Just had a big drop on my profile score. And all my hubs were featured along with a steady 10 Editors Choice. I say 'were' because 3 were just unfeatured and I don't know what to do about that. My views are over 945,000. Boo-hoo. Hubpages doesn't love me anymore!
Sorry to hear that Audrey. I don't know what you can do about it though. I can't get my hubber profile score to move off 87. Twice it has gone to 92 but dropped back within days. Fortunately it doesn't seem to drop lower, but all my hubs are still featured.
I hear very little from people who now have scores like we all had a year ago.
I know they changed the algorithm for calculating the score but no-one had given a decent breakdown on the new requirements.
Because we are a lazy bunch, once having a 95 to 100 score got you me HP readers, now I have accepted the fact that my audience has shifted to being from elsewhere.
Honestly, my audience is up, but not many are HPers anymore.
Anyway, if you see a description of what is required for a hugher score, please share it with the rest of us.
This has been discussed to death on many other forum posts. But here it goes; I may be wrong but from what I been able to gather (along with some other hubbers which are definitely more talented than I ever will) the profile score seems to be correlated with the average of all of your hubs plus a steady rise in views/visitors.
If your total views remain the same +/- (no matter how high they might be) it appears that something (algorithm, human moderators etc...) will trigger a downturn in your profile score thus supposedly "nodding you" to make changes or publish new material which is, after-all, what Google wants.
HP wants & needs views/visitors to increase periodically which makes sense since this is one of the main ways in how they (and supposedly hubbers) make their $$$$$$$.
Thank you for giving this information. It used to be so easy to reach a profile score of 100 every week or two and to have higher individual hub scores -- sometimes 100 on certain hubs. Time is harder to come by for me these days, so I'm not sure I'll do anything about my lower scores on former hubs, but it's good to know this information for the next time I get an urge to write something new.
If I had views of 945,000 I wouldn't be worrying about my score. You are obviously doing something right. Keep it up.
So sorry. It is those darn automatic robots. They never know how good you are. I do not like robots changing things. Audrey, I am not a robot, and I vote a high score for your creative uplifting well worded hubs and for you as the author of these hubs.
First, I edited my hubs and saw improvement in their individual scores;
Second, I am seeing some increased traffic and some increased (however paltry) earning;
Third, I published another hub and the message to me was basically "hubs like this get 300% more traffic".
And then I checked my hubber score...It was DOWN! There continues to be no rhyme or reason to this scoring.
Actually, I'm just almost serious.... or as serious as I get, which isn't very.
It goes against my personality to make a big deal about this kind of thing.
It's their site, I'm a guest here, it's free to me, it is a privilege to have this avenue to share my efforts let alone the possibility of this thing they call "payout."
But here's what bugs me. We have tried over and over and over to reach out to staff and say, "Give us the formula. Give us something that connects the dots." But they just keep pointing us to the Q&A section which doesn't seem to answer any actual questions. It's as though they're allowed to point at us and yell, "YOU SUCK!" leaving us to sit in a puddle of our own unworthiness, as they run away laughing with all the folks that have 3 digits and A's in the corner of their pics. Well... if I cared a little more, I'd do something about it. What you ask? If I knew the answer to that, my hubber score would probably be a lot higher.
What really bothers me is that my current hubber score is approaching the scores of hubbers with ZERO featured content, and in some cases, with ZERO published content of any kind other than comments to forums and answers to questions.
And yes, the indication of hubber scores in the right-hand corner of our profile pictures is problematic.
I have tried to get answers, but no meaningful answers are forthcoming. Any answer I got said, essentially, "it's you" or words to the effect of you're not following our rules for best-practices---which, again, makes no sense in terms of the fact that my hubs are featured, are "editor's choice", and are consistent with published HP best-practices.
Shhh... Relache is here... she's almost a 3 digiter... be careful what you say around her.
I am sure I will be told that I am a crappy writer who doesn't adhere to the rules; that as work ages it necessarily loses its value and worth; if I follow people or make comments I should expect my scores to decline; everything is perfect on HP; algorithms are a joke; some of us---NOT including me, are infallible.
Did I get that right?
Beth, this lady is my new forum comedy special. Don't impede her. She sounds almost exactly like the guy with the intense persecution complex from five years ago who complained all the time that admin was out to get him.
