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Dear Simone, an official question for you!

  1. Randy Godwin profile image94
    Randy Godwinposted 3 years ago

    I am venturing out into the forums on a rare occasion to personally ask a question I haven't seen anyone from HP answer to anyone's satisfaction to this point.  I've just noticed a hubber which only joined around 14 hours ago who had a hub published only 30 minutes or so ago.  See it for yourself on the "latest hubs.  How is this not an insult to myself and many other Hubbers who have never had any problem getting published but have to wait up to 24 hours or more now.

    I'd like a concise answer and if you don't know, then find the heck out.  Ask Paul E. if you don't know  This is an outrage for me to have to wait so long when a newbie gets almost instantly published.  This is an insult and very disrespectful to many veterans of this site and we deserve better from you guys.  No spin please!

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      summerberrieposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Bump. I'm waiting on the answer, too.

      1. DzyMsLizzy profile image93
        DzyMsLizzyposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Agreed!  Another bump!

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      Sophia Angeliqueposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Throughout the ages, there has been a common flaw in human character.

      It is this.

      Follow the person who is most likely to feed one's stomach, ego, or status. In this case, it is the owners of HP, the management of HP, and the people who follow the leader for what they can get out of the leader.

      When the leader and management errs, those who have integrity will point this out. Those who simply want to ensure that leadership keeps feeding their stomachs and their egos, will protect and defend that leadership at any cost.

      Why? Because if they don't, they don't have the skils and brains to do it on their own. So they are depending on being in the good books of leadership.

      Ergo, if you've worked your butt off at Hubpages and produced good work, you probably are a hard worker and you probably have brains and skills. However, if leadership and/or management let you down, they are not going to want this known. So they are going to protect themselves by making you and your work invisible.

      And all those little people? Well, they're going to be defending the owners and the management. That's where their bread is buttered.

      Anyway, Randy, that's my take on it.

      As for the rest of you, as you all know by now, I have removed all my hubs and am just waiting for final payment at the end of Febrruary, and then I'm out of here...

    3. Matthew Meyer profile image77
      Matthew Meyerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Let me clarify some points.
      It takes from 12 to 24 hours to be featured or longer if edited during that time.

      What is shown on the latest Hubs page is when the Hub was published, not when it was featured (the text indicates "published X hours ago").  However, only featured Hubs will appear on that page.

      1. SimeyC profile image90
        SimeyCposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Matthew I think the main bone of contention wasn't the fact that it was featured, it's more of the fact that many of us experience long delays in being featured while it is perceived that some new members get featured very quickly.

        1. Randy Godwin profile image94
          Randy Godwinposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Do you understand Matthew's post, Simey?

          1. SimeyC profile image90
            SimeyCposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            I think so!

            It will take between 12 to 24 hours to get featured (assuming you don't edit the hub in between) - when it is featured it appears on the 'latest hub page' with a message saying it was 'publsihed X hours ago'.

            So if it took your hub 24 hours to get featured it would say 'published 24 hours ago' when it first appears on the 'list' rather than 'featured 2 minutes ago'.

            So what I take away from this is that if the list showed your hub as being published 24 hours ago it doesn't necessarily mean it took 24 hours to be featured - however, I suspect that you based your 24 hours on the time the hub was not featured....

            1. MelissaBarrett profile image62
              MelissaBarrettposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              To clarify... Are we talking the feed, the personal latest hub page, or the obscure latest hub page that no one ever visits?

              1. IzzyM profile image86
                IzzyMposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                hubpages.com/hubs/latest

                It's the main site feed (and not some obscure feed), and easy to find. Just remember to put hubs/latest after the site url.
                And loads of people visit it smile

                1. MelissaBarrett profile image62
                  MelissaBarrettposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Sorry Izzy, I didn't see this until after I posted mine.

                  I used to go to it when it was more predominately featured.  I don't anymore.  Not saying it has no value just saying it is pretty difficult to find so I doubted many people outside the site use it.

              2. aa lite profile image92
                aa liteposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                As I understand it, we are talking about http://hubpages.com/hubs/latest/

                1. MelissaBarrett profile image62
                  MelissaBarrettposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Ah...  That would be the one that -I feel- is obscure.  Does anybody outside of the hp writers actually go there?

                  1. aa lite profile image92
                    aa liteposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    I don't think appearing on that page, whether it is obscure or not, is the main issue, appearing on that page is a sign that your hub is featured.  Obviously if your hub is featured 30 minutes after you've published it, it is better than if it is featured 24 hours after you've published it.

                    Although tbh the "pending" period was really annoying to me when it interfered with Google indexing.  Sometimes a hub would not be indexed for weeks after getting published which was a major pain.  HP do seem to have sorted that out (at least for me) so I don't have major issues with waiting 24hours to be featured.

            2. Randy Godwin profile image94
              Randy Godwinposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              When my hub appears on the "latest hubs" it may be many pages back into the listed hubs with the time published as 22 hours ago.  When the newbie's appeared it was on the first page near the top and said "published 31 minutes ago.  This was right beneath several hubbers who get instantly featured often.  So I assumed it was instantly featured as well.  Try publishing a hub and check out when it appears on the latest hub page and how far back it appears once featured.

      2. kathleenkat profile image89
        kathleenkatposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Ooh. I feel slightly proud that my initial post was correct.

      3. aa lite profile image92
        aa liteposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        So according to Randy's post, this new hubber's hub was seen on the latest hubs page (therefore featured) only 30 minutes after it was published.

        So how does that fit in with the 12-24 hours needed to be featured?

      4. Randy Godwin profile image94
        Randy Godwinposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        So why was this one listed as published 31 minutes ago on the first page when mine didn't appear until after 22 hours later?  So are those which state they were published 10 minutes ago by those we know get instant featuring not featured either?  I do know the one published by the newbie did not have the "no index" tag on it.

        And why pray tell was copied hub allowed in the first place?

      5. Randy Godwin profile image94
        Randy Godwinposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Say what?

        1. Marcy Goodfleisch profile image93
          Marcy Goodfleischposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          +1 on Say what?  Are we hearing that everything on the Latest Hubs feed is featured before appearing there? If so - Randy's OP raises very good issues.  Can you clarify?

          1. Randy Godwin profile image94
            Randy Godwinposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            A very confusing post by Matthew in my opinion.  He seems to contradict himself in this post, or is it just me?

            1. aa lite profile image92
              aa liteposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              No, I understand it to mean that if you see a hub on the "latest" page that says it's been published 30 minutes ago, it means it took less than 30 minutes to get featured (or bypassed the QAP altogether).

              He definitely says that hubs on that page are featured.  Presumably you need to hit the "publish" button for your hub to enter the QAP.

            2. Marcy Goodfleisch profile image93
              Marcy Goodfleischposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              It's confusing to me, too - apparently, Simey interprets it as written (a hub listed in Latest is featured). Which means your original question was on-target.  I think.

              While I'm at it, I'm sorely offended (crushed, even) to be lumped in the group you say you don't care about. Brokenhearted here.

              1. Randy Godwin profile image94
                Randy Godwinposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                I am indeed sorry you felt you needed such coaching, Marcy, but that isn't the point.  Any sort of title on a content farm always causes trouble.  So has the extra mentoring really increased your traffic that much, or can you tell thus far?

                Perhaps you need to read the "Elite" thread where all of the then designated ones jumped all over me and I was given an "accidental" ban because of it.  Most of them claimed the name wasn't important at the time, but when they changed the name to "greeters" most dropped out.  Duh!  lol  Some of the worst writers on here were called "elite."  Another word which seems to have different meaning here.

                No, I don't dislike the people in the AP, merely the real reason for the program.

      6. IzzyM profile image86
        IzzyMposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Who are you clarifying those points to?

        We know this feed only carries featured hubs. It also shows their approximate  time of publication.
        So if a hub appears on that feed saying 7 minutes ago, then it was published 7 minutes ago and is already featured.
        So, it takes some hubs 12 to 24 hours to become featured. They are shown by having a publication time 12 hours or longer ago.

        The  point is, why are long established hubbers who do not write substandard work being made to wait 12 - 24 hours, while some newbie in off the street gets instant featuring immediately, regardless of quality?

        1. MelissaBarrett profile image62
          MelissaBarrettposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          OMG, we're talking about the feed?

          I've had hubs show up on the feed that were still in QAP.  They weren't "featured" on my page but they were in the feed.  They were still pending for hours after that in my account.

  2. kathleenkat profile image89
    kathleenkatposted 3 years ago

    I'm confused...I thought that Hubs could be "published" instantly, but had to wait to be "featured" for 24 hours.

    Is the fact that it's showing up in Randy's feed mean it's featured on the site? Or is there some algorithm putting it on Randy's feed, based on factors such as Randy's interests, what he has read in the past, etc...

    I, too, am curious for an answer.

    1. Randy Godwin profile image94
      Randy Godwinposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Search on the site for "latest hubs," Kathleen.  The time a hub becomes featured is listed.  A newbie of less than a day with--with copied content no less--was instantly featured while my latest hub took 24 hours.  there is no excuse for this and shows how terrible the new program really is.  It's a joke and should not be taken seriously.  It's useless as an indicator of quality and anyone with a lick of sense can see this.  What a frickin' mess!  Where's a staffer?

      1. wilderness profile image97
        wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        If I'm doing it right (a big IF) that hub carries a "nofollow" tag (rel="nofollow" - it is not featured.

        Do you know how to check for that?

        1. IzzyM profile image86
          IzzyMposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          The only nofollow on the hub in question is on the link the hub provides to the site it intends to promote, but that is because of the low authorscore.

        2. janderson99 profile image85
          janderson99posted 3 years ago in reply to this

          search for "noindex" in the source - Idled hub have this tag.

          1. wilderness profile image97
            wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Yep - that's why it was a great big IF.  I had it wrong.

  3. janderson99 profile image85
    janderson99posted 3 years ago

    There are a group of HP 'pets' who bypass pending. There is an old thread about it that I will try to track down. Presumably they get a QAP of 9-9-9.
    http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/105644

    There is a whole stack of them !!!!!!

  4. Randy Godwin profile image94
    Randy Godwinposted 3 years ago

    But one who has only joined 14 hours ago and has a copied hub instantly featured is simply disgusting to me and an insult to all of us.  I think an apology is definitely called for in this case.  Hell will freeze over when that happens, of course.

    1. Shanna11 profile image89
      Shanna11posted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Simply disgusting is four month old milk left out on your counter or a nest of cockroaches inside of your pillow.

      I support voicing complaints, but doing so without overreacting or exaggeration. I would imagine you'd be more likely to get an answer that way.

      1. Randy Godwin profile image94
        Randy Godwinposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Please list my exaggerations then Missy.  I'll be glad to wait.  smile

        1. Shanna11 profile image89
          Shanna11posted 3 years ago in reply to this

          "Simply Disgusting" would be the first. Out of all the truly disgusting things in life.... I just feel it's an over exaggeration born out of anger in the heat of the moment.

          "Insult to all of us"-- I'm not insulted personally. I hardly care. I have other more important things to worry about. I believe you can only be offended if you choose to be offended. Please don't speak for me and others with such blanket statements.

          1. Randy Godwin profile image94
            Randy Godwinposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            You can freely offer your opinion as I do mine.  You are one of many who have not been here very long and choose to cheer lead for the site.  I've always taken this into consideration when I read such opinions by those who haven't seen as much as other of us veterans here.  It does make a difference when one has dealt with the minions before, believe it or not.  I'll give your opinion the respect it deserves by the experience you have here.  I only ask for the same.

            1. Shanna11 profile image89
              Shanna11posted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Fair enough. Although I really don't do that much cheerleading. I just see HP as a business, run by humans with feelings that aren't going to be prone to work with you and discuss issues with you when you're overly aggressive.

              1. Randy Godwin profile image94
                Randy Godwinposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                HP has never worked with me to answer my queries before, Shanna.  Believe me I have emailed them personally about problems here.  They are too frightened to even use their real names in our conversations and have always failed to answer my queries.

                1. Shanna11 profile image89
                  Shanna11posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Maybe that's a hint that you should change your approach? I dunno, I'd be a little nervous to interact with you if your anger was directed directly at me. Put yourself in their shoes.

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                    summerberrieposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Why are you here? To reprimand fellow hubbers. It does not even seem you are aware of the topic being discussed? Nothing you have said has added to the OP question.

            2. SimeyC profile image90
              SimeyCposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Randy - when it comes down to it, we are all on the same side. I have been here as long as you - and I've seen the ups and downs. I haven't experienced as huge a loss as you have but I have seen a fair amount of revenue slip away as well as periods where traffic disappeared.

