "evergreen" articles, and take my own photos.

If you write a wonderful Hub and no one is searching for that subject, it will be idled, I think.

I voted this UP, etc.


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Bard of Ely 4 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Thank you, Mary!


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snakeslane 4 years ago from Canada

Hi Bard, I can certainly understand your frustration. It appears people will have to go back to printed publications to find meaningful or in depth information. It doesn't seem to be appreciated by the search engines, at least not the way things are set up now. Regards, snakeslane


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Bard of Ely 4 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

It could even add to the dumbing down of society! It is a sad trend I agree. In fact thinking about it you could probably publish an academic essay on here now only to get it idled. Nevertheless I am sticking around.


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Novel Treasure 4 years ago from US

Good hub topic. I a lot of time we write about what we should do on Hubpages, or should write about. We don't usually see advice on what we shouldn't do. Voted up.


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Bard of Ely 4 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Thanks for your vote and comments!


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MyWebs 4 years ago from Sheridan, WY

I say why take any chances. Best not to publish anything new on HubPages as long as they are idling perfectly good hubs. The new 24 hour pending period really has me upset at HP and it the main reason I won't write one more word on here.

Not happy they took away the follow attribute on my links on my profile page either. It all adds up to I'm done with HP! Jumps ship before it crashes into the rocks and sinks.


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Bard of Ely 4 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Thanks for posting your views and good luck elsewhere!


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mpropp 4 years ago from Minnesota

Interesting hub. I'm a newbie with only 10 hubs published, so I'm not being impacted as badly as those of you who were well established. I had one go idle (not even my lamest hub) and I tweaked the title and it went active again. Your list of hubs that are likely to get zzz'd makes sense, but I'm still unclear as to how long a hub goes without getting any hits before it gets zzz'd. I have a couple that haven't got any views for a long time or have only been viewed a couple times a week. Do you think the hubs have to be at least 6 months old or something, before they zzz it?


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Bard of Ely 4 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

I have two other accounts here and the most recent (couple of months back if that) has had hubs idled so it doesn't take long. As far as I can see you are expected to be attending to your hubs daily or make them so popular you don't have to! Good luck!


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Peggy W 4 years ago from Houston, Texas

It is a shame that travel articles about remote villages or out of the way places with original photos are ever put into an idle stage. We were encouraged to write evergreen topics and those would certainly fit that category. Good articles...even if they are not searched for often should remain available for viewing for the few who are seeking those topics. If they don't make much money, than so be it. I would rather see inferior hubs removed than good small niche topic ones.


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Bard of Ely 4 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Thank you! I agree with you! Today you could be an explorer and go somewhere undiscovered, take some photos and publish a hub about it and it would get idled unless you had a deal with National Geographic and so were famous to that degree!


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d.william 4 years ago from Somewhere in the south

Great hub. It is good to see how people have reacted to the new rules on HP. I have stopped writing anything new and am concentrating on reviving those that have been zzzz'd. If they go back to being zzz'd after revision, i delete them. This revision process is taking the time away from writing new ones, so i will try alternative blog sites as well.

Some of us who don't really care about making top money on HP are being forced out of HP as part of the new American mentality of - Profits above all else; greed is good; net profits before quality, etc...


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Bard of Ely 4 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

"Profits above all else; greed is good; net profits before quality, etc..." - isn't this exactly why the world is so messed up? My advice is don't delete what you have created but put them somewhere else. Don't let creativity get destroyed!


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d.william 4 years ago from Somewhere in the south

Exactly my point. I meant deleted from HP only, not destroyed, but thanks for the advice.


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Bard of Ely 4 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Good for you! Don't let this nonsense destroy what you are creating!


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CASE1WORKER 4 years ago from UNITED KINGDOM

What gets me is that you can have an idle hub; make a microscopic change and its up and running again. I don't honestly think this benefits anyone much at all


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Bard of Ely 4 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

And in the meantime it is taken out of search results and is as good as dead even if it was once a widely viewed article or important news item! The tweaking needed to change things is so small that it makes no real difference so what sense is there in this?


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alekhouse 4 years ago from Louisville, Kentucky

Although you are making very sound points and I agree with you whole heartedly on every point, I found your article to be delightfully sarcastic and hilarious. Is it my warped sense of humor? 'cause it doesn't seem anyone else found it to be so but me.