Of course, that guy's habit of putting a single porn still shot somewhere in the middle of each one of his Hubs was really what was getting him, but the level of angry comedy was nearly as high as this.
hahaha, do you mean me? lol
I don't take very good pics do I.
Im a girl... and we've chatted on your hubs before. I got new glasses btw, but I haven't taken a pic with them yet... cause I don't take good pics and neither does my phone, but I guess Ive already covered that.
If you directed your comment at me, mbuggieh:
I am not amused by your mockery or by your effort to liken me to someone complaining about HP scores while embedding pornographic images in hubs.
Im sure she wasn't talking about you. That sounds nothing like you.
Now look at what you've done to us Hubpages!
We're turning on each other... we can't let them win!
I hear you.
Divide and conquer...the oldest game in the book!
It's time mbuggieh! It's a call to two-arms... or two-fingers for the hunters and peckers. Let's tell them how we feel! Luckily I don't have to come up with something new... I wrote this poem a while ago... hold on, I'll go get it.
Oh dear... I had written a poem about a pretend super hero... and no matter how many amazing deeds she had performed, in her own mind, her own hubber score would always define her. It was funny... but when I closed my old acct. I apparently lost it.
No... but are you kidding? Ive been racking my brain trying to think of the title... and it did have something to do with kriptonite... Ack. I can't remember, but it is de-indexed (is that the right word for no longer found on google?)
Did you remove your hubs before closing your account? If you just closed your account with them still in place do they go to cyberlimbo?
It was called Superego. The image for the Hub was Batgirl. The description for the poem was "every hero has her Kryptonite."
Just for the record, I never actually saw or read this Hub when it existed. But the above appears to be all that's left.
That's exactly it. Superego... get it? What a catchy title... it's shocking I don't have a much higher hubber score. lol
In the past few days, I wrote a hub and participated in a few other activities. My hubber score went up some, but I still say a robot does the scoring. I guess we all know that by now.
Ive published 4 hubs in one week. Ive commented on other ppls hubs and the forum. I did all these things 'cause I wanted to, not b/c I was trying to change my score, but technically, my score should go up right? The hubs I wrote were all featured, I have some how managed not to be banned yet. We'll see! (Plus Audrey, you're a 90, you can't complain. )
Let me know when you're up to 10 hubs. I'll do a recipe extravaganza on my website. Should get you some traffic; leastwise it's worked in the past.
Ok, thanks. Yeah, I decided to only do recipes under this name. That way when ppl on the forum want to beat me up, all they can do is say I make lousy pasta... which I totally don't so it's a perfect plan!
If you keep your current avatar, you can claim you are a doctor and that all your recipes cure cancer. We could make a fortune.
lol. Do I look like a doctor? None of my pics look alike, I mean similar, being that they're all me, but I have different hair colors in each pic and glasses in some and not in others... They only thing they have in common is I don't like them. I have one I kind of like, but I hate the shirt. I called it my Charlie Brown shirt... it's kind of awful. I don't know why I thought it would catch on. I should go back to being a puppy. No one judges a puppy.
Next time you want to party in the R&P forums...
...use this one.
Join the crowd of fellow sufferers from the broken hubber score algorithm.
Me too, Audrey. Sorry to see this is happening to others. I thought it was something I did, like being active in the forums, or commenting on a bunch of hubs, or even deleting some of my featured hubs. Guess not.
Congratulations on the 945,000 views. Wow. That is impressive.
Many of your Hubs appear to have not had their content updated in more than a year. HubPages may still love you but Google's dating someone much fresher and updated.
The Featured/Unfeatured Hub process is not a new thing, especially for a Hub author who has been here for couple of years (like you have), unless they've chosen to purposely remain ignorant about what it is and how it works.
The symbol key right at the bottom of the Hub dashboard explain the symbols for why a Hub is no longer featured. HubPages has further info the Learning Center that goes more in-depth into the whys and hows of the Featured process, and what you can do to get Hubs back into that status.
If you want to act like there's no reason why any of this is happening to your Hubs...well, I guess a lot of people in the forums choose that reaction.
Well I think some of us are doing what we were told was necessary and still we are seeing dropping scores. I have been updating for 2 weeks now. Adding more pics, making sure articles have more words, checking grammar, etc. Even though I have been doing what HP tells me, both my hubber and hub scores have dropped. Some of us just don't understand how an article is updated from 700 words 2 pics, and a video to 1250 words, 3 pics, 1 video, one table, and one poll and yet the score of the hub drops by 8 points. Same for my hubber score. So some of us aren't acting like there is no reason, we just can't find the reason after actively trying.