              Do I blame HP? No - do I blame Google? No - I understand that the internet is not a stable place and I've always understood that writing (in any format) is always going to be subject to whims and changes.

              Do I believe HP always does the right thing? - no - I've seen many mistakes, as you have. I do however believe they are trying to rectify things and I do see some improvements. Maybe not as quickly as I'd like...but there are some good signs.

              Is the QAP a good thing? - I do not know - it's really not been around long enough for the true impact to be seen - you may be totally right and it should be discarded - but I feel it should at least run six months to a year before an objective decision can be made.

              In any discussion there are always going to be disagreements - and that is actually healthy.

              So what am I saying - your question was a valid one - and I think if it had simply been asked in a different way then most people would be on board with you....and with that I have to go to be - got to go to my real job in a few hours!

  5. IzzyM profile image86
    IzzyMposted 3 years ago

    http://hubpages.com/hubs/latest/

    I can see the plumbing hub in question, and yes it is copied content. Well done, HP, you know how to spot 'quality'.

    1. wilderness profile image97
      wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Sure is, and each copy carries the same link to rotorooter, disguised as a textual link for information.

      Wonder if the QAP will catch it?

      1. janderson99 profile image85
        janderson99posted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Its featured  - noindex tag is absent!!  Same for the others. CRqaP.

        1. wilderness profile image97
          wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          You're right - thought I saw it there in the source, but had it wrong.

    2. worst-of-hp profile image59
      worst-of-hpposted 3 years ago in reply to this

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      1. Randy Godwin profile image94
        Randy Godwinposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        This has always been a BS excuse too.  Ask for details if you want to get the runaround from staff.  Perhaps if I wore a big hat....

  6. Marcy Goodfleisch profile image93
    Marcy Goodfleischposted 3 years ago

    It's Sunday night - so maybe the staff who would handle that sort of question are not here.

    Randy - do you think there could be a different 'featuring' mechanism for internal views on the stream of latest hubs compared to  being visible to Google, or featured in the list of topics on this site?

    1. Randy Godwin profile image94
      Randy Godwinposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Hubs don't appear on the "latest hubs" until featured, Marcy.  I know this because when mine do finally appear--around 20 or so hours after being published for my amateur ass--they suddenly show up many pages into the listing.  Try it yourself if you don't believe me.  Notice some favored Hubbers show up instantly while others are delayed for hours.

      This prevents those delayed from ever being seen by those who may share or link to them and thus help gain backlinks and readers.  I will certainly wait on someone with the answers till tomorrow and can't wait for the usual spin.

  7. GinnyLee profile image95
    GinnyLeeposted 3 years ago

    Interesting.  There is another one by householdbudget - the account is 15 hours old and the hub is 14 hours old.  I wonder if there is a change in the review process?

    1. Randy Godwin profile image94
      Randy Godwinposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      The example I used was by a member only 14 hours old and was featured only 30 minutes or so after being published.  And copied at that.  If this doesn't show how terribly designed the program we depend on is then I don't know what will.  They should junk the entire program as it is no doubt a failure as this example shows. 

      And by the way, this happens on a daily basis but I've finally gotten fed up with the ludicrous excuses given by staff.  It is to everyone's benefit to protest this stupid program now and not  wait for it to go on any longer.  Enough damage has been done already.

  8. aa lite profile image92
    aa liteposted 3 years ago

    Does this place not use copyscape or something like it to check for copied material?  There is so much reliance on human raters, but many of the most offensive problems could be eliminated with some simple software and algorithms.

    1. IzzyM profile image86
      IzzyMposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      It would seem that yes they do, but they only apply it to some hubbers, some of the time.
      There is another new hubber who has made the mistake of posting on the forums several times recently in extremely broken English, prompting me to go look at his/her hubs.
      All of them are copied content, and I have reported this to HP through the proper channels, including links to the originals.
      This hubber is still here with same hubs intact.

      1. Randy Godwin profile image94
        Randy Godwinposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        How much more of this can we stand?  The site is full of junk and this is simply an example of the mismanagement which has almost destroyed the site.  I wish the stockholders could see the way this place is being run into the ground.

      2. Marcy Goodfleisch profile image93
        Marcy Goodfleischposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        If it's the Hubber I'm thinking of, I reported their hubs, too.  And the tip-off was the broken English in the forum posts - as you said.  I haven't checked today, but the other times I checked, they were still there.

    2. EmpressFelicity profile image83
      EmpressFelicityposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      You would think they'd have thought of this, wouldn't you? But apparently not. roll

  9. SimeyC profile image90
    SimeyCposted 3 years ago

    Is it possible that these are hubs created by staff to test to see if MTURK workers are doing there job correctly? I know they had other 'poor quality' hubs deliberately created....

    1. IzzyM profile image86
      IzzyMposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      It won't be the account Randy mentioned, because that one by-passed the Mturk squad, but I don't know about the one I mentioned, as he was here about 30 hours when I noticed him (or her).

      How do you know they had poor hubs deliberately created? (though I'm not surprised).

      1. SimeyC profile image90
        SimeyCposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Because when a poor hub was found a few weeks (months?) ago, someone made a forum notice about it and a staff member noted that sometimes HP lets poor quality hubs through to check to see if they get picked up in the MTURK process - perhaps a proportion of new hubbers are let through for testing purposes...

        ....it may not be the case, but that's the only reason I can see something like this happening unless there is a serious bug in the code!

        1. Randy Godwin profile image94
          Randy Godwinposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          And you believed them?  lol!  No wonder they get away with so much BS if people are so gullible as to think this.  This system sucks and no use making excuses for it.  this happens all of the time and I've been watching it for quite a while.  So how does a 14 hour rookie get published instantly, Simey?  And why do you suppose HP has made the "latest hubs" so hard for the newbies to find.  DUH!  lol!

          1. SimeyC profile image90
            SimeyCposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Randy - not sure why you would insult me for no reason. I was pointing out a plausible possibility - I didn't give an opinion whether I believed them or not. Simply insulting someone because they don't jump on your band-wagon is inane.

            Is there a problem with the system - yes - is it malicious, I have no idea - nor do you. If you want a proper discussion try and discuss objectively without insulting others....

      2. MelissaBarrett profile image62
        MelissaBarrettposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        They do. 

        I don't think I'm giving away any trade secrets either.  Knowing they are there doesn't really enable anyone to game the system either because they are poorly created at different levels of poor creation so we have to rate them carefully anyway.

        Plus the fact that we know they are there makes it so we really can't just scan hubs, we have to read them.

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        jenuboukaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        I had to comment on this one......To allow poor published articles on a site that is deemed to only have the best writers is a really bad idea. Doesn't that kind of thing bring down the the site as a whole. This site and its creators and employees (I would hope) are more intelligent than that to find a way to grade hubs.

        1. Randy Godwin profile image94
          Randy Godwinposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Thanks for your interest, jenubouka.  And for not killing the messenger as others seem to want to do.  We should all be very concerned when copied content is immediately featured by this flawed system.  But apparently some are not very concerned with anything but their own little tags.

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            jenuboukaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            I commend you Randy for taking a stand, and calling it out. I think for those who have put a lot of time and effort, rolled with the punches of random and beta changes have a right to get a straight answer. Not a cheeky "doing everything we can, still working out the bugs, thanks for your patience" answer. Like many writers who ventured here for a "writing site" to publish their hard and researched work, just to see the site make rash changes without the concern of those who really put forth the effort so required......I have stood by my word and moved elsewhere. The kitchen wasn't to hot so to speak, I just don't like working around cockroaches. So, I hope that you get a straight answer to this valid concern. I support your effort in gaining some clarity on the issue(s) with this site, as I have seen for the past year. I keep hoping that someone at the headquarters will have an "ah ha" moment and listen. Hope being a fading word.

            1. Randy Godwin profile image94
              Randy Godwinposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Thank you so much, Jennifer.  I realized before I started this thread it would not be popular with those who indeed rally around TPTB on HP.  I've sat back and watched as this drama has unfolded and kept my mouth shut until this latest fiasco has come to a head.  To claim the idle /feature program is helping weed out the chaff is laughable as the example of the copied hub being instantly featured is nothing new here.

              How is it I can notice this happening when the site techs do not?  "We're working on it" and "nothing is perfect" is not acceptable when good honest folks are being penalized by this failure of a program.  I'll be looking for some indication--numbers, graphs, or some other such proof the system is working at least a little bit--from Simone or either Paul E..

              The answer I receive will tell much about how well the contentious program is working.  I think we will all discover how much the writers are appreciated by the response from the top.

    2. aa lite profile image92
      aa liteposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      It is possible....but I don't think a copied hub would have been a good test.  I don't think MTurk workers are supposed to check whether a hub is original or not, just comment on its quality.  The hub is actually not bad in terms of quality it seems to me.  It is formatted quite well, the problem is that it is not original.

      1. SimeyC profile image90
        SimeyCposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Sounds like a bug in the system - I don't believe it would be maliciously done by staff!!!

        1. wilderness profile image97
          wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Hardly. They would either be publishing stolen material or have gone to the effort to get permission to put up copied stuff, along with a new profile.  Just a wee bit unlikely either way.

          Sounds more like another effort to improve the QAP that isn't working.

          1. Randy Godwin profile image94
            Randy Godwinposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            No, the QAP is designed by those who think themselves capable of determining. what "quality" is.  Ask yourself this. Who decided they were capable of making this decision with all of the other junk they still feature here and who allowed the junk to remain and was responsible for the major google slaps this site received before.  The same people who screwed up before, that's who.  Apparently they learned nothing since then,  but I will gladly wait for one of the members of the think tank to respond.  I won't hold my breath for a lucid answer, though.

            1. wilderness profile image97
              wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Wrong, Randy, and you know it.  The QAP is designed by those people desperately trying to satisfy the requirements of "quality" as determined by google.

              Nor are they responsible for the major google slaps of Panda, Penguin or any of the other updates.  This site was extremely successful prior to those updates; the powers that be followed the rules of the game.  They are not responsible for changing the rules however much you would like to blame them.

              1. Randy Godwin profile image94
                Randy Godwinposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                I've been here almost twice as long as you, wilderness and have seen so much that you haven't.  Many of us warned HP before the very first Google slap they were heading for a fall by allowing garbage to be published here, but as usual they are the geniuses who know best as indicated by this stupid program.  And yes, their bad judgement is the direct cause of the many penalties HP has received from Google.

                I know you feel they have your best interest at heart, but you would be wrong once again.  Following many bad decisions with even more does not help anything.  HP doesn't have a clue what Google wants, and if they did we wouldn't be in the mess we are now.  Do you suppose the staff all of a sudden received enlightenment?  Yeah right.  And how is the present system working out?  Have they shown us any stats from the vast improvement in quality or earnings?   No, because they can't!

                1. wilderness profile image97
                  wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  No.  HP most definitely does not have my best interest at heart, although I do choose to believe that they do care at least somewhat.

                  HP has it's own best interest at heart, and that does not include ruining all traffic to the site.  Nor, IMHO, does it include allowing the site to fill with trash - thus the QAP. 

                  Has the staff suddenly received enlightenment?  More than either you or I, I would imagine.  They do have more resources, more experience and far, far more data to work with.  I would hope they have more enlightenment than either of us.

                  HP doesn't show you daily earnings for any hubber but yourself or for the site as a whole?  And from this you deduce that the earnings are falling daily?  Again, you know better.  It is none of your business, they have no reason to show you any stats at all and are highly unlikely to ever do so whether they can or not.  You want to know what their income is, buy some stock in the company.

                  1. SimeyC profile image90
                    SimeyCposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    I disagree slightly - they do have your best interest at heart - not because they want you to succeed - but because if you DO succeed then they are making more money.....

                  2. Randy Godwin profile image94
                    Randy Godwinposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    LOL!  They could not care less if either you or I make another dime here, wilderness.  they would boot you in a heartbeat despit the times you and others make excuses for them.  I asked Simone a question, not you, not Simey, not MSTurk, or Ms. Missy, or any other of the APs who suddenly post here without any of the answers I seek. 

                    You guys don't like the questions and don't know the answers either.  So what in the heck are you responding to my post for?  I mean really, are you guys staff?  If not you are offering nothing substantial in the way of answering my queries.  Simone is a big girl, she doesn't need your help, I'm sure.  lol!

          2. SimeyC profile image90
            SimeyCposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            As I mentioned in another post - programming, especially for the web is a very tricky thing. Even if the QAP is 99% right, the 1% that gets through or doesn't even get to the QAP (as seems to be the case) will stand out - a good example of this is Google - Google cannot create an algorithm to remove the garbage from their results  - so if they can't with billions of dollars how can HP do a perfect job - it's just not feasible....

