I guess it's meant for people who only sporadically log in to HP anymore, so that's why it will take a month. Unfortunately, Eric, unless you plan to bump this thread every day it will become buried under all the new topics. I don't think the sporadic users will ever see it.
I am just blown away by the attention of those who have not left HP. I do not get it. Let this get legs and see what our once a week drop bye's say. Bill Holland and I publish here 5 days a week. But most of our friends now post elsewhere regularly. Life is good and writing for a living has never been better. But why do people go elsewhere.
Really? Why do you say that? I'd say writing for a living is much, much worse than it was in 2010.
At the beginning of 2011 I was predicting an income of around $20,000 from my blogs and from HubPages, even if I sat back and didn't write another word.
My income for 2013 will probably be less than $9,000. Admittedly I've added very little new material this year as I've been working on other projects - but for me, the whole idea of writing online was to earn passive income. I came to the conclusion earlier this year that the game had changed, which is why I changed direction.
As to why I'm still here - I like the community here, and I am conscious that I received a huge amount of help from other Hubbers when I started, so it's only fair for me to pay it forward.
What a great comment friend. Well I started writing on line for money in 1998 and it was a brutal world ;-) I have no doubt that if you worked at making money on line that you could beat your best year every year. You are a talent.
Eric, I spent 2011 and 2012 working to recover from the loss of traffic and income, but in spite of all my efforts, I watched my earnings go backwards. There comes a time when you have to accept you can't keep flogging a dead horse.
I know many people who have given up blogging and writing online because they've had the same experience. These were good writers with more technical expertise than me. Most of them are still working in the online space - but they're selling their services to other bloggers and writers, not writing themselves. As they say, at the end of a gold rush, you'll make more money selling shovels than panning for gold yourself.
Well, as income from a part-time hobby, that would be fine. However, it is not a very motivating sum if someone is trying to make a living from this. That sort of money would keep me going for about 2 months at best.
As WriteAngled says, if I was writing for fun and the money was a bonus, no doubt I'd be ecstatic. However, my goal was to create a real income from this, and $9,000 is a poor return compared to other options.
People (and I've been one of them) can get so focussed on writing online, they become oblivious to all the other opportunities around them.
It takes effort to venture into real freelance writing. It takes effort to go to yard sales and thrift shops to find products to sell on eBay. It takes effort to find casual work. It's much easier to get up in the morning, sit down at the PC and just keep writing.
But the fact is, I can make more money from one day of mystery shopping than from a whole week of online writing. If I spend a morning looking for eBay products, I can make more money than from a whole week of online writing. I have a casual job at a dancewear shop (filling in on odd days for the owner), which pays me more in one day than a whole week of online writing.
I don't write freelance, but every Hubber I know who's given it a serious go, is making more money from freelance gigs than from their own HP account or blogs.
I'm not addicted to writing, so if I can work 3 days instead of 21 days for the same money, that's what I'm going to do. The effort to search for alternative sources of income really pays off.
I write for a living. That is what I do. But I get paid to think up and research what I write --- sometimes the result is so haywire they pay me not to write it up. But I have been seriously writing for a living for -- well since 1979. This for me is a kick in the pants, but part of the kick is that in around two years time I will have enough stuff to switch over and just make money here or there writing what I want. Believe me writing for lawyers and judges and SEC corps and insurance companies along with people writing against them is not always a kick in the pants, it penetrates through to the butt. I just really admire these folks that give it a shot to write for themselves. And in truth I like the folks like some Nora gal around here. "Chief Moderator" yikes. And the folks that fund this operation.
Really you want to be that bored -- heck my wife asks me that question so during my reply she can fall off into blissful slumber knowing that the world makes no sense.
Run of the mill stuff. Appellate Court - Supreme court briefs, demand letters, Civil lawsuits and criminal defense motion papers, SEC 8K press releases, risk analysis crap and what lawyers call discovery. Cease and desist letters. One time I was hire for a year by an immigration lawyer to write love letters for clients and Fiance' matters. Business plans and public offerings and subscriptions and warrants. Personal inmate letters to go into probation files. Every now and then my take on a law and some UN policy stuff and some Internet policy and contractual mumbo jumbo.
From what I am seeing people really do not leave HP. They simply go elsewhere with their time to make money, but still like coming back here to visit me --- ooops I mean HP. I think that is very cool indeed.
HP should give you a share of the forum ad impressions, you certainly know how to draw them in. Who knows, maybe HP already has secret deals with the more notorious posters. Those toenail fungus ads aren't going to look at themselves.
