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Traffic Glimmerings of Hope

  1. paradigm search profile image79
    paradigm searchposted 18 months ago

    Well my traffic has gone up two days in a row. And this Memorial's Day Monday traffic was higher than my last week's Monday traffic. Who knows? Maybe summer will stay away a little while longer. Anyone else doing better?

    I should mention my traffic has shown no sign yet of going back to pre the latest Google thumping however. Oh, well.

    1. TIMETRAVELER2 profile image94
      TIMETRAVELER2posted 18 months ago in reply to this

      Mine spiked significantly yesterday, but this is normally the time of year when I would expect that.  I'm waiting to see if the increase continues.  Last year I had three or four months of really good views and income...and then ...nothing!

      I need a new niche for my other site, but so far my attempts have failed.

    2. colorfulone profile image87
      colorfuloneposted 18 months ago in reply to this

      I have been seeing little glimmers of hope.  ---  Its pretty much been up and down, up a little more, OOPs down we go....wait, up a little again!  (oops, just teasing me)

    3. CatherineGiordano profile image92
      CatherineGiordanoposted 18 months ago in reply to this

      Traffic up? You must be using GA because the stats haven't updated for two days. Mine, in fact, just went down. total views went down.

      1. TIMETRAVELER2 profile image94
        TIMETRAVELER2posted 18 months ago in reply to this

        Mine have, and I'm talking about the HP stats.  Wonder what's going on with yours.  I'd contact the team about this.

        1. colorfulone profile image87
          colorfuloneposted 18 months ago in reply to this

          I check HP stats once or twice a day.  I see the views have frozen since I looked yesterday (when they were up).  I hardly ever go to GA.

  2. paradigm search profile image79
    paradigm searchposted 18 months ago

    And I see the HP website has done very nicely the last two days.

  3. NateB11 profile image93
    NateB11posted 18 months ago

    I've doing a bit better over the past week or so. Actually, I've been thinking the changes to the site have helped.

    1. paradigm search profile image79
      paradigm searchposted 18 months ago in reply to this

      I agree HP hasn't done anything to hurt the site. Google just seems determined to torture us.

      1. NateB11 profile image93
        NateB11posted 18 months ago in reply to this

        Yeah, and actually yesterday was not a great day for me in terms of traffic, but I was figuring it had to do with Memorial Day. Though my traffic goes up and down and of course the weekends it will go down.

        1. NateB11 profile image93
          NateB11posted 18 months ago in reply to this

          Actually, one HP account doing better, other not. Which is usual, one account usually does better than the other.

  4. TheDragonBringer profile image96
    TheDragonBringerposted 18 months ago

    Why is Google so mean? I'm not to far away from beating the thump, but it's so hard to motivate myself now.

    Can I have a hug?

    1. paradigm search profile image79
      paradigm searchposted 18 months ago in reply to this

      Same here. lol

      btw, 100K+ views in 16 months is awesome. WTG!

      1. TheDragonBringer profile image96
        TheDragonBringerposted 18 months ago in reply to this

        Thanks, my fans are awesome. Who knew that my love of video games could be productive!

  5. PaulGoodman67 profile image90
    PaulGoodman67posted 18 months ago

    “It's not the despair, Laura. I can take the despair. It's the hope I can't stand. ~ John Cleese (Brian Stimpson, Clockwise)

    1. paradigm search profile image79
      paradigm searchposted 18 months ago in reply to this

      A wise quote.

      It does appear the correct perception of reality here is one of resignation and acceptance.

  6. paradigm search profile image79
    paradigm searchposted 18 months ago

    Well if my account continues to be a mirror of HubPages, then Q is going to report lower HP traffic for Tuesday than Monday. Meanwhile my website traffic has now gone up three days in a row.

  7. paradigm search profile image79
    paradigm searchposted 18 months ago

    And speaking of traffic, a Forbes article about Pinterest, http://www.forbes.com/sites/kathleencha … n-content/

    1. Barbara Kay profile image85
      Barbara Kayposted 18 months ago in reply to this

      Interesting. It sounds like Pinterest is the place to work on.

