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Shifty dealings at Hub Pages - it's a game for children now

  1. recraig2 profile image60
    recraig2posted 8 years ago

    I'm new here and things seem QUITE shifty I should say. My total page views have been 98 for a day or two and today it is 91. Now unless the Earth began a reverse rotation on its axis near the speed of light I doubt we have gone back in time without noticing. So how in the h@!! did that happen?

    This is not the first of these kinds of incidents here at Hub Pages. I nearly left on Sunday for good over another worse kind. So I am putting my energies into other ventures that are more reliable, fair and predictable. Hub Pages for me has become just a game for children, because of this kind of dealing.

    Any thoughts?

    1. Mark Knowles profile image62
      Mark Knowlesposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      I am sure hubpages have technical issues the same as any other complex site. Are you talking about total page views ever? If not, traffic goes down as well as up. I have never found hubpages to do anything SHIFTY myself, but people tend to see what they want to see, so....

      On the other hand, maybe you should just go back to serving christ? Nothing SHIFTY about that. lol

    2. VioletSun profile image70
      VioletSunposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      My experience with hubpages has been a very good one; I believe we create our experiences by how we interact with others,  and how we feel on the inside, well most of the time!

      I read your hub about your leaving a comment in a hubpage that was not agreeable to the writer of the hub,   I agree with your observation in your hub that sometimes the tone of a comment may be misinterpreted- noticed this twice in the past few weeks, where I left friendly comments and the comeback from the writer (s) was a little tense which indicates a misperception.  wink

      Give Hubpages a chance, its really a great community of awesome writers!  smile

    3. darkside profile image80
      darksideposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      What other incidents do you speak of?

    4. Eric Graudins profile image60
      Eric Graudinsposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Yes, I have a couple of thoughts.

      Last time I looked, it wasn't compulsory to be at Hub Pages.
      Please go elsewhere, as you have indicated you will, to where you'll find things more to your liking.
      To a magical land where there are never any database errors, and where the numbers always add up.
      And where hopefully you'll find some proper adults to talk to - and not the children that abound here.

      In fact, I think you've got a moral obligation to absent yourself from hubpages.
      Gracious, what would people think if it became known in your circles that you were hanging around a bunch of children.
      There's a word for that after all.

      Well recraig2 It's been nice not talking with you.
      Let's not talk again real soon. smile

      Bye.
      Eric G.

  2. Lissie profile image86
    Lissieposted 8 years ago

    My thoughts that you are making a transparent attempt to up your page views because you think that will make you money - it wont. The page views are on a the PREVIOUS 24 hours - every hour they move on another hour - its tricky for most people under the age of 5 to understand that!

  3. Rik Ravado profile image91
    Rik Ravadoposted 8 years ago

    I'm with Violet 100%.  My experience of HubPages has been very positive.  Its not perfect but any community is about what YOU make of it and your personal contribution.  So lets be positive and graceous to others.

  4. profile image0
    pgrundyposted 8 years ago

    I love Hub Pages. I've been here a year and I've already made more ad revenue than I ever expected to--and if what other people tell me is true, I can look forward to making more if I stick around. It does take awhile though and you have to keep writing. It's certainly not a get rich quick site. But all the great people here make it more than worthwhile. smile

  5. Scott Mandrake profile image59
    Scott Mandrakeposted 8 years ago

    It seems to me the only problem you are encountering is your own expectations.  Whether or not you wanted to make money or be the next guru, you have strayed from the path of wisdom and come to expect results.

    I have read all 4 of your hubs.  In honesty I found all but one to be blatant attempts to make money.  The same sort of regurgitation crap that plagues the internet with desperate hopefuls, looking to make a quick million writing some articles.

    That being said, I loved your article http://hubpages.com/hub/Cowards-on-HubPages
    It came from your heart.  You put some thought into it.  Most importantly it was done for the benefit of yourself and others. When you write, it should be for your benefit yes, but also the benefit of your reader. Not just give them another avenue to buy some crap so you can cash a cheque and then go buy some crap yourself.

    Keep writing from your heart and your head, instead of your wallet, and you will have an avid reader in your fan club.

    Scott

    1. Constant Walker profile image60
      Constant Walkerposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Some very intelligent words here, Scott.  I believe YOU just gained a new reader...

  6. karen eini profile image59
    karen einiposted 8 years ago

    There are many nuances and things to learn in any new social setting both online or off. Hubpages is a culture just like any other. I have made my share of  mistakes by repeating posting in wrong places in the forum , or confusing my own  motivation for creating a hub.
    But you live and learn from those that take time to set you straight! smile


    Here are my two cents, without the click!

