Lot of changes are getting updated in this B site.
Chain of updates -
Payments to INTERNATIONAL USERS (users from the countries other than US, UK, IRE, NZ and AUS) after 60 or 90 days or "whenever they feel like paying".
Redemption Only once in every 30 days.
Now the latest change - This so called Social Network Site divided people too, rates for views, likes, and comments are based on the international rates they receive from the Advertising companies.
Now the activity in this sites is too low and hardly any payments are being made. I think this site will hardly survive and would shutdown soon.
I don't think Bubblews will lock up any time soon. They have their own way of paying far less than they earn. That is, by making sure some redemptions fail with the pretext that "You must have broken some rule". Some users are paid for the first time and never again, while others are paid if they nag the support centre seriously enough. My experience with them can be summed up as plain misery! It's one of the most frustrating article sites on the web.
From what I've heard, it is hit or miss with them. Sometimes you get paid, and sometimes you don't. I always say that you have to be in it for the joy of writing and not care too much about the money.
I started with the B on October of 2013. They paid me three times, but by January 2014, the owed me $150. I stopped writing altogether until I saw my bank balance reached $45 last month---without me doing anything. Nonetheless, I cranked out a few posts and redeemed at $55. When they said that payment would be extended to three months, I stopped writing again. It seems like, they are just pulling my leg.
i doubt bubblews would shut down or go brankrupt because lots of people are still there writing and earning. Of course there are 80% of them who are not paid like me. I had 8 redemptions unpaid since 2013. I still write there due to the fact that one can earn as little as $1-$15 per day by posting 1-10 articles in 400 charcters. While as at HP, one could hardly earn 20 cents per day with 120 hubs. I must admit that HP payments are accurate and prompt compare to Bubblews. It took me 5 months to earn $50 at HP but it took me a month to earn that same figure. I still participate both bubblews and HP everyday
That's because Bubblews pays (paid) you for likes, votes and comments. HubPages does not. No advertiser will pay anyone for liking a post their ad is shown at. So how do they compensate? By not paying some users, citing their vague reasons.
HubPages will clearly earn you more, more frequently in the long run if you keep at it.
Lots of people may be writing, but are they earning anything for the site?
I doubt it.
I'm guessing you have never tried to make money from a site using Adsense or your own affiliate ads, or you would know that Bubblews was paying far, far more to its writers than it was getting in advertising revenue - even though it wasn't paying everyone. It is now massively out of pocket, which is why it has cut back the rate of pay to something they can afford. But the fact remains, they must be heavily in debt already.
Yes, some people are still writing but as they realise how little there is to be made, they'll give up. The end is inevitable IMO.
Bubblews is a scam and we all know that, it's unfair to make diff payment systems for people who live in A area and for those in B area - so stupid - I'm only there to promote my articles and the things that I wanna promote but not for their stupid cash because I once redeemed and I never got paid, I've also sent an email and they've replied telling me tht after 30 days they'll be paying but they didn't, they just make it as such to let most or some users forget about their payment -_- If you want more details about this scamming site, you can check out the article I've written about it in my profile - to find the article search in the last 10 hubs -
It will all depend on if they can keep enough people on there.
Most people realize they were paying out more than they caould be making from advertising so they HAVE to reduce the rates they pay if they want to survive..
If they can still pay enough to keep people active on the site then they will survive....
Unless of course they are grabbing every cent they can over the next 60 - 90 days with the intention of just closing and keeping what they can.....
I am a casual writer at Bubblews, I don't take it seriously as an earner but it can be fun and it is very easy. I maybe write 3 bubbles/week.
Earning rates have suddenly and drastically dropped there, not just for Indian and Filipino writers (where advertising revenue is likely to be smaller), but for Americans too.
I knew it would happen at some point. But the site might struggle now if users drift away from it. It also has trouble with plagiarism, poor English, and thin content on an epic scale, which surely can't help them.
I've been following the drama on Bubblews from afar for a while now (with a certain level of amusement, I might add) and I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up going down the tubes sometime soon.