When you edit all your Hubs, do you change them all as substantially as you just describe in his one particular instance? Because what you just described may be called "an edit" but really it's a complete redo of the entire Hub.
For the system to rerank such a radical content change seems in no way surprising, and if this is what people are doing when they "edit" a Hub, they should see large score changes.
When I say I'm editing my Hubs, the changes are small and extremely specific, you'd have to read to find them. What you are talking about is a do-over, and when I completely reinvent a Hub I see what you are seeing.
If you make a tiny edit, and see a big score drop, you did something "wrong." If you make huge changes, and see huge score changes, that's to be expected.
Scores are NOT necessarily changing/dropping as a function of substantive editing.
In fact, the overwhelming majority of my hub scores are going up and down without any editing whatsoever. None. Zero.
And as for hubber scores:
Just this weekend, I got a notice that my hubs are among the most viewed/most popular on Hubpages.
My reward: My hubber score dropped significantly.
"If you make a tiny edit, and see a big score drop, you did something "wrong."" May I ask, how do I figure out what? Because I have had a couple where I just went in and tweaked grammar, yet the score plummeted. Another example was adding one word to a Hub title resulting in 9 points dropped. I'm not completely illiterate or anything. I grasp the basics of writing an article. I simply do not grasp how I will sometimes follow the HP provided links on how to increase hub score, and somehow I make it drop.
I am seeing 9-10 point drops for doing minor corrections -i.e. grammatical corrections - one or two per hub, then a 10 point drop.
I added links to other hubs and they dropped 9-15 points. That's okay since page views went up 50% across those hubs. But still, I am vexed by the new harsher grading system.
These hubs were Editors Choice and one was top 10 of the day during the last Hub Challenge. So they don't suck entirely...
These punches have affected my profile score; I don't really care, but they do affect it if anyone was wondering.
I have done either (a) exactly as directed or (b) done nothing at all and hub scores are dropping.
Hubs that when first published were at 95+ are now, and WITHOUT ANY EDITING, in the 70s range.
There appears, at least for some of us, to be no why; no rhyme and reason to what we are experiencing.
At no point in the entire history of HubPages have HubScore ever been static/fixed. They go up, and they go down. Any Hub author who never grasps this concept will probably always feel that they have no idea what's happening. I can't do anything for someone struggling with this fact.
The Hubs you have given as examples.... What are their topics? How old are they? What's the competition like? How much other content on these same topic has been created both at HubPages and out on the web since those Hubs were first created? Has the level of public interest in those topics changed between when they first got published and now?
I see you not finding the 'why' to your situation because "Why?" appears to be the only question you are asking. A lot of other types of questions need to get asked before you can start to make any headway on 'why.'
Let me say this:
Up and down is one thing---however arbitrary, but if a hub is published, featured, and receives a score a high score, to then have its score plummet within days and with NO indication of a decline in traffic---in facts sometimes there are indications of significant increase in traffic, is problematic.
As for the "why" question.
What other question matters?
I have spent 37+ years assessing people's written work, and a professional---including as an editor, I am required to explain the "why" question for every assessment that I make.
What other questions would apply?
Who? I hope scores are not a function of "who", though I strongly suspect that the "who"---at least in the nature of the activity of the "who" matters. I am appalled to see people with zero featured content retaining personal hubber scores higher than those who are actively engaged and who publish featured content.
How? I seems obvious that the "how" is a programmed algorithm.
Where? The rules of the Hubpages game seems to suggest exclusivity of publication OR hubs will be unpublished, not degraded.
What? The "what" seems defined, but as repeatedly noted here, adjusting the "what"---as directed, has no positive effect.
My knowledge of automated editors and automated ratings systems tells me that there is likely some "glitch" in the software or in the application of the software.
That said, tell me what questions to ask in order to deal with what is clearly in new and growing issue for many on Hubpages.
I can givew you one reason that I've experienced myself. I had a high-scoring hub that had an important backlink going to it. That backlink vanished, and the score dropped like a rock.
To do a follow up; I have been doing some very small edits on several hubs over the past few days. On some hubs I just changed the tittle, on others a word here or there. My views have increased over the same period by about 44% yet my profile score has been dropping steadily....Rhyme or reason?????