    1. Be super careful with the tone in which you ask or answer questions because it is so easy to be misunderstood.

    2. I think it is possible to earn money  here, but I cant speak from experience  yet and I wont give up my day job at this point. smile That said the   process of creating the hub, and the pleasure of being read, and reading other hubs has been a priceless experience.


    So as they say, enjoy the journey and remember the numbers don't define you, they only reflect your activity on hubpages, so keep it in context.

    Best of Luck,
    Karen EIni

    1. crashcromwell profile image82
      crashcromwellposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      I teach Contemporary Business Communications for the University of Phoenix online. The fundamental elements we focus on early in the course is that you need to know your purpose for writing, know who your audience is, know what is the appropriate tone to use with each type of audience, and then to generate content based upon the decisions they have made.

      Of all these, tone is the one that people have the most difficulty grasping. If they have gotten into the habit of being blunt and in-your-face, it's hard to get them to realize that one-size-fits-all communications is a recipe for disaster. For the most part, I find that hubbers get this idea far better than many of my students, and most hubbers try to be helpful when they give constructive criticism

      Keep writing.....

      Jim Henry, aka crashcromwell

  7. recraig2 profile image60
    recraig2posted 8 years ago

    This is beautiful! Half the comments assume my motivation for writing is to make money. My other hubs were written from what I know, in order to contribute to the community some of my personal knowledge. Those who MISINTERPRETED it as an attempt to make money are insane.

    On the one hand we are encouraged to generate revenue from our Hub Pages and to use the tools Hub Pages gives us to do so. If we are then criticized, derided and penalized in this community for taking this opportunity then there is a real illness being propagated here among some individuals.

    As for my writings, all of them come from my heart. Some of them also from my gut, which includes what I ate last night for dinner. It's a bit like vomiting, I have to admit.

    Please do not treat me like an inexperienced writer or a child or to behave childish in your comments. It is a free country though, so go ahead. This forum topic was started about a TECHNICAL issue that reflects something shifty. It was not started as a feeling or impression about a tone of voice, etc... Watching my traffic numbers is important to me for knowing whether a topic is popular or not and whether or not I need to change the focus of my writings. Not everyone watches traffic because they are trying to earn money, as some have so ignorantly assumed. This is the lack of grace I have written about elsewhere.

    1. Mark Knowles profile image62
      Mark Knowlesposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Well, I asked a pertinent question that might have helped. But you have ignorantly chosen to ignore it. smile

      You also ignored darkside's question.

      Considering you started this thread accusing hubpages of doing something shifty, I am not sure what you were looking for exactly. I haven't assumed any motivations other than the ones you state in your profile page. Serving christ being one of them. Although, the last time I picked up the good bok, it said that was a full-time job, so you have got me all confused.

      Lack of grace huh?..................

  8. recraig2 profile image60
    recraig2posted 8 years ago

    As for the number I spoke of, it was the TOTAL views for all hubs for all time. It went from 98 to 91 the next day. If the number represents something REAL, then there is something shifty that went on, indeed. Whether it was intentional or not I am not commenting on because it is out of my sphere of knowledge, of course. I am simply saying that if this happens then that number means nothing. We cannot use it for anything and it begs the question, "Why put these numbers up - what are their purposes?" It is the same question I have raised elsewhere about the scoring.

    It is the same shifty quality that is showing itself here. If you are curious then visit my Hub Page on that topic top find out.

    If you just want to spit words without considering my experience and thoughts about it then please go do it with someone else. It offends me when people half-read what I have written and react. For more on that topic see my other Hub as well.

    I am looking for a community to write to and to read from that is not poisoned from within. I have found a couple on the Net so far. I am still uncertain about Hub Pages though. We will see.

    As for my experience, I have led writers' groups (in person), taught writing classes, published books and articles for many years (in print), and lectured about pedagogy at conferences, where I have also published research articles. Do not underestimate a member's experience, just because you do not know them.

  9. Mark Knowles profile image62
    Mark Knowlesposted 8 years ago

    I never questioned your experience. I was asking what you were trying to say. You have chosen a word that implies some sort of deceit on the part of hubpages. And came out accusing them of "shiftyness" in other areas.

    I have found the statistics that are provided to match up fairly well with the other analytics program I have running.

    I suggest you set up a google analytics account as well. Then you can have accurate, impartial statistics that you can compare with the stats hubpages provide.

    And the next time you ask a question, perhaps you could couch it in terms that is not such an obvious attack (which includes the hub you mention.)

    You might get a more graceful response.

