Lowest numbers on the most read hub.

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   Jackie Lynnleyposted 8 years ago

   My hub that seems most popular with over 52,000 reads is at the bottom of my hubs with a 69 and it has been 70's so I sharpened it up some just to have it fall. How can this be? I hate to delete it but I think that is what many would do who cannot get a hub to rise in score. Actually I had over 100 hubs but deleted probably 40 because of low numbers to not make any difference whatsoever.
   I am just trying to understand how having so many reads does not equal a hub doing well? If Google doesn't decide and readers don't decide, especially now they can't vote down; then what else is there?

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      RonElFranposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Jackie, don't delete your hub! Remember that the ultimate test of whether a hub is "doing well" is if readers want to read it. If I had a hub with thousands of views but a low hubscore, it would make me doubt not the hub, but the hubscore. HP emphasizes over and over that we should not focus on hubscores. So, I would never base decisions about a hub on its hubscore.

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         Jackie Lynnleyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         I know Ron; I keep hearing that too but it is just so confusing to not know the whys of things around here! lol I mean there has to be a reason for everything. I just want to know it. But thank you; I will hang onto it for awhile.

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            calculus-geometryposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Sometimes there's no reason.

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         Solarasposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         +1,000,000,000

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      calculus-geometryposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      The scores have no effect on earnings and Google does not see them or use them in determining search engine rankings.  Readers cannot see them either. Nobody knows how they are calculated, and HP has frequently changed the way they are calculated over the years. All said, they are purely a useless internal feature.
      
      Where did you get the idea that you should delete things that have low scores?  69 is not really that low anyway,  I have some "Editor's Choice" hubs in the low 70s.

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         Jackie Lynnleyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         Readers can see the score, calculus; and I think it was here at forums that Glen Stok (who I look up to as a hubber) said that if he can't get a hub score to move up after tweaking it so much that he removes it and he pretty much keeps 100 so I am assuming it means something to him based on all that.
         Ah, to get an Editor's Choice. Years of months and weeks and days trying has not gotten me one of those either...But I did get hubber's vote in the Hubby Award!

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            calculus-geometryposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Readers cannot see hubscores (the numbers next to the articles on your account page), they can only see the hubberscore (the little number next to your profile picture.)  Look any article on the site, logged in or logged out.  Nowhere on the page is there any article score.  You're safe.

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               Jackie Lynnleyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

               OK; see what you meant, sorry.
               I work so very hard on my hubs and it is embarrassing having a low hub score and if I get busy and get some great hubs in to the best of my ability I end up dropping as I have done over the last couple of hubs. I try to have every hub evergreen and all requirements met. I really wish they would just do away with scores if they can't be fair. I don't write for money (although I give my hubs to ads) so I thought maybe that was why ones not meeting requirements ever got a higher hub score but HP assures me that has nothing to do with it. So I am just at a loss. Thanks for the advice, though.

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      Randall Guinnposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I know what you mean Jackie, but I deleted some of my lower rated hubs, and my score fell even lower. It doesn't make mathematical sense. Of course my number of reads do not come close to comparing with yours. Keep it.

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         Jackie Lynnleyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         Thanks Randall; all we can do is try to figure it out and someone will come in and make a big claim of this and that but we all have eyes to see that some get to carry a higher score, not because they write better or spell better and so we are still left baffled time after time of doing all they say and giving it the best to be given and it is never enough. I know it is always better to be upbeat and I wish I could!
         I guess I won't delete it for the simple fact it does carry all those reads. Thanks for stopping by to help me decide!
         (Yes, mine fell too at first, but then went up some.)

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      Becky Katzposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I had one that was an Editor'sChoice and it had a really high score. It didn't get very many views though. I just let it be and it lost the Editor's Choice. It never gets any views, but the one that has a 65 score always has views. I do not think they know what people are going to read, so I am not going to worry about something that they think is poor. My poorest has the highest number of views.

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         Jackie Lynnleyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         Wow, how can it lose Editor's Choice? If it was it was. Makes no sense; I had no idea that could happen.

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      Rachel L Albaposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I never even got more then 22 or 23 reads on any of my hubs.  No wonder I haven't made any money,  lol   I won't give up though,  I enjoy doing it.  I won't delete any either.  I always wondered what it takes to win Editor's Choice because some of the choices are simple hubs.  I don't know what it takes to get reads or Editor's choice.  Keep doing what you are doing.  It's good.  I like answering your questions too.

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         Jackie Lynnleyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         Thanks Rachel; I don't think many of us get too many comments anymore, everyone seems to be leaving or at least not putting in the time they use to. Hopefully reads are better than comments.
         I am waiting now on a story from you about your mom. Didn't your brother's story make you feel great? If it did I know we can be looking for another story from you. Once people discover you you will get plenty of reads and I will help push your stories out there all I can!

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            Rachel L Albaposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            I will do a story about my mom.  I have a cute story about how my mother and father got together.  I'm a little busy now with the holidays and my granddaughter and her new husband coming to visit for a month.  But, I will get together some notes for my story.  Thank you for the encouragement.  Yes, it did feel great to print that story about my brother.