When I discovered half my hubs were sleeping, I started revising them with the intention of republishing them one by one. The Hub team promptly unpublished the first one I sent to see the light of day. They claimed I had stolen the article from someone else. It pissed me off but, instead of fighting it, I acquiesced and gave up the ghost. I think I will also check out Wizzley or some other more friendly site...one where the articles are wide awake and interesting.


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tmbridgeland 4 years ago from Small Town, Illinois

Bard of Ely I pretty much agree with you. I don't like the new idle process. I have had Hubs that went months with little to no traffic back in the old days (two years ago) that gradually picked up steam and became active. That can't happen now. Also, some Hubs get a bunch of hits every once in a while, I don't know why.


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Bard of Ely 4 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Alekhouse, there was intentional humour in my writing! I am glad you saw it! Thanks for your comments too, tmbridgeland!


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aa lite 4 years ago from London

I think the big problem HP is having that, having allowed a lot of really bad spam on the site in previous years they are not sure how to get rid of it now that Google objects to it. So they've decided on this shortcut of de-indexing hubs that aren't getting much Google traffic. They don't seem to care very much that really good hubs fall victim to this policy as well.

Frankly I wouldn't care that some of my hubs got idled, if it lifted the Google curse of the non-idle ones. Obviously this hasn't happened, after the last Panda I've lost what little traffic I had. According to Paul E. it's just because it hasn't worked yet, Google is really slowly at de-indexing the idle hubs. Lets hope he's right.

I've sort of lost my motivation to write here, not so much because of the possiblity of my hubs getting idled, or even the delays at getting indexed, but because my hubs get so little traffic. Hubs I felt I would have a good chance getting first page of Google SERPs, I know a lot about the subject, and the results on the first page really are not that good, are nowhere to be found.

It seems to me that you were once getting much better traffic than you are now. This suggests that there is a certain search volume for the topics you write about. If HubPages could get rid of the panda penalty, you would probably get more Google traffic to your hubs, and they would not get idle. Personally I wouldn't care if some of my pages are de-indexed as long as the others get decent traffic.


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Bard of Ely 4 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Yes, I feel the same as you when you say: "I've sort of lost my motivation to write here, not so much because of the possibility of my hubs getting idled, or even the delays at getting indexed, but because my hubs get so little traffic."

This hub was the first in a long time for me!


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Laura Ginn 4 years ago from UK

I love this hub and I agree with you entirely. However much I edit my hubs I still have a whole host of them that have been idled, and like you, it's not because they're poorly written, it's because they're on an unpopular subject. I have also had problems with HP removing content for no reason at all and have had enough of publishing articles on here.

I'm going to start my own article directory style blog and start moving my idled and unpublished hubs over to it. I'm not hanging around to be told what I can and can't do by HP anymore.


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Bard of Ely 4 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

It has just been pointed out by EmpressFelicity in one of my forum threads that the emphasis may be on Lifestyle/Food/ Fashion which are GLAM, therefore anything else which isn't is not going to do well or get encouraged!

Good luck with your own blog, Laura, and thanks for commenting!


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janderson99 4 years ago from Australia on Planet Water

Update from an Avid Idle Hubs Watcher - The Prince's Kiss

= Play the game, you can't change the rules

= Let 'em go idle - you get a hub score boost of 10 or so when edited.

= Change the title to something more competitive

= Add one huge image and Pin it

= Google + it

= Keep doing it.

Back to watching the grass grow


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Bard of Ely 4 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Thanks for your suggestions!


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Rebecca E. 4 years ago from Canada

interesting take there, I didn't think it was photos, but I was sort of hoping that the lack of them might have been the cause... sigh, well back to writing and writing some more (maybe on my blog... or something)


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Bard of Ely 4 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Having visual appeal is one of the things you are looking for when hub hopping so obviously photos are important. There are really short text only and badly written hubs on here. I found a couple earlier in a short time so there are probably loads. I have many long hubs, with subheadings and photos and videos that have all been idled though. So while photos can be a help they don't stop the zzs!


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nmcguire7 4 years ago from Los Angeles County

Helpful info. Thanks for creating.


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moonlake 4 years ago from America

I think this idle thing is crazy. Hubs are sometimes way at the bottom then will suddenly go up. When the hubs are idled they don't show up in the profile either. I guess when they're tweaked they must show up someplace because people start to view them. I have given up on haikus. I know they are part of hubpages but once they’re idled I am taking them off. Just don’t want to take the time to fool with them. I think the idle is hurting hubpages.

Good information on your hub. I didn't realize that there was a difference in views using UFO or Flying Saucer.


