I had a hub pulled for adult content... Ive read thru this puppy a few times and I really have a hard time believing it's too offensive. I have seen hubs on how to masturbate where they go into a bit of detail. If they have a section for romantic intimacy, this can't really be pushing the limits can it?
You stare at my eyes as I sit looking at the darkening clouds.
A drop of water falls on my face.
You put your hand on mine, then rest it on your thigh.
The pond begins to ripple from the droplets.
You tuck my hair behind my ear, I quiver at your touch.
The wind lifts the hem of my dress.
You kiss my neck and whisper my name low in my ear.
The skies open up, the rain begins to fall.
You stand to your feet and pull me tight against your body.
A lightening bolt cracks across the sky!
Your mouth covers mine, I can barely catch my breath.
The cold air licks my skin.
You dip me back, your mouth blazes a southern trail.
We are completely drenched by the torrent.
You lay me on the ground, your body heavy on mine.
A small current rushes beneath, still we remain.
Not only is this hot and beautiful all in one, but I kept waiting for the kicker. I'm not seeing it. I tried to scrutinize it as much as I could and I really can't see what would have set it off. Quite frankly I think some of my silly poems have worse wording/language than this.
Maybe the guy that sits in the assessment booth didn't like the funny feeling he got when reading this? People fear the unknown ;-)
lol... is there a guy like that left in the world? I actually wondered if a certain nameless someone might be reporting my hubs cause its happened a few times lately. (And thank you btw, Cat. )
Yes, but usually they are 11 ;-)
I don't know, it could be, but I'd like to think you'd be safe from someone just simply clicking a flag on your hub... I would hope there would have to be something to warrant pulling it and in this case, I'm just not seeing it.
Hi Beth. As a poet myself who have had my work flagged for being too adult, I cam honestly say that this just that.
The first lines are clearly leading to something quite intimate. I believe that "your body heavy on mine", "You stand to your feet and pull me tight against your body" may be the lines which are causing the problem.
This could also be a matter of being manually moderated as well as real people can read between the lines.
What I have done is just publish my poems on my own blog and remove all writings that could be considered adult just to be within the guidelines.
So are the guidelines then "things you can read between the lines?"
Cause you could use those same words in a different kind of story and they wouldn't be provocative at all. I don't know... my pony tails too tight, Im getting a head ache. lol
No that's what I meant at all. I meant when a human moderates a hub they see things which the automated system cannot see. It is clear from reading the poem that it is a very sensual poem with hints about sex. So it would stand to reason that your hub might have been manually moderated.
Yes, it was. I have had several poems manually moderated. Not sure how I got so lucky.
I think what happens is when the moderators find a writer who writes a certain way they tend to go through all their work to make sure they comply with the rules. Just change around a few things so it still hot but not so obvious. For example:
"We sink to the earth as we become one" OR "The earth becomes my cushion as we are brought together in love"
instead of "You lay me on the ground, your body heavy on mine."
You are basically saying the same thing but a little more fluffy...lol
if it makes you feel better,... i like the original,... keep it,... publish it elsewhere,... its great
Thank you so much. I can keep it here, I just can't earn anything off it... not like Im really earning much anyway.
indeed,... i dont think any of us write poetry because we think we'll get rich writing poetry! lol!.... you gota write dumbed down how-to articles re; mundane silliness to make money here,.... meanwhile,.... never forget that people still recite longfellow and poe,.... but not ONE TWISTED TORMENTED SOUL will be reciting word for word the article desribing how to build a dry erase board..... keep writing poetry,... because it pleases you,... because it touches others.
Very nice, as well as quite the romantic poem. The only verse that I could figure, that would raise a red flag to me, would be the one right before the last one. Otherwise can't figure the adult content part out. I have one romantic poem-"two forks apart" which I thought had a few steamy verses in it myself, intertwined within the main plot.
A similar thing happened to me on a mathematical puzzle that used a certain non-family-friendly buzzword too many times. I kept a stiff upper lip, and sanitized it. But I did keep the (already sanitary) Nina Hartley picture.
