Your Hub score, unlocking the puzzle.

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   epsonok0posted 10 years ago

   This, after another user made the last part make sense to me. Is what I hope to be the master forumla for your hub score. Helping all of us understand how meaningless or meaningfull it may or may not be.
   
   1. Your hub views
   2. Your rating on hub hops
   3. Your comments on your hubs.
   4. Weather or not you comment on others hubs
   5. Frequency of log ins
   6. Frequency of hubs published.
   7. When you comment if it draws more comments to it, replies.
   8. Your ranking in comparison to similar hubs and then to those hubbers.
   9. When you make forum posts.
   10. If your forum posts draw comments.
   11. The frequency and length of those comments.
   
   What I believe is that the way this may apply is a rating of how much of a jack of all trades you are. If you do all these things you can have a hi score. But here is the catch. Doing better in any one area and not at all in another can still average out to a higher score than someone who does all.
   
   The way this is irrelevant to your fellow hubber. Is that it is just a number that shows you as a factor. And it does not discern what kind of work you do, or how good of a hubber you are.

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      quiterandomposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      You may be referring to my recent post, or to a reply from someone else on it.
      I'm not talking about your long standing hub score and it's average and what affects it.
      I'm talking about being on hubpages, working on a new article, taking a short break and watching your individual hub scores plummet by nearly 10%.
      Nothing's changed, no updates, but in a short time they can bottom out quickly for no apparent reason.
      The hubber score itself just doesn't matter, as long as it's above 85 if you care about outbound links being nofollow or not. That score seems to have little to do with writing.
      It's the individual hub scores changing so drastically for no apparent reason.

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         epsonok0posted 10 years agoin reply to this

         I have had that happen even when views are up. I think that the person on your thread was right. I think that the competing hubs in your same area as that hub, aka the ones that are very similar. Affect it in some way. But So far in 6 months I have never gotten a true answer.

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            Matthew Meyerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            "competing Hubs" have no effect on your HubScore nor your HubberScores.
            The factors involved are explained in this Learning Center Hub.
            See the sections "Factors Used to Compute HubScores" and "Factors Used to Compute Hubber Score"
            http://hubpages.com/learningcenter/hubs … bber-score

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               epsonok0posted 10 years agoin reply to this

               Not to argue here but several points. One, the article states that the hub score and hubber score are shrouded in secrecy. Two, what it does say are things that I stated I just used a little different wording. I think that,  how good a hubber is does not matter from there score. I have tried to read hubs from 99 and 100 hubbers and could not because they were just to dry and boring. However I have read from the same some great and even fantastic hubs. The same goes for 70 and 80 hubbers just yesterday I read a fantastic hub from a guy with a 76 for a score or something to that affect. I think that the growing consensus is that the hub score and hubber score are becoming less relevant to others but rather so to some in a personal achievement kind of way. And unless privileges can be earned from an increase I think that efforts should focus elsewhere from the creators, and programmers at HP HQ.

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      misslong123posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      While I am no expert and do not know if mathematically this is true, it sure is a great list of things to keep in mind. I wrote it all down so that I would work hard to aim towards those goals. I do believe they affect your score, but there may be more to it as well. I am not sure. I am trying to accomplish those goals in an organized fashion. This is all still pretty new to me. Thank you for sharing your wisdom. Michele

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      LuisEGonzalezposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Try this; create a hub with a niche title and see the high score that it starts with. Now create the same hub with a regular not niche title and see how low its starting score is.
      
      After that it is pretty much the amount of views and the number of times the words in the title are searched for.
      
      I have done this experiment (by mistake at first but  on purpose later) and the results are always the same.
      
      BTW , I don't have to give a sarcastic answer to prove my point......

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   quiterandomposted 10 years ago

   Maybe, but there are pretty much NO new hubs competing with mine. Nobody has really written anything specifically in what I'm writing for a while.

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      epsonok0posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Yes I can see that on your page. I just read the hub about connecting routers to make your wifi stronger. You seem like you know your stuff and that is a very specific area of writing. maybe after all, the score is quite random.

