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Allow Member HTML codes for Hubpages Hosted Advertising

  1. FootballNut profile image60
    FootballNutposted 11 months ago

    With the Ad Program service Hubpages offer, to benefit all writers and Hubpages what is the possibility of allowing Hubpage members access to the hosted Adverts in the Hubpages Ad Program?

    Is there potential that members of this site can add the hosted adverts HTML codes/javascripts on their own personal websites, and continue the 60/40% share on such adverts with Hubpages?

    If members can add a personal site or more to their profile on here, then hubpages grant members access to the advertising platform codes, members can then display hubpages hosted adverts on their sites and share the revenue with hubpages.

    For this to happen Hubpages would have to have a vetting process to insure that the sites that show their hosted codes are up to scratch/meet the criteria, it would also mean that Hubpages would have to allow the advertisers that they host advertise on behalf of the option of which type of sites they would like to advertise on, if any.

    Vetting the sites of members for quality and other criterias would put work on the hubpages staffing team, however it can dramatically be reduced by the facilities that hubpages already have in use on this website, that I don't believe is getting used to it's full potential.

    If we imagine hubpages allow us, and their advertisers have agreed to us placing hubpages hosted adverts on our websites, hubpages will not only benefit from views on this website, they will benefit from all views on all websites that have passed the vetting criterias.

    Then what could happen is, the little search box that is displayed on all of hubpages pages will become our main search engine.

    What is meant by this is, the search feature on this website is operated by google. Hubpages have this custom search engine set so that it only shows results from the hubpages website. This search facility can be opened up, Hubpages can add URL's to websites that are showing their hosted adverts on to that custom search facility (our sites with their hosted adverts on).

    This means instead of just hubpages results being displayed it will show results for hubpages members websites too, as long as they have passed the vetting criteria and display hubpages hosted ad codes.

    So all the results will not only be for this website, they will be for all our sites (the hubpage members) that show hubpages ads, this benefits hubpages massively as the share rate will still be 60/40%.

    If this was put in place, then all hubpage members used the search box on hubpages to find out things that they search on search engines for, it would benefit us all, and I have no doubt that if we all had our sites included in the search results between us we could find out any information we require, just like we can on google etc. The purpose of this would be to use hubpages as our main search engine so we all benefit from it.

    The vetting process as mentioned above would put a strain on Hubpages staff some say (I don't think it would that much), because beings their search facility is google operated that would help cut out a lot of the vetting as google will only show the best results across all our sites, the poor quality content will not be displayed in the search, so this helps hubpages.

    We can also help their staff by reporting violations on sites that we find when we conduct searches.

    Hubpages biggest task in making this happen would be too get the advertisers of their hosted adverts to agree to being exposed across multiple sites that have been vetted by hubpages, instead of only being shown on pages that have been vetted by hubpages on hubpages pages.

    Some might say Hubpages will not do this because they have no control over the content displayed on our sites, the solution here is hubpages do not need control of content, they have control of the ad codes that we would display so can disable and enable codes depending on if our sites are misbehaving.

    The cost of this would be something Hubpages would have to look into, however all I see it being is them giving us trackable codes, then adding our websites to their okay list for showing search results on here. Obviously there is more to it that that as sites will need to be vetted, sites would only need to be vetted once though, the first time we submit them, if they're pass then we misbehave the behaviour of their ad codes will inform them that a certain site is misbehaving, therefore they can remove the code from that certain site and contact their member.

    The question is how many hubpages users have their own website and would be willing to add hubpages hosted ads to their site (another way to monitor and earn)? If hubpages offered this I would actually remove all google adsense from my website and put hubpages ads in as they seem to perform better.

    A solution to better traffic is to create our own search world that only has our stuff on it, and between hubpages, our own sites and google custom search we can conquer that, all we would then need to do is only use hubpages for searches, if no search results come back for a search you do then you have just found your perfect next article to research and write about.

    If Hubpages looked into opening their hosted ad platform and their search facility that only shows results to sites that have their hosted ads on, they will not lose anything they will still earn 40% no matter if it is a hubpage that a searcher diverts to or a website with hubpages ads on.

    The reasoning for this forum post is because of the way keywords are no longer that beneficial, which I have wrote an article about.

    1. paradigmsearch profile image89
      paradigmsearchposted 11 months ago in reply to this

      I suggested this to HP over a year ago. They ignored me. big_smile

      1. FootballNut profile image60
        FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

        It makes sense to have something like this though.

        Only just joined and it became immediately apparent they're missing a trick here, didn't realise it had already been suggested. Maybe if enough people that contribute to hubpages got behind this they would have no choice but to help us more, which in turn will then help them even more in the long run, or at least explain to us why this is not possible.

        It would be our search engine community, that we can encourage non members to use, plus we will all get better rankings on search engines outside our community search engine, which again would benefit hubpages as they would have their ad codes on our sites, if we chose to add them of course.

        Furthermore we could also add the hubpages search box to our sites to support each other even more, obviously all this would be site owners choice and not be compulsory.

        1. paradigmsearch profile image89
          paradigmsearchposted 11 months ago in reply to this

          Even though when I made the suggestion way back when the CPM was double what it is now, I still agree.

          And I've made suggestions before which were ignored, but then were "suddenly" implemented a year later.

          And your suggestion is much more descriptive and expanded than mine was. Mine was simply about adding the JavaScript ad code to our sites, etc.

          Who knows? Maybe HP will take notice this time. smile

          1. FootballNut profile image60
            FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