    2. BWD316 profile image85
      BWD316posted 18 months ago in reply to this

      I have just over 100K views and about 30 percent (31,000) came from Pinterest, mostly to a gardening hub of mine. Pinterest can definitely be a gold mind for DIY, gardening, food and home hubs.

  8. christimay profile image61
    christimayposted 18 months ago

    I'm brand new here.  Any words of wisdom would be appreciated.  This is all new to me.  I have only published one hub and working on the next one.

    1. TIMETRAVELER2 profile image94
      TIMETRAVELER2posted 18 months ago in reply to this

      Hi and welcome:

      My best advice is to take the time to read the information in the learning center and also read as many articles as you can from the top writers here.  People like Patty Inglish, Writer Fox, Relache and Marisa Wright.

      Take note of how they use their photos and ads as well as their capsules, titles and headings and try to relate that information to what you read in the learning center.

      There is a lot to learn, and it takes time.  It will be awhile before you earn any money, but you will.

      Good luck!

      1. christimay profile image61
        christimayposted 18 months ago in reply to this

        Thank you!!!

  9. LongTimeMother profile image95
    LongTimeMotherposted 18 months ago

    Hi paradigm. Two days ago you were excited about your traffic. No sign of any stats updates since then.

    I think you jinxed us. You'll have to stop getting excited. wink

  10. Thelma Alberts profile image80
    Thelma Albertsposted 18 months ago

    Same with me colorfulone. It keeps on going down than up.

  11. paradigm search profile image79
    paradigm searchposted 18 months ago

    Well my traffic went up a little yesterday while HP's traffic went down a little.

    HubPages is going to permanently discontinue the daily traffic stats updates before the end of the year. In the interim they are doing the frequent delays as training for us to make GA our daily habit in place of the HP page. I put the odds of this prediction being true at better that 80%. The only question is will the new schedule be once a week or once a month.

    My traffic range is still definitely stuck at the new, lower post phantom level. Let us hope this is also the summer level as opposed to another significant drop being imminent. Still exceeded HP payout this month even with my frequent scampering's over to straight AdSense. Come to think of it, today is payday for last month. I have hereby just perked up. big_smile

    1. CatherineGiordano profile image92
      CatherineGiordanoposted 18 months ago in reply to this

      I find the HP stats very easy to use...when they are updated regularly. I do not like using GA. I can see why HP wants to get rid of the stats. Makes life easier for them. If they do that, it might just be the straw that breaks the camel's back for me.

      Right now, GA is showing that I have had over 10,000 views the past couple of days. (My hub "Did Jesus Exist" went a little bit viral. Atheists love to share.) I'm waiting for HP to update and verify it. Just my bad luck that I post this hub on the day HP decides to stop updating stats. This is the first time I have had a lot of views and I want to see that 4 or 5 figure number in the HP stats so I can take a screen shot and save it for posterity because I don't think it will ever happen again. And HP is denying me that small pleasure because they won't update the stats.

      Where did you get this info, Paradigm? I hope you are wrong.

      1. paradigm search profile image79
        paradigm searchposted 18 months ago in reply to this

        Re: that 10K views. Forget the stats page, you should be salivating over the earnings page! lol

        As for my stats prediction, it's just a prediction. big_smile

        1. TIMETRAVELER2 profile image94
          TIMETRAVELER2posted 18 months ago in reply to this

          I think it's a prediction you should have kept to yourself.  Many here depend on those updated stats to help them work with their articles.  You may have started a panic with this one, especially with the way you stated it.  You didn't say it was a prediction, you said it was like it was a done deal.

          Stats are off today because today is pay day.  They always are off on pay day.  The other stats get held up due to advertiser payment issues many times.  Please don't jump to conclusions, it's not fair to the rest of us here.

          1. paradigm search profile image79
            paradigm searchposted 18 months ago in reply to this

            Ya know HP wants to. If my post initiates a riot, then maybe that desire will not translate into action. Even better, HP might be moved to initiate a denial. big_smile

            1. LongTimeMother profile image95
              LongTimeMotherposted 18 months ago in reply to this

              Of course the easiest way to attract a denial is to ask a question, paradigm. But that would spoil your fun!