            ...I agree with Randy that this needs to be addressed and if it is a bug then we should no - I think the biggest problem is the lack of communication...

            1. wilderness profile image97
              wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              I agree all the way; the only thing I might add is that it seems a little silly to begin demanding an immediate answer on Sunday night.  You, I and everyone on this thread knows there will be no answer until sometime tomorrow at best, assuming that the reason for that hub slipping through can be found by even then.

        2. aa lite profile image92
          aa liteposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          I am pretty sure it is not maliciously done, but the idled hub, pending etc. have made a lot of people angry, so if the system is "buggy" and doesn't seem to be working well, that is a big problem.  If you are asking people to put up with very annoying changes, then you really should make sure that the system works.  Of course we don't know how many 'copied content' hubs were never published, it might be that the system works 99% of the time, which would be pretty good.

          I think the worst thing about all the changes is that they really don't seem to have done the site that much good.  Surely by now the bad stuff that is pulling the site down should be deindexed, so the penalty should be removed.  If you look at the Quantcast curve, it seems to be pretty much flatlining.

          1. SimeyC profile image90
            SimeyCposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Staff have pointed out that the system hasn't really touched the backlog of older hubs - I personally feel this should be a major priority - but, if the system is still buggy - imagine the outrage that would occur if out of the 2,000,000 bad hubs that were un-featured, 100 stellar hubs were also un-featured. Sadly it's a huge catch-22 for HP - if they don't do anything they get hugely criticized, when they do they get criticized for not doing it right....

            1. aa lite profile image92
              aa liteposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              I agree about the catch-22 for HP.  However, you know from your experience that a lot of stellar hubs get unfeatured ( I actually prefer the term idled) because they don't get traffic.  I think this is one of the things that is making people angry, that good hubs that don't get  much traffic are idled, while copied hubs or "sexy pictures" hubs get through.

              I am not personally angry, and I do admit that I don't have a very good understanding of what is involved, but it does seem to me that the focus right now is in precise quality assessment (the difference between a good, a very good and an excellent hub), rather than bad, harmful hubs and ok hubs, which is a bit puzzling.

              1. SimeyC profile image90
                SimeyCposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Agree - I've had some very good hubs (IMHO) go un-featured. However it has made me take a really good look at them (after my rant!) and realize that some of the headings certainly could be improved to gain more traffic.

                Someone (can't remember who) came up with a brilliant idea the other day - there should be a 'warning this hub could become un-featured soon' icon so I can take a look at the hub prior to the surprise...

              2. wilderness profile image97
                wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                No one outside of HP has much understanding of the problem. 

                No one else has any idea of the cost, either in terms of immediate payments or long term loss of income, and they don't care.

                No one else has any idea of the programming involved, and doesn't care.

                No one else is concerned what effects might be seen on anyone but themselves.

                No one else has any idea what positive effects might be resulting, as few report them.

                1. Randy Godwin profile image94
                  Randy Godwinposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  I do know since Aug. of 2011 I've lost over $12,000 because HP wouldn't rid itself of the spam and junk it was warned about.  And this was with many less hubs than I have now.  Yes I know, peanuts.  Not anything to be upset about, right?

                  1. wilderness profile image97
                    wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Upset?  Sure.  Absolutely. 

                    Laying blame without the faintest knowledge of a cause or any solution?  No.  Especially when you know the root of the problem lies with Panda - before that the garbage produced large sums of income and everyone was happy.

              3. EmpressFelicity profile image83
                EmpressFelicityposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                ++++

          2. Randy Godwin profile image94
            Randy Godwinposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            This system is a definite failure and whoever designed it should be kicked off the site.  there is nothing to show it has ever worked at all and is certanily not worth the anguish and bad feelings it has caused to the veteran member of the site.  You tell me why my hubs have to wait for over 20 hours while this other crud is featured when I've never had a hub refused in almost 4 years?   Pretend you are Simone and give it your best shot if you will.  lol!

      2. MelissaBarrett profile image62
        MelissaBarrettposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        If we catch them we can flag them.  But no, there is no requirement to scan for originality.  I've caught a couple that were copied but I've probably missed a few too.

        Maybe I should run a line through Google more often.

        1. IzzyM profile image86
          IzzyMposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Randy said the hub he is upset about did not go through the whole Mturk process. It couldn't have if it appeared half an hour after publishing.
          This leaves us the question as why some people, including brand new hubbers with no record, are being allowed instant featuring while the rest of us aren't? This a valid point and some answers would be appreciated.

          1. MelissaBarrett profile image62
            MelissaBarrettposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Actually, today it conceivably could have gone through QAP in 30 minutes. The queue is rather short today.

            1. wilderness profile image97
              wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Plus, HP is making an effort to shorten the time required.

            2. Randy Godwin profile image94
              Randy Godwinposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              So then why did mine take 22 hours to feature, Melissa?  Sorry, merely grasping at straws now aren't you?

              1. MelissaBarrett profile image62
                MelissaBarrettposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                I don't know.

                I just stated a possibility.  I know the queue is short.

                No need to be hostile.  You really don't have to jump on someone for saying something that doesn't amount to "HP is garbage" Other people really are allowed to be ok with the things that are happening.

          2. SimeyC profile image90
            SimeyCposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Agreed...

  10. SimeyC profile image90
    SimeyCposted 3 years ago

    A question - does anyone here have programming experience particularly on the web? I introduced a 'product' for my company on the web - it was tested thoroughly for six months by several different groups. Several years later we are still seeing bugs in the system that simply were not foreseen. I'm not saying that this is the case with the system on HP - but I know from experience that things will never always work the way you expect them to - that's the nature of the web and programming. Heck if things worked perfectly every time then there wouldn't be a million updates to Windows every year!

    Is there a problem with HP's system - yes - so report the problem. If HP development team are worth their salt then these problems will be sorted in time...

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    summerberrieposted 3 years ago

    I would prefer for someone official to reply to Randy's questions so we are not left speculating to the cause. Although the responses are interesting and can be correct, I hope HP does not sidestep a direct answer to Randy as they reply indirectly to other hubbers responses.

    1. SimeyC profile image90
      SimeyCposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Agreed - clear and concise communication is needed - I'm not trying to be obtuse and disagree with Randy for the sake of disagreeing - Randy has a valid question and should receive a valid answer...

      1. MelissaBarrett profile image62
        MelissaBarrettposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        The thing is, even if he gets a valid answer is it going to make him feel any better?

        I think several people have already made up their mind that any answer they get is going to be unacceptable.

        I don't think communication can happen under those circumstances.  All that can happen is bitterness.  I don't really see the point. Simone is going to get jumped either way.  Either they are going to believe she is lying or they are going to say that a mistake proves HP is incompetent.

        Once again, I just don't see the point.

        1. wilderness profile image97
          wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Ya think?

        2. Randy Godwin profile image94
          Randy Godwinposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Just because you don't see the point doesn't mean there isn't one, Melissa.  You have a vested interest in continuing with the MTurk program so a bias is definitely there on your part.  I don't think you can deny it, can you?  Or you can kill the messenger if it makes you feel better.

          Simone is Simone.  She'll say whatever they tell her to say and more than likely it won't be much but "the system is still being tweaked" or some other such bull cookies like we usually get.

          1. MelissaBarrett profile image62
            MelissaBarrettposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            I do have a vested interest, but not as big of one as you might think.

            I made just as much money on MTurk before Hubpages as I make with them... actually with a little less work.  I do the hub hits because it makes me feel good to be helping out.  If it was purely for the money I would be doing transcription.  I also enjoy reading the new hubs.  You can assume that I am in it for some nefarious reason but sorry I'm really not.

            It also kinda sucks for you to essentially be saying that Simone has no mind of her own.  She has been nothing but nice in every post I've ever seen her make.

            The system IS still being tweaked.  It's a big change and mistakes happen.  You aren't perfect, so why are you so angry about others not being perfect?

        3. Shanna11 profile image89
          Shanna11posted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Amen to that.

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        summerberrieposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        I know SimeyC. This comment was not directed at hubbers here but the staff. I have asked a direct question of the staff in a forum thread only for them to answer questions of hubbers comments and not directly answer me. I just indirectly letting the staff know I am still waiting on an answer Randy's question. Randy asked his question in the thread so I think it is healthy for all hubbers to have their say, but I hope HP answers.

  12. Cheeky Girl profile image85
    Cheeky Girlposted 3 years ago

    This is disturbing. A copied article gets rushed through the "system" and becomes published in apparent record time. Many other hubbers have to be queued in a waiting or pending state and checked out before being published and then featured if the quality is good enough. And many writers still report falling views and stats on their writing.

    I wonder what are the stats for this - like, how many hubs get read as opposed to how many get read and published straight away, similar to this one. We need more information on numbers here. What is the actual success rate on hubs getting published? Or is this information available?

    Another question about the Mturk system of vetting articles for publication. Is this the best or only system out there that can accommodate this? Is this is? Sounds like there is a damn gap in the market!

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      summerberrieposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      You get it.

    2. wilderness profile image97
      wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      It is almost certain that there are better systems.  Hiring enough people to thoroughly read and examine each hub is one such; will you donate another 50% or your earnings, on top of the 40% already taken, to help provide that system?

      Add in that no one actually knows what the term "quality" means to google and you have just an inkling of the problem.  Not an understanding, but enough to know there is no simple answer.

  13. Shanna11 profile image89
    Shanna11posted 3 years ago

    "LOL!  If you believe this place is so important to me you are sadly mistaken, Shanna."



    Well gee, I dunno. With your constant rants about this website, it seems like you care very much. If something wasn't important to me, I wouldn't be getting my underwear twisted so tightly about it all the time. But maybe I'm more rational than some....

    And if growing up means being anything similar to you, I'm just fine where I am, thanks.

    1. Randy Godwin profile image94
      Randy Godwinposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      I'm not going to touch the "underwear" thing as I know you are of the Mormon cult.  And whether you are more rational than I is a matter of opinion.  lol!  And I haven't been on the forums for a long time so, so much for the "constant complaining."  lol!  Isn't it past your bedtime?  :p

      1. Shanna11 profile image89
        Shanna11posted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Hahaha I actually laughed out loud at that. I'll sacrifice a goat for you and pray for you soul, solely because I know you won't want me to. smile

        And it's only 8:45. I got another fifteen minutes or so.

        1. Randy Godwin profile image94
          Randy Godwinposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Just ask one of your husbands what he thinks.  :p

          1. Shanna11 profile image89
            Shanna11posted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Ooh, instead of multiple wives we're doing multiple husbands now?

            I could get on board with that...

            1. Randy Godwin profile image94
              Randy Godwinposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              You misspelled "bored."  lol!

              1. Shanna11 profile image89
                Shanna11posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                I could take that vague statement in so many different ways, it's not even funny.

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                Motown2Chitownposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Actually, she didn't.  She used the word 'board' correctly.  You don't get 'on bored' with something.  You get 'bored' with something.

                Randy, give yourself a break and just see what HP has to say when they're back at work. 

                big_smile

                1. Shanna11 profile image89
                  Shanna11posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  That's what I thought, but then I started wondering if there was some sort of perverted/weird hidden meaning....

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                    Motown2Chitownposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    LOL

                    Nope, no weird meaning - at least as far as I know. 

                    But you did indeed use the right word and spelled it correctly to boot. 

                    smile

                2. Randy Godwin profile image94
                  Randy Godwinposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  I was referring to her husband, Mo!  This was an example of "sarcasm."  tongue

                  1. Shanna11 profile image89
                    Shanna11posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Ouch. You've hit my weak spot. Nineteen and unmarried. The shame is suffocating.

                    As for whether or not my husband will be bored.... let's just stop that right there. It's too weird to be discussing my future sex life with old men. I'm sure you can appreciate that...

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                    Motown2Chitownposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    I know, I know.  How come you can all be so nice to me but so rotten to each other?  I wish I could give you all my Mom face over the computer. 

                    Now everyone stop snarling and try to discuss this with a little bit of respect and reason - all the way around.  You are indeed a much nicer man than you're coming across on this thread, Randy.  I know it for a fact.  big_smile

      2. wilderness profile image97
        wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Have your many rants accomplished anything?  Maybe she is more rational...

        1. Shanna11 profile image89
          Shanna11posted 3 years ago in reply to this

          And that would be saying a lot. Because I still jump like five feet to get into bed at night lest the creatures under my bed get me.