    As for the scoring, you seem to think you are under some sort of attack yourself, which is rather amusing. Considering the amount of people I piss off, I would think my score would be about 7 if that was possible. lol

    1. countrywomen profile image59
      countrywomenposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Mark- From what I have seen of you it seems to me that you are always willing to give positive suggestions. I never felt that you piss off people and found your responses to be thought provoking and sometimes (along with Misha) entertaining too. lol
      But after reading all this I feel ever since I have written that hub (It's ok not to be a Christian) my hub score which was in high 80's dropped to 70's . Do you think it is possible that some folks who get offended by it deliberately go to all the other hubs and try to flag or thumbs down?

      1. Mark Knowles profile image62
        Mark Knowlesposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        I don't think so. I am not certain, but it seems unlikely. I know there is a mechanism in place that prevents more than one thumbs down from the same IP address counting against you.

  10. recraig2 profile image60
    recraig2posted 8 years ago

    You typify in your comment what I am criticizing here at Hub Pages on my page which I created.

    The use of the term shifty does not imply someONE has done something dishonest or malicious, but that someTHING is unreliable. I did not accuse anyONE of anything dishonest in this forum topic. But you read this into my words. It is absent from them altogether. The possibilities are broader than your interpretation is allowing and you are completely missing my careful avoidance to accuse anyONE of wrongdoing in this topic.

    Thank you for giving me yet another example.

    1. agvulpes profile image88
      agvulpesposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Mate, methinks you should have a rethink on the word "shifty". Where I come from if you implied shiftiness you would not be met with "well done fellow". If you are deemed shifty you are low, low , low. That is perhaps why people were quick to jump all over you. Would you care to reconsider your question?
      Please excuse my avatar we are? in the festive season. Merry Christmas to you.

    2. Mark Knowles profile image62
      Mark Knowlesposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      recraig2 -

      Nice bit of twisting. You clearly did accuse someONE of being shifty, and are now accusing me of typifying what you are ranting about. Which is "Cowards on Hubpages" -

      "This is an infantile aspect of the networking community and an evil temptation of annonymity."

      To quote your hub, You are definitely a servant of christ all right lol

      You will know if I vote your hub down or otherwise. big_smile

      If you have a google analytics account, you know the true total and can compare them. I have found the 2 to be pretty close. But if you see a large difference, I suggest you prove that here and ask if some one could fix the issue for you.

      Starting passive/aggresive arguments may be the christian way, but it is likely to come in for some flak here.

      And as Eric said -ciao big_smile

    3. Marisa Wright profile image94
      Marisa Wrightposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      I know this is a bit late and he's probably gone already, but ...

      Recraig, if you had started a post on this topic called "Confused about inconsistent traffic numbers" or "Can someone explain these traffic stats?", you would have received helpful responses.  It's only human nature that people have acted defensively to the tone of your post.

      Say a member of your band had, unknown to you, done something "shifty". 

      If someone came up to you and started accusing him of dishonesty, you would react defensively to protect a member of your team, without even listening to the detail of the allegation.

      If that person came up to you expressing concern and dismay about a particular occurrence involving the band, and asking for your help in explaining it, you would listen carefully and might, in fact, realise that yes, that band member had done the wrong thing - and then you would take steps to remedy the situation.

      The HubPages forums have a family feeling and if you jump in using an accusatory or inflammatory tone, members of the family will leap to HP's defence.  You'll find the same thing happens on other sites, too, so I hope you take that into account if you do go elsewhere.

    4. Rochelle Frank profile image89
      Rochelle Frankposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      I often wonder at the  new people who come in here expecting things to work a certain way---
      I think all of us have had the questions that were initially asked.

      Admittedly, it can be confusing and frustrating at times.  After a while, with a little patience, things become clearer. I have a continually growing appreciation of the way things work around here. 

      It is not a pot of instant mashed potatoes. It takes a little sorting, peeling and tasting before it comes out just right. (A little reading and research helps a lot, too) but, there seems to be a consistent creative intelligence behind all of the workings.

        In case this sounds a little too religious-- there are some human errors, but the staff seems to be focused on dealing with these.
      =========

      OK--after reading some of the later posts, I can see I was late for the party.

  11. recraig2 profile image60
    recraig2posted 8 years ago

    I did not comment on anyONE being shifty, but the SERVICE being shifty and it is. I asked an honest question and have been barraged with a fight that is irrelevant. And with the shift toward religious preferences Mark has taken it completely off track. Thank you.