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               Jackie Lynnleyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

               That's great. They live again in our stories I think is what is so wonderful about it. I wish now I had not taken down any of my moms stories but maybe I will do another one too. Nothing like our mothers; is there? They never really leave us.

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      peachpurpleposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Yes don't delete it, try to share the URL link again, mine was good a few days ago and dropped badly too

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         Jackie Lynnleyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         I have worked on it and noticed my poll has 200 votes on it too so maybe I will just try to upgrade it. Thanks!

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   paradigmsearchposted 8 years ago

   I'd wait until the end of January before deciding which hubs to delete for none or really low traffic. And as for hub scores, if the hub is getting any decent traffic, I'd never delete it no matter what the hub score is.

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      Jackie Lynnleyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      OK; thanks, I sure hope something happens that makes sense in January!

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   DrMark1961posted 8 years ago

   I asked this question earlier since I could not understand how the hub score helped us to know which hub is the worst.
   They do not, and like you I feel they should be eliminated. Do not feel at a loss, just ignore them and go on with what you are doing.
   I have a hub with over a quarter million views and a hub score of 65! I am certainly not going to delete it, and the score will probably not go up since it did not go up even after being edited by HP´s superb team.

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      Solarasposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      LOL - so after Hub Pro it's still sitting at 65. Proof of what a messed up metric Hub Score is.

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         DrMark1961posted 8 years agoin reply to this

         I got a laugh out of that too. If not even HP´s own editors can get the hub score to go up, that is a good reason to ignore it and focus on traffic.
         (By the way, one of my hubs went from 2000 views a day to 200/day after editing. HP says it is just coincidence and has nothing to do with the program. If a hub goes from 200 to 2000 a day after  HP editing, however, the change is due to the program, and those numbers proves it works!)

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            DreamerMegposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            That sounds like a typical politician's piece of talk!

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            Jackie Lynnleyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            You got that right!

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      Jackie Lynnleyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Sometimes jiggling the title will help mine go up. Might wanna try that. I am overhauling mine but will leave it. Thanks.

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         DrMark1961posted 8 years agoin reply to this

         If the HP editing team cannot make the score go up, despite all of the changes they made to it, I am certainly not going to worry about and jiggle the title or do anything else that is going to destroy the traffic.
         At this point I could care less about the hub scores.

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            Jackie Lynnleyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Well I am surprised you showed up! lol

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               DrMark1961posted 8 years agoin reply to this

               Do you mean for this thread? I noticed you wrote that you deleted numerous hubs because of low scores.

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                  Jackie Lynnleyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  Yes I did as soon as I got 100,000 reads I took down ones I just didn't care for and had a low score anyway. I am sorry I ever removed my poetry though months ago when it was considered a bad thing here. I had so many reads and high profile score and well...we can't go home again, can we?

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                     DrMark1961posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                     I have deleted a lot too, but only those that did not have many page views. I have rewritten most of them and now am publishing them again on my blog. Not sure if that would work for poetry, but if you put them all together on a blog they might have more readership than here. Who knows? At least on your own blog your poetry will never be unfeatured for traffic!!!

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                        Jackie Lynnleyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                        I rarely have had any hub unfeatured and as I said the poems were doing great but HP said they weren't so I believed them. lol I see hubbers doing poetry now and have high profile scores so it is just a wacky time I have had trying to please HP and I do not even write for profit; as of yet anyway.
                        I am starting to write what makes me happy...that is the way to go for me and maybe I will be inspired to write poetry again, I don't know. I hope so. I think I did some great ones. Will keep your blog idea in mind. I did publish a book of poems...
                        Thanks

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   Chriswillman90posted 8 years ago

   I'm not a fan of the entire grading system with individual hub/hubber scores because they often serve little purpose when it comes to readership.
   
   I wish there was a standard system in place where a written hub either passes or fails without having a number attached to it.
   
   If possible include a third option somewhere in between when content is barely passable or right on the cusp but needs some improvement.
   
   In the end if the hub is doing well then everything's fine (until it gets unfeatured for quality for some reason).

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      Jackie Lynnleyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      That reminds me of another point; I rarely ever get an unfeatured hub but while they were showing peoples unfeatured ones for a few days I noticed dozens of hubbers with all kinds of unfeatured hubs with higher hub scores. I just wish you could know what goes on here and what the real truth is about having a high hub score because I can tell you I have never figured it out. You cannot look at the hubbers with higher scores to figure it out really. Some may be very good, some may be very bad. So go figure!

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   Jodahposted 8 years ago

   The grading system for hub scores will always remain a mystery Jackie. I have quite a lot of poetry hubs in the 60s but I will never delete any. As long as I can manage to keep them featured I really don't care what the score is. that being said I have no hubs with anywhere near 52,000 views.

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      Jackie Lynnleyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I know John but that is one thing that makes it even "curiouser" lol. When I just did fun things and mostly poetry like a couple of years ago I stayed in the 90s and even bobbed up to 100 now and then. I didn't pay attention to anything green. Perhaps I should just start having fun again, huh?