        2. Randy Godwin profile image94
          Randy Godwinposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          I'm shocked you would defend her, wilderness.  lol

          1. Shanna11 profile image89
            Shanna11posted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Ooh, he doesn't like me either? You people and your grudges. Just silly.

      3. Marcy Goodfleisch profile image93
        Marcy Goodfleischposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Randy - there's more than one Mormon on this thread. I'm a card-carrying LDS member, too. Please keep our faith out of  the discussion?

        1. Randy Godwin profile image94
          Randy Godwinposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Sorry Marcy, I did consider my reply would insult you after posting my response to the little girl.  I apologize to you personally.  smile

          Randy

          1. Shanna11 profile image89
            Shanna11posted 3 years ago in reply to this

            This little girl is going to kick you in the shins and leave her legos out for you step on while barefoot.

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              Motown2Chitownposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Legos won't do it, Shanna.  Leave out the jax. smile  Of course, Mr. Randy will just snake his way around both, so you may have to come up with something else.

              1. Shanna11 profile image89
                Shanna11posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Hmm... well I DO work with snakes, and I can wrangle even the most uncooperative one into submission..... wink

            2. Randy Godwin profile image94
              Randy Godwinposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Just don't leave out one of your messy diapers for me to step on, Shanna.  I hate it when you do that! tongue

              1. Shanna11 profile image89
                Shanna11posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Woah now, low blow. You know just as well as I do that I've graduated to the big girl potty now.

          2. Marcy Goodfleisch profile image93
            Marcy Goodfleischposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Shanna deserves respect  regarding that, too - and I thank you for the apology. Accepted in love. You know I mean that, too.

            I vote we all turn in for the night.  Anyone want to second it?

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              summerberrieposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Marcy, you are a respectful person who is always kind and thoughtful in your comments. You earn your respect. It is not free.

              1. Randy Godwin profile image94
                Randy Godwinposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                +100

              2. Marcy Goodfleisch profile image93
                Marcy Goodfleischposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                That's one of the kindest things ever said to me - thanks for that. It gives me something to live up to!

  14. Reality Bytes profile image94
    Reality Bytesposted 3 years ago

    http://i.imgur.com/aVZgT.gif

    smile

    1. Shanna11 profile image89
      Shanna11posted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Hahahahaha!

    2. wilderness profile image97
      wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      I want some, too!

  15. Shanna11 profile image89
    Shanna11posted 3 years ago

    Let's just cut the crap and admit that we all thrive on bickering and drama on the Hubpages forums.

    1. wilderness profile image97
      wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Been a great war, hasn't it? smile

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        Motown2Chitownposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Y'all have worked me into a right good panic attack.  Sheesh.  Have some consideration! wink

      2. Shanna11 profile image89
        Shanna11posted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Well, I for one had fun....

  16. Marcy Goodfleisch profile image93
    Marcy Goodfleischposted 3 years ago

    Holy crap - I replied to  Izzy's comment before I read through the whole thread.  Y'all should go back to page one & read through this all at once.

    Randy does have a good question - everyone seems to agree to that. The system appears to be less than perfect, everyone seems to agree to that.  Many people are frustrated at having their hubs stalled before they're featured. Lots of agreement there.

    So - it appears the biggest problem is that Simone isn't online on a Sunday evening?  And the way to deal with that is to bash each other?

    1. Shanna11 profile image89
      Shanna11posted 3 years ago in reply to this

      I prefer to think of it as a welcoming collection of test subjects that I can test my snarky comebacks on....

  17. 0
    summerberrieposted 3 years ago

    Take with a full glass of water:


    http://s1.hubimg.com/u/7699120_f248.jpg

    1. wilderness profile image97
      wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Probably a good idea for everyone here. smile

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        summerberrieposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Deleted

        1. Marcy Goodfleisch profile image93
          Marcy Goodfleischposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Well, let's all share some comforting tea (those who want can grab the 'snacks' & a glass of water).

          Randy - thanks for raising a question we all now have curiosity about. I hope Simone or someone can wade through this thread & look into it for us.

          Love you guys!

          1. Shanna11 profile image89
            Shanna11posted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Tea?! Marcy what are you thinking! Next you'll be suggesting we all get some coffee! D: (kidding)

            1. Marcy Goodfleisch profile image93
              Marcy Goodfleischposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Lol!  HERBAL!!  Should have specified!

              1. wilderness profile image97
                wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                lol  Gotta go with Shanna here - no caffeine this late at night.  Especially not when things have calmed down!

                1. Marcy Goodfleisch profile image93
                  Marcy Goodfleischposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  She was reminding me of the Word of Wisdom - I'm so used to having herbal tea that I forget there's another kind!  wink

                  1. Shanna11 profile image89
                    Shanna11posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    My parents freaked out when I told them I drank herbal tea. And that's saying nothing about what they did when I mentioned I drank a forbidden Coke....

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                    Motown2Chitownposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Oh, thanks be to God that I'm Catholic.  I might lose my mind without coffee.  I used to work with an absolutely beautiful lady who was a Mormon (LDS) and we used to have such fascinating conversations!  She drank almost nothing but water.  I was continually amazed by that kind of discipline.

                  3. wilderness profile image97
                    wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Don't know the Word of Wisdom, but do assume Shanna drinks no coffee.  Or, in my ignorance, anything else with caffeine.

  18. Marcy Goodfleisch profile image93
    Marcy Goodfleischposted 3 years ago

    Goodnight - sleep tight.  Pleasant dreams!  Don't make me quote Rodney King here!

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      Motown2Chitownposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Oh, Marcy, you're such a soft heart!  smile

      1. Marcy Goodfleisch profile image93
        Marcy Goodfleischposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        wink. My kids probably wouldn't agree, but hey, I'll take what I can get here!

  19. Marcy Goodfleisch profile image93
    Marcy Goodfleischposted 3 years ago

    Seriously going to bed now - fun party; it's been real, and all that.

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      Motown2Chitownposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Good night, Marcy. smile

      1. Marcy Goodfleisch profile image93
        Marcy Goodfleischposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        'Night - cant find a 'sleepy' happy face thingy, so I'll sign off.

  20. Randy Godwin profile image94
    Randy Godwinposted 3 years ago

    Since you guys are so off topic I will check back in tomorrow for the exciting answer to this contentious question.  Bet it will be a dilly!  lol

    1. wilderness profile image97
      wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      G'night, Randy.  I'm not far behind you.

  21. diogenes profile image83
    diogenesposted 3 years ago

    Hi Randy: et al.  Of course it's a slap in the face for those of us who have been around a while.  It is - or was - recognized by newspaper editors that nothing was edited without the writer's agreement, and that a tested columnist would have his stuff published with nothing more than proof-reading.  But HP takes the attitude that they are dealing with hobbyists, not 'real" writers.  In fact, they are not qualified to pass judgement on professional writer's work...no one is to the extent they demand it is altered of removed.  Of course, HP are the pawns in all this, so is Google (etc),  it is their toadying up to the advertisers and not wishing to offend them that is the engine driving this train.
    I am in the phase with HP of being the red-blooded male (read writer) who is looking for a hot affair (medium) but is, so to speak, gently massaging the creative organ by publishing on this site.  Also to keep in touch with some writers I admire; some friends found here, or hot chicks whose avatars have me slavering  (real or plagiarized!).
    And then, of course, "whether it is nobler in the mind..."
    Bob

    1. aa lite profile image92
      aa liteposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Ugghh, I can't get the image of  you gently messaging your red hot creative organ all over this site, out of my mind!  I'm going to be stuck with this for the rest of the day.

      You know the hot auntie section of HP isn't going to make you blind, but you don't have to share with everybody that you've been there.

    2. Randy Godwin profile image94
      Randy Godwinposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Good morning, Bob.  Yes, quite a change around here, eh?  When a member of 14 hours has a hub instantly featured--copied coincidentally--while those of us who have published here for many years are made to jump through the hoops like trained monkeys.  And then to have the "elite" lol writers join forces to defend a system which hasn't improved anything I can see. 

      So far the "feature/idle" program has done nothing but cause the former loyal members much angst and frustration and has allowed more junk to be published and HP seems not to care the site is full of it as evidenced by the many examples being posted on the forums and other places on HP. 

      If anyone cares to keep a watch on the "latest hubs"--now hidden unless one searches for it for some reason lol--they too will discover how flawed it is.  But we should not dare to point it out to TPTB because that would not be nice.  Strange how many of the pets have asked me to go elsewhere for my answers.  This is why I detest "special" titles because it empowers those sporting them to imagine they are indeed special in some manner.  Sad really.  smile

      And like you, I have good friends here and running away from a problem is simply not my style.  I doubt seriously they will ditch this program as HP seems stay with what is not working until it's too late, as evidenced by their past actions.  More's the pity.

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    mcxniftycallsposted 3 years ago

    Taking 24 hours to feature article is not a bad idea, most of reputed article submission websites like Ezine Articles, Street Articles, Article Base take even more time to approve a article and you can't even as anybody, there is no one to reply. I waited on Ezine Articles for about 20 days and finally article was rejected.
    And it is needed to maintain quality on website, HubPages is still good.

    But way and criteria for article rating is needed to be improved, I came to know that HubPages rate hubs on the base of Mturk where only US residents are allowed to do that. I think here, Hubpages need to do something.
    and secondly, The Idea of "Exclusive Titles" is not actually exclusive for HubPages and Hubbers I feel.

    Otherwise, I like HubPages most for earnings and Search engine reputation.  If you really had knowledge about user's experience and search engine's, you can do great here.

    Making money online, internet marketing, affiliate marketing is not easy as before, Its is not just Hubpage but whole Internet Market is going tough. The time has gone when only limited people were aware about Internet Marketing, Competition is really great now and going to get tougher and tougher.

    1. Randy Godwin profile image94
      Randy Godwinposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Apparently you didn't read the original question.  I'm not complaining about having the hubs vetted by someone qualified--who that would be I really don't know at this point--but a program allowing new members to be instantly featured while veterans have to wait up to 24 hours is patently wrong.  I don't think anyone can disagree with this premise.  The system is flawed and it isn't getting any better despite statements to the contrary.

      How would you like to made to wait up to 24 hours while someone who joined a few hours ago has their copied hub featured almost at once.  This is the problem we are dealing with.

  23. SmartAndFun profile image92
    SmartAndFunposted 3 years ago

    Add my name to the list of frustrated writers who would love to be able to publish instantly. It is disheartening to see others who are able to, especially when they have been on the site for mere hours and are publishing plagiarized material. There are many, many writers who have been here for years and who have never had an article flagged, rejected or unpublished, yet our articles are sent to be audited, while these spammers' articles are not. It is very depressing and frustrating.

    1. Randy Godwin profile image94
      Randy Godwinposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      How dare you complain, S&F!  tongue  Look out for the pit bulls!  lol

      1. Shanna11 profile image89
        Shanna11posted 3 years ago in reply to this

        I'm a put bull and I'm not attacking her. In fact, I agree with her. I agree with the whole premise of the board. My problem with this board is the way you react and act Randy. You call me young, naive and childish, but you turn around and act the exact same way. We could all use a dose of humility, calmness, understanding and maturity when it comes to problems like this.

        No fire was ever put out when people just keep adding more fire to it.

        1. Randy Godwin profile image94
          Randy Godwinposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          And you have offered absolutely nothing but fire in any of your comments here, Shanna.  No excuses for the problems I have outlined, nor nothing productive at all.  Just why are you here?  And how old did you say you were when you joined here?

          1. Shanna11 profile image89
            Shanna11posted 3 years ago in reply to this

            You're right. I've certainly been very hypocritical here and not so nice, and for that I apologize. But Randy, you've got to make an effort to be polite as well. I'm here because mostly I'm tired of seeing people trying to get problems addressed in unproductive, negative ways. The problems are even less likely to get solved when people are rude about them and that harms everyone on the site, not just you Randy. You're setting us all back.

            I don't have any excuses for the problem because I see it as a problem. I agree that something needs to be done, but respect for the human beings who run this site is imperative.

            I was eighteen when I joined this site-- perfectly legal. I haven't broken any rules.

            1. Randy Godwin profile image94
              Randy Godwinposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Since you are unaware of my conversations with Simone and the other staffers--most who don't care to identify themselves--how do you know how I am treated by them, Shanna?  I think this is an important factor in the mutual respect--or disrespect, for that matter--we have for each other.  I realize you think you are doing Simone and TPTB a favor but i suggest you are delving into something you may not be aware of.  But I do take this in consideration when trying to respond to your criticism of me.  You have much to learn in this aspect.  smile

              1. Shanna11 profile image89
                Shanna11posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Fair enough. I don't know what goes on behind the scenes between you and staffers, but you'll make yourself look a lot better and you'll win far more support to your side if you constantly present yourself in the best possible light in the forums. People may complain about such political tactics, but they DO work...