              1. paradigm search profile image79
                paradigm searchposted 18 months ago in reply to this

                When I made my prediction, the whole riot-denial scenario hadn't even occurred to me. I was just making a prediction. Hark! Have I changed history here? lol

                1. LongTimeMother profile image95
                  LongTimeMotherposted 18 months ago in reply to this

                  I suspect you'll never know, paradigm ... unless of course they do stop giving regular updates, in which case the answer would be 'no'. lol.

                  My prediction (for what it is worth) is that one day we'll see that magical "updated 7 minutes ago" message again. It is in their interests to keep us all glued to HP for the latest updates. I doubt they'd want us to only log in once a week. smile

                  1. NateB11 profile image93
                    NateB11posted 18 months ago in reply to this

                    I think you're right about that. HP is a very user-friendly site, I think, and I also think a lot of effort is put into making it that kind of site.

            2. TIMETRAVELER2 profile image94
              TIMETRAVELER2posted 18 months ago in reply to this

              I was concerned enough about this issue to email the team to ask about it.  Here's their response:

              Thanks for your email. It looks like you've been given some incorrect information. I'm pleased to let you know that we have no plans to discontinue stats updates. The stats sometimes take a while to update due to delays with our advertising partners (rather than issues with our own systems), so there isn't really much we can do about those occasional delays, but we certainly don't intend to discontinue the stats or stop updating them. smile

              That settles any questions anybody on HP should have, and I'm glad I asked.

              1. paradigm search profile image79
                paradigm searchposted 18 months ago in reply to this

                Alas, note the wording. If anything, it supports my prediction of traffic stats updating being changed to at least a weekly basis. Hourly traffic stats updating is already long gone. It now looks like daily traffic stats updating is on the same path.

                There is also something odd about their reply, they may have misunderstood you. As far as I know, advertising partner data has absolutely nothing to do with our daily traffic stats calculations and updating; remember how traffic stats used to update several times a day. The advertising data is only used for our daily earnings page calculations and updating. I think whoever answered your inquiry thought you were asking about earnings stats, not traffic stats.

                The plot thickens. And I am now boosting the probability of my prediction of conversion from daily to weekly traffic reporting from 80% to 87%. big_smile

                edit: And now that I think about it, who the heck said anything about discontinuing stats updates? I certainly didn't. An odd reply indeed...

                1. TIMETRAVELER2 profile image94
                  TIMETRAVELER2posted 18 months ago in reply to this

                  Perhaps they misunderstood my question.  I asked them about discontinuing regular updates, not discontinuing updates altogether.  I also think you are wrong about the connection between earnings and updates because the one should at least somewhat be dependent on the other.

                  At any rate, I was happy with their response and assume things will continue on as they are for the foreseeable future.

          2. CatherineGiordano profile image92
            CatherineGiordanoposted 18 months ago in reply to this

            TimeTraveler2:T he updating of payment data is delayed due to advertiser issues. I loved being able to see updated payment early in the day, but it is out of HP's control. I can live with it. 

            That is a separate issue from views. I need my views updated early and regularly so I can manage my hubs and get more views for both of us. (Me and HP.).

        2. CatherineGiordano profile image92
          CatherineGiordanoposted 18 months ago in reply to this

          Paradigm. Yes. I saw it in earnings.  I earned about $10 in a day and I never even got close to $2 in a day before. The bad news is that advertisers may not like atheist topics because my CPM dropped $2 from the day before. It was trending up until I got those 1000's of hits.

          1. LongTimeMother profile image95
            LongTimeMotherposted 18 months ago in reply to this

            Catherine, a gentle reminder that we're not supposed to be too specific about earnings and cpms etc ... but I don't know exactly how much information is too much information. (Just in case you're tempted to write more about what's happening on your account right now.) smile

            1. CatherineGiordano profile image92
              CatherineGiordanoposted 18 months ago in reply to this

              I know we are not supposed to be specific. I tried to be vague while giving a sense of the change. I too don't know where the line is, but if I crossed it I expect I will hear soon enough. Thanks for looking out for me.

