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Stealing concepts from hub-comments, or just creative coincidence?

  1. DasEngel profile image61
    DasEngelposted 19 months ago

    I saw someone on forums today asking for advice so they may improve their hub: The hub is based on the exact same concepts that I was discussing with Kathryn yesterday, so much so that I doubt it's just a lucky coincidence.

    What's up with Hubpages? Should we encourage newcomers (?) to steal and counterfeit others' concepts and ideas, and make hubs to satirize the original contributors?

    1. Marisa Wright profile image93
      Marisa Wrightposted 19 months ago in reply to this

      You can't encourage or discourage such behaviour, unfortunately.   

      We used to have a very successful Hubber here, who spent hours sharing her expertise with others on the forums.  She talked a lot about what subjects worked and what didn't, how she chose keywords, etc etc.   Then one day she discovered that some Hubbers were simply copying her every move - by being open and helpful, she had attracted a host of plagiarists who wanted to feed off her success. 

      She no longer offers advice on the forums.   

      It is a great pity that things like this happen, but the fact is that once you put your work out there, you can expect this kind of thing to happen.

      1. DasEngel profile image61
        DasEngelposted 19 months ago in reply to this

        Thanks. But I doubt it's just so simple as you're suggesting that it is.

        1. Marisa Wright profile image93
          Marisa Wrightposted 19 months ago in reply to this

          Can you expand?

          1. DasEngel profile image61
            DasEngelposted 19 months ago in reply to this

            It has been more like targeted attack.

            1. psycheskinner profile image80
              psycheskinnerposted 19 months ago in reply to this

              Then it is exactly as simple as she suggested.  Ideas are not protected by any specific law or Hubpages regulation.  if you share them people can take them.

              I doubt they do so specifically to attack you.  They just see a good idea and take it. Unless you know they are your ex- or something it has nothing to do with you per se.

    2. Millionaire Tips profile image89
      Millionaire Tipsposted 19 months ago in reply to this

      Isn't that where inspiration comes from? If you and I have a conversation about, I don't know, antique spoons, in a public setting, and someone overhears us, and thinks "hey I know something about antique spoons, I'm going to write a hub about it," I think she would be perfectly justified in writing the hub.    And depending on how elaborate our conversation was, she may have gotten a bunch of details to add to the hub to boot.

      1. DasEngel profile image61
        DasEngelposted 19 months ago in reply to this

        I agree. But would I be very happy if they steal away my original ideas, distort and satirize them, in a way just to get my attention and disrespect both of us?

        1. Marisa Wright profile image93
          Marisa Wrightposted 19 months ago in reply to this

          If that's what happened, report it to the team.

        2. theraggededge profile image95
          theraggededgeposted 19 months ago in reply to this

          I see no correspondence between your conversation on your hub with Kathryn and  this other hubber's work. What if it is based on 'similar' concepts? They are fairly universal.

          It's not possible to copyright ideas or concepts unless they have taken your actual words. They haven't so you have nothing to complain about. It's like saying, "I made a hub about cats and now this hubber has also made a hub about cats... he must have read my hub first and stolen the idea of cats from me."

          You should be cautious about making such claims, particularly as you linked to the hub in your own hub's comments.

          1. DasEngel profile image61
            DasEngelposted 19 months ago in reply to this

            It will be easier for the Team to find out the issue, I guess.

            1. theraggededge profile image95
              theraggededgeposted 19 months ago in reply to this

              There's no issue. They will do nothing.

              1. DasEngel profile image61
                DasEngelposted 19 months ago in reply to this

                I'll start doing that myself, I guess.

    3. Sharlee01 profile image81
      Sharlee01posted 19 months ago in reply to this

      I can see where you would be discouraged that another member here at Hubpages has produced a Hub page on an idea you were discussing with another. However, you may consider not discussing your ideas where another can "act on writing on that subject".  You can't on an idea. Now on the other hand if a hub page has been plagiarized. You have the recourse to report the theft of your article. There is a date on your work here at Hubpages. So, it is very easy to prove that another has taken your  material and copied it. However, an idea  you discussed  with someone online, you actually have no recourse. No one can own a thought. I guess  you might loo at it as "first come first served".

  2. DasEngel profile image61
    DasEngelposted 19 months ago

    I've already recorded and saved the hub that is in question. I would rather like to see some good and honest responses. Thanks

    1. viryabo profile image87
      viryaboposted 19 months ago in reply to this

      Like Marisa said.

      Nothing you can do about it UNLESS the individual copied your published hub in which case you can report to team and/or file a DMCA.

      1. DasEngel profile image61
        DasEngelposted 19 months ago in reply to this

        Well, I think the Team (Hubpages) discourage abuse, plagiarism, harassing, threatening, or intimidating etc tendencies and behaviors on this site. Isn't that correct?

        1. relache profile image89
          relacheposted 19 months ago in reply to this

          If you are able to offer tangible, valid proof that this person is intentionally infringing on your written and/or intellectual property, admin will honor your takedown complaint if you choose to file one with them.

          Any other course of action will not result in any content being removed, however personal attacks do sometimes result in forum bans.

    2. Sharlee01 profile image81
      Sharlee01posted 19 months ago in reply to this

      " The hub is based on the exact same concepts that I was discussing with Kathryn yesterday, so much so that I doubt it's just a lucky coincidence"

      Sorry to have offended you.  From your post, I noted that you had been "discussing a concept". I had no way of knowing you "recorded and saved your concept. "  I bow out on this discussion... Sorry again

  3. DasEngel profile image61
    DasEngelposted 19 months ago

    Well, others can play around my ideas, no problemo. I would rather encourage that. But the hub that I'm referring, did something far more than that. I wonder who was behind it, that they thought they could take me so easily. Well, if you're reading this, then pack up. I'm on to you. smile

    1. DasEngel profile image61
      DasEngelposted 19 months ago

      I do grant you freedom to develop on my ideas. But not so much that you steal material from my hub-comments and then create hubs just to get my attention so that you may taunt me. You mostly take the guise of 1-day guy asking for help to pass QAP. You did this before. But, there are limits to everything. :-)

      1. Sharlee01 profile image81
        Sharlee01posted 19 months ago in reply to this

        If you know the person that is plagiarizing your material, report it to Hubpages. I don't think it is constructive to be threatening to others on a forum. Better yet if you know who is perpetrating  plagiarism, please share.

        1. theraggededge profile image95
          theraggededgeposted 19 months ago in reply to this

          They aren't.

    2. DasEngel profile image61
      DasEngelposted 19 months ago

      There is no way they could write that hub without reading my hub-comments.

      1. Sharlee01 profile image81
        Sharlee01posted 19 months ago in reply to this

        I truly see your concerns are warranted. Why not report this problem to HB. I think this user should be monitored. I know where your coming from. I have several older articles I wrote at Squidoo, and they have been copied (along with photos) to my exact words, over and over agian. Luckily I worked with Google to get some removed.  It's very hard to get articles removed one copied.

      2. theraggededge profile image95
        theraggededgeposted 19 months ago in reply to this

        That doesn't mean they plagiarized your words. How could one write an article about... I don't know... the Bible, say, without reading it?

        As mentioned, you can't copyright an idea.

    3. DasEngel profile image61
      DasEngelposted 19 months ago

      I seriously doubt these 'fishy hubs' that steal content and mock original authors, are the works of ordinary hubbers.

    4. Kathryn L Hill profile image84
      Kathryn L Hillposted 19 months ago

      … its fine. no problem!

      Words are words and your words and your thoughts are unique. If they are very very similar or whatever, you might want to get out your magnifying glass. lol

     
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