                1. SimeyC profile image90
                  SimeyCposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Randy - personal comment - I know you are an intelligent person, a great writer and mostly very courteous and willing to listen. Everyone on here often gets sidetracked by silly things and we end up making a circus out of a relevant thread. Perhaps to actually focus on the question at hand you could open a new thread and simply point out the facts of what happened, your concerns and your question. Don't add your feelings (however justified based on past experiences) - that way if you ask a calm question and get the runaround from staff our thoughts are not focusing on the wrong thing....

                  .....also, might be a good idea to provide a link to this forum and note that if anyone wants to discuss this question please post on the other forum - leave this one to staff only.....

                  I honestly don't think HP staff will touch this forum entry with a barge poll at this stage big_smile

                  1. Randy Godwin profile image94
                    Randy Godwinposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    So you don't think I should treat HP in the manner they have treated me, Simey?  And why not if the answer is no?

                2. SmartAndFun profile image92
                  SmartAndFunposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  I can't speak for Randy, but everyone has their point when they run out of patience. The subject of apparently hand-picked, "preferred" writers who get to publish immediately, while the rest of us are on the outside looking in with our noses pressed to the window, has been brought up before. If they have vetted these preferred writers by "collecting data" on them, so be it. If they don't have the time, funds, inclination or manpower to "collect data" on me, so be it. It is just really frustrating and depressing to see someone who has been here 14 hours getting to publish immediately.

                  That is all. This is the subject at hand IMHO. The duplicate content content stuff is a side issue that can be dealt with at another time in another thread.

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          summerberrieposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Please read back through your threads. You never addressed the OPs question. You began your presence in this thread by criticizer the question asked. Take a close look. You might discover you are the fuel flaming the fire.

          1. Shanna11 profile image89
            Shanna11posted 3 years ago in reply to this

            I may be part of the fuel, but I certainly wasn't the spark.

            I agree with his question. I would like an answer too. I'm just completely put off by his initial lack of respect and rationality. There are better ways to bring up and solve problems wouldn't you agree?

            Was it mature of me to be snarky back? Certainly not, but someone's got to remind Randy what it feels like to be poked and prodded unduly. Perhaps one day he'll learn it doesn't feel good and that maybe HP staff would be far more understanding and interested in the problems he discovers if he acted with decorum.

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              summerberrieposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Picking a fellow hubber apart in a thread due to the fact you think his manner in asking the question to the staff at HP lacks tact is a bit on the level of over personal. If the staff is offended by the manner let them address it for themselves. Why bog down a thread with your righteous chastisement of a fellow hubber asking a legit question on the premise of assuming HP was even offended by the way  the question was asked?

              1. Shanna11 profile image89
                Shanna11posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Because I would like to see the issue solved, and HP staff is probably unlikely to focus on this issue if people are being rude and nasty toward them. I know in my past jobs that when people had problems with the service or food or something and brought it up with me in a polite, respectful manner I would do everything in my power to make sure that issue was resolved quickly and satisfactorily.

                People respond better to carrots instead of sticks. If Randy is messing up our chances of getting this issue solved by being rude to HP staff then he's setting back all the writers on this website and that's when the issue involves us all.

                1. 0
                  summerberrieposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  The only person and Issue they have to focus on is the OP original question. No need for them to venture any further into the forum thread.

                  1. Shanna11 profile image89
                    Shanna11posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    And that is where our opinions differ. End of story.

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                  summerberrieposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Who are you to judge his question was rude? I saw it as a very well articulated question which had a valid point. I may have been a bit more diplomatic in its deliverance but all the substance is there and who I'm I to analyze the question. I did not ask it. If you want it asked in a better manner begin a new thread asking the question to your own liking. If you are concerned the staff will not answer Randy's question due to the way he asked it. Let that be Randy's concern not yours. Maybe, you will or will not get a more speedy answer in your own thread. Who know worth a try.

                  1. Shanna11 profile image89
                    Shanna11posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    We have very different opinions that will probably not ever be resolved, so I suggest that you take your own advice and leave the issues  between Randy and I where they belong- between Randy and I.

                3. Randy Godwin profile image94
                  Randy Godwinposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  lol Shanna.  I could assert you have ruined any sort of bargaining power by being a member of Simone's "team" using your logic.  Notice how many of her "mentees" have defended her here?  Coincidence, or not?

                  1. Shanna11 profile image89
                    Shanna11posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Dude, Simone wasn't even my mentor in the AP program, nor was I on any 'team' of hers. The only real correspondence I've ever had with Simone was "Yes, I like this aspect of the AP program." or "This could use work". (and that was one time, mind you-- in the company of several other apprentices). It wasn't "Let me kiss the ground you walk on."  Strike one.

                    People here like and defend Simone because she's a nice person in the forums. People have always seen her being friendly, respectful and polite. People gang up on you because they only see you in the forums as mean and rude and unwillingly to be rational.


                    You need a good PR agent or something.

  24. GoingOnline profile image60
    GoingOnlineposted 3 years ago

    I think that latest hubs doesn't mean that said hub is visible to Google, all my hubs go into latest hubs, and everybody else's as well (I think, I see plenty of recently published ones by everybody I follow). Or do you mean is a hub with dofollow in less than 24h? Did it have ads?

    I also think that Simone was away, remember reading that on a forum or another. So your answer may take a while longer.

    Now I am back to my popcorn. Hope you get the answers you need asap before this threat wanders so offtopic an answer can't be found.

  25. tlpoague profile image88
    tlpoagueposted 3 years ago

    I have come out of my darken hole of mourning to show my presence. Like past changes, I have sat back and waited for the cream to rise to the top. Only in the past few weeks have I noticed that although I may be posting comments and sharing hubs, while time allows, I haven't published anything in a year. Not because I didn't think about it, didn't have time, or didn't want to, but because I am waiting to see when the next change is. I am lazy at times and don't like to constantly redo my work.
    This morning I awoke to a person posting a message that one of my images was stolen for commercial purposes. After reading this thread, I went in search of the hub mentioned, but couldn't find it yet. This is discouraging for those of us that are trying to produce great quality hubs only to jump through hoops and have our content copied. I understand, even though sometimes I don't always agree, that HP is trying to prefect this site. When I started here, it was one of the most friendly and encouraging places I had been. I still enjoy many of the people here, but am unsure now what direction the site is going...commercial or creative writing?
    There are many times that I wished Google would leave well enough alone and focus on charging those that are stealing content. Until then, I am still going to patiently sit back and wait to see what the next change is.
    You have posted an intriguing question here.

  26. CMHypno profile image88
    CMHypnoposted 3 years ago

    Randy asked a straight forward question, so what he needs is a reasonable answer.

    Might not be what he wants to hear, but not getting a straight answer from HP staff is something that has annoyed a lot of the hubbers who are currently not best pleased with the way things have gone down around here.

    A bit more transparency, treating all hubbers equally and straight answers from staff would pour a lot of much needed oil across the waters

    1. MelissaBarrett profile image62
      MelissaBarrettposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      The problem is if it IS a glitch, and that IS the answer then it won't be considered a "straight" answer.

      I'm not sure what would be considered an honest answer when an honest answer is considered spinning.  She would have to be dishonest in that case and make up something to satisfy those who are searching for blood.

      1. Randy Godwin profile image94
        Randy Godwinposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        If it is a glitch it is a well known one, Melissa.  Are you suggesting the techs haven't noticed it for a long time, or are too slow to address it?  How do others of us notice it when the techs don't seem to.  And you have no idea it is a glitch at all, do you?

        1. wilderness profile image97
          wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          A well known one?  Really?  Every time a bad hub slips through it is caused by the same line of bad code?  While all the time the system is changed and re-written?

          You don't actually have any idea whether it is well known or not, do you?

          1. Randy Godwin profile image94
            Randy Godwinposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            I can only go by the many hubs I notice on the "latest hubs", Wilderness.  So unless the techs are not checking the veracity of their own work, then I suppose they aren't aware of it.  Didn't you question my statement about the new hubbers copied instantly featured hub last night and admitted I was correct about it being featured?  Do you think I'm merely making this stuff up?  If so, what is my motive?

            1. Aficionada profile image92
              Aficionadaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              What is the current procedure for accessing "latest hubs"? I don't know how to do that now, although I did at one time.

  27. EmpressFelicity profile image83
    EmpressFelicityposted 3 years ago

    All I can say is, I could have sworn that various other people have suggested that HP put in a filter to prevent duplicate content from even being published. IIRC, they were all ignored.

    If anyone can come up with evidence to the contrary, then please tell me.

    1. SimeyC profile image90
      SimeyCposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      It takes money, time and development.....with a limited staff and diminished revenue I highly doubt this would be a priority at the moment.

      1. EmpressFelicity profile image83
        EmpressFelicityposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Squidoo does it... Wizzley does it.... I don't think it can be all that hard. And being automated, a duplicate filter would surely be a lot cheaper than paying Mturk freelancers to rate hubs using what I understand is an extremely complex rating metric (as opposed to "leave published" or "unpublish", which would make far more sense to me).

        1. SimeyC profile image90
          SimeyCposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Are you sure Squidoo does it? Guess I learn something new every day.  Wizzley I believe has editors to go through every article don't they?

          I'm not saying they shouldn't - they've just prioritized their use of money to 'try' and improve quality. Again I'm not saying that is the best way to use their money - just pointing out the way a business works especially with limited funds. And not all business make the right decisions on how to spend money!

          1. EmpressFelicity profile image83
            EmpressFelicityposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            They do both do it. I moved one of my hubs to Squidoo and failed to wait until it had cleared Google's cache. I almost straight away got an automated email to say my lens was "locked" until I could prove it wasn't duplicate. I had to email them and tell them I'd used Webmaster tools to deindex it. A week or so later, Squidoo allowed it to be published.

            Same with Wizzley - I got an automated message straight away.



            I'm saying that if you've got limited funds, you should adopt a "where can I do most good by saving the most money?" approach. By which I mean use automated filters to catch duplicates, hubs with little or no text, hubs not written in English etc. And put the hubscore system to use for once - find all the hubs with the lowest scores (say, below 40) and look at those. That's where all the real crap will be.

            Start with the real crap. The rest should come later.

            1. SimeyC profile image90
              SimeyCposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              I've done the same with Hubs and not received the duplication error on Squidoo?! Perhaps I got lucky with the hub being non-index and disappearing on Google.

              I agree with what your saying - but we're not in charge - HP have their reasons for their priorities....may not seem sensible to us, but we never know the overal long term strategy etc..

            2. kathleenkat profile image89
              kathleenkatposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              How much money do you suppose they would be losing if they don't bother to fix this issue? Would it really be significant? Would a large enough number of users leave the site, causing some monetary impact? I doubt it. This issue probably isn't worth the time. It's like waiting in the customer service line for 30 minutes because the cashier forgot to ring up your $1-off coupon.

            3. wilderness profile image97
              wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              As far as using funds to catch duplication, I'd rather HP check my hubs weekly and tell me when one is copied.  Selfish, I know, but it would be of more value to me personally than stopping new copied content.

              Not going to happen, and I'm OK with that, but it does show that there are valid alternative uses and problems to be solved.

            4. Marcy Goodfleisch profile image93
              Marcy Goodfleischposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              I  suggested a while back (to Simone) that they create a category for Subscribers here, and convert all the empty profiles (no hubs, etc) to that status. Most of those are the profiles with scores of 5 or something ridiculous.  New members could sign up as Subscribers and request to convert to Writer status when they publish their first hub.  The hub would get vetted, and then be published.

              My personal thought is that the 'open gate' system, where anyone can join and immediately publish, is a huge problem.  After thinking about it, my guess is that they (maybe) would need a huge software change to revise that. And those are really hard to do, as well as expensive.  So they created a filter on the backend, rather than on the front end.  But as with anything like that, it's hard to have a perfect system.

              Probably everything that's been done here had been done by adjusting, updating, tweaking and redoing the original system HP started out with.  We have no way of knowing the limitations of it, or the intricacies of what it would take to do all the things we suggest.  Swapping out the original system (which may have been done at some point over the years) would be hugely expensive and tricky. So, no matter what HP might want to do, they only have a set number of tools and resources to do it.