That said, I did not find anything objectionable in your hub. At times, HP goes overboard on the family values bit. Apparently, someone forgot to eat his bran flakes at breakfast this morning.
Well, I think it is a great piece of work Beth!
I'm not really sure about the sexual imagery side... for sure there may be hints towards it but if you start cutting pieces like this because of hints, it is a bit of a slippery slope and very subjective... it is a couple in the middle of a storm, if people want to read more into it, it is their business... I don't think it should have been cut
Beth37 I think it was nice yeah it had a hint of steam to it but nothing that was so out there that it had to be pulled I have read other hubs on here that had more sexual remarks than that but that just my view on it.
Hi! I haven't seen you post on the forum before. Nice to see you here, even if you didn't bring any food with you.
Beth37 I read it over and I fail to see how it's explicit enough to be pulled. I've written and implied worse subjects and I still haven't been pulled. I rather enjoyed it. Just enough steam to make a good romance without going over the top with detail. You might want to talk to the HubPages people about it.
Beth, you did say that he rested his hand on "his thigh," not yours. I liked your poem, but I could see the indicators why it was judged as adult content by someone's standards--not mine though. Quite frankly, what I don't like to see in hubs are the F-word and other swearing terms like sh*t, both of which I have seen.
Hmmm. The last two lines minus a couple syllables would make a wonderful Haiku.
Having recently suffered at the hands of 'manual' moderation myself, I can't help but feel there is a heightened sensitivity towards any topic that is in the least bit sexually orientated.
Whilst I appreciate that we must adhere to Google's terms and conditions for advertising, there is definitely some over zealous moderation being undertaken at the moment which borders on censorship.
The constitutional right of free speech doesn't extend to web content writers, it would seem!!
I've noticed HubPages seems to be especially twitchy about adult content lately and I think I know why.
One of their competitors, Wizzley, lost all Adsense advertising on their site for several weeks recently. All because one of their members had uploaded a graphic image.
We've always talked about "be careful what you publish because you could lose your Adsense", but I suspect we all thought it would never happen - until it did.
Obviously it was a hairy few weeks but fortunately Wizzley was able to get things sorted out and got Adsense back, but it must have been a hefty blow to the site (and its members weren't too happy with the loss of income either!). I can't blame HP for being ultra-careful since then.
We all have to remember that it's not HP that's the prude, it's Adsense, which seems to live in the 1950's (if not the Victorian era). But I must say, since Adsense filters mainly check for "naughty words", I can't see why they would have a problem with this poem.
Beth it happened to me on a hub I wrote about toys..turned out it was an Ebay ad . The one I put up was sold so Ebay put up another ..it was for playing cards..but the playing cards were sex positions....
I thought it was nicely written and was crafty in the way that it is sensual but not graphic. Anyone who isn't mature enough to get it or understand what you were saying indirectly in the last line isn't going to be harmed by this poem. No harm, no foul. Not sure why this was pulled.
"You stand to your feet and pull me tight against your body."
That was probably the most "sexual" part of the poem. I don't see anything wrong with it. Maybe this made the reviewer get a boner and he didn't like it.
I personally don't think its too offensive at all! I've seen much worse. I actually think it's quite beautiful actually.
I dont think its offensive as well, its seems quite sensual but in a non obscene way.
I believe that anything on a PUBLIC site with ADULT content is truly PORN. YOU need to re-think some things.
Yupperclub --- I believe that you might have some anger-management issues and if you speak the same way that you write, you probably give everybody a headache... it's better not to vent those issues onto others though.
As for porn --- it's not porn, it's not a video or a magazine... you could call it erotic fiction which was inappropriate, explicit or even indecent (none of which I think applies, however) but it's not porn...
Before you correct other peoples' use of English, you should put your own house in order.
Yupperclub --- I don't knock people because what you do is your own choice and freedom of speech is free in this world but I think you do not watch to much T.V because there is more inappropriate content there then what Beth37 wrote to me your way out of line and just looking for something to complain about.
yay, I used one word sensual and got it. lol with ads and didn't have nothing to do with anything bad.
i think it's key words you use in your poem that are related to what the consider sensual content.
can't be bothered with this bull...totally unrelated to post, poor grammar and just ridiculous. No you cannot have even 2 cents....