    I do not see Hub Pages, the company as people yet, because I do not know any of you. It is a service and as a service has given flat out impossible data. Yes, I signed up for Google Analytics early on. That begs the question though. If we cannot rely on the stats from Hub Pages then there really is something shifty, isn't there?


    Burying your head in the sand about it just lets the problem remain as an irritation. Are the numbers reliable or not? Do they actually mean anything or not? THESE are the questions.

    As for answering questions in order to address the issue, as you can see there are so many diversions by attacks over irrelevant issues that we cannot really get to the heart of it.

    Darkside, I have addressed other issues in a Hub Page, please refer to that. You'll know which one. It's obvious. As for whether Total means Total or not, I think it actually does mean Total, Mark. Of course maybe at Hub Pages Total means something other than Total. You've got me there.

    So pardon me for not answering those two questions, but the answers seemed rather obvious. I see now that the answer to Darkside's wasn't so obvious. Sorry for that Dark.

    In spite of the spitting and blabbering we're all doing here, I actually do appreciate that there is some saber rattling over this. I just hoped there wouldn't be the onslaught of irrelevant and sometimes personal (especially religious) attacks. That is what poisons a community. It is absence in the other places I contribute to, but I know in some places it thrives like a cancer. I hope not here.

  12. recraig2 profile image60
    recraig2posted 8 years ago

    Wow. I hope others can see this. The number is the number. It was not a database error. No one can tell clearly how the ranking is measured, which makes it irrelevant for the user. So why post it for us? The TOTAL of the hub pages views was 98 one evening and 91 the next morning. I don't need Google Analytics to tell me that is a mistake. If it was a database error then I am correct that there is something shifty at Hub Pages, in the database program. If it was a restoring from a backup then I am correct again that there was something shifty in that something happened and the users for whom the data is prepared and displayed were not informed of it. This is actually a clear example of 'shifty'. It implies no immoral wrongdoing on the part of people who work at Hub Pages, unless there was neglegence, but that's not really something we can discuss here.

    As for the religious deriding, Mark, if you have a problem with Christians and Christianity then I'm not the one who has the problem. You are. This as I pointed out is yet another irrelevant conversation without remorse.

    As for Eric, I will go where I please. If you don't like it I hope you don't leave. It's better to work things out in a community, which I am seeing very little of here. I have found some people to be quite intelligent and stable-minded though. Others are just, well, there are too many words for it to put here. I simply hope that those who merely attacked, like Eric, would take some time to reconsider and re-read with some grace.

    Now I see how speaking your mind among infantiles steals all your time over irrelevant mudslinging and trying to avoid it.

  13. gamergirl profile image61
    gamergirlposted 8 years ago

    Oy.

    Freaking.

    Vey.

    There's so much I could say, but honestly, if you wanted a real answer from Hubpages staff, you likely should've turned to the resource that's plastered all over the forums when people come here looking for technical, nitty gritty assistance.  That'd be the email address - team@hubpages.com.

    Also, it's very hypocritical of you to bemoan the antics of others in one post and then sink to the very mudslinging you were just a paragraph below bemoaning.

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/shifty

    For your reference, as I don't think the word means what you're implying.  There is likely no fraud occurring here, save for your attempt to make it seem like you're an innocent here when truly, there are none in this thread.

    Much as I love Mark, part of loving him as a friend means knowing that he is fallible, just as any of us are, and oh how he loves a good debate and giggle.  You, being new to these parts, will just have to get used to it and take it with a smile.

    As for the back and forth, the silly argument that you're perpetuating, it's useless.  The ONLY reason that your views numbers could hiccup like that is from a database error or some such problem.  There is no other explanation for it, and frankly upon reading your hub wherein you whine about anonymous downranking, your three hubs combined prior to said whine/rant only got 90-ish views total at the time you began this thread.  The scores on those hubs will rise and fall for a variety of reasons, some of them talked about in: http://hubpages.com/faq/

    Happy Holidays,

    Gamergirl.

  14. recraig2 profile image60
    recraig2posted 8 years ago

    Thanks Gamegirl, but you have done exactly what I said some few individuals are doing here as well. Reading what you want it to say, rather than trying to understand what is being said.

    You chose one of FOUR definitions for the word according to your desire to chastize me. Look again:
    2 a: given to deception, evasion, or fraud : tricky b: capable of evasive movement : elusive <a shifty boxer>
    3: indicative of a tricky nature

    If you read my opening with an OPEN mind to understand what I was trying to say you would have seen it was 2b or 3, not necessarily 2a, as you try to dictate. In fact, you did not make the statement so you do not have the say over WHAT I meant, unless it is delineated elsewhere. But you've made your intentions clear. Piss someone off just to laugh. That makes the world a great place to live in, doesn't it? Go ahead, attack, spit, blabber.