          2. aa lite profile image92
            aa liteposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            I'm pretty sure Squidoo does, and their filter is on steroids! I had a lens unpublished because I copied a sentence with a product description from Amazon!  I've also read a lot of other people's comments complaining about the same thing. 

            I think "giant squids" are exempted from these checks though.  I also believe the freelance writing place Zerys, uses copyscape, or makes it available to buyers, so they can make sure the content they are buying is not copied.  My feeling is it is not that expensive or hard to implement (although being too strict produces its own problems).

            This is something that worries me with HPs idling and QAP policies, which I broadly support actually, and don't expect to be completely perfect, is that they don't seem to be making a lot of use of automatic filters etc.  How come really short (non-poetry) hubs seem to be coming through? 

            This could have a financial advantage that less hubs would be submitted to the QAP.  Surely automatic filters have to be cheaper than checking by humans?  Another way of saving money and speeding the process up, which has been suggested on multiple occasions, is to have "trusted writers", with clear fairly used rules, who bypass the QAP.  It is pretty unlikely that you, or many of the people who posted on the forums, are suddenly going to start publishing spam.  I am not sure it is the best use of limited resources, to have every hub that you publish or edit take up space on the QAP queue.   It wouldn't be an issue if resources were unlimited and the site was being efficiently cleansed of the really bad stuff that is presumably causing a Google penalty, but I don't think it is happening.

            1. SimeyC profile image90
              SimeyCposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              I think "giant squids" are exempted from these checks though. [Ahhh I once was a Giant Squid - I guess I seem to be still benefiting from that accolade - my bad!]

              Another way of saving money and speeding the process up, which has been suggested on multiple occasions, is to have "trusted writers", with clear fairly used rules, who bypass the QAP.  (I just came up with an idea which would rate authors based on their QAP scores for the last 90 days - constantly good writers would by-pass the waiting period - I still feel that all hubs should go through a QAP process.

              It is pretty unlikely that you, or many of the people who posted on the forums, are suddenly going to start publishing spam.   (This is where my idea would work too - great authors are likely always to be great authors - poor authors will have to improve to gain the benefits of being a great author)

              I am not sure it is the best use of limited resources, to have every hub that you publish or edit take up space on the QAP queue.   (We can agree on that - but it's not our decision....)

            2. wilderness profile image97
              wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              "Another way of saving money and speeding the process up, which has been suggested on multiple occasions, is to have "trusted writers", with clear fairly used rules, who bypass the QAP."

              Look back through just this thread and count the number of times that someone has referred to "pets", "favorites" or some other derogatory term for just such a plan.  Now consider that Derek has commented that not a single hubber that has failed the QAP for quality reasons has agreed with the assessment. 

              While it should work on paper (or better yet, Simey's proposal) it will also raise a can of worms that makes this thread look like a sunday school picnic.

              1. aa lite profile image92
                aa liteposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                You have a point, but do you think the shouting at HP could get much worse than we already have (maybe it could and I am just lacking imagination).

                I think rules like: you have 30 featured hubs, your last 10 articles passed QAP without a problem, you've published here for at least 6 months, you don't go through QAP,  would  cause a lot less resentment than having a member of 14 hours bypass the system, while Randy's hub is stuck.

                I would like to see the outcry that makes this thread look like a sunday school picnic.  I mean what is the worst thing that people can do?

                1. wilderness profile image97
                  wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  I could and would support such a system as workable.  Until a glitch produced another piece of garbage, which will happen.  Someone will figure out how to game the system, someone will make an innocent change in the code, something new will come along the pike and it will happen.  Whereupon the individual is a "pet", "favored" and the rest of us are once more garbage in HP's eyes.

                  Still, I like it given that it can be done without undue cost.

    2. Paul Maplesden profile image90
      Paul Maplesdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      I tried to publish a hub recently that had duplicate content in it (I wrote the original article and forgot to delist it before moving it to HP) and it prevented the hub from being published until I addressed it.

      1. EmpressFelicity profile image83
        EmpressFelicityposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        And yet:

        http:// backbenchers78.hubpages.com/hub/What-Is-the-Best-Plumbing-Advice-Homeowners-Can-Get

        http:// www.bestarticle.org/what-is-the-best-pl … s-can-get/

        Compare and contrast! (Links are broken deliberately.)

        Not saying you're telling porkies, but if HP has a duplicate filter, then it obviously isn't 100% effective. Or some hubbers get an automatic "pass" no matter what.

        1. SimeyC profile image90
          SimeyCposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          When I was in the AP I had quite a few hubs flagged and unpublished for duplication. They were all Excel Hubs and explained how to create different types of graphs. As a lot of the text was similar then they were flagged. There 'was' some type of duplication checking going on, but perhaps this was only checking against internal hubs?

          I suspect HP have trimmed down some of these programs as they cost money.....

        2. Paul Maplesden profile image90
          Paul Maplesdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          I'm just reporting on what happened to me, I have no reason to not tell the truth. Simey, the duplication warning I had was against content posted on an external site (my own blog). I understand if the algorithm isn't 100% effective, but it did work on my content.

          1. wilderness profile image97
            wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            I do think that HP checks for duplication, but on some basis that does not include every hub.  Otherwise we wouldn't see the indication on our stats page.

            Whether they should concentrate on new hubs or old is problematical; I hate to see new, copied, material, but it would certainly be advantageous to have all my hubs checked weekly or so.  I've filed nearly 30 DMCA's in the past week or so and am perhaps seeing some additional traffic as a result - it would be nice if HP could tell me each time it happens.

            1. Reality Bytes profile image94
              Reality Bytesposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Google will tell you, just set up an alert.  Use a small typo, double period or such.   Works well.

              1. wilderness profile image97
                wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Explain??  That sounds really good, but I haven't a clue how to do it.  Google will look for a double period all over the web and report it whenever it finds it?  (or something like that, anyway).

                Certainly they have the capability, and have stated an intent to address duplication - can and will they really do it?

                1. EmpressFelicity profile image83
                  EmpressFelicityposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  You can put a nonsense phrase or word in a non-obvious place on your hub (like at the very end, right below your name and the copyright symbol). Like, IDK... pangalacticgargleblastersforthewin! or something. If you had your own site, you'd be able to add suitable code to ensure that the nonsense word was white and therefore invisible to the reader.

                  1. SimeyC profile image90
                    SimeyCposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    pangalacticgargleblasters - now there's a worthy drink!

                  2. wilderness profile image97
                    wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    I get that part, but how do I tell G to keep a watch for it throughout the web, though?  And then report it to me when it finds it?

        3. ktrapp profile image90
          ktrappposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          For what it's worth (which is not much of anything) if you look at the Hub in question and its duplicate on the blog, it appears that they were both published on the same day. It very well could have been published here first and then posted on the blog awhile later?

          1. Aficionada profile image92
            Aficionadaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Don't try to be reasonable here, ktrapp. You will be accused of being a cheerleader, part of a team, a pet, or somehow unworthy of expressing an opinion.

            1. Shanna11 profile image89
              Shanna11posted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Let's see... I think I fit into all of those categories!
              Not worthy due to my age and religion, a pet of HP of course, part of the AP team and I've definitely been called a cheerleader. What a shame.

            2. ktrapp profile image90
              ktrappposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              That really made me laugh. lol

              Regarding latest Hubs which you asked about earlier, I don't believe there is an active link on any of the pages to it any longer. But you still can access it by going to: http://hubpages.com/hubs/latest/

              1. Aficionada profile image92
                Aficionadaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Thank you for the link! Do you and other Hubbers bookmark this? That is, is there any other way to navigate to it?

            3. Randy Godwin profile image94
              Randy Godwinposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              What great input, AF!  lol  Thanks for that.tongue

          2. aa lite profile image92
            aa liteposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            but, that is a very good point!  Even if the blog was published first, it probably wasn't indexed by the time the hub was published, so wouldn't have been caught by the filters.

            1. SimeyC profile image90
              SimeyCposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              This is a different discussion though - way back on page 1 - somewhere in the hazy past Randy actually was concerned about why this hub was featured quicker than one of his - he's been a member for three years, the author of the hub a member for 30 hours.

              Take out all the arguing, ranting, raving etc (from multiple people including me at some point) - then the question remains the true focus of this forum post!

          3. Randy Godwin profile image94
            Randy Godwinposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Cool, now explain how a newbie of only 14 hours has their hub instantly published while others of us have to wait up to 24 hours if the system works correctly.  This is the main point of the thread, KTrapp

          4. IzzyM profile image86
            IzzyMposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            I don't know if anyone has answered this, but when I saw the hub and the blog post - there was a 2 day difference, the blog post coming first.

            1. SimeyC profile image90
              SimeyCposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Still may not have been indexed on Google - hence the possibility of not being spotted by 'duplication' algorithms.

  28. kathleenkat profile image89
    kathleenkatposted 3 years ago

    Wow, 12 pages in the past day?

    Does anybody know if Simone even answered this? Not about to sift through 12 pages.

    1. Shanna11 profile image89
      Shanna11posted 3 years ago in reply to this

      No, she hasn't. But the board was posted on a Sunday night and today is a holiday, so it would be silly if Randy was expecting an answer within 24 hours.

      1. wilderness profile image97
        wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Oh, shoot.  I forgot that it's a holiday.  Wonder if HP observes it?

        1. Shanna11 profile image89
          Shanna11posted 3 years ago in reply to this

          President's Day is a national holiday, so I would think so.

          1. SimeyC profile image90
            SimeyCposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Hey - I work in corporate America and I don't get the day off - shhh I should be working not posting on the forum!

            1. wilderness profile image97
              wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              I've never had it off, either, which is why I always forget it.  Banks and govt., that's all I know that take it off.

              1. Shanna11 profile image89
                Shanna11posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                And schools....

            2. kathleenkat profile image89
              kathleenkatposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Yeah...me too... At least there was no traffic today big_smile

    2. aa lite profile image92
      aa liteposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Nope, she hasn't answered it.  I think she's away till tomorrow, so I wouldn't expect an answer till then at least.

      Many of the pages are filled with the most amusing insults and sarcastic remarks though, if you're into that kind of thing.

    3. bBerean profile image60
      bBereanposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      It was like a phenomenon yesterday.  The first 10 pages took roughly 5 hrs.  I can imagine the surprise for Simone.

      1. Shanna11 profile image89
        Shanna11posted 3 years ago in reply to this

        She's going to start leaving us with babysitters over the weekends...

        1. MelissaBarrett profile image62
          MelissaBarrettposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Maybe just slipping some Xanax into the water before she leaves...

        2. wilderness profile image97
          wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          You've got to stop that!  You're just keeping me in stitches reading your posts and the replies. big_smile

  29. Marcy Goodfleisch profile image93
    Marcy Goodfleischposted 3 years ago

    Somebody go find those pills from last night.  My head hurts.

    1. Shanna11 profile image89
      Shanna11posted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Say no to drugs Marcy.

      1. Marcy Goodfleisch profile image93
        Marcy Goodfleischposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        You're right, Shanna - just tossing in a bad joke here.

        1. Shanna11 profile image89
          Shanna11posted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Haha, I know. I was just tossing another back. smile

  30. Mark Ewbie profile image81
    Mark Ewbieposted 3 years ago

    Here's my contribution.

    Back when the Google problems hit it was blatantly clear to me.. anyone... that HP was being overrun by spammers, copiers and morons.  The poor content outweighed the good by 10 to 1.

    My suggestion was to stop new garbage entering the site.  It could have been achieved in a variety of ways - simply and effectively.

    This suggestion was ignored and Jason who was an HP employee at the time went out of his way to rubbish it.

    Fair enough.  It's 'their' site.

    ...

    For the most part I just get on with it now.  I have no problem with my idled hubs - they were mostly garbage anyway.  I want to just create the best content I can and try to make some money out of it.

    ...

    I have to agree with Randy though.  It is absolutely ridiculous that someone, and there are many, who have proved themselves not to be moronic, thieving, copying, spam merchants should be held back while the same old problem continues.

    Acquire fake ID, copy someone's work, post it on HP.  Repeat until caught and then start all over again. 

    Seems pretty obvious to me where the main problem lies.  SHUT the door - THEN start tidying.

    ...

    For the record - I like HP.  That's why I am still here.

    1. aa lite profile image92
      aa liteposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      I don't suppose that forum post with Jason rubbishing your ideas is still findable somewhere?  That would be very amusing to read now.

  31. kathleenkat profile image89
    kathleenkatposted 3 years ago

    Let's all agree that Shanna is a nice person who writes fairly well, shall we?

    Randy is also a nice person who writes well. Plus, I think he's funny smile


    I am making an effort to stop the douchebaggery, by stopping the douchebaggery of my posts.