That just reminds me of the ugly protuberance on my face. People notice it but nobody talks about it. My elder children love me but will not let me take my shirt off at the beach. I hope nobody left HP because they did not feel comfy enough to speak their mind or take off their shirt.
I have never "left" HP. What I have done is stop publishing on HP due to the problems that have been rehashed numerous times here in the forums and in blog posts around the web. My writing efforts are now focused on where I can make money. I make a few cents here on HP a day, down from over 100.00 a month at one point. Not much compared to others, but it did help out. I used to have a payout every month, but now it takes three to four months.
Granted I have about half of what I used to have here, but it is not my doing. HP unfeatured half of my material and I simply unpublished and deleted the material and republished it elsewhere where it makes money.
I still do pop in to read Hubs and to check out the forums from time to time. Also, I look for the next unfeatured hub or hub with no views to move to my blog.
lol Well, I certainly will not attack you. I was here then I left and now I'm back out of curiosity; however, curiosity did kill the cat. I see that HP has not changed and I am rather surprised there are no new questions being asked. Political and rudeness does not a nice writer make. This is certainly not the place to 'take it out on others' as I have found here on HP. However, I thought I would try one more time.
lol. Apparently I set an allotted time for myself with that post of mine and I'm probably over now. I should go back to my book. I'll be needing someone to read it someday. I choose you. I don't want any critiques, I just want someone to tell me what a fabulous job I did and what a big hit it will be. You seem the encouraging type. lol
I haven't left but working on other venues and types of writing.
The times they are a changing and we must change along with them or we rust and become unmovable.
Many I know have tried their hand at Kindle books. You don't have to have hundreds of words to publish there, in fact you can even sell an article much like you do here or similar sites. Just an FYI for those that don't know.
Just keep writing, editing and improving and you can't go wrong.
There was a time not long ago when things got very onerous around here, with all sorts of rule changes and Hub idling (unFeaturing) because of a variety of shifting reasons. That seemed to be the last straw for many writer around here, as the exodus really picked up steam after HP started idling Hubs and causing indexing problems with Google. Then, there are places like Bubblews that have sprung up that pay better than HP. Good old competition at work!
Personally, I am pretty happy with HP lately, as the idling (unFeaturing) is not nearly as onerous as it once was and I like their new Hub templates a lot. It's a great writing platform in my opinion.
I think for obvious reasons probably - they are going where they feel they can earn more money, or they may be the ones who were penalized by the new formats and such introduced here who felt stifled creatively by the new rules.
I publish a lot of stuff elsewhere, but I always have. Diversity helps increase earnings in my case. I also spend the bulk of my time now writing for other people, because it seems residual income is way down the past couple of years.
I like the community here though so even during times I don't publish, I still come around and check out what's happening pretty much every day.
I did ask if an account could be closed temporarily, the answer was no. I did take a little break... though it really wasn't meant to be an announcement. Ppl were very kind, and I just caught my breath for about 2 days. It really wasn't a big deal. Thanks for asking.
First, I want to thank you for those kind words, second, I want to thank you for using an image from Horror Hotel... I believe a woman was burned at the stake in that movie... I'm hoping she doesn't represent me.
Not at all, WE just love you Beth 37. I used this picture as a representation of the people who love you. I just love horror movies. In fact, I am an aficinado of the horror genre whether in books or movies. Off to my 383rd hub.
4 years im still kinda here . i had over 70 poems and short story's on this site..the reasons why i took most down and dont write here anymore except in forums. are many. this is a content farm as far as to the kinda stuff i write. original works are fodder for plagiarists in this venue.unfair editing enraged me. misspelling is part of what i do. its art. creative spelling.but the last straw was when a first person fictional story i put up called dog fight was pulled down for no other reason than subject matter, and a poem called oscillating fan. that i re posted the exact poem that was flagged. but added directions on how to clean one. and changed the title to " how to clean a oscillating fan" and it was acceptable to hub pages. im not a god dang "how to" hubber . but was basically strong armed into becoming one. this aint a creative writing site. when i signed up to it it billed itself as being one they lied .
Wow. It's hard to say. History, general information, a whole host of topics really . It's really more than the how to articles that are popular here. I like it there because I can write about whatever strikes my fancy, plus I get more traffic over there so that's a plus lol.
as for the tutorial length - of course you can. my little blurb was just a skeleton... LOL
And, I will be sure to check it out, as I did habee's advice, (Southernteacher), because I found that to redeem every 3 days, (which I was doing), was requiring wayyyyyy too many hours of constant bubblews activity.