    I really would appreciate SOMEONE get back on topic with me.

  15. recraig2 profile image60
    recraig2posted 8 years ago

    Thanks for all of your participation. It was entertaining, though uninformative. A few of you turned this forum topic into a circus. You should be ashamed. The terms of the forum state that this is a place for a spirit of cooperation and assistance. Rather, I was met with hostility and assault. There were a fine few who were supportive, thanks all. As far as I'm concerned the issue was not addressed, but there were some vague attempts to explain it away, as in database errors. Another suggestion was to use Google Analytics to make sure HP is being accurate in their stats. If we have to do that then what is the purpose of having stats on HP? What can we do if there is a difference? Aha? I posted a problem in the stats and got jumped on, assaulted, mauled and probably would have been murdered if we were doing this in person. Wow! So much for assistance, explanations, accountability, etc...

    Btw, I'm not leaving. ;-) Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!! You're all too much fun! What would I have done the last day without you to provide me with a push? Cheers!

    1. darkside profile image80
      darksideposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      You really need to examine your actions before you deride people for their reaction.

      For instance, the very title of this thread: "Shifty dealings at Hub Pages - it's a game for children now" It doesn't get you off to a good start.

      You can argue your point of view on the usage of the word 'shifty' but it implies that something afoul is afoot. Try using the word 'shifty' in your next conversation with your mechanic, or electrician or plumber. But make sure you have the page bookmarked in your dictionary when you try and explain your interpretation of it, because it's hard to read average sized print with two black eyes.

      And it being a game for children?

      Your most interesting hub has accusations that people here are cowards!

      Most people come into the forum and ask how things work without coming across as a two year old having a temper tantrum.

      My suggestion to anyONE, anyWHERE at any FORUM is that if you're a newb, be humble. Ask nicely. Don't come across as an arrogant git.

      Now this may sound heavy handed, harsh or steeped in sarcasm, but take it in the context that me and you are sitting down having a coffee, talking straight, without raising our voices and without emotion.

      I've looked through your hubs, and you write good! There is no doubting your writing ability or intelligence. Just your frustration, which has quickly rubbed people the wrong way.

      I look forward to reading more hubs like this one. It's a shame to see your talent wasted in a thread like this when you could be entertaining and educating the masses.

  16. gamergirl profile image61
    gamergirlposted 8 years ago

    Any of the definitions can be considered without applying to your situation in the least bit.

    There's nothing cagey, collusive, conniving, contriving, crafty, crooked, cunning, devious, dishonest, dodging, duplicitous, elusive, equivocating, evasive, fly-by-night*, foxy, fraudulent, furtive, insidious, lying, mendacious, prevaricative, prevaricatory, roguish, scheming, shady, shrewd, shuffling, slick, slippery, sly, sneaky, treacherous, tricky, underhand, unhonest, unprincipled, untruthful, wily about the way the numbers you're seeing is working.

    Your other snide comments will go, for the most part, unanswered.  I hope you find a solution to whatever it is that has you all riled up and aiming that negativity and hypocritical upset on the community at large.

    1. countrywomen profile image59
      countrywomenposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      I couldn't resist this but I felt I just had a lesson in English vocabulary after a long time. Thanks gamergirl. lol

  17. gamergirl profile image61
    gamergirlposted 8 years ago

    ROFL You're welcome, CW.  Thesaurus.com is your friend. smile

    1. countrywomen profile image59
      countrywomenposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Now I know that you are a nice device to give wise advise. big_smile

  18. Misha profile image75
    Mishaposted 8 years ago

    People, tell me please, what is that attractive in talking to a jerk? This thread went to the second page already! yikes

  19. gamergirl profile image61
    gamergirlposted 8 years ago

    I don't know, but I keep talkin' to you Misha!  big_smile big_smile big_smile

    1. countrywomen profile image59
      countrywomenposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      If Misha is a "Jerk" then I like Jerks.lol

  20. Misha profile image75
    Mishaposted 8 years ago

    LOL You nailed me Charlotte lol

  21. Misha profile image75
    Mishaposted 8 years ago

    Awww, thank you CW *blush*

    1. countrywomen profile image59
      countrywomenposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Stop pretending I still see the golden glow on your face and no rosy cheeks...lol

      P.S: We dragging this to the third page now.big_smile

      1. Misha profile image75
        Mishaposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        You just can't see it under the thick layer of gold tongue

  22. gamergirl profile image61
    gamergirlposted 8 years ago

    You opened right up for it like a buffet on thanksgiving, Misha!  wink

    CW:   I love jerks.