    1. Shanna11 profile image89
      Shanna11posted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Eh. I'm only sometimes nice. But ONLY FAIRLY WELL? When I publish my first book I'll leave you a note at the end. "To Kathleen who only thought I wrote fairly well." wink

      Truth be told, I think Randy is an adorable, but prickly old pear. He's definitely fun to spar with. It also helps that I don't hold grudges and I only get snarky because I love witty comebacks.

      1. kathleenkat profile image89
        kathleenkatposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Prickly Pear, eh?
        http://www.ediblecommunities.com/blueridge/images/stories/articles/spring10/pricklypear.jpg

        You have always been nice to me. Sorry, you're just not Tolkien material...yet. wink

  32. healthylife2 profile image93
    healthylife2posted 3 years ago

    @Mary Goodfleisch...You have always been so kind and helpful since I joined HP seven months ago. It is people like you that have kept me here. I have considered applying for the AP because I don't have a clue how to do keyword research and this is my first time writing online. I'm impressed with those that were able to get through the program because it is a big commitment and requires excellent writing ability. Please don't waste your time on those few that choose to be unkind.Writers should be capable of an academic discussion without personally attacking anyone. I think the majority respect those that have completed the AP.

    1. Marcy Goodfleisch profile image93
      Marcy Goodfleischposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Thanks, HealthyLife - I appreciate your kind words.  I am thankful for what I learned from the AP experience, and I'd encourage anyone to go after the learning opportunity.  Also, much (maybe most, or all) of the information in the program is in the learning center. The AP just helps guide you through the learning in a logical way, and gives you extra sets of eyes to see how you're doing.

      1. healthylife2 profile image93
        healthylife2posted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Thanks for your help Mary! I need to take about a week and spend some time in the learning center. I haven't been there in quite a while. At the beginning I was just trying to learn the basics so it was overwhelming but I think now it will be a little easier to process information or at least I hope.

        1. Marcy Goodfleisch profile image93
          Marcy Goodfleischposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          I know what you mean - for years, I was published in settings where somebody else dealt with the SEO issues.  It's hard to even ask questions when you don't even know what's there to ask!

  33. aa lite profile image92
    aa liteposted 3 years ago

    Has anybody noticed that we've had an official response???!!!! Of sorts?

    1. Shanna11 profile image89
      Shanna11posted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Wait, what? You mean we weren't all just gathered here to fling mud for fun?

      1. kathleenkat profile image89
        kathleenkatposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        I'm discouraged. I enjoy a good mud fling. I also enjoy rolling in the dirt.

  34. Mark Ewbie profile image81
    Mark Ewbieposted 3 years ago

    http://s1.hubimg.com/u/7701448_f248.jpg

    1. wilderness profile image97
      wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      lol

    2. 0
      Motown2Chitownposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Ah, Ewbie. 

      I love you, man.

      1. Hollie Thomas profile image61
        Hollie Thomasposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Mark has talent! How the bloody hell does he manage to draw stick men that actually look like they are running?

  35. 2uesday profile image88
    2uesdayposted 3 years ago

    If that is how it works - as per the official post then is there is a glitch as I can see a hub published 15 mins.ago.
    Or have I misunderstood something?

  36. ktrapp profile image90
    ktrappposted 3 years ago

    Randy, I do think your original question is legitimate and I hope you get a response to it.

    However, I really do feel compelled to speak my mind about the turn this forum and others have taken lately. None of this is directed at anyone specifically and is probably a bit of a lecture on my part. Read it or ignore it; it doesn't matter to me.

    For numerous years I worked as a web designer, typing each and every line of code by hand, no Wordpress etc. or any other tool available today to do the heavy lifting for me. I programmed websites to read and write to databases and put together some really decent websites back in the day. What I did on my own doesn't compare to what HubPages has put together! Because of my experience on the back end of sites, I have a real appreciation for this front end tool HP has put together for us to use. The complexities of adding to and editing a seven year old site trying to keep up with ever-changing Internet expectations are just that, complex.

    And while there are many valid questions about QAP and the idling process, I think a real appreciation and respect for the system that is in place for us to use for a percentage of ad revenue, as well as the people working on it, is being lost. I guess I really don't care if my Hubs are published a few hours later than I would like. In the humungous scheme of things, it does not matter! I guess I don't care if a Hub of mine that is getting close to zero traffic gets idled. In the humungous scheme of things, it does not make a difference! I can choose to blame others or take a look at the three fingers pointing back at me and get to work fixing my shortcomings. I choose to do the latter - it usually pays off.

    The fact of the matter is, the Internet and the technologies to access it are always changing. That means if you're going to use it, either as a contributor or as a surfer, it's up to you to keep up with the latest ways of doing things. I'm honestly tired of people blaming HP or Google for their traffic issues. Google may change their algorithms from time-to-time, but they have never changed their goal of attempting to provide the best search results. HP tries to offer guidance as best they can on what Google expects, because our success is their success. But they cannot guarantee what we write or the title we use will work. In the end, that is all up to us.

    I guess I'm just rambling on and on, but I just think a lot of people are losing sight of the fact that this is a really sophisticated system we are using. If we fail, then HubPages fails. So why on Earth would they do anything that is not in our best interest?

    1. SimeyC profile image90
      SimeyCposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      I bought this up earlier in the thread - I have coding that has been established for three or four years on an internal website - and yet I am still finding bugs today - it's the nature of the beast....

      ..it's not necessarily what is happening here though!!!

      1. ktrapp profile image90
        ktrappposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Well, I guess I missed that earlier in this 20-page thread, but I wasn't talking about bugs - at all. You lost me there.

        1. SimeyC profile image90
          SimeyCposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          I didn't explain myself properly - I understand the nature and complexity of the evolving coding requirements of the web - just the changes to standardize things have been mega complex recently - so bugs will crop up - and with the amount of coding required they may not appear for years - or are very difficult to isolate.

          1. ktrapp profile image90
            ktrappposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Ahh, yes. Very true. I guess that's why the little things don't bother me, and these are little things in the big scheme.

    2. Randy Godwin profile image94
      Randy Godwinposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      So where do you get the inside information from to back your claims of HP doing the responsible thing. Ktrapp?  And where was these responsible people when we warned them Google was going to penalize HP for all of the junk still on the site today?  It sounds as if you are merely guessing but I'm sure you would not do this on this thread, would you?

      So you must have an inside track to info others of us aren't privy to in this case.  So I may be better off asking you questions rather than Simone?  Good to know!  smile

      1. Marisa Wright profile image92
        Marisa Wrightposted 3 years ago in reply to this

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        1. Randy Godwin profile image94
          Randy Godwinposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          I don't see how my asking her how she knows so much about the inside goings-on is in any way offensive, Marisa.  She made the statement without being prodded, did she not?

          1. Marisa Wright profile image92
            Marisa Wrightposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            I just got back here after reading another post accusing you of hostility and condescension.  I'm just sayin', I can see what they mean. 

            I'm reading this thread and I'm seeing some posters trying to take a more even-handed view. Instead of pointing out where they 're wrong and why, you jump down their throats.  I think you need to step back for a minute and consider that they might not be paid lackeys of HubPages.  They may just be nice people, who think it's important to look at both sides of a question.

            You're angry at HubPages.  That's fine and justified.  Don't take it out on other people, it doesn't do you credit.

            1. Randy Godwin profile image94
              Randy Godwinposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              I'll take your advice for what it's worth, Marisa.

              1. Marisa Wright profile image92
                Marisa Wrightposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                See what I mean?  You mean that sarcastically, I'm sure.  Proved my point.  And KTrapp was not claiming to know the inside workings of HP - she was using the analogy of her own experience to say that she could appreciate the difficulties of running a large site.

                1. ktrapp profile image90
                  ktrappposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Thanks for having my back, Marisa. And thanks for "getting" my analogy. It takes a lot to ruffle my feathers so I can see that Randy and others are clearly upset so I guess my long-winded analogy was like pouring fuel on the fire. smile

                  1. MelissaBarrett profile image62
                    MelissaBarrettposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Anything that isn't "hp sux" is going to piss them off.  I wouldn't sweat it too much.

                2. Randy Godwin profile image94
                  Randy Godwinposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Should I automatically take your advice, Marisa?  Do I have a choice in the matter?  You voluntarily injected yourself into this thread with no encouragement from myself or anyone else.  Where do you get off playing policeman for this thread?  I mean really?  Who do you think you are?

                  1. Marisa Wright profile image92
                    Marisa Wrightposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Again, you're proving my point. The purpose of my original post was to give you a gentle nudge in the ribs, because I felt you were letting your natural anger at HubPages overflow. You are a nice guy and it pains me to see you being nasty to people who don't deserve it - it's only going to make enemies of perfectly reasonable people.

                    Your response has been to be equally sarcastic to me. Of course you don't have to take my advice, but you don't have to reject it in a nasty, supercilious fashion.  You can just ignore it, or say you disagree with me.

          2. ktrapp profile image90
            ktrappposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Seriously, did you mean to respond to me or someone else, because I didn't say anything about the inside goings-on? It's OK though; I'm just sorry you and others seem so upset about all this.

      2. ktrapp profile image90
        ktrappposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        You might want to re-read my post because I never once discussed responsibility or doing the responsible thing.

        But now that you bring it up, I think the brunt of the responsibility for our success or failure, in terms of getting traffic, has more to do with us as individual content providers than it does HP as a whole. If we did not have sub-domains I may feel differently, but that isn't the case.

        Clearly there are some objectionable sub-domains and low quality writing/grammar around, but none of that appears to have impacted MY sub-domain. I don't like that it exists, but I really don't feel that it is bringing HP down as a whole. That statement is based on MY experience here. I have 60 something Hubs, earn regularly, and have well over 200K page views in my 19 months here, in case you need some facts to understand why I don't feel that my sub-domain is being punished.

        Maybe Google is punishing HP for some of the gunk that exists, I really can't claim to know one way or another for FACT and neither can you.

        I don't claim to have any "inside track" or anything like that. I have many years of experience with web design and SEO and I was lucky to have that knowledge when I came here. I read a lot about these things outside of HP and have for many, many years. Google's official blog offers up great information that I attempt to put to good use, here and other places. All I can do is impact my own sub-domain, help others if they ask for it, and hope that HP is working their hardest to keep their site favorable in the eyes of Google. I have no reason to doubt that they would try to shoot themselves in their own foot.

  37. SimeyC profile image90
    SimeyCposted 3 years ago

    I believe there is a problem with HP's clocks - I've been on and off this site all day and I could swear that one of the hubs showing up having been published very recently has been visible all day on my feed - therefore was published over 8 hours ago - I may be wrong and going senile....


    ...even on my feed it is showing as being published 2 hours earlier than the 'latest' list shows...

  38. Randy Godwin profile image94
    Randy Godwinposted 3 years ago

    Congratulations everyone, Shanna especially.  Summerberrie has been banned from the forums.  Funny how some get banned for insulting others while others do not.  Hmmmm!  Nothing new there!  tongue

    1. Shanna11 profile image89
      Shanna11posted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Dude, I didn't report anyone and it wasn't my goal to see her banned. I'm sorry to hear she's been banned, but I am in no way responsible for the things she chose to say. I am only responsible for myself. Don't blame me.

      1. Randy Godwin profile image94
        Randy Godwinposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Oh I won't, Shanna.  Unless you don't get banned yourself, that is.  smile  If you don't, then there is clearly a double standard at play here.  Let's wait and see, shall we?  tongue

        1. Shanna11 profile image89
          Shanna11posted 3 years ago in reply to this

          I dunno. I don't think either of us is an objective judge in deciding who deserves to be banned or not. If I get banned, I'll humbly accept my fate and then go do calc homework or something. Not really a big deal in my book.

      2. MelissaBarrett profile image62
        MelissaBarrettposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        +1

        When people get banned it is because of their own actions.  Some people can't accept that and choose to blame others though.

      3. IzzyM profile image86
        IzzyMposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        What she said was mild compared to what you said. You later backtracked a little and said you were jesting. You openly admitted that you were trying to wind several hubbers up, so that you get could some 'narky' comments in, 'all in good fun' of course.
        You are fooling no-one.
        You personally managed to side-line a perfectly relevant query by going off-topic, which is frowned upon by most well-run forums.
        It really is one rule for one, and a different rule for others on this site. Personal attacks are still personal attacks even if said to get a reaction.
        You are responsible for SB getting banned. Endof.

