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More stolen hubs - October 2013

  1. LongTimeMother profile image97
    LongTimeMotherposted 3 years ago

    One of my EC hubs (2,636 words with original photos) had stats that were doing okay. Search engines sent me many more hits than hp. Suddenly it plummeted. Not one to panic, I thought it might have something to do with it being repositioned and I'd give the EC process time to help get it back on track.  It seems ridiculous though that it attracted a mere 4 hits in the past 7 days. So tonight I copied and pasted part of the hub in google and discovered it here ... (with spaces added in obvious places.)

    http://five . net06.net/2013/08/26/best-books-for-10-year-olds-who-are-reluctant-readers/

    I noticed other hubs as well and thought it only fair to spread the word.

    All the words are used, but none of the photos. In order to find it, I had to 'repeat the search showing similar results' - so I appreciate that in theory it shouldn't really be a threat to my stats. Which leads me to question why else might it have suddenly dropped?

    Of my five EC hubs, all but one had 0 hits in the past 24 hours. I do hope the process of gaining some kind of advantage from EC doesn't take much longer. It is becoming very discouraging. Having just reached 50 hubs (with most of them about 2,000 words or more) using my own photos, I would expect to see daily numbers rising not dropping. Mind you, I'm a little surprised to see my hubber score dropping as well with the recent addition of a few more new hubs. Seems the only time I score 100 is when I'm not writing very much.

    Anyway, I can't help but wonder if there's a better way to deal with stolen hubs than having every hubber flock to a site to check for their own hubs, thus bumping up the traffic for the thieves. Can't we nominate HP to act on our behalf with filing complaints after a tip-off to the site?  That way, one visit could result in filing multiple complaints and getting the site shut down.

    Surely there's a legal eagle who can create a page of legal jargon that allows us to nominate hp to complain by proxy if we just read the page and click a button to agree to the terms.  Am I the only one who would click the button?

    We are currently sharing any income generated. I think it would be appropriate to share the responsibility of protecting the 'assets'.  This issue might have been discussed elsewhere and I missed it.  If so, please fill me in.


    1. CraftytotheCore profile image98
      CraftytotheCoreposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      It's getting so tiring.  This is an absolute disgrace.  I simply do not understand why someone would want to steal the content anyway.  Is it simply a boost in google search that gets them more traffic?  I really don't have much traffic at all to begin with.  So when someone does steal something, I simply don't understand how it helps them in any way, if I wasn't getting traffic to begin with.  Seems so stupid.

    2. Free Gamers profile image73
      Free Gamersposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      From experience, the quickest way to get them removed is to email the site in question, or leave a comment on the page where the article is. Sometimes it takes more than five comments to have content removed.

      The most effective way is to be aggressive with them and threaten them with a dmca and that you'll report them for being a spam site. It almost always works for me. You have to be really aggressive to them though.

      I think you're spot on that hubpages should be helping with this and not leaving it to individuals to chase them down.

      1. relache profile image88
        relacheposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        You can ave yourself a lot of time by just filing the Notice of Infringement (you don't file a Digital Millennium Copyright Act) direct to the site.

  2. brakel2 profile image88
    brakel2posted 3 years ago via iphone

    Paul Deeds from Staff just addressed this issue saying the writers own the copyright. HP has never dealt with this issue. Many writers have tried to enlist their help.

  3. brakel2 profile image88
    brakel2posted 3 years ago via iphone

    It is frustrating with all the recent plagiarism.

  4. LongTimeMother profile image97
    LongTimeMotherposted 3 years ago

    Thanks for your thoughts everyone.

    I understand that hp has never dealt with this issue, but that's not a valid reason for refusing to deal with it in the future. Life is full of success and improvements when we put our minds to creative problem solving, and embrace change. Here's an example from my own life ...

    For years I worked hard to weed my vegetable gardens using a spade and fork, the same way everyone else seemed to do it - and the same way I'd always approached it. And every summer I had to battle with more weeds that sprang from seeds and roots that somehow evaded my earlier efforts. Year in, year out, I approached the problem the same way and encountered the same frustration.

    It was suggested to me a long time ago that I get a couple of pigs and let them weed my garden. I stubbornly insisted on sticking to my usual routine - because that's the way I'd always done it. I kick myself now for not giving the suggestion full and proper consideration instead of ignoring it.

    As I wrote in a recent hub and mentioned in at least one other, I now weed my vegetable gardens every springtime using pig power.  A pig will dig deep and eat every weed, every seed and every root in my vegetable gardens. It will fertilize the ground and makes the soil far more productive than it ever was when I stuck to my 'usual' way of doing things.

    I suggest, with respect, that hp could be far more productive and give a greater return to all of us - including hp - if copied hubs could be dealt with quickly and effectively by giving HP proxy power to lodge complaints on behalf of multiple hubbers.

    Why give the 'weeds' time to grow and cause us all grief?

    1. wilderness profile image96
      wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      How much more "share" would you give HP in order to perform the service to protect your copyright for you?  Another 10%?

      It isn't free, you know - not to HP.  While it doesn't cost you anything to protect your own work, HP has to hire someone to do the work.  And with the tens of thousands of stolen hubs, that isn't going to be cheap.

      So how much will you pay?

    2. LongTimeMother profile image97
      LongTimeMotherposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      lol. I obviously approach problems in a different way to you, wilderness. I look for the simple, easy and logical solution every time.

      The problem is the tens of thousands of stolen hubs you refer to. The solution is one existing staff member who might spend one morning a week responding to any 'stolen hubs alerts' sent in by hubbers.

      Truth is, there will probably be less than three sites in any given week - because, as we've seen, one rogue site will copy many or perhaps all of our hubs to the one site - not tens of thousands of sites copying single hubs.

      One hp staff member with proxy power to lodge complaints on behalf of 10 individual hubbers should be able to get the offending site removed with less than one hour's work, surely.

      It shouldn't cost us anything more to have HP look after our mutual interests. I'm sure hp's business strategy involves making 40% from as many productive hubs from as many productive hubbers as possible.

      Addressing the issue of stolen/copied content as quickly and effectively as possible will not only protect hp's current interests, it will encourage more hubs and more hubbers.

      Seems like a simple solution to me. smile