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   EricDockettposted 10 years ago

   Working to improve anything on your list except #1 is pointless.  Here's another formula:
   
   1.  Learn everything you can about what makes an article do well online.
   2.  Find topics and niches where you have a reasonable chance of success. 
   3.  Write the best articles you can about the topics you've discovered are worth pursuing.
   4.  Don't worry about your Hubber score.

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   Will Apseposted 10 years ago

   You can train a seal to do pretty much anything if you have enough fish.
   
   Hubbers come cheaper. All you need are a few numbers.

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   relacheposted 10 years ago

   In the last seven years, a lot of people have claimed to have found some sort of way to figure out how HubScores "work." 
   
   And that's about as far as any of those theories have ever gone.

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   LeanManposted 10 years ago

   The same hub can be unchanged, have views not vary from week to week and yet the score may vary by 10 points or more...................... random??
   
   
   Make some changes; add a text capsule, attribute your photos, add a poll or delete an amazon capsule and your score may jump a couple of points, but then it may come tumbling back down a week later..
   
   
   Maybe the hub scores are greatly affected by those turkers (or even hoppers) who manually review our hubs and decide if they like them or not... But who are they to judge our works of genius??
   
   
   I have noticed that hubs that are in a "group" will rise or fall as a group.... so maybe they are reviewed as a group in some way...... Every hub in a group will gain or lose 2-3 points together while other hubs on the same account are unaffected..
   
   
   The Hubber score does appear to be affected by the individual hub scores (at least their overall average) - if they rise your hubber score rises... Just keep it above 85 if follow links matter to you..
   
   
   That being said - the only real score I worry about is the visitors - which in turn leads to $$$

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   Writer Foxposted 10 years ago

   Hub Scores have nothing to do with traffic.  I have Hubs which receive 1,000 views a week from search engines that only score in the 70s.  None of my Hubs which get 1,000 views per week score in the 90s!  On your own sites and blogs, you rank your best pages as the ones with the most traffic.  Not on HubPages! The HP system scores Hubs based upon what HP would like Google to rank the highest.  Google has a different formula. The QAP system is seriously flawed and does not evaluate most of the elements that Google does. 
   
   Another problem with the HP Hub Score system is that novice Internet writers look at the Hubs ranking at the top of Topic pages (according to Hub Score) and use those as examples to create their Hubs, when quite often they are looking at Hubs which are totally unsuccessful on search engines.  So, this bad system propagates itself all over the HP website. There is no place for Hubbers to identify the Hubs which receive the highest Google traffic, so people flounder by looking at the wrong examples for success and wonder why they aren't making money with their Hubs.
   
   This phenomenon also affects the Hubber Score and that is why you have people with Hubber scores of 99 or 100 complaining that they don't have any traffic to their Hubs and that they don't even reach payout every month.

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   WryLiltposted 10 years ago

   Want to know why scores are irrelevant?
   
   I just had a hub go viral on another account. It's earned me nearly $200 in 4 days.
   
   It still only has a score in the mid 80s and my profile score is still only 83.
   
   Scores don't bring me money. Getting traffic firstly and then converting that traffic into money is what counts, in my opinion.

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   Writer Foxposted 10 years ago

   Of course, traffic is what matters the most.  Hub Scores and Hubber Scores should reflect that, but they don't. They are both a bad business model in their present forms.

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    epsonok0posted 10 years ago

    I guess we can separate opinions here into several categories which greatly affects the outcome of the conversations.
    1. Those that write for profit.
    2. Those that write for pleasure.
    3. Those that write for the views and glory.
    
    After we decide what of those categories we fit into we can apply or not apply various amounts of advice.
    
    I do not believe I have discovered a master formula here. However, I like starting forums threads like this because of one simple fact. We get a variety of opinions from a lot of different people. One sided threads where everyone just agrees are boring and do not help anyone.
    Thank you every one for your participation here it is a great thing that no one blew a gasket and no one got mad. Some of my previous threads have done that.
    
    Of those three above, I am number 2.

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       paradigmsearchposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       How about all three? And you've already got them in the right order.

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