        1. Randy Godwin profile image94
          Randy Godwinposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          +1000

        2. MelissaBarrett profile image62
          MelissaBarrettposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          You might be right that both deserve to be banned...maybe  But you are not correct in saying that SB got banned because of Shanna.  No one held a gun to SB's head.

          Two separate issues.

    2. EmpressFelicity profile image83
      EmpressFelicityposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Blimey. This place really reminds me of Etsy.

    3. Aficionada profile image92
      Aficionadaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Why are you seemingly implying that someone in this thread reported summerberrie? This thread is specifically directed at HP staff, meaning that you hope someone from the staff will read it. And if /when they do, and if/when they feel that any Hubber has crossed a line, should they look the other way?

      I for one am very sorry summerberrie was banned. I don't think she was the one deserving the ban, but as you said, I still have a lot of skills to work on. hmm

  39. Mark Ewbie profile image81
    Mark Ewbieposted 3 years ago

    Sorry, but I can't help myself..
    http://s3.hubimg.com/u/7701642_f248.jpg

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      Motown2Chitownposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Mark, Mark, Mark.

      I wish I could speak in pictures.

  40. Randy Godwin profile image94
    Randy Godwinposted 3 years ago

    No, not try, but accidentally shooting oneself in the foot is entirely possible.  I had over 500,000 views over a year and a half ago on 70 articles.  Now over 100--once 120--and I've only 600,000 views now.  If you go through what many of us have you will certainly change your tune.  I promise!  I hope you don't experience what we have though!  smile

    1. ktrapp profile image90
      ktrappposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      That's very understandable. There definitely was a change post-Panda and I joined here post, just as sub-domains were being created. So it's easy to see where your frustration comes from. One thing I've noticed is that CPMs are much lower now than when I first started (probably about 33% of what I used to see). I'm sure you've noted that as well. I hope things go the way you want them to again soon.

  41. Randy Godwin profile image94
    Randy Godwinposted 3 years ago

    I thought you were telling me how things were done at HP? No?  I suppose you were talking about your own site then.  Sorry!

  42. Paul Edmondson profile image
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    Paul Edmondsonposted 3 years ago

    Hello.  Sorry it took me so long to respond.  I've been on the road going on vacation with my family.  Phones don't work that well in the mountains.

    I want to clear a up a few things.

    1.  New Hubbers go through the QAP.  With Paul Deeds help we think we see the Hub Randy referred to titled - What Is the Best Plumbing Advice Homeowners Can Get ?  Based on our data, the Hubber signed up about 37 hours from the time I'm posting this.  The Hub was published at 2013-02-17 03:09:55 and featured at 2013-02-17 15:20:29.  So it was a little over 12 hours after it was published that it was featured. 

    2.  Our dupe checker had an operational issue. The Hub in question was a duplicate.  So, it has since gone through the dupe checking process and been removed.

    3.  There are a small number of Hubbers (not new) that get featured immediately.  We want to get everyone featured more quickly.  Initially we were at 24 hours.  The vast majority are at 12 hours now.  I believe we can get it down more.

    We updated the learning center to help make this more clear. http://hubpages.com/learningcenter/Featured-Hubs.

    1. Randy Godwin profile image94
      Randy Godwinposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      So if the hub listed on the "latest hubs" says published 31 minutes ago it was only featured 31 minutes ago?  When I checked the hubbers time since joined it said 14 hours.  Apparently I'm not included in the "vast majority" then Paul, as my latest hub took 22 hours to be featured.  So why does a new writer get featured quicker than I do?  And what criteria decides who gets published instantly?  Thanks!

    2. Marcy Goodfleisch profile image93
      Marcy Goodfleischposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Paul -

      Thanks for answering the question raised on this very energetic series of posts.

      Related to one thing you said - you confirmed what I have heard, that a small number of 'not new' Hubbers have their work approved automatically.  I respect the site's authority in making those decisions and determining which writers fall into that group.  But can you shed any light on what one can do to reach that status?  Thanks!

      1. wilderness profile image97
        wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Thinking back to posts from some time ago, it seems that a few hubbers are being used as test subjects of some kind for additional work on the system.  It was those hubbers that were being given a "bye" to the system.

        It is thus not a "status" to be achieved, but more along the lines in being an involuntary participant in a beta test, albeit a nice one with no negatives (so far as I have heard, anyway).

        At least that what I remember - could be wrong.

        1. SmartAndFun profile image92
          SmartAndFunposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          I asked about this earlier and IIRC Paul E said they were collecting data on all of us, and once they have enough data collected on a writer, they will use that data to determine whether or not they would allow that person into the group that gets to publish immediately. I don't know if they've collected any data on me or not, or if maybe they've rejected me from ever belonging to that group.

          1. janderson99 profile image85
            janderson99posted 3 years ago in reply to this

            The Bard is a pet! Such irony! Good on him! His stuff is great.

          2. wilderness profile image97
            wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            I didn't see that post.  The one I refer to was quite a while ago, not long after the system was put into effect. Somebody figured out that a few people didn't have to wait, began screaming about HP's pets and that was the answer.  A small group being used as guinea pigs in their efforts to reduce the time necessary.

            1. Randy Godwin profile image94
              Randy Godwinposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              How does one "scream" on the forums without using caps, Wilderness?  I'd be interested to know.  Might come in handy someday.  Please give me an example.  tongue

              1. wilderness profile image97
                wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                You've managed quite well without using them.  Check your posts here to figure out how.

                1. Randy Godwin profile image94
                  Randy Godwinposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  No, you give me an example, wilderness.  You've made a lot of accusations in my direction, mostly to someone else though.  So spell it out for me if you can.

                  1. wilderness profile image97
                    wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    How about this:
                    "How is this not an insult to myself and many other Hubbers who have never had any problem getting published but have to wait up to 24 hours or more now.

                    I'd like a concise answer and if you don't know, then find the heck out.  Ask Paul E. if you don't know  This is an outrage for me to have to wait so long when a newbie gets almost instantly published.  This is an insult and very disrespectful to many veterans of this site and we deserve better from you guys."

                    No attempt at civility, just a declaration that it is in insult and a demand to know how it is not an insult without ever knowing if it was even intentional. 

                    No?   How about "you after posting my response to the little girl" or " the cheerleaders berate me for asking such a question of their mentor-in-chief"?  Language designed to produce coherent and useful answers, right?

                    Still no good?  Then try "This system is a definite failure and whoever designed it should be kicked off the site" or "What problem is it of yours, Melissa?  You got a dog in this hunt"

                    All language whose only meaning is "Randy is mad" and nothing more.  Useless for any real discussion, useless to elicit any cooperation and useless to find any solutions to problems perceived or real.  Screaming into the night from frustration.

    3. janderson99 profile image85
      janderson99posted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Thanks for the Clarification Paul
      Can you clarify the information for this hub (latest)

      How to Get Rid of Crickets Inside Your Home
      by Barbara Kay  published 47 minutes ago


      You said it's featured. Has it been through QAP?  in 47 minutes?
      If not, how has its QAP score been determined?

      Perhaps it has been featured, prior to going through QAP, because the author is 'trusted'.

      Thanks,

  43. Randy Godwin profile image94
    Randy Godwinposted 3 years ago

    So how does the time on the "instant featured" Hubbers appear on the latest hubs?  I know several who have this privilege--not all older Hubbers either-- and theirs are listed as being published in minutes also on the "latest hubs" page.  Just as the hub I pointed out on this thread.  So the listing is confusing.  Why not list the time when the hubs are "featured" on the LH page then to avoid confusion?

    So let me get this straight, Paul.  On the LH page when habee, froggy, bard, or others publish a hub what does the time indicate, published or featured?  And what did the newbies time of 31 minutes indicate, featured, correct?

  44. Cardisa profile image90
    Cardisaposted 3 years ago

    I tried to sift through all the comments but my eyes are tired so here is my addition.

    I think hubs get featured faster based on their search-ability, the keywords and type of content. Apparently the "duplicate" hub was a well searched keyword, hence a faster feature time. Non-the-less that proves that new hubbers should go through a waiting period before their hubs get featured regardless of the type of hub they publish. The fact that a duplicate hub published by a newbie gets featured in so little time means HP needs to do more to secure the reputation of the site. Hubbers with a proven track record should be given the lead on this one.

    @ Marcy. I think the hubbers that get featured immediately are those who get a high amount of traffic or those showing potential for higher earnings. Again this this just my assumption as I don't have proof of this.

    1. IzzyM profile image86
      IzzyMposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      No, you are wrong. I know of many quality hubbers who are held back in the queue. I know you are one of those who is allowed instant featuring. Know not why.

      1. Cardisa profile image90
        Cardisaposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Neither do I Izzy, as I said I don't have proof, just an assumption and I think it has to do with traffic...as I mentioned.

  45. Randy Godwin profile image94
    Randy Godwinposted 3 years ago

    Well?  Is Paul coming back to clear up the other stuff?  Or is he still on the road?  I have a few more questions I'd like to ask.

    1. SimeyC profile image90
      SimeyCposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Randy there was actually a pretty decent anwer in a different thread - it probably won't answer the questions the way we'd like but it is an explanation.

      See http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/109640#post2333723

      While I know we can argue for days about whether this is the right or wrong method - this is the first time I've ever seen something that is more tangible than most of the answers we get. I know you want honesty - and for once, while we may not like every word, I do suspect there's quite a lot of honesty in there....

      1. wilderness profile image97
        wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Thanks, Simey - that was the information (although not the same post) I was referring to earlier.

  46. IzzyM profile image86
    IzzyMposted 3 years ago

    Maybe it's just me, but I see nothing wrong with the quotes you refer to.
    A little bit of frustration shows in his posts, but Randy is one of the nicest guys on this site.
    I really fail to see why he was attacked on so many sides by people I used to have a lot of time for. Why can't you all show him the respect his dedication to the site deserves, and be a little less condescending in your replies to his comments?

    1. Randy Godwin profile image94
      Randy Godwinposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Thanks Izzy, I knew they would come out of the woodwork if I re-entered the forums.  Same old same old! lol

    2. MelissaBarrett profile image62
      MelissaBarrettposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      *Shrugs* I can't speak for anyone else but he gave me crap and I handed it back to him.  Now we both know how we feel about each other.

      1. Randy Godwin profile image94
        Randy Godwinposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        lol Now we know where we both stand, Melissa!  tongue

  47. SimeyC profile image90
    SimeyCposted 3 years ago

    Randy = did you notice that your objective question on the other forum got a detailed answer - it may not be the answer you wanted but at least it was a decent reply...

    1. MelissaBarrett profile image62
      MelissaBarrettposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      He'll say he cornered them and they had to respond... and that PE is still spinning.

      1. SimeyC profile image90
        SimeyCposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Actually in this case I'll defend Randy - I asked him to ask a question without any agression etc. and see if he gained a response - he did exactly that. It wasn't a question that pointedly forced HP to answer, and was a very fair question.

        1. MelissaBarrett profile image62
          MelissaBarrettposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          You may be right.

      2. Randy Godwin profile image94
        Randy Godwinposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        I can speak for myself, Melissa.  No need to try and put words in my mouth.  You've done enough of that already.  Don't you have some nickles to earn somewhere?  tongue

  48. paradigmsearch profile image89
    paradigmsearchposted 3 years ago

    Per a comment from the infamy hub...

    Happy Birthday, Summerberrie! I hope you stay around for many more. smile smile smile

    http://cossdotblog.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/SDOT-birthday-cake.jpg

    1. Marcy Goodfleisch profile image93
      Marcy Goodfleischposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      +1,000!!!

    2. IzzyM profile image86
      IzzyMposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      I didn't realise what the cake was for!

      Happy birthday, summerberrie smile
      May you have many more smile

  49. donotfear profile image90
    donotfearposted 3 years ago

    Whoooooa!  Another HP ping pong tournament going on now!


    http://www.angryasianman.com/images/angry/pingpongplaya_giveaway.jpg

  50. Paul Edmondson profile image
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    Paul Edmondsonposted 3 years ago

    So we  found a caching bug that is showing a published time that is closer to the featured time than it actually is.  It takes some special circumstances to occur, but it looks possible according to Deeds.  He'll fix it and we will keep an eye on it.  But, the true time from published to featured was 12 hours.

    @Randy Godwin - It possible to get through the QAP quicker at certain times because of capacity in the system.  The Hub in question was published at 3am when our queues were shorter.    When lots of Hubs get published in a short period (happens) it takes longer to get through the queue.

    1. Randy Godwin profile image94
      Randy Godwinposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Mine still took 22 hours to be featured.  I'll sure test it out soon and tell you what I find, Paul.  Thanks for the info!  smile

 
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