There is none. Any Questions?
It makes you question the entire basis for the scores which make no sense and are so changeable. What's the point!!! It appears to be war against the willing.
What's the point seems to be the exactly right question!
I see what people are publishing with high scores (hub and hubber), and contrary to claims made here, those scores are decided NOT a function of strict adherence to best-practices.
hubber score appears to be designed for HP to torment people
There is rhyme and reason. The people at HP know why, but they can't say why. Regardless of the secrecy they have to maintain, backlinks, subdomain activity, page authority, backlinks, social media shares and other factors usually impact the ranking of online content whether in search engines or on sophisticated content sites like HP.
I can assure you that Audrey is an intelligent woman who is not trying to 'act' ignorant. She asked a question; She deserves to receive a respectful answer.
My authors score has dropped too. It happened almost overnight without explanation. Some of my hub scores have dropped too. I went to work updating and proofing the hubs that were no longer featured. The featured button returned after updating but so far the low scores remain.
There is something about a high score that validates a persons writing and there is something about a low score that leaves one lacking. I think the reaction is wrapped up in school days.
It's a good question Audrey!
I asked you a bunch of other questions which I felt were key, but you didn't answer any of them, and then asked me to tell you what questions you should be asking. I think we may have found part of your problem.
Also, I ran down your profile page and it became apparent just by sight that several of HubPages' own best-practices recommendations are being completely disregarded. Which seems to me like it could be another key part of your problem.
And by the way, I love how you really emphasize your STEM interests in your profile and then bet all your discussional chips on how you must be at the mercy of broken algorithmic automation. I like that.
If you spent as much time working with computers and machines as I do, I think you would understand that we are ALL at the mercy of algorithms---even if we are unaware of it.
Okay, how would you respond to this question:
How does one get a high score---apparently reflective of compliance with "best practices" upon publication of a new hiub and then without doing any editing (which apparently can only result in bad things) find the score for one's hubs reduced within, let's say, 24-48 hours?
I'm new here and don't understand the scores, but mine keeps fluctuating anywhere from 83 to 87 every few days.
I am always surprised at my Hub score... What I know is that there is a direct correlation to amount of activity and your Hub Score... I had carried a consistent 95 when I was very active.. I left for a few months and, upon my return, I had dropped considerably.... such is life.
More than half of my hubs were not featured, I guessed that brought my low hubber score and significant lost in Google traffic. Anyway I just started serious changing hoping this will rise again.
I keep track of my scores in a spreadsheet that I update about once every two or three weeks. If I looked at my scores every day, I would go nuts. Algorithms are complicated and imperfect. I suggest staying focused on things you control and ignore the things you can't.
I don't think Hubpages does not love you, I think there must have been some problem that will be fixed soon, as it is about time Hubpages withdraws you the money.. or, on the other hand, Hubpages remembered to check twice, that maybe your hub is not that good quality.
In context, that wasn't really the question.
In general, it is a simple question with a simple answer, you cannot argue that. The way that you word something has much to do with the answer. I know that myself and try to be very careful about the outcome of the answer.
I am glad to know that I am not in this club by myself. When I was more active, I maintained a score in the high 90's. My attention fell away for a lengthy time and my score fell to the mid 80's. That was fine with me because in my mind that was still a B+. Yesterday, my score fell even lower.... and, like vocalcoach, the majority of my published Hubs are either now or have been featured...
My take on it is.... Hallelujah, anyhow!.....
I'm not as concerned about my profile score as I was my hub scores. Over the last week I have been doing some light changing. I have changed the titles up a little bit moved some pictures, changed some pictures , added a couple paragraphs in or few sentences in and my scores went up 10 to 15 points
Hubber Scores are funny things. I have been publishing around oe hub a week lately and my hubber score has been fairly static at 88. Then I published two hubs within three days of each other and my score dropped to 86. These have been two of my most popular hubs so far going on the number of comments in a short time. I have also been active in forums, commenting myself etc. It seems when you expect the score to go up, it goes down and vice versa.
The hubber score system punishes you for being active!!! It should be fixed or scrapped.
My daughter has been totally inactive for over a year, yet her profile score has remained the same. I work my tail off and remain active with close to a million views and my score drops.