I bailed on them late last year after they made me jump through a ton of hoops to get my first $25 payout. I did get my $$ after several months of e-mails back and forth with the Forrest Gumps in their redemption department and even once or twice with the Mighty Arvind himself, but once I was paid I said "screw this, it isn't worth the trouble."
In other words, the 5 richest English Speaking countries in the world (except Canada for some reason) are listed. How biased. The site is done.
I hope bubblews will shutdown soon. I also hope that all the staff members facing legal charges. They are cheating people there. It is plain and simple case of defrauding people in a mass volume.
They hide under the cloak of their TOS but they do not have evidence to show that someone's account they have deleted had "not original" content. They set rules and these rules take effect retroactively. This contravenes the general principle of effectivity of rules.
The list goes longer if one wants to enumerate all their unfairness and sinister scheme.
I hope they're brought to justice eventually too. It's pretty much proven that they've scammed a lot of people who followed all the rules. Whether that can be legally proven is another matter, but I hope it happens. Raising the payout limit to 50 dollars and extending the waiting period to 1-3 months were changes that were intended to scam people out of larger sums of money. Now, people will be writing for much longer under the illusion that they'll be paid for it. Unfortunately, the site still gets supporters because they still pay some people some of the time. The natural reflex is to massage the hand that feeds you, and to ignore or denigrate the people who get slapped with it!
If someone will give it time to study all the angles, collect pertinent evidence that fits the elements of an act punishable by a statute or law, they surely can be prosecuted for what they are doing. It is a tedious task though. In the legal field, there are "many ways of killing the chicken." As long as there is an actionable wrong, it's elements provided for and defined by a statute effective in a jurisdiction where the proper court has cognizance over it.
They will wait until I can find all these. They think they are safe because most of the people they scammed are at the other side of the world. Well, they fall short of knowledge on certain legal procedures.
I don't know if this helps, but there is a petition against them. There were less than 40 complaints till August '14, and the number has ALMOST QUADRUPLED!
They may or may not last. As long as they have advertisers and people who are not happy about less money, but continue to post there because they are getting something, those people will continue to post there. They have changed their TOS to the point that it is nothing but mumbo jumbo. I stopped posting when they raised the minimum payout to $50.
I have used bubblews since a long time and now I have eanred a lot but have not been able to withdraw any money.. some kind of error show up.. all the hardwork I did on it has gone to waste
Inspired partly by this thread, I went over to Bubblews this afternoon and deleted all of my old stuff off of their site. I hadn't posted anything there in nearly a year and it was just mouldering quietly away.
I made a copy of each Bubble first before deleting them so perhaps down the road I will repurpose them and use them 'round here or elsewhere. If not, well, it was a fun experiment.
*sigh* I just don't get why there is still a debate about this wretched little scam? It's not fun, it's not fair and it was clear from very early on that some of the most desperate, poor people were being thoroughly ripped off and being forced into all kinds of falsehood without that Arvind guy giving a damn.
Incidentally, that is not a reference to myself. I was on B for a very short time and certainly didn't need 'the money.'
I can't wait for it to crash, go away, get out of my hair and off Hubpages! Aargh!
(Thanks for the space to get that off my chest. )
Well said, Mr. Swan. If the next comment is someone saying how they have always been paid and anyway only really do it for the 'social interaction' I. am. going. to. SCREAM.
Sorry, but guess you will have to do some screaming now. When HP started having problems, I went on to Bubblews to have a place to post a lot of unusable articles from another site I used to write on and a few that I also deleted here.
Sometimes I'd break one article up into 4 or 5.
I always knew that site could not sustain itself financially, but my philosophy was "ride the horse until it drops".
I got paid every single time I redeemed and without incident...even got one last payment last month after not having written anything there in some time. I made over $1200 for very, very little work and what I earned there helped to see me through until HP got back on its feet again.
I am sure people did get scammed, but I was one of the lucky ones. I leave my work there because I cannot use it anywhere else,and also contractually agreed that once I published it, it was theirs and not mine.
For $1200 bucks I think I came out pretty well, but I know a lot of people got burned. Just wish I was a bug on the wall and could hear what is going on over there. Probably some pretty interesting stuff!
Sorry, but the truth is the truth...and while my truth seems to be different from that of most people, it is what it is.