    Just not perpetual jerks.

    Misha, Mark, heck even 'the one who shall remain unnamed' have stretches of time where they're not mean.  One can only hope that this recraig guy has his own stretches of awesome and positive time, and that maybe we'll see 'em someday.

  23. gamergirl profile image61
    gamergirlposted 8 years ago

    Yes but we've changed the overall attitude.  I'm having fun laughing here with Misha and you. smile

    1. countrywomen profile image59
      countrywomenposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      You know Misha rhymes with Disha (in hindi stands for direction) and the direction is positive now. lol

      1. Misha profile image75
        Mishaposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        Misha-Disha LOL

        K, I don't mind smile

        1. countrywomen profile image59
          countrywomenposted 8 years ago in reply to this

          Or you don't have a mind to mind which I don't have to remind. Btw I don't mean to be mean lol

          1. Misha profile image75
            Mishaposted 8 years ago in reply to this

            Angels don't have mind, and don't get offended, even if others mean mean tongue

            1. countrywomen profile image59
              countrywomenposted 8 years ago in reply to this

              Don't worry I will never demean or offend my guardian angel St.Misha lol

              1. agvulpes profile image88
                agvulpesposted 8 years ago in reply to this

                Excuse me CW (I am trying to be humble here, as someone has suggested) but my limited religious training brings to mind that a Saint is not an Angel. So perhaps we should be calling Misha "Arch Angel Misha". Or as we do here on HubPages abbreviate names, call him "AAMisha" do you see what I "mean" ( in my most humble manner).
                A penny for your thoughts? cool

                1. countrywomen profile image59
                  countrywomenposted 8 years ago in reply to this

                  Agvulpes- I am not talking to you (P.S: I still didn't get my box of Toblerone chocolates). Yes coming to Misha on that account anybody who is like a guardian to me is an angel and I thought the High Priest Mark Knowles bestowed on him St.Angel of course since my religious training hasn't been proper I lost the original Arch Angel Misha in translation. So now do we call him Arch Angel Misha or St.MISHA (P.S: AA abbreviation reminds people of something else although people are in high spirits at this time of the year but we don't want our angels to have those initials which some may even call blasphemy)  Btw stop being so stingy at least give me a dollar (Anyway what would I get for a penny these days) lol

                  1. agvulpes profile image88
                    agvulpesposted 8 years ago in reply to this

                    Oh Countrywomen, You want a box of Toblerone AND $1.00 . If that is what it takes make it $2.00. Did you not read what I said about chocolate? lol

  24. Misha profile image75
    Mishaposted 8 years ago

    Yep, exactly smile

  25. gamergirl profile image61
    gamergirlposted 8 years ago

    Gold from all the money he's earning by being everyone's first fan.. LOL

    there! three pages, but mostly 2 of it is all nice!

    1. Misha profile image75
      Mishaposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      I am not THAT fast, sometimes you beat me to it tongue

      1. countrywomen profile image59
        countrywomenposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        Misha- Why don't you fly with those wings when somebody is coming to beat you? big_smile

    2. countrywomen profile image59
      countrywomenposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Of course he deserves the gold the man with the golden heart that's why he is elevated to be the hubpages resident angel. Btw when he(angel) rushed in caused a reverse engineering to the  statement "For Fools rush in where Angels fear to tread" lol

  26. gamergirl profile image61
    gamergirlposted 8 years ago

    That's because I'm a HUBFREAK**!






    **-HubFreak is a collaborative copyright of Ryan Hupfer and Gamergirl.  More details are forthcoming.

  27. Mark Knowles profile image62
    Mark Knowlesposted 8 years ago

    Aw, man, this is no fun - everyone is being nice to each other. Anyone would think it is fsmas

    lol

  28. Misha profile image75
    Mishaposted 8 years ago

    L@@K, spammer! tongue

  29. RGraf profile image85
    RGrafposted 8 years ago

    Please accept this humble reply from a relative newbie herself. 

    The way you approach anything says a lot to others whether the message they get is the real thing or not.  When first entering any setting, humility has to reign until you have established yourself and gained credibility.  I'm in no way being critical with anyone, just making a point that I have learned.  The intent of your initial posting might have been a sincere question of how the scoring is done, but semantics have started wars.  The word shifty was probably not the best choice since it even got me a little defensive and I haven't been around that long.  The tone was very accusatory. Once again, might not have been meant to be, but it did come across that way and it takes quite a bit to offend me.  The other hubbers are trying to explain that to some degree they don't understand the scoring totally but that they were offended, too.  Their tones might have come across harsher than they meant (or not smile) just as yours did. 