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Bard of Ely 4 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Thank you for appreciating this hub!


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dingyskipper 4 years ago from Northamptonshire

I like this hub and have read some of your other hubs about Tenerife, learning about new places is always interesting, I have lots of Zzzs now, so the 700+ people who have read them must all have been sad losers!


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Bard of Ely 4 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

I am glad you have enjoyed my Tenerife hubs but sadly most of them are now getting idled and many I have already moved to Wizzley. Thanks for commenting!


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LillyGrillzit 4 years ago from The River Valley, Arkansas

There are writers and publishers who understand this, but this is another thing that is driving me away; several of my Idle Hubs (about 1/2 now), are crawled by Google & Bing daily. I just checked two high dollar SEO Hubs, and 38 minutes ago, they were crawled by both sites...what's up?


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Bard of Ely 4 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

I don't understand this stuff well but I thought the idled hubs were no longer available to search engines so how is that possible?


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janderson99 4 years ago from Australia on Planet Water

Re: several of my Idle Hubs (about 1/2 now), are crawled by Google & Bing daily

They are crawled but the bots see the NOINDEX tag and goes away, so the pages are not indexed and cannot appear in search results - but hits do appear if someone clicks on the direct link.


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Bard of Ely 4 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Thank you for explaining! I suppose this is why it is possible for an idle hub to have red triangle showing it is going up!


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macteacher 4 years ago from New York

It's a shame that what passes for popular these days isn't always that interesting. It's also a shame that quality writing gets set on snooze. I like your writing though, so I'm going to follow you and see what else you come up with. :-)


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Bard of Ely 4 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Thank you, macteacher!


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CloudExplorer 4 years ago from New York City

Awesome job with this hub, you truly are a great writer bro, I wish you didn't have to move your hubs that got idled anywhere, but if you must then so be it.

Keep your head up Bard, things are getting better here for sure, I feel it in me digital bones. Oh and thanks for the motivation to write a hub about this subject, I'll credit it back to this hub of yours bro and add a bit of more commentary as well.

Wonderful job overall, and yup my poems are all idled LOL. Go figure!


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Bard of Ely 4 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Not surprised all your poems have the zzs! That's how it goes here even if you write an intro with notes about the poem. Good luck with your hub inspired by this, and yes, please do credit me!


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daisydayz 4 years ago from Cardiff

Great Hub Bard, maybe after so much distaste for this new system the Hubteam will try to change how it is done. The idea of idel'ing hubs under a certain score is probably a better idea. Even if it is under 50. Nearly all my hubs start with a score just above that, so it shouldn't be too difficult for people to keep their hub score above it. Then hopefully the stupid spam ones or just blatant promotional and sales ones will start disappearing!

Anyway great hub, voted up!


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Bard of Ely 4 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Thank you, Daisydayz! Yes, one of the options in the hob hopping is "not even worth a 2" and there are hubs here that bad! Just a couple of badly worded paras and no images even! There are hubbers with no picture, just a couple of lines profile text and no hubs! Why are they here?


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JoanCA 4 years ago

I wrote a hub before the idling policy about buying a struggling franchise. I knew there would be a very limited audience for this but it was getting several hits a month. It's been idled once and I had it republished. It's very frustrating to not be able to write about things that may be important but don't attract a lot of readers.


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Radcliff 4 years ago from Hudson, FL

Nice hub! I had two hubs that went idle, so I created a couple more backlinks and improved the SEO. They soon went from idle to active, so apparently that helps. Thanks!


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Nicole Winter 4 years ago from Chicago, IL

Again, I'd like to add that there should be an algorithm written which does a word count versus link count... this would help to clear up the spammiest of articles, while still allowing quality articles with extra linkage to survive. Nice hub, Bard of Ely, hopefully with more attention being drawn to this people will start taking moderating the hubs, via Hub Hopper a little more seriously. Also, like Radcliff said, backlinking and SEO improvements may be something we could all take a look at to improve our views.


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Bard of Ely 4 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Thanks for your comments, Joan, Radcliff and Nicole! I agree with you all!


