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What's The Point Of Hubscore If Fixing Typos Drops It?

  1. Kylyssa profile image94
    Kylyssaposted 19 months ago

    Yesterday I published a brand new hub. It had no hubscore when I went to bed last night. I was pleased to see it had a very nice hubscore this morning. I went to look at the hub itself and saw a minor typo that I fixed.

    Just a few minutes ago, while looking for low-ranking hubs to edit, there it was, among the low-ranking hubs!

    I've been deleting low-ranking hubs that don't increase in hubscore with editing. I'm beginning to think that is a bad idea.

    Does hubscore mean anything at all if a brand new, high-ranking hub can become a low ranking hub just by fixing a typo?

  2. Heidi Vincent profile image73
    Heidi Vincentposted 19 months ago

    I have encountered the very same problem.  Every time I improve on an article my hubscore drops.  Makes absolutely no sense.

  3. relache profile image87
    relacheposted 19 months ago

    Every time you make an edit on a Hub, it sends it back through the QAP process to be reviewed and evaluated.

  4. Paul Maplesden profile image89
    Paul Maplesdenposted 19 months ago

    I suspect (although a staff member would have to confirm) that when you make changes of any kind to a hub, it goes through the 'Quality Assessment Process' (QAP) again. QAP forms part of your Hubscore, especially in the early stages, and QAP scores are subjective based on how the rater has scored your hub. Different raters will score at different levels, depending on their perception of your hub.

    For example, when your hub was initially rated, it might have scored 7 on Substance, 8 on organization and 6 on grammar. Next time it goes through QAP, it might get 8 on substance, 6 on organization and 5 on grammar. That would mean your overall score would decrease slightly.

    Over time, the engagement and various other areas that impact hubscore (quality, dwell time etc.) will have more of an affect on your hub score than the original QAP. Of course, you could also make another minor edit and re-publish your hub and the score *might* go up, depending on the new rater.

    Your best bet though, is just to give hubs time and give other factors than the original QAP rating a chance to impact your hub score. More here on the various factors used: http://hubpages.com/learningcenter/hubs … d_13970187

    1. Kylyssa profile image94
      Kylyssaposted 19 months ago in reply to this

      Thank you.

      So the QAP process is extremely subjective and those who rated the hub this morning thought it was very high in quality and those who rated it after I fixed the typo thought it was truly horrible?

      I'm going to make a few tiny changes to see if going through QAP helps it.

      1. Paul Maplesden profile image89
        Paul Maplesdenposted 19 months ago in reply to this

        I suspect that is the case; although QAP does have some checks and balances built in, it is ultimately a subjective score. Over time, reader engagement with your hubs will play a larger part in your score, so it's not something to be unduly concerned about.

        1. Kylyssa profile image94
          Kylyssaposted 19 months ago in reply to this

          Thank you.

          I think the hubscores get under my skin because they look so much like grades and I'm not used to being completely unable to improve a terrible grade no matter what I do.

  5. Paul Edmondson profile image
    Paul Edmondsonposted 19 months ago

    My recommendation is to try and make major improvements - grammar, layout, imagery, and proper capitalization to move hubs well beyond the thresholds.

    1. Kylyssa profile image94
      Kylyssaposted 19 months ago in reply to this

      English is my mother tongue and the print publishers and ezines I've sold articles to haven't ever had any major issues with my grammar, nor have any of my clients. I've never submitted a revised version of an article to an editor and had her tell me the one with the errors in it was better.

      All my hubs are already well above the thresholds. I'm not aiming to just get over the threshold and through the door. The threshold for passing QAP is the equivalent of a failing grade in school. What kind of writer would settle for just barely good enough? Do you apply such low standards to your own life? Or do you, like most people, strive to do better?   

      Many writers have a lot of their self-esteem tied up in their writing. Writers usually strive to improve their craft until they either die or give up writing. A lack of accurate feedback brings improvement to a standstill. Hubscores don't appear to provide accurate feedback.

      I've been using hubscores to determine which hubs need more work so I can more efficiently allocate my time on HubPages. Today's experience tells me that's a terrible idea. My new hub was not fantastic at eight this morning and trash by ten o'clock. It's probably somewhere in between the two extremes but removing my typos certainly didn't ruin it. It's OK for hubscores to be moving targets but if they move too quickly and illogically, they have no feedback value at all.

      Only a handful of my hubs have decent scores above ninety. I've completely revamped hubs with lousy scores in the seventies, adding new material and getting second opinions on them, only to see them stay in the seventies or even drop. However, some hubs that are not even close to my best work, that I haven't substantially changed since their move from Squidoo, have sometimes popped up into the high eighties or even the low nineties despite not being very good at all.

      The hubscores are very discouraging if one is used to a system of grading in which substantial effort and improvements almost invariably result in a better grade. It might help if hubscores could neither rise nor fall by a greater percentage than the percentage of change incurred during an edit unless the edit fixed or created a violation or a change in the scoring algorithm had occurred since the last edit or publication of the hub. If the scores were accurate, there would be no reason to object to such an idea.

      1. RonElFran profile image97
        RonElFranposted 18 months ago in reply to this

        My hope is that recent changes to how hubscores are calculated will start to stabilize them. I like your suggestion of putting limits on how much a score can change after a QAP assessment.

      2. jodijoyous profile image60
        jodijoyousposted 18 months ago in reply to this

        I agree with everything you said, Kylyssa. I have now moved or deleted most of my lenshubs, but I didn't pay much attention to hubscore while they were here. It seemed to fluctuate without any rhyme or reason, and rarely (in my opinion) reflected the actual quality of the material. I suspect the scores will now fluctuate even more as the new system rolls out.