*swallows quiet scream*
I don't doubt that you were paid. I don't doubt that others were paid. I also got paid the one redemption I claimed before bailing out.
The reason I bailed was because I felt, from a purely ethical point of view, that I could not blatantly profit from other less fortunate people (particularly in places such as the Philippines) losing out. And that is how Bubblews 'works'.
I guess, as a consumer of the product, I was successful there. As a global citizen with a sense of responsibility toward others, I was deeply disturbed.
I'm still saddened by the fact that the only justifications I hear regarding Bubblews are based on the 'I'm all right, Jack, I got paid' argument, which doesn't sit comfortably with my view of how I would like our society to work: in terms of mutual respect, cooperation and care.
Bubblews stands for a great deal that is deeply corrupted in our society and encourages not only a short-term, self-interested focus on personal gain but, as I'm sure we all know, a great deal of dishonesty in relationships - pretending to 'like' things one has never read - claiming friendship with people about whom one cares not a squit just to grab another penny - that sort of thing.
I guess, at best, I find that distasteful. At worst... well, let's keep the forum friendly.
I got paid. I make a few cents from the Philippinos which I spend on beer or a very cheap woman. Curiously she is also foreign. One of the benefits of globalisation I guess.
I have absolutely no argument with what you said here, and I, too, have walked away from Bubblews. Be aware that most who started writing on that site had no idea about what they were doing for quite a long time, and I was one of the people who started there very early on. After I started hearing the complaints, I felt that I was in no position to judge because I was only getting one side of the story. I was getting paid, so it was only natural for me to assume that those who were not WERE doing something that violated the TOS...and there was so much cheating, plagiarism, poor writing and stupidity on that site, that given my own situation, it was easy to think that. The only PROOF I have is my own situation, and my own situation has been and is fine.
It is unfortunate that we live in a world where people prey on one another, but it is not only Bubblews where that happens. Look around...everywhere you turn the wealthy are preying on the poor and weak. Have you not listened to our politicians and their budget cutting plans? Do you not find it "distasteful" that they ALWAYS go after child care, education, mental health programs, the ill and the elderly when they speak of making cuts?
Let me tell you, I think what they are doing is far worse than what Bubblews does. Nobody forces you to write on that site, but in the real world, you often have very little choice and often become damaged by what goes on.
Wait until you turn 65 and the government tells you you MUST sign up for Medicare. Oh, you can keep what you have, but if you are put into the hospital, that free part A coverage will force you to make a copay of over $1,000...PER QUARTER, in addition to what you will have to pay with your own coverage.
Then there are the bankers who ruined housing for people, companies like Enron that destroyed their employees pensions, etc., etc.
If you want to scream, scream about those issues because they don't just cause some momentary financial glitches, they ruin lives.
And it cuts both ways. The poor and underprivileged are not always so innocent as you might believe. Those foreigners on Bubbles, many of them, had set up exchanges so that they could make money off of one another and cheat that site out of money. Why else would an article called, "I woke up tired this morning" get over 1000 views and likes in five minutes!
We each have our own things we like to scream about, but we should always remember that there are two sides to every story.
I made up my mind when I went on that site that the very first time they did not pay, I would walk away. Everybody else had that same choice, but few took it. Now they complain about not being paid. The truth is that a moron could have written anything there and still made money back in the day, so it is not like people slaved over their work like they do here. There is no free lunch.
Totally. I scream about all of that, too. I campaign and make the most of my vote. But the fact that other people are up to worse doesn't change the Bubblews situation. This thread was about Bubblews, not politics.
But Bubblews is definitely a small part of a much bigger culture of selfishness and short-term monetary gain for the few at the expense of the many, that I would like to see cracked.
I have to go offline now - so I won't be ignoring responses, I just won't be here to read them for a while at least.
Take care of yourselves, everyone - and each other.
I'm hesitant to say this, but I'm old (er) so I'm going to say it anyway: I'm a couple decades older than the founders of Bubblews. I remember being 20 something. There's nothing malevolent, generally, about people that age; mostly they're idealistic. I think that's what happened to Bubblews. It was an idealistic idea, started by idealistic people who couldn't make it work. Like most ideals, it went bad. Why else do they lower the pay and then are able to pay more people?