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Jean Bakula 4 years ago from New Jersey

Hello Bard,

I write a series of well known people of each astrology sign, and wrote about Syd Barrett. I am old enough to know he founded Pink Floyd. I know several people wrote about him on Wizzley and did quite well. Astrology should be completely saturated, but no matter what Metaphysical topic I write on, everyone asks me for more Astrology. Current events are not evergreen, and now we've been told to not worry so much about keywords. I'm thorougly confused. I write on both Wizzley and Inforbarrel (besides my blog which Marisa helped me with) and like Infobarrel better. Wizzley likes enviromental stuff though, and isn't that one of your niches? I think those pieces would do better there. My metaphysical stuff doesn't do well there, so I intend to dig out some of the info I have from local environmental battles I've fought in my community. They also seem to like articles about diet and nutrition, although no "weight loss" tales. Chef Kiem has a list of topics that he does not want to see, such as "how can I get my BF back?" Those are for personal diaries, not blogs.


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Vik Beluso 4 years ago from Champaign, IL

Too bad. I'd have read your hub about Syd Barrett. Interstellar overdrive, baby!


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Bard of Ely 4 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

It has all become so horribly complicated! Btw, I haven't moved Syd yet because I have too much to do with all these new problems that have been caused. Thank you, Jean and Vik, for your comments!


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Debby Bruck 4 years ago

Dear Steve - I popped over here from your forum discussion about idle hubs. http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/105599 Really interesting topic, so maybe this page won't go idle. I'll have to check the status on my hubs, but found it funny that I had just written about Frankenfoods and Monsanto, but haven't published it yet. We'll see what happens. Keep up the good works. You keep us thinking, Blessings, Debby


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Bard of Ely 4 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Thank you, Debby! I am working on a hub to follow this one all about what to write about!


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Jean Bakula 4 years ago from New Jersey

Hello Bard,

I moved quite a few hubs to Wizzley early in 2012, but they didn't seem to do well, so I put them on my blog. However, I didn't take the "time" factor in, and believe if I left them time to age, they may have done better. I still think environmental stuff works on Wizzley, or practical advice. Infobarrel is a little easier for me to write on. Wizzley has more ways to make money, but I never made $ on them! I have finished the required 10 pieces on both, but notice although I've ignored Wizzley for months, I have about an 80 author score. It is hard to know what to do, if you want to make money it's more sensible to pick one site (other than HP) so your stuff adds up. And if you do make any money here, leave your stuff. You only have to change a few words or add a new picture, and the ZZZ's go away.


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Bard of Ely 4 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Jean, I am still to make my first Wizzley money but I like the site and am continuing moving stuff there. Infobarrel I just signed up with but haven't got much further with. I was really happy with HubPages and thought it was a great place to showcase my work but cannot say so any more. My blog makes nothing so have been put off spending much time on it. I am convinced I have written a lot of excellent quality articles and so am very disappointed with how well they do anywhere! I don't have a day job so am depending on making money online but I cannot do so any more... well, I haven't been doing well recently. This hub is about my recent experiences here and my conclusions.


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Debby Bruck 4 years ago

I will have to check your profile page for new Hubs and see what you suggest. Have a super day.


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Bard of Ely 4 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Thanks for commenting, Debby, but please don't expect to see lots of new hubs from me. I have just done this one and another but those have been the first hubs I have published in a long time. However, f these new ones do well that will inspire me to write more.


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Jean Bakula 4 years ago from New Jersey

Well, from what I understand you are a "real" journalist. I have been called a "writerly writer" and online writing is hard for me too. People like short bursts of info, and when I care about a subject, I want to get into it in depth. I am getting a lot of visitors to my blog, between 100 and 200 a day, sometimes 300 now, and that's only me, in 8 months. I only put ads on it about 6 weeks ago. I understand the quality of your writing is not the issue. It's not really true you can "Sign up, Write Hubs and Make Money." They explain about SEO in so many articles, but many of us jump in and start writing, without reading all that. It's really a lie. They should tell you up front it's all about figuring out what people will look for in a Google search, that's the way to make money. But I suspect you care about what you write, like I do (and you are a pro writer, I'm not). Amazon is a joke here, I made $22.00 in 2 yrs. though I wrote only a few product hubs about stuff I like. Interestingly, they are NOT on the drop down menu so I can feature them on my profile page, and almost all of my hubs have an above 75 score, most range in the 80's and 90's. If you like Wizzley, stay with them until you see some money coming in, even if you can monetize your blog, you won't make much, your chances are better with a larger site. Don't use Allposters on Wizzley, I had trouble with pictures and loved Allposters, I even tried selling them on my blog, but no interest. They aren't just teenage posters, you can get lovely expensive prints framed there, and I'm using them for some Christmas shopping. Good luck Bard. Infobarrel also featured one of my pieces after I only wrote 5, and in 2 yrs here nobody gave me any attention. I wrote my whole series on Greek myth and pyschotherapy, those hubs took days, and in a contest recipes beat me. It's so discouraging, but we can't let them get us down, we have to go where we are appreciated! Without writers HP has nobody, and some of the advice I see for newbies is so wrong.