            2. CatherineGiordano profile image92
              CatherineGiordanoposted 18 months ago in reply to this

              My little success may help motivate others to keep at it. Things can change overnight. hard work and good luck line up to create the perfect storm.

    2. TIMETRAVELER2 profile image94
      TIMETRAVELER2posted 18 months ago in reply to this

      Is this change a given?  If so, it's going to make writing here much more difficult.  I hope you are wrong about this.  Where did you get this info?

      1. paradigm search profile image79
        paradigm searchposted 18 months ago in reply to this

        Me thinks I better go back and bold that word, "prediction". big_smile

        1. CatherineGiordano profile image92
          CatherineGiordanoposted 18 months ago in reply to this

          OK. Just a guess then. I hope your prediction is wrong. Further I hope HP will make it a top priority to automate the stats so that they happen reliably and regularly.

          1. TIMETRAVELER2 profile image94
            TIMETRAVELER2posted 18 months ago in reply to this

            They used to be that way.  Don't know why they aren't any more.

    3. NateB11 profile image93
      NateB11posted 18 months ago in reply to this

      Oh, shoot, forgot it was payday. Going to have to check my paypal later.

      Yeah, it's gotten to where I'm not checking stats here anymore and just go to GA.

      1. CatherineGiordano profile image92
        CatherineGiordanoposted 18 months ago in reply to this

        It would just be courtesy to post on the accounts page that stats will not be updated until (and then give an approximate time) and give the reason.

    4. CatherineGiordano profile image92
      CatherineGiordanoposted 18 months ago in reply to this

      I am beginning to think that paradigm search is right about HP discontinuing stats. it is going on 4 days without an update. Not a peep from any hubbers about it--we are evidently just resigned and beaten down. Not a peep from HP. I remember the days when HP would at least explain that there was a problem, I guess this is the new normal. No updates, no explanations, and no fuss.

      1. TIMETRAVELER2 profile image94
        TIMETRAVELER2posted 18 months ago in reply to this

        I agree, it has been far too long.  However, if you check your earnings for last month you can at least see the amounts you earned up through May 31.  This does not help with knowing how your pages are performing, though.  For that I have opted to use GA, but it is just not the same because you cannot compare daily, weekly, 30 day and all time views there.

        I am getting discouraged with the way stats are now being handled, but the excuse seems to be that advertisers are slow, etc.  There always have been advertisers, but this problem only popped up a few months ago.

        They really need to change this up, otherwise people will simply stop writing.

    5. Matthew Meyer profile image77
      Matthew Meyerposted 18 months ago in reply to this

      "HubPages is going to permanently discontinue the daily traffic stats updates before the end of the year. In the interim they are doing the frequent delays as training for us to make GA our daily habit in place of the HP page."

      This statement above is not accurate.
      http://hubpages.com/forum/post/2738085

      1. CatherineGiordano profile image92
        CatherineGiordanoposted 18 months ago in reply to this

        Why are we seeing the frequent extensive delays?

      2. NateB11 profile image93
        NateB11posted 18 months ago in reply to this

        Scared me for a minute, I thought you were saying that HP was going to discontinue stats; fortunately, I read to the end, of course.

        1. CatherineGiordano profile image92
          CatherineGiordanoposted 18 months ago in reply to this

          M Mayer didn't stay stats weren't being discontinued  He just said that stats weren't being delayed in order to get us used to having no stats. I think stats have already been discontinued, but we just haven't been told.  It is almost 4 days now.

          1. Matthew Meyer profile image77
            Matthew Meyerposted 18 months ago in reply to this

            >I think stats have already been discontinued, but we just haven't been told. 
            Again, that is not an accurate statement.
            Stats have not been discontinued and there is no plan to do so at this time.
            There is simply a delay.

            1. CatherineGiordano profile image92
              CatherineGiordanoposted 18 months ago in reply to this

              I was joking of course, but at least I goaded you into a response.  Please let us know when there is a problem and let us know approximately when things will get back to normal.