I think those two guys actually thought: "Yes, we can pay people something relatively fair for what they contribute to a site and show a new way and new approach that might have an effect on how people go about things."
Something along those lines.
But the model was unworkable. They never made enough money to pay everyone what they promised to pay them. To play catch-up, they said "You can't see your views anymore and you're getting paid less." They went back on their word to save the site.
The model, in this economic system, doesn't work. Someone always loses. That is a fact about the economic system we accept as fine and dandy. No idealism or good intentions is going to beat that fact.
NateB11 I'm undoubtedly a few generations older than you are and in many ways feel just like you do. What amazes me is that right now there are new writing sites popping up that have almost the same premise as Bubblews except that they are more stringent about the writing...but not about the length. They are paying less but won't make it either because to succeed in today's online writing world you need a well developed site like HP that keeps updating itself to meet Google's requirements. HP is far from perfect in some respects, but in many it is superb and keeps getting better.
I do believe Bubblews was started by two very intelligent young men who really believed they could make the site a good site where people could write and make money. I think their success was their downfall; too much, too soon.
I thought it was interesting when I read the two founders have been nominated for Forbes magazine. Don't you have to have big bucks to be included in Forbes??
I did well on the B site to the tune of 999.00. Yup, 1.00 short of 1,000.00. But I do show to have 36.00 there in the bank.
All redemptions were paid on time in my instances.
That being said, I see traffic has slowed down there. I feel it may go under soon or in the near future.
But....today I see my views here on HP are at 100 today. The lowest in two years. What is to be said about HP and the future?
I continue to post to my blog, not Bubblews or HP at this point in time. I get more views on my blog and my Adsense earnings continues to build daily in regards to my blog revenue.
I got paid once..............
I have 3 redemptions that are basically being ignored by the staff at B who reply to nothing and do nothing - I guess my location being in the Philippines puts me in the "Ok to ignore as they can't do anything" pile....
A friend of mine who is a prolific writer there was owed some $800, they ignores all emails etc... Eventually he wrote a very scathing attack on the way that the B staff were ignoring him and 30 minutes later his entire account was deleted.........
Pretty sure that there is nothing wrong with what I have posted as I never add links and only use their pictures and almost all of my Bubbles are double the length they should be - but they are still ignoring my requests for payment and responding to nothing..
Guess it is one rule for those in the US and the UK and another for those of us that are sitting in the sunshine...
If you read the Bubblews guidelines you would have seen that they made a point of telling people that anybody who wrote open attacks on them was in danger of being sued. Your friend was lucky they only deleted his account. Frankly, I'm surprised more were not deleted.
If you read my response to Stuff4Kids you will see why B probably hit foreign writers hard...that does not make what they allegedly have done to people right, but it does make sense.
Sorry you were one of the people who got hit...all you can do is walk away and learn from what happened to you.
Haha. They have the nerve to say that! Danger of being sued. They are in this danger zone. "Attack?" or is it freedom of expression or revealing the truth?
Freedom of expression gives you the right to say whatever you please as long as it does not endanger the safety of others. However, those being spoken against have the right to defend their own interests. You can say what you like, but you should always be aware of potential consequences. In the one fellow's situation, his right to speak out cost him his account.
I believe class action suits have already been started against Bubblews, but to date, I have not heard that they are successful. The problem is that for every person claiming injustice, there will be another stating he had no problems. It then becomes a "he said, she said", which is very difficult to prove in court....which is exactly why the people running that site likely will never be punished for their alleged acts.
Frankly, I would not want to be the person trying to bring this case to court...it would take years to gather the information and tons of work, and for what? Do you think that site will ever have to pay back all of that money? Doubtful at best.
It may not be right or fair, but it is what it is.
This reminded me of Mark Twain's "To the Person Sitting in Darkness". Good piece. Good point.
With all the talk about Bubblews, I have debated whether to continue there. I had to email them twice to get a payment in September. My bank account there grew without much effort on my part, so I decided to do some postings to bring it up to $50.00. I got paid promptly.