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Bard of Ely 4 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Yes, Jean, I do care about my writings and have often written about subjects I am interested in not thinking about whether the public will be searching for these topics but assuming there will be people out like myself who would be interested. I had been led to believe that if you became a niche writer this was a good thing but it seems only if that niche is one the public wants to read about. That is presumably why remote locations in Tenerife do not do well because people don't know about them to begin with so won't search for them.

My experience with Amazon here has been very disappointing too, and it took me four years to make my first payout of $100. I have been told that adding "Best" to descriptions of items on there helps. My descriptions have probably been not good enough.

I have just joined Infobarrel so will put some hubs on there and see how they do.


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CR Rookwood 4 years ago from Moonlight Maine

Too bad about this. I'll have to check and see if I have any idled hubs. I like your idea about using them somewhere else. I never throw anything out, even if it just sits on my desktop until I figure out what to do with it!


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Bard of Ely 4 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Thanks for your comments! Yes, I don't believe in throwing my creations out!


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DREAM ON 3 years ago

You gave all the hubbers great advice on idle hubs.I write mostly poems and short stories through your experience what site is the best.I will probably get all zzzz but I love to write and this is where I got my start.I have learned a lot about so many subjects and made many friends. It is sad to see so many good hubbers not get appreciated.Thanx for sharing and have a great day.


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Bard of Ely 3 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Yes it is likely now that your hubs will get idled if they are poems and stories. I have moved a lot of my work to Wizzley. Thanks for posting!


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bat115 3 years ago from Los Angeles, CA

Thank You for this hub, Bard! How things have changed since I wrote my last hub over 2 years ago.


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B. Leekley 3 years ago from Kalamazoo, Michigan, USA

About the problem of how to introduce something relatively new and unfamiliar to the world when anything not already familiar and searched for gets zzz'd, isn't it often possible to associate something unfamiliar with something familiar in the hub title? Like, few people know about Tenerife and fewer know about its villages, but lots of people, even I, have heard of the Canary Islands -- though I don't recall where they are or what country they are part of. The Google Adwords Keyword Tool says that "Canary Islands" gets 368,000 global monthly searches and "Canary Islands vacations" gets over 1,000, so how about a group of hubs on Canary Islands vacations, with one called "Canary Islands Vacations: Visiting the Mountain Villages of Tenerife," with some original video footage and a pitch why that day trip is a wonderful experience? Ditto linking Pink Floyd with individuals in that band.


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Bard of Ely 3 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Thanks for commenting bat115, and for your suggestions, B. Leekley! Someone else recommended that "Canary Islands" should be used and now you have confirmed this.


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andromida 3 years ago

Because of idle hub system I had to take down my first hub, which I published three years back, along with a few more.Hubs not getting traffic for a while does not mean that they will never get. Because of backing and demand of a topic might give you traffic to a hub that seems idle apparently. SEO is killing creativity and discouraging many brilliant writers from publishing their works.


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Bard of Ely 3 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Part of the problem is though that unless you get your hubs out of the idled status they cannot get traffic because they are no longer in search results. I agree with you that all this emphasis on SEO is killing creative and quality writing though!


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Glass-Jewelry 3 years ago from Presezzo, Italy

The best method that I have experienced to not drop your own Hubs to inactivity, that is, to make them visible and consequently so that they are read and hopefully commented, is to:

1. Explore HubPages and find Hubbers and Hubs that have written arguments with a theme similar to those of your own Hubs, i.e. you must search for people and articles that are related to what you like and write.

2. Carefully read their Hubs and then comment in a non-superficial, but stimulating way, i.e. don't comment only with "Beautiful Hub" or "Very nice information" or "Thank you for sharing your experience", etc.

Hope this help!


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Bard of Ely 3 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Thanks for the advice though I fail to see how after a while it makes any difference because I have had hubs that have had loads of comments and they still became idled.


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Deltachord 3 years ago from United States

I agree that the idle Hub thing is annoying. And if you write about more esoteric subjects, those Hubs will get less traffic.

Fewer people are intersted in obscure topics and more so these days it seems. Perhaps, curiosity isn't encouraged in schools as much anymore. The dumbing down effect is working.