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         Susana Sposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         In the history of HubPages no one has worked out the Hubscore algorithm. It's nonsensical. For your own sanity give it up.

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            Jackie Lynnleyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            I am sure I might as well but I still protest too much! lol

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   Venkatachari Mposted 8 years ago

   The numbers may not depict the good traffic for the hub. The score is given according to the quality of the hub. Popularity does not mean, a hub is more good in quality. Popularity is based on search results and keywords. But quality hubs may not be popular. So, you should not go by the numbers. If it is doing well in search results, let it be there. Do not remove the hub. The scores are visible only to you. Not to the viewers. So, you should not worry about scores. My most popular hub is with 2,600 views and it has got a lower score than most other hubs which have only 200 views or less.

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      Jackie Lynnleyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks Venkatachari; I will leave it awhile and see.

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   suzettenaplesposted 8 years ago

   I have given up on trying to figure out HP and Google algorithms.  It makes no sense to me and I'm not going to try to figure it out anymore.  A waste of time for me.

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      Jackie Lynnleyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Gonna give that a try suzette and write what I like. Thanks!

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   Faith Reaperposted 8 years ago

   Hi Jackie,
   
   Don't delete it!  Obviously, the amount of views a hub has is not a big factor in the overall score of a hub.  I went through my hubs and the ones with the most views do not have the highest scores.  I tweaked the title of my cancer hub to the specific cancer I had and since doing that without changing one word of the text in the body of the hub, it has remained in the 80s. 
   
   Maybe carefully look at your hub and remove any outside links and proof?
   
   I stopped worrying about individual hub scores a good while ago as it is useless to try to figure out what goes into the process of scoring a hub. 
   
   I think if you had not deleted so many of your great hubs, your hubber score would be in the 90s by now, but who really knows.  I haven't published in so long, but I believe if I had kept on publishing regularly without deleting any hubs, I would be on up there.  I still have a couple hubs down in the 50s, which and I am not going to delete them as they seem to not have any bearing on my hubber score.  They are some limerick ones.  However, I am pleased that my regular poetry hubs are really high in score.
   
   It seems to me that the hubber score is more based on participating in forums, etc. but, again, who really knows.

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      Jackie Lynnleyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      That is the only one I have in the 60s and I rename it and tweak the daylights out of it. Just one of those screaming things. I mean I use to have dozens of hubs in 60s and now I don't but still no rise in score!!!
      I just thought maybe someone knew something new since things have changed again. It has been over two years since I have seen 90s and 100 now and then and I did nothing to my hubs. Simple wrote what I wanted; mostly poetry. I have just been on top of a lot of them with the weather being too chilly to be out until today and thought with all the hub scores rising the profile one would have too. But I guess my math isn't up with HP. lol
      You know I remove nearly half my hubs after I had over 100,000 views and now I am back over 100,000 again. I need a vacation...lol

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         Faith Reaperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         Yes, I remember the old days of when my hubber score at 97 LOL, and all I did was write!  Maybe you are working too hard at it ...

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            Jackie Lynnleyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Yep; two little do gooders trying to do as we are told. We should have known better!

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               gerimcclymposted 8 years agoin reply to this

               I just came across this thread and was going to delete my lowest scoring hub as well. But based on everybody's feedback on this thread, I decided to definitely not delete any of my hubs. So thanks everybody for your input and thoughts. It's nice to have our hub community to consult with

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               Jodahposted 8 years agoin reply to this

               I think everyone's hub and hubber scores have been affected by all the changes. I never had any hubs that weren't featured for my first 4 years at HubPages but now it happens regularly. My huber score was usually around 92 but for the last month is hovering between 86 and 88 and nothing I do can make it go higher. The only steady thing is my average hub score..it is almost always 76 no matter how many hubs go up and down individually.

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                  Jackie Lynnleyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  Almost half of mine are in the 80s and the rest 70s except this one that keeps dropping but last I looked today it had gone up to 72.
                  I do so love poetry; I might get back into that this winter while I have more time to daydream. See where I go from there. Thanks for being a sounding board.

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   Sherry Hewinsposted 8 years ago

   I would take high traffic over a high hub score any day! No way would I unpublished my highest traffic hub.

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      Jackie Lynnleyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks; am taking everyone's advice.

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    UnnamedHaraldposted 8 years ago

    First off, 52,000 views is fantastic. A low hub score... meh. Sure it strokes the ego to hit 100-- I like high scores-- but once you stop preening in front of the mirror thanking the academy for such recognition, actual views are the only criteria for a payout. Deleting an otherwise popular hub because of its score is like cutting your nose off to spite your face. I wouldn't obsess about it. Instead I'd say "Hah. That's one hub the score got absolutely wrong!"
    52,000 for one hub-- now THAT's something to be proud of.

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       Jackie Lynnleyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Thank you! I have 200 poll votes on it too so I would say it is not just people whizzing by it. I am feeling better about it all the time. Thanks again for your time and advice.

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