I am sure you experienced the same, but logging on to 2000+ notifications, plus writing good - not stupid "good night or good morning Bubblers" - posts, AND repaying visitor's visits - is a lot more than an hour or two a-day task.
You are correct in the amount of time to redeem every three days or three times a week. One does have to interact with the community pretty radically to keep that up. I was able to do that prior to my recent move, but now that I am closer to work, I spend more time there as it is just a short walk away, and that leaves less time to spend interacting with the community there.
Still, my return there has been about $700.00 since joining on July 22nd.
Brilliant - I look forward to your formula. Keep in mind that Bubblews seems to lose posts from your archive while the still exist in on Google. DrMark1961 kindly checked this for me. I don't know how that affects earnings and they, the powers that be, aren't telling.
All of your archived posts are still there. There is a glitch when you hit "archives", however if you use the arrows on your profile, you can "walk" back and find all your articles in the reverse order of publication. This is why Google can still "see" them.
Hey, habee,you still have a Hubscore of 100. Mine has dropped since I don't spend much time here anymore. I see you around on "that other site", which I don't dare mention cause I don't want to start a big to-do!!
Well the poemage was good, if that is a word, lol. But it "felt" like it was an attack on simple peasants such as me that go out and roam the web to make a few extra dollars so that when a friend in need approaches me I have a few extra bucks to help them out.
I don't think we have a name for those hats. We just call them hats... maybe "the hat with the ball on it" to clarify, but most of them have balls on top. Im starting to see why "bobble hat" might be preferable.
I told myself at work the other day that it was a mistake to let you read it. I realized that even if you said good things about it, I would just think you were just being nice. lol I still appreciated it. Im glad you mentioned adding detail. I hate details and will subconsciously block them out all the time, even skipping over headlines just to read a story. Probably the opposite of you.
You cannot write about events in a vacuum. But obviously the reader does not want to wade through pointless details. A thousand word description of the day's cloud formations is de rigueur in Eng Lit but in Chick Lit, not so much.
I'm still here on my first home and the place where I first spread my wings and made friends. However I post less than I did and can get back on here less. This is because I am financially strapped and have had to find other sources for money. So now I have my freelance writing and other sites to which I post my poetry like my blogs. But I always enjoy coming back here to see what's happening and as long as there will be those who read what I post I will stay here.
Google will not increase the SERP standings of your other sites much in response to the backlinks from HP, and HP requires a well written article, taking some real time to produce, rather than a 50 word blog entry.
The homepage of HubPages has a Google PageRank of 6, so it is highly valued by Google and Google sends a ton of traffic to this site every day.
The way it is on HubPages is that your Hubber Score has to be at least 85 for your links to be followed links. Right now, your links from your Hubs are NoFollow.
Also, if you publish more high quality Hubs and your score rises above 85, the value of your link is determined as a trickle-down from the Google PageRank of each individual Hub. Right now, your Hubs don't have good PageRank. So, you have a long way to go to make a link from HP of any value as a backlink. Even when your links are followed and your Hubs develop a healthy PageRank, all of the links will be from a single domain. It's still good to have a followed backlink from HubPages.com and many writers here link to their own blogs and websites for that reason. But, a link from HP should just be one of many links you develop over time.
Of course I have no idea. I was finally given the semi-coveted 85 a few days ago, and then I made the mistake of sleeping, only to wake and see I'd been reduced to my former 84, The only conclusion I have drawn is that one should never sleep.
I suppose so, but I do not worry about it. It goes up and down depending on how you and your Hubs do. I just take it in stride. I try to improve my Hubs, write more and better, use the HubHopper and do whatever else I can.
Well, unless my senile memory is failing me, it seemed simple at the time. HP came in and made it plain that the requirement had gone from a hubber score of 75 to one of 85 for any do follow, and that it was still coupled to individual hub scores for individual hubs.
Definitely register for the earnings program anyway. Why wouldn't you? Your Hubs will be earning income, you might as well have some of it!
As WF says, if you're aim is to generate backlinks to impress Google, there's not much point in creating multiple Hubs. Google counts only the first one or two links from any single domain.
However, don't forget that real readers will also follow links in your Hubs! I do get traffic from links in my articles on revenue-sharing sites like HubPages, Infobarrel etc, and the fact that I'm on all those sites (using the same name) helps raise my profile as a writer.
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