Maybe you have been reported? Or maybe another site/blog has taken your content and published in theirs. Those sites do not use CopyScape to find out if the posts have been copied or not, while HP uses it all the time even though your hubs may be featured or even an editors choice. Don't know, just saying
Go into edit mode in each one of these and look for warnings. Check videos and see if they are working.
I am not sure that HP is punishing people for being active, per se, but I am growing increasingly convinced that the "stuff" of one's activity is being systematically monitored and is having an impact on scoring (whether hubber or hubs). My growing sense is that there is a built-in "politics" to HP scoring---even if scoring is down automatically and based on some prescribed algorithm.
The stuff of one's activity has ALWAYS been monitored and is part of how your overall author score is calculated. HubPages has always been open about that fact ever since scoring and whatever methodologies behind them got invented.
And starting about a second after scores got invented started the posts where people complain HubPages is artificially punishing them.
Okay, so author score is a function of HP politics?
How else would HP explain this statement:
"You should only follow people who you have a genuine interest in keeping up with."
How earth can HP legitimtely define and measure my "genuine interest"?
Among other things, it says, "Avoid ... following Hubbers of dubious merit."
I've got to stop doing that.
I have no clue. Mine is down somewhat as well.
The thing that gets me, is, Hub Pages answer is always a firm, "Don't worry about your hubber score; it isn't that important." ... or a similar sentiment.
The question then becomes, "If it isn't important, then why does it even exist?"
I don't concern myself overmuch with that score number.
However, my earnings are down significantly...they were already meager, barely earning me a payout about quarterly; now they are down to nearly half of what they were.
I don't know what's going on with that. Whether the "Big G" thinks my stuff is no longer worthy, or if we are being seriously hurt by all the copying and scraping going on, that I just don't have the time or energy to deal with, or what.
All I know is that I'm going back down, down, down, toward the mere pennies or nickels and dimes that I made when I first signed up for AdSense, and then the HP ad program.
This after a (finally great) increase of up to about a buck a day (and sometimes a bit over), for approximately a two-week period last December and early January...(and I have hardly any 'seasonal' hubs), making me think I was finally getting somewhere..
And then the rug was pulled out from under me, and it has been in a slow decline ever since. But that decline has sped up suddenly in the last 2 weeks, pulling me down below the 50-cent a day mark.
Editing/not editing or publishing new or not seems not to matter in this trend.
I have published 1126 hubs over three years (all featured), 60 in the last 6 months, I have 2,556,000 views and I am active in forums etc. Yet over the last three weeks my Hubber score has dropped from over 90 to 86 - I am on the verge of losing active links status. Why am I being punished??? Why am I regarded as inferior?? Nonsense!!!
I have published only about 20% of the Hubs you have (over the last eight years, with never more than 200 published at any one time), I only concern myself with tracking down crap and flagging it and don't hardly ever bother with others Hubs otherwise, almost never comment on Hubs, only follow 15 people (most of whom aren't even here anymore) and limit myself to participating in a tiny number of forums.
And my score almost never changes.
I think quality over quantity is a valid methodology.
So you're saying that following people, commenting on hubs, participating in the forums are all bad things that drag our scores (and income) down?
Strange--I've always heard the opposite--that comments can show up in Google, and help promote us, and that forum discussions are also visible to the public (though not available for them to participate).
I can't keep up; I can't keep it straight. The rules, protocols, and advice seems to keep changing.
**throwing up hands in frustration, here**
That is exactly the claim that is being made here, and yes, time to throw our collective hands up in the air and scream "We surrender!"
I have 278 published hubs; 65% are featured; 36 are Editor's Choice. I could probably do some editing and up the percentage of featured, but I'm not going to, because most of those are poems from some time back, and I realize this is not a super poetry-friendly site.
What am I doing wrong? I have no idea!! But it leaves me wondering whether or not to even bother with finishing the 17 waiting in the wings.....
ALL of my 70 published hubs are featured; several of them "editor's choice" selections.
We are doing nothing wrong, but have yet to determine exactly what factors are included in the algorithm used by HP to generate scores.
If sufficient numbers of hubbers were to take the advice given above (minimal participation, minimal publication, etc.), then it would not be long before HP evaporated due to lack of input. Let's face it, HP is a revenue-sharing social network.
For HP and its writers to make money, activity levels need to be very high.
No. I'm saying what I've always said about making Hubs.