    It might be wise to first send such an email to HubPages to get their advice (I did and got a response quickly and it explained perfectly what I was seeing).  When entering a forum, you are opening the door to the whole community and many kinds of responses because the community is comprised of many types of lovable people. 

    I'm not a good writer, but that is not why I joined HubPages.  I did it because I'm having fun which I think most people do with any money they earn as a side benefit.  I've made mistakes in comments.  I've made mistakes in hubs.  I'm learning from each and every one of them. 

    I mean these entire post lovingly and knowing that I know nothing. smile  Welcome to HubPages.

  30. Misha profile image75
    Mishaposted 8 years ago

    Hey-hey guys, you kinda lost me - what is that about AA? Being a non-resident alien, I have no fricking idea what you two are talking about - and heck, I am supposed to read the minds after all! big_smile

    1. countrywomen profile image59
      countrywomenposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      I informed and now you confirmed that you don't have a mind after all. Does A Anonymous ring the bell? lol

    2. agvulpes profile image88
      agvulpesposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Misha I was just pointing out that Angels  are not the same as Saints so you will have to change your avatar if you want to be a Saint. Perhaps you could have a Halo (god forbid).
      and if you want to be a really cool saint a nice flowing robe. cool

      1. countrywomen profile image59
        countrywomenposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        Now that you have mentioned this I am wondering who the next make over specialist is going to be. First we had Milla then Daizybee.... Or maybe our angel is happy living his angelic life instead of living like Saint big_smile big_smile big_smile

  31. Misha profile image75
    Mishaposted 8 years ago

    Oh yeah, you can't read other minds if you have one of your own big_smile

    So you are talking hubAholics Anonymous, this is what! OK, now I can pretend I read yours big_smile

    Or by the way I loved your pic by the sea he-he tongue

  32. Misha profile image75
    Mishaposted 8 years ago

    It does not really depend on me Ag. My terminal stupidity does not allow me to learn any graphic software, so I depend on others. This one has been done by Dayzeebee. If you make one for me, according to your strict standards, I will gladly wear it smile

    1. agvulpes profile image88
      agvulpesposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Ok misha  but I need an original picture to work with can you email one cool

      1. countrywomen profile image59
        countrywomenposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        I thought I would pitch in the new prayer for St.Misha lol lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyLjbMBpGDA

        1. agvulpes profile image88
          agvulpesposted 8 years ago in reply to this

          Nice one countywomen, I hope by the name of the song that there is not more than one of Misha?:LOL:

        2. Misha profile image75
          Mishaposted 8 years ago in reply to this

          That was a nice one CW-girl, thank you smile

          Ag, pick a one from here http://hubpages.com/hub/Mishas-Coach-Mo … n-HubPages

          or here http://www.funandsafedriving.com/

          or here http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/MishaA

          if you really want to make it smile

  33. profile image0
    Leta Sposted 8 years ago

    Naw, just call Misha "Angel Face," all.   It fits, smile

  34. recraig2 profile image60
    recraig2posted 8 years ago

    Really? Human error? Are you drunk? The staff refuses to reveal to us exactly WHAT the numbers represent and everyone so far has admitted that they just learned to ignore these numbers and you call THAT human error? Why are we shown these numbers? To piss off newcomers? When a newcomer is pissed off from reading so many so-called help pages and Hub Pages claiming to clarify the numbers and there are only explanations that it is mostly arbitrary, some members of HP jump all over him? This is human error?

    Sorry, but I could not word it another way when I see something operating wrongly in a system intended to help a community. And if someone came accusing a member of my band of anything shifty, which is not what I did here by the way to HP, but if they had I would take it gravely seriously. Other people rely on this person's work to be honest. They are a public servant in the private sector.

    I accused the Hub Pages system of BEING shifty, not any of the workers. Many people here have read that into it. Check for yourself or propagate your sickness.

    Btw, I am and have been a member of many communities online over the years. More often when I have had more time. The answer is NO this is not common among the communities. You do this because you think the person you attack cannot track you down and confront you in person. Keep doing what you're doing. When some younger person kills themselves because of you, the father will track your ass down and punish you in ways you never imagined. Boy will YOU be surprised! Hasta la vista baby!