          2. CatherineGiordano profile image92
            CatherineGiordanoposted 18 months ago in reply to this

            I suspect that it sounds like I'm just whining about the stats, but I use them all day long. I don't want my hubs to get unfeatured, so as soon as I see a hub that had no views in the past 7 days, promote it on social media. (sometimes I spruce it up a little first.) Usually, there are from 1 to 5 that need a little push. The stats didn't update for 4 days. I ended up with about 20 hubs having 0 views. That is way to many to cope with.  I can't promote that many on one day. I hope I can clean it up over the course of a week. GA does not show hubs with 0 views. I rely on HP for that. HP really messed up my hub management plan.

          3. TIMETRAVELER2 profile image94
            TIMETRAVELER2posted 18 months ago in reply to this

            He did not say this was being done to get us used to having no stats.  He simply said they are delayed.  Let's not blow this out of proportion.

      3. colorfulone profile image87
        colorfuloneposted 18 months ago in reply to this

        At first I thought, "What?"
        Whew!

  12. LongTimeMother profile image95
    LongTimeMotherposted 18 months ago

    Congratulations on your good run, Catherine. smile

    1. CatherineGiordano profile image92
      CatherineGiordanoposted 18 months ago in reply to this

      Thanks. I have been working this hard for almost a year. I will post my screen shot, if and when, I see it.

      1. LongTimeMother profile image95
        LongTimeMotherposted 18 months ago in reply to this

        The problem with posting a screen shot is the potential for showing the performance of other hubs as well. (You don't want to point plagiarists in the direction of your best-performing hubs.)

  13. paradigm search profile image79
    paradigm searchposted 18 months ago

    A quick GA lesson...

    At top-right change date to yesterday or whatever day or range you want. Click "Apply".

    Go to bottom of menu at left and click the second "behavior". Then "site content". Then "All Pages".

    At bottom right, change rows to 100 or whatever.

    1. CatherineGiordano profile image92
      CatherineGiordanoposted 18 months ago in reply to this

      Ok. I won't do a screen shot. for public viewing. Just for me to go look at whenever I feel discouraged.  The hub has gotten over 10,911views. But something is weird with the stats. Since the hub is only 4 days old, the number of views for past 7 days, past 30 days and ever should all be the same. The number for "ever" is 3000 views higher. How can that be? GA says it got 11,492 views from 5/25-5/27. The views from 5/28 aren't showing yet.

  14. paradigm search profile image79
    paradigm searchposted 18 months ago

    And our PayPal payments have arrove. big_smile

  15. paradigm search profile image79
    paradigm searchposted 18 months ago

    GA will let you see today's data. Just click the calendar. There is however about a 2 hour lag time.

    1. CatherineGiordano profile image92
      CatherineGiordanoposted 18 months ago in reply to this

      thanks.

  16. mactavers profile image88
    mactaversposted 18 months ago

    I've been on Hubpages for over 4 years and it continues a downward slide.  So many of the Hubs that are currently being written are glorified advertising only.  What happened to not writing Hubs that were overly commercial?  On the updates front, it's terrible.  I miss having the Hubs listed in order by rating.  My protest is not writing any new Hubs and only signing in every couple of days, whereas, I used to enjoy both the reading and writing and would check HubPages several times daily. Any money earned is one issue, but it's not fun anymore.

    1. CatherineGiordano profile image92
      CatherineGiordanoposted 18 months ago in reply to this

      mactavers: I have finally started to earn a small amount of money. Payout for the last 2 months. My hubber score is around 95, my hubscores are mostly in the 80' and 90's (my average score just hit a new high) , and I  even had  HOTD last month. But like you I am on the verge of quitting because it just doesn't feel like fun anymore, and there are people in sweatshops in China earning more per hour than I do.

      1. LongTimeMother profile image95
        LongTimeMotherposted 18 months ago in reply to this

        I'd be inclined to leave most of my hubs in place, even if I'm less active. If I'm writing somewhere new, I'll just write new content.

        True, it is not as much fun as it used to be ... but online content seems to mellow and ripen with time.