I think putting your effort into doing a bit less but making whatever your participation is of a higher quality than the people who keep trying to do more of everything when it comes to "trying to do better on this site," whatever that means.
Pareto's Principle, the 20-80 rule. All the statistics I've collected from the public or on my own all show that really does seem to play out here. I'm trying to put more effort into just the 20% and not churn out, publish and maintain the 80%. And not just my Hubs, but in any interaction I have with this site, and that's where their efforts go.
The more successful writers on this site don't exhaust themselves with huge Hub pools, they just keep the ones that are doing what they want them to be doing, be that traffic, comments, sales, whatever. They don't worry about followers or scores or the forums, they just really pay attention to if their Hubs are achieving their goals.
I know most of the Hubbers who have commented here and I assure you that they write 'quality' hubs, so your reference to be only concerned with quality over quantity comes over as a little demeaning. Most of us are here to write 'quality' content and because we enjoy to write and improve. Most of the dubious quality are the hubs that are only concerned with making money and telling people how to do the same. I feel receiving and leaving comments for others is the greatest encouragement to improve one's writing. So if the advice you give is true, I will just be content to continue writing my 'low quality' hubs and be unconcerned of any score fluctuations.
It seems to me, from what I've noticed from my own activity, that commenting on hubs and contributing to forum threads makes absolutely no difference to hubber score, but publishing new hubs can cause hubber score to rise. Not publishing for a while causes it to fall.
My hub scores rise if I add words to hubs when editing, but fall if I deduct words.
I don't know if this will interest or help anyone, but I have certainly noticed that my hubber score drops when I have a number of hubs 'not yet published.' In other words, while I am creating them and they are not yet published, my hubber score drops.
I have repeatedly seen it climb to 99 or 100 when I have only one or two not-yet-finished (ie unpublished) hubs, and then drop again as I leave unpublished hubs hanging in the wings. I currently have 8 to complete, and my score is 94.
Not sure if this fits with anyone else's experience, but it might be worth considering if you are looking for reasons why your hubber score is low.
lol. I posted a comment here, then noticed and reported two spam forum threads. Suddenly I've dropped to 93. I think this might become a sport for me ... watching what else influences hubber score.
Sounds good to me.
There is definitely a correlation between reporting spam/spammers and a drop in score.
A couple of weeks ago I reported someone who was spamming and within minutes MY score dropped precipitously!
Seems a strange response to helping clean up the site. I'd understand it if a report was unjustified, but having hubbers keep an eye out is their best way of quickly identifying offenders.
I'll still flag spammers. Wouldn't recommend it to anyone who is new and trying to establish themselves though.
I report dozens of people at a go, especially when I go stalking underage site users. The profile flag for underage was invented because I used to send massive lists of up to a hundred account names at a time. (ah, 2009-2010, those were the days...)
Reporting spam does not reduce your HubScore.
Apparently, you are infallible...congratulations!
I accept that it might not reduce your hubber score, relache ... but I'm not convinced those of us with less years and less hubs under our belts necessarily get the same treatment. So, for now, I'm still counting it as a possibility.
What do you see as being the reason for your hubber score as 99 instead of 100? How did you lose that one point?
I have never given that one point any thought. It's irrelevant to my traffic or earnings.
I'm putting a lot more effort into my upcoming travel. That's going to yield a ton of raw material and photos, and that's the sort of thing I focus on.
When I published a new hub my hubber score dropped -2. I remember having read some post by some hubbers regarding the same development.
I just went outside and looked at the sky.
Anyone's HubScore drop just now?
I love the way things happen differently in the southern hemisphere, Jodah. lol.
Looks like someone found a way to make their score go up...
Ive tried hub hopping and quite frankly, I don't know what Im doing... I feel like a kid with a sharp knife so I put it down before I hurt anyone.
Edit: wanna know something funny? My profile score did drop one point, but only on my actual page... it dropped to 76. Here on the forum though, it's at a 77. How is this possible? It's 10:38 am, if that matters.
This is a test to see if my score drops to a 76 if I make a current post.
Edit: It didn't. Why is my hubber score 76 on my page and 77 on the forum?
Edit X 2: Well, there we go... it has finally dropped. Now I'm happy... sort of. (It only took 5 min for my page to match the forum.)
Yep. The source is the profile page. Then it ripples out to the forums and wherever else in a few minutes.
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