    1. RGraf profile image85
      RGrafposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      To speak to Rochelle that way is one of the most immature things I have seen.  She was trying to be helpful but you threw it back at her.  That was uncalled for.  I don't usually get upset and show it in the forums, but downright rudeness and hatefulness to someone who was only trying to help is beyond any excuse out there.  It might be better for HubPages if you did seek writing somewhere else.  We don't want you to be so miserable here after all.

    2. Mark Knowles profile image62
      Mark Knowlesposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      lol

      And you wonder why I have a thing about servants of christ?

      And I am the one with the problem? lol

      I have a suggestion -

      Get some therapy. Working your aggression issues out on total strangers is an unhealthy way of dealing with the cognitive dissonance bought about by holding an irrational belief system.

      Happy fsmas to you and yours. big_smile

  35. Eric Graudins profile image60
    Eric Graudinsposted 8 years ago

    Geeez Mark,
    Don't feed the troll.

    Glad to see you've found your way to the church of the FSM. lol

    1. Mark Knowles profile image62
      Mark Knowlesposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      lol

      Yeah, I know, but I am in a giving mood. I just landed my first CPM advertiser big_smile

    2. Mark Knowles profile image62
      Mark Knowlesposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      You just had to overdo the avatar didn't you? big_smile

      Typical of people from wherever is it you come from.......

      1. Eric Graudins profile image60
        Eric Graudinsposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        I submit in my defence
        http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/10126?page=3#post110940

        And at least I don't look like Shirley Temple on a bad hair day lol lol lol
        ZuzeeBee stiched the pair of you up REAL well !

        Eric G. cool

  36. Misha profile image75
    Mishaposted 8 years ago

    Love your new avatar Eric big_smile

  37. ripplemaker profile image90
    ripplemakerposted 8 years ago

    A cherubim, an angel and a saint all in a row!  lol  You guys are really funny and cute too!

    1. VioletSun profile image70
      VioletSunposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      I must agree with you, Ripplemaker!  lol

  38. gamergirl profile image61
    gamergirlposted 8 years ago

    *flaps her wings*

    1. VioletSun profile image70
      VioletSunposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Oh, LOL!!! I didn't realize your avatar also has wings until you flapped them!  lol You are more angelic than the trio of men,  so your angelic presence is more subtle, like real life angels. big_smile

      1. countrywomen profile image59
        countrywomenposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        Good Job Gamer Girl. It's about time we had a woman angel (right to equality you know). Btw now Misha has been elevated to be a Saint from his previous Angelic life lol

  39. ripplemaker profile image90
    ripplemakerposted 8 years ago

    tee hee gamergirl lines up too lol a red-haired angel ready for the game of life! big_smile

  40. gamergirl profile image61
    gamergirlposted 8 years ago

    Alright, new avatar, designed by me! Let's put some reality and balance in with this angelic forum meanies theme.  big_smile

  41. Misha profile image75
    Mishaposted 8 years ago

    ROFLMAO! You got me all cracked up!

  42. rockinjoe profile image83
    rockinjoeposted 8 years ago

    Looks like it's the Sinners vs. Saints. yikes

  43. profile image60
    checabearposted 8 years ago

    how does one make money from writing on these forums? i don't really know what all the discussion is about. Please clue me in. i am a newbie. thanks

  44. imadork profile image79
    imadorkposted 8 years ago

    Recraig:  what you are experiencing now are attacks by what I call "Fanatical Hubbers".  If you criticize Hubpages or anything having to do with Hubpages in the forums then the fanatics come out from under whatever rock they hide in and vehemently attack you. 

    Trust me...I learned this the hard way.  The forums, in my opinion, are crawling with vermin that have no desire to help anyone but instead want to police the chatter in a Gestapo-like manner.  These fanatical Hubbers swarm on the critical thinker and "pick-on" you in a very juvenile-like way. 

    So Recraig, if you have a critical question regarding Hubpages, I implore you to stay away from the forums and just write the best hubs you can.

    1. Misha profile image75
      Mishaposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Tell me who is your friend and I'll tell you who you are lol

      1. imadork profile image79
        imadorkposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        You see, Misha, I have these these things called "actual human being friends" not the "virtual friends" that you have.  I don't spend the majority of my day "talking" to people I don't even truly know.  So please Misha, get off your virtual high horse.

  45. gamergirl profile image61
    gamergirlposted 8 years ago

    Hey dude, that was a touch uncalled for.  Misha is a grown man with a family and I'm sure he's got plenty of friends outside of Hubpages.  Just because he, like a good number of other awesome folks on here, chats a lot on the forums, doesn't mean he's friendless outside the site.  Unless you're stalking him in the real world, you've got no clue what his life is like, so comments like that are really unnecessary.

 
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