Whoa, I'm all for constructive criticism but don't you think that was a little too harsh?
hmm...go look at your profile yupper, spelling incorrect on disabled. Well I guess as writers we're all capable of typo's and bad grammar at some point. lol
I'll bet you get invited to a lot of parties.
Hey there yupperclub, take it easy. HP will work best if you grab some followers. Many would love to help out, but you need to chill out.
I really don't see what the fuss is about your poem. I find it quite romantic.
Yes, I agree with Damian, Yupperclub... perhaps it's you who needs to rethink some things, this is in no way porn, its a beautiful expression of feeling and love, Well done, Beth
Truth be told I don't read and comment on much poetry because I have difficulty understanding different meanings the writer is trying to convey. However, I do appreciate expressions of feelings, thoughts and dreams. Writing, no matter what genre, is to be treasured. I have read your poem and on a personal level found it to be full of deep feelings and emotions. It was sensuous in tone, but certainly not vulgar or offensive. Instead, I thought your words formed a beautiful image, full of emotional innuendo. I thought the whole idea of writing poetry was to fill a reader's mind with interpretation? Again, I see no reason why your lovely words have been censored.
Wow. I am totally blown away by every ones kind words... well almost every one. lol
I almost wrote a disclaimer on my original post asking for everyone to take it easy on me cause I thought I was gonna get a lot of harsh criticism, and instead you've all been so supportive. Thank you so much! (Yupperclub is just a troll, I realized that yesterday... no big deal.)
It sounds beautiful to me! It is quite hot, but not enough to offend. It isn't graphic in a pornographic way. HP must be very sensitive to those kinds of things.
how the fuck do you know what I do or what I choose in mine own life. I am not one of the gouls.
Well there are various options. Narrowing it down to two most logical, sanitize it as others have suggested, or post it to your website. The thing is, if you post it to your website, think first about the implications of - if HP finds it touchy, do you really want it on your website? I am not saying that whomever moderated got it right. Just saying that it's something to ponder... you know?
Great job on the poem.
I found nothing to offend here at all. I found your most current randy poem to be even more, um, direct than this. Have you received any flack for that? Censorship-by-whimsy is frustrating. Grrr.
For the love of Pete!!
The hang-ups in this society about all things sexy and sexual have just gone way too far.
1) why is it "okay" to use sex all over the place to sell stuff--(does the guy shopping for a new motorcycle really think it comes with the bikini-clad hot babe?)--but "not okay" to describe a loving moment in such absolutely beautiful poetry?
2) Countries that are more open about sexuality have far LOWER rates of so-called "sex crimes." That is to say, where sex is not treated as a crime, there is no need for criminal prosecution of same; i.e., you can't get busted for a sex crime or "indecent exposure" if you get caught short and have to take a leak a the side of a roadway, like you can in the "good-ol' " US of A.... Also victimless activities, (such in countries/counties/states) where prostitution is legal, eliminates so-called 'sex-crime' statistics for the world's "oldest profession." (And no, I'm not talking about true criminal activities such as violence (e.g., rapes or pedophilia!)
3) When trying to "clean things up," why is it equally "bad" (or more ridiculous yet), "worse" to use clinical anatomically correct words??!!
4) Why is it "okay" to show all kinds of war movies, alien sci-fi moves, "documentaries" about violent acts--complete with graphic blood, guts and gore, but heaven forbid we should see or hear about two people enjoying a loving moment?
Our priorities are completely backwards here! As far as the parental-freak-out "OMG..what if the children see or hear about this?????!!!" All I have to say is "Get real, and get a grip!" From the time my kids were very young, I've always said I'd rather have them witness a moment or few of caring lovemaking in a movie or TV show, than to have them watch people being shot up with guns!
Finally, folks--addressed to whomever is in charge of 'moderating'--GET A CLUE!! if it were not for SEX, not one of us would even be here!!! We are not amoebas; we don't reproduce asexually by mitosis! Remember, so-called 'filth' (just like beauty) is in the eye of the beholder.
