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Hubs and Idle Status

  1. NateB11 profile image92
    NateB11posted 4 years ago

    Is it possible that, even when a Hub is in Idle Status, it could still be found on the Web and get views and thereby come out of Idle Status? I ask this because I was searching the Web on a subject and accidentally found a Hub and when I checked the Hubber's profile, this particular Hub was not there; so I assumed it must be in Idle Status, but I still found it on the Web.

    1. Ms Dee profile image86
      Ms Deeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      The Learning Center explains that the idled hub will still be out there on the web for up to another couple weeks. So, your assumption seems to have merit. hmm

      1. NateB11 profile image92
        NateB11posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Thanks, I did not know that.

  2. wilderness profile image96
    wildernessposted 4 years ago

    If I'm understanding correctly, you went looking for an unpublished hub.

    When a hub is unpublished for any reason, the search engine will still have it indexed and cached for some time, and it will still show up in searches.  Clicking the link however, results in an error as it is no longer there.

    Same thing, in a way, applies to not finding on the profile.  It is still indexed, although that will disappear through time, but although it is still published a sleeping hub won't show on the profile.  Clicking the link will produce the hub whether sleeping or not, though, so conceivably it could gain traffic from somewhere and "awaken".

    1. NateB11 profile image92
      NateB11posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      What happened was I stumbled on the Hub on Google search. I read the Hub, it was still viewable, but when I went to the Hubber's profile, it wasn't on his profile.

      1. mistyhorizon2003 profile image89
        mistyhorizon2003posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Probably the cached version as these can still be read and will state 'cached' on the search engine result. This version too will vanish after a week or three when Google completely de-indexes the unpublished article.

      2. profile image0
        ateinposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        IMO .
        The hub was crawled and indexed by Google . Google included it in it's search results .
        After that, for some reasons , the Hub slid into the idle status .
        But after the hub slid into the idle status , Google did not visit the hub, so the Hub is still visible in the Google search results even though the hub , being in the idle status, is not visible on the Hubbers profile. Google has no idea that the hub is in the idle status so it is still visible in the Google search results .

        I could be wrong . Please correct me if I am wrong .

        1. NateB11 profile image92
          NateB11posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          That makes sense to me. It takes time and it's unpredictable (seems to me) when Google crawls or when algorithms start to affect content. So, it is reasonable to think that the idle hub just hasn't been read yet, but it's still in the search engine results.

  3. SmartAndFun profile image91
    SmartAndFunposted 4 years ago

    Can views really awaken an idled hub? I thought the only way to take a hub from idled to featured is for the author to edit it.

    1. NateB11 profile image92
      NateB11posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      I'm not sure, but I thought since a lack of page views puts them to sleep, maybe views could wake them back up. That's what I'm wondering and asking.

      1. mistyhorizon2003 profile image89
        mistyhorizon2003posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        As I am given to understand no amount of views will reawaken an idled hub. The only thing that will awaken it is an edit of some kind, no matter how small (I usually delete a picture or change the title slightly and this works). After 24 hours the hub will 'wake up' again, and then it will depend on further traffic to keep it 'awake'.

  4. Aficionada profile image93
    Aficionadaposted 4 years ago

    I have had a sort of Twilight Zone experience related to the topic of this forum thread.

    A couple of days ago I am pretty sure I had two more Idle Hubs than I have today. I did edit one of them, it went pending, and it is now featured. But I don't know what happened to the other one. I don't even remember which one it was.

    I know that I've been pretty distracted from HP recently (new grandbaby and all smile !) so there is the chance that I miscounted. But I really was pretty certain that there were two more than there are today, just a day or two or three ago.

    I've tried to check by sorting by date of last edit and by number of views to see if I could remember which other Hub may have been Idle, but I haven't figured it out yet. The point, though, is that I think I have had a Hub that came out of Idle status without any action on my part - but I can't say for certain that it is true.

    1. NateB11 profile image92
      NateB11posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Yes, I'm pretty sure I had that happen before, and that's why I was thinking that some amount of traffic increase can bring it out of Idle status.

  5. Aficionada profile image93
    Aficionadaposted 4 years ago

    I looked again, and I was able to remember which Hub it was. I know for certain that it has been Idle for a while.  In the past 7 days, it had two views.  There is a possibility that another Hubber linked to it recently, although I'm not completely sure about that.

    So, I agree with you, Nate, that there seems to be something that will bring an Idle Hub back into Featured status. Maybe it is organic traffic, but if that's the case, the bar may be pretty low.

    1. mistyhorizon2003 profile image89
      mistyhorizon2003posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      It can still get views even in Idle status. This is because any backlinks that have been put out there on the World Wide Web, either by you or by other people, Facebook shares etc are still live links and will work. I am pretty certain that from other threads on this topic that only an edit can bring a hub out of Idle status, and this is because HP are working on the principle that Google like 'Fresh' content. Problem is that from what I am told you have to virtually rewrite the entire Hub before Google will treat it as 'fresh content', therefore the Idle status being so easy to get out of makes the concept virtually meaningless.