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Bard of Ely 3 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Yes, I agree and just as bad we are not encouraged to write creatively but to think about keywords and SEO, not about people's imaginations and appreciation of something well-written but in terms of what are the masses searching for!


Retired Mom Blog 3 years ago

I am a brand new "Hubber" and am learning what to write and how to write about my experiences and make them relevant to others who will read my hubs and give me feedback, and, possibly become a follower.

Thanks for this information!!!


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Bard of Ely 3 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

You are welcome! Thanks for commenting!


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Deltachord 3 years ago from United States

Yes bard, creativity isn't encouraged either. No creative titles for instance...all SEO.


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Bard of Ely 3 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

It has been where I was going wrong. I have been schooled in coming up with titles for magazines and the media but they don't work at sites like this where keywords and SEO are far more important than creativity and artistic talent.


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Deltachord 3 years ago from United States

Hey Bard, have you tried writing a novel? You could use your creativity writing a novel.


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Bard of Ely 3 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

I am working on an autobiographical account and a herbs book so need to finish them first!


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Deltachord 3 years ago from United States

Well, keep trucking, as they said in the hippy days in the U.S.A. Sounds like you're working hard.


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Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia

Hello Bard. Anyone writing here for the last 3 or years realizes this place has had it. I suppose this is why the newbies are featured so often lately so as to make them think they are special. You can tell by the HOTD's chosen on a regular basis which often are not worthy of the title.

But then, you also have to look at who is choosing them and the talent, or lack of by the choosers themselves. It is a waste of time to publish articles which will be sought in the near future as they too will be idled before they ever start getting backlinks from those who find them to be helpful.

I wrote a hub knowing it would not peak fop 3 years or so. My hub was idled shortly before the time it would be popular while those of some APs written shortly before the date were promoted and thus, took most of the traffic from my article which was ranked #1 on Google until HP idled it not long before the peak time arrived.

We simply cannot trust HP any more to handle things correctly nor trust them with our efforts. A sad end to a formerly great site and once vibrant community of writers. Turn out the lights, the party's over.

SSSSS


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Bard of Ely 3 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

I am sticking around because whether I like it or not this is still the main site I make money on. I am actually looking forward to being part of the Apprenticeship programme and waiting to start. I need to learn what it takes to make money here!


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AdeleCosgroveBray 3 years ago from Wirral, Cheshire, England.

Thanks for sharing your experiences of which Hubs have worked and which haven't. It seems many of us have had to experiment to find out what kind of Hubs work over time. Some of my ideas didn't work at all - such as the writer interviews you mention. Once their immediate friends have visited, the traffic quickly dries up so I'm probably not going to do more of those. The "buy this" type of Hub I've found to be useless - and boring to me, too, so that's ok! Oddly, some of the daftest ideas seem to bring in regular traffic.


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Bard of Ely 3 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Hi Adele! Sadly the interview with yourself has been idled and I am going to have to move that one too! It has got really difficult but my traffic is actually on the up at the moment so I must be doing something right again!


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Better Living 3 years ago

Thanks for the heads-up. I'm new here and want to start off on the "write" foot. ;)


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AdeleCosgroveBray 3 years ago from Wirral, Cheshire, England.

Steve, if you move it to another site (if you want to!) could you let me have the new URL so I can add an up-to-date link on my website, please. If you're just going to abandon it, that's ok too! :)


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Bard of Ely 3 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Thanks, for giving me the OK to abandon it! It seems a real shame but I know if I stick it on Wizzley it is likely to suffer the same fate and I am dropping fast there now having gone from front page and 100% down to 98% and a few pages down. I think it is because I have added low traffic hubs.


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AdeleCosgroveBray 3 years ago from Wirral, Cheshire, England.

No problem; I'm having a clear-out of idle Hubs right now, too.


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Bard of Ely 3 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

OK, Adele, I will delete it! I am glad you don't mind!


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AdeleCosgroveBray 3 years ago from Wirral, Cheshire, England.

As an update to this, I've found that re-phrasing the titles of author interview hubs, so that the subject matter of their book is given emphasis, has resulted in that Hub being relisted. Whether it stays relisted is another matter! :)


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Bard of Ely 3 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Anything you do gets the hub relisted and by that I mean just change a few words anywhere and it will be taken out of idle status but not for long! I am removing all hubs HP doesn't want here! I think it is crazy but I don't make the rules!

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