SEX is not a "bad word." We ARE sexual beings; it is a basic part of who we are. I guess some people don't like that; they are too hung-up to be reminded that we, too are animals, (mammals, to be exact, and we share the same top 4 biological classifications as all other members of that group, from horses to cats, dogs and any other mammal); that sex is a basic animal instinct. We are not "higher" or "better than" any other animal--it is just human egocentric attitudes causing this entire strain of illogical thinking!
Death to censorship! Long live sex; long live our species!
Total concurrence. It is a beautiful, sensual poem. Sensuality is a beautiful thing.
I think we all agree. I think HubPages management probably agrees, too. But HubPages cannot survive without Adsense, so it must kow tow to Google, and they seem to be stuck in the 1950's.
So your rant should be directed at Google, not here - though good luck finding a way to get them to pay the slightest bit of attention!
It's just a matter of being able to find the person(s) in charge over at "The Big G," so that the rant/slap upside the head can be delivered to the appropriate place!
So true. They make it impossible - I wonder why???
I would think that the owners of any corporation are supposed to be public knowledge--especially for publicly traded corporations... but, somehow, they still manage to hide...
Here is the lookup info for Google on "whois," and there are NO names...only a server company. I'm sure it can be further traced by anyone who cares to take the time....
http:// www. whois.com/whois/ google.com ((take out the extra spaces to create a functional link...)
There are telephone numbers given, as well as for a further search on their domain server...but ditto there--phone numbers only--no names...hmmmm
I think you're right about Google AdSense and I can see the connection why sites have to be careful so they don't lose Adsense. But what's funny about Google is you can put adult content on Blogger, for instance, but you have to be careful not to monetize with adsense or else you will violate adsense TOS. It's not against Google blogger rules to put up very adult content though. It's only their advertising end which forbids it.
Nothing offensive at all. HP is crazy sometimes. I had ads pulled on a picture hub about weird looking fruits and veggies. They just happen to be fruits that mostly looked liked body parts. So it is a "read between the lines" kind of thing.
I agree. This is beautiful and sensual. I do not see why it was pulled. The imagery with the water is fantastic.
I'll take a stab at this one... Have you pissed anyone off lately? Because I think one of two things have happened. My first guess would be that you were selected for a random manual reading rather than being run through an automatic word catching program (as you didn't swear or use any explicit words or even slang.) The second thing that may have happened is you did go through an automatic censor but around the same time someone who took offense to your poem or who just wants to rile you up flagged it and made sure it did go through a manual reading - at which point the poem became obvious and the reader cried in anguish, "Oh my god! It has sexual content! RUN!"
So all that being said.... stop writing porn. (And I'll try to stop swearing and making references to medical conditions and anatomy...) PS You don't really want to get tagged multiple times or they will start reading everything you post manually. If you know something is going to be a problem there is always the option of taking off the ads yourself. You won't be paid for it but it'll still be up to potentially move traffic to your other Hubs. Good luck!
Holy cow, Ive really started something here. Sorry to rile so many feathers.
I have heard back from HPs. I asked if it was a specific word or line they said no, it was the overall content... so...
Then there is another person hounding me by leaving really unkind comments on my hubs cause he/she feels you can't be a Christian and be sexual, although having four kids, I can assure you, it is possible. He/she has been writing me by email etc and Ive asked them to put a cap on it... I don't think they have learned the crusades are over. And now the trolly dude on this thread. IDK, I think I am a troll magnet.
You all have been awesome. Ive gotten great info from everyone and Ill try and figure it all out. Thank you for the support!
I think if you go into your profile your allowed to "block" certain people (I think it's up to 3.) I would also e-mail and tell support so that you have documentation etc and just to keep them abreast of the situation.
I'm so sorry your going through this I hope they leave you alone soon and it stops. People can have opinions but this is becoming way too cruel and it's not fair.
Evidently, that person has never read Song of Solomon!
It's not the end of the world, it just doesn't make sense to me... maybe cause Ive seen stuff that could actually be considered offensive, but oh well.
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