        1. CatherineGiordano profile image92
          CatherineGiordanoposted 18 months ago in reply to this

          LongtTimeMother: Good advice as always. It's time to see if my hubs can generate any of that passive income I have heard about. While that is happening, I'll explore other writing opportunities. Perhaps I still have a glimmer of hope.

          1. LongTimeMother profile image95
            LongTimeMotherposted 18 months ago in reply to this

            I clicked once, but my message appeared twice. Does that mean it was worth repeating? lol.

            Changed it now. smile

          2. LongTimeMother profile image95
            LongTimeMotherposted 18 months ago in reply to this

            Your hubs have the potential for generating income, Catherine ... even if you're not watching them.

            Hope is one of life's essentials. smile

            1. CatherineGiordano profile image92
              CatherineGiordanoposted 18 months ago in reply to this

              Thanks Long Term Mother. I finally got to payout after 10 months. Two months in a row now. I know my writing is good --I get new followers all the time and praise from other hubbers.  But I have not figured out the trick of generating income--income commensurate with the time I put in. I know you have a great niche and sometimes I want to buy the stuff you advertise even tho I have no need for it--you are that good.

              1. LongTimeMother profile image95
                LongTimeMotherposted 18 months ago in reply to this

                ROFL. That's very funny, Catherine. Thanks for the compliment. smile

                I never set out to advertise anything. I simply write about my experience, and things I personally use and find useful. The majority of my hubs (including my most recent one) don't actually promote any products at all.

                Now you've made it to earning in consecutive months, you'll find it much easier. (Remember though to keep watching for stolen content and filing DMCAs.)

                When it comes to assessing the income you generate vs time put in, try to keep an eye on the big picture. People in sweat shops might be making more per hour than you are ... but they are only paid once for each hour.

                They are not paid next month for a shirt they made last month, and they won't still be making money from it next year - or the year after that.

                One person pays them one wage once for everything they create. You have the potential for hundreds, thousands, or tens of thousands of people to contribute to your payment for the time you spend writing hubs ... year after year.

                Hope this thought helps feed your glimmer of hope. smile

                1. CatherineGiordano profile image92
                  CatherineGiordanoposted 18 months ago in reply to this

                  Thanks LongterTimeMother: The way I computed my hourly rate is how many hours did I spent on HP (writing and promoting) divided into the earnings for the month. I consider HP to be more like my hobby than my job.  I get pleasure from a job well done and from seeing the stats. The stats are like a score in a game. Did I get  a personal best today?  Did I reach some milestone?  I like to watch the numbers roll over. I set little goals . Can I get to XXX views today? I sometimes take screen shots just to celebrate these little events. I had a hub go kind of viral, but stats weren't updating those 2-3 days and I got robbed of all those milestone moments.

                  I think HP depends on the little people like me. I don't make tons of money for HP, but only a few people do that. There are probably tens of thousands like me and our earnings add up for HP. If I leave HP, they won't even notice or care. so I just have to figure out for myself if what I am getting from this is worth the time I put in. Would I get more pleasure doing something else and/or can I justify my time with respect to the money I earn? The two factors together are part of my decision. Maybe a third factor--the pleasure I get from my interactions with some of the other hubbers.

  17. LongTimeMother profile image95
    LongTimeMotherposted 18 months ago

    It is now Wednesday in Australia. Not long until Friday again. There's not much of a window left for stats this week. sad

    The absence of anything new or interesting in feed or forums is depressing. I have a new hub nearly ready to publish so I might finish it off now and put it up.

    Somebody has to keep writing ...

    1. LongTimeMother profile image95
      LongTimeMotherposted 18 months ago in reply to this

      Done.

  18. CatherineGiordano profile image92
    CatherineGiordanoposted 18 months ago

    My hubber score went up to 98 today. Another little bit of pleasure. It hasn't been that high for quite a while. The frustrating thing about this game is I don't know why it went up. How can I play the game when I don't know the rules?

  19. littlething profile image82
    littlethingposted 18 months ago

    Huzzah! Stats have finally been updated. Thank you to the HP team.

  20. rentacarss profile image61
    rentacarssposted 18 months ago

    You've made some excellent points

 
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