      1. Aficionada profile image93
        Aficionadaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        This is actually what was being discussed here. The Hub I mentioned is one that was in Idle status, and it came out of Idle. But I did not edit it. The theory was that perhaps those new views may have played an important role in bringing the Hub out of Idle.

        1. NateB11 profile image92
          NateB11posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Yes, it stands to reason: If the Hub has not been edited but comes out of Idle Status, then something made it "wake up". It's something else, traffic is the possibility that came to mind: Seems the most logical theory, the thing that would have a direct and good effect on a Hub.

        2. mistyhorizon2003 profile image89
          mistyhorizon2003posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          I was basing my comment on your earlier post where you said you couldn't say for sure if you had edited it or not quote:

          "The point, though, is that I think I have had a Hub that came out of Idle status without any action on my part - but I can't say for certain that it is true."

          I suspect you probably did make a minor edit, (even correcting a typo would do it), but you should be able to tell for sure by making sure you find the correct hub in your account list, and then checking the date it shows for its 'changed' column. If the date coincides with the time it went 'live' again then you did make an edit and were correct when you voiced your uncertainty in your earlier comment.

          Quote from the FAQ section of HP regarding getting hubs out of Idle status:

          "To pull a Hub out of an Idle state, update it by incorporating feedback from friends and fans, editing it to catch any remaining typos, and adding fresh text, photos, and other media. After being edited, an Idle Hub's status will be Pending for up to 24 hours as HubPages reevaluates its status. Once that period has passed, it will return to a new resting state: either Featured or Idle.

          Though well-composed seasonal Hubs should not become Idle, it is possible that Hubs getting very little traffic in the off season will fall into this state. To get Idle seasonal Hubs back in the saddle, edit them about a month before their peak season arrives. Their status will be re-evaluated and in most cases they will once again be Featured."

          1. Aficionada profile image93
            Aficionadaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            After rereading all of my responses, I see that I did not state clearly what I thought I had said.

            In my first post, I knew that one of those two Hubs had been edited and had come out of Idle status, but I was not certain about the other one, because I didn't even remember which Hub it was at that time.

            In my second post, I had remembered which other indirectly mentioned Hub (the "uncertain one") had been Idle, and I mentioned it and described two possible reasons why it might have come out of Idle status. But, in that post I did not state explicitly that I had not edited it.

            In my third post, I did mention that I had not edited the Hub. I didn't spell out that I had already checked the last edited/changed date as you suggested (and that date turned out to be 10/16/11 !!!), but I actually had checked the date before I posted that I had not edited the Hub.

            There are several possible explanations for this puzzle, including the possibility that the Hub had been labeled as Idle by mistake. (I don't think that's the case, because I agreed with the Idle status.) But I don't know how it would have had the label removed, because I never communicated with HP about it. I honestly don't know how it came out of Idle status. I'm happy to hear other theories.

            The only theories I can suggest, based on what I know about the Hub, are that (a) a small number of views brought it out of Idle; and (b) someone may have linked to it. I'm basing that theory on an assumption I have made based on a comment I saw elsewhere.  If someone will remind me of how to check on existing links (and the dates they were added), I can investigate that theory.

            1. NateB11 profile image92
              NateB11posted 4 years ago in reply to this

              The way I check who has linked to my Hubs is through Webmaster Tools; from your homepage on Webmaster Tools, you click on your Hubpages site; page comes up, on left there's a link "Traffic"; click on that, on drop down selections, link says "links to your site"; click on that; there will be choices, I pick "most linked content", click on "more" underneath it; it shows list of hubs that are linked to other sites; click on the hub and it will show who linked to it.

              1. Aficionada profile image93
                Aficionadaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Thanks, Nate, that was very informative and helpful!

            2. mistyhorizon2003 profile image89
              mistyhorizon2003posted 4 years ago in reply to this

              I honestly do not understand this then. It goes against everything HP has said and you appear to be the first person to voice having experienced this. Might be worth messaging team@hubpages.com for clarification as to how this can have happened. Certainly it would be very unfortunate if other hubbers fall into the trap of thinking a few views created by FB shares etc are all it will take to come out of idle mode when in reality this is not going to make a difference without an edit taking place, (sounds like you experienced a glitch in the system).

              1. Aficionada profile image93
                Aficionadaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                A glitch is very likely the correct explanation. I will contact staff to see if they can shed any other light on this.

                I did check for links in Webmaster Tools, as NateB suggested, and I suppose I am laughing at myself. Out of all my hubs and questions, the Hub in question is one of only a little handful that have no links.

                If I learn anything after contacting staff, I'll post it here. That may take a few days.

                1. mistyhorizon2003 profile image89
                  mistyhorizon2003posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  I would love to hear what they come back with Aficionada as I too am curious as to how what you experienced could possibly have happened unless it was an error or glitch of some description. Do let us know smile

 
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