Write a Hub that is outside your comfort zone in 2015. (If you normally write informative articles, try a short story or poem. If you're a creative writer, consider a tutorial or explanation Hub.)
This above sentence was copied from the Weekly hub news we received today. I started writing on Hubpages three years ago with short stories and poems and it was shunned here . They wanted informative hubs if you wanted to make money here. What has changed?
Hi suzzycue. I just saw that, too, and thought it was interesting. But I interpreted it differently. I actually thought it was good "outside the box" advice to help us stretch our writing skills. I doubt that anything has changed in terms of poems and short stories getting any more recognition or status than usual. I could be wrong.
Who "shunned" your creative work? It's true HubPages prefers factual writing because that's what pays the rent, but they've never tried to discourage creative writing.
A few years ago, there was a period when there were a number of high profile, hugely successful "sales Hub" writers on HubPages - and (for reasons I never fully understood), the creative writers decided that meant they weren't welcome, but that was never the case really.
The hard fact is that creative writing doesn't earn well, but that's not HubPages deciding to pay less for it - your earnings are based on views, and creative writing gets fewer views.
Creative writers can make big money and some keep writing because of the money. For example, in the year 2011 James Patterson made $84 million (down from the 70 million he made the year before), Stephenie Meyer made $21 million from a single 195-page book, Rick Riordan made $21 million, Jeff Kinney made $17 million and Suzanne Collins made $10 million.
I had a fictional series about the topic I wrote about most on my personal blog, and have slowly been moving those pieces to HP. It's taken a few months, but they all are on the first page of Google and have above 85 scores. I guess I'll continue to move them. It's hard to find the right category when I post them, but I say they are fictional in the summary at the top.
...but surely you could point to actors who've made huge fortunes, yet we all know that the average actor is practically broke and spends their life doing odd jobs to make ends meet.
Yes, the ones with great talent have the potential to do fabulously well, but that doesn't change the fact that most creative artists don't live off their craft. As for your poetry Hubs, we all know you are very skilled at SEO whereas the average creative writer has no patience or interest in such things.
Wow, I really have to learn this SEO stuff. The disadvantage of putting our creative writing here for me is when it's unfeatured for lack of engagement. That's discouraging. I've taken down a few of my short stories and poems for that reason.
I wrote a poem for this account a long time ago and deleted it because it got no traffic. I also had another account where I wrote a lot of poetry and ended up deleting the poems there too. Too bad, I've always loved writing poetry. At any rate, I put most of those poems along with others I've written on a Blogger blog where they will never be seen.
Of course, poetry, even in print, has always been notorious for not being a money-maker.
I don't want to write a poetry hub and pad it with some kind of introduction full of keywords just to get traffic. Kind of defeats the whole purpose of writing poetry.
I'm not quite sure what you mean Suzycue. Are you saying it really was the case that creative writers weren't welcome? Personally, I think they FELT they weren't welcome for no good reason, and read all kinds of imagined slights into factual statements about what made the most money.
I repeat, how much money a poem or short story makes on HubPages has nothing to do with how HUBPAGES treats creative writing, and everything to do with how GOOGLE treats creative writing.
We were not encouraged to write poems and fiction like the hub news letter said this thursday. That is the point of this thread. Why now? We can write them only to delete them because of no traffic. Why bother?
Good question, suzzycue. As a few other Hubbers have mentioned here, unfortunately, creative writing doesn't usually earn much online. However, it's important to us that HubPages remains a great place for creative writers to share their work with the community and get feedback and advice from fellow writers. And as Writer Fox mentioned, a few are lucky (and skilled) enough to do quite well with search engines.
And, personally, I think it's important for writers (even exceptional ones) to constantly try new things. It keeps the work fresh and the ideas flowing.
Thank you @snakeslane and all you hubbers for your input. I was just thinking I did the wrong thing pullin off all my poems and short stories. Maybe my work, at that, is not as great as other hubbers here. It never went anywhere. It did not make sence to me that Hubpages is now interested in us writing poetry and short stories at all.
Maybe time to reflect on the purpose of putting your creative writing online?
If you're wanting to put creative writing on HubPages for the buzz of seeing it online in public then HubPages seems like a good place to put it if you want to invite and get some feedback. Or maybe find a critique partner to work with?
However, for those wanting to make serious money from their creative writing via print publications you will need, in due course, a good agent who will do the pitch to the major publishing companies for you. That's because the major publishing companies rely on the agents to weed out the 'time wasters' for them.
You might want to read up about what the serious agents think about creative writing online
In the meantime, if you want to get your creative writing in front of an agent why not do something about it? e.g. submit a query letter. This is a site which a best selling author friend of mine recommends to her fans re. the reality of what's involved http://www.agentquery.com/writer_sa.aspx It's a long read....
There are also a number of short Hubs on HubPages about how to write a query letter.
But aren't most writers seeking an audience, hopefully a large one? If the goal is just the joy of putting down the words then a featured hub, unfeatured hub, or scrap of paper under the bed is all the same.
Yes, true. You are right about the need to understand SEO basics, but what better place to learn than right here on HubPages forums, and elsewhere on the site. The resources available here are awesome. (Thanks to people like yourself and others who are willing to share information).
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