I think that the changes are positive on the whole and will make the site better. I wish there wasn't so much drivel on there. I too, like to be able to post news and useful info that I could not anywhere else. Love HubPages though, and plan to stick around.
I don't understand why so many former Bubblews members want to get a piece of the staff there. Writing sites come and go. Things happen that are unfair or seem unfair. If a site doesn't serve your writing purposes just move on. In my experience it just isn't worth the hassle. Just find another site.
I write there fairly regularly and I get paid. I'm sorry if that's a problem for some people. I sympathize but that's online writing.
Whether Bubblews survives or not, I don't know. If they don't, I'll just start doing my writing practice somewhere else. If they stop paying me, I'll just go somewhere else. I hope they last though. I write lots of throw away stuff there and I earn more there than I do anywhere else.
Totally agree. If you feel badly treated by an employer or a website then the best thing to do is let go and move on. The worst thing we can do in life is dwell on negatives of the past or present. We should learn from the past and make better choices in the future.
For the record, I still write a little on Bubblews, but I'm very open minded as to whether I'll get my next redemption. If I do it may well be my last!
I guess that all bloggers know that revenue sharing sites come and go. Nonetheless, the situation is different if the site goes bankrupt and it closes - writers will lose their earnings but they know that it is within the normal course of things. They will simply shrug their shoulders and move on.
But, the issue here is fairness and presence of malice and intent to defraud.
I wonder if you would not raise hell if you have a pending claim of close to a thousand dollars and your account will be deleted for no reason at all. It is not only about the money - when this happens, it is equivalent to someone indirectly accusing you of incompetence and worst, directly accusing you of plagiarism with their act of hiding under the cloak of imposing their TOS. No basis, no evidence, totally whimsical. I did not understand how it felt until I belonged to the statistics. I used to defend bubblews from "attackers."
I don't think Bubblews is trying to be deliberately unfair, I don't think there is malice or intent to defraud. I think they're grossly understaffed and by extension poorly run. I've been on other revenue sites in the past and the axing of accounts and deception by the staff seemed far worse. I'm surprised Bubblews allows the amount of complaining about them on their own site that they do.
I would never let my pending claims go near a thousand dollars owing. Yes that much money involved would definitely upset me. I'd never let it get to that because I know how futile fighting for it is.
I stopped writing real articles there a long time ago. Anyone who does is wasting their writing. You can't withdraw your work from Bubblews without effectively blowing up your account. Hubpages is different in that regard. I may earn peanuts on my articles but I can continually improve them and if the urge strikes me I can have them unpublished so that I can move them somewhere else without hurting my account here. I can make money off my hubs over the long haul. It's a rare bubble that earns much after the first or second day.
The amount of time I've seen writers expend hating on Bubblews is a waste. You're unlikely to gain anything from it. I've seen this all on other sites. I know it hurts but good writers will make money with their time somewhere else.
I'm not going to expend effort defending them either. Screwy things have happened there. They pay me for my writing practice. I'm good with that. If they stop, I already know of other places that will but maybe not as well.
We know HP will pay us.
You never know if Bubblews is going to pay the next payout or not.
Send email to HP, you get a response.
Send email to bubbles, you don't get a response.
Your account isn't suddenly closed at HP for no reason.
Bubblews can and does close accounts on a whim.
Amount of people writing and maybe getting paid has nothing to with do with viability of site. Once Advertisers get fed up, pull out, there is no income for anybody.
I made a post there last night on a whim and only earned 12 cents from it so far. Why waste your time, unless you enjoy reading all the other posts? It must be that half of my followers have left.
I predicted long ago, that they would fail. Don't know if it will happen or not, but one thing for sure....it was obvious that their former payment structure would never last. I made several hundred dollars from them, from over 300 posts.
I recently deleted all of my content there. Not worth the time anymore......for me.
They are on their way out. No one is going to write there with the rapid downward changes they are making. It was good while it lasted but I think it is over.
by David Trujillo Uribe23 months ago
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by Nadine May2 years ago
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by Muzzammil Maniar2 years ago
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by Solaras3 years ago
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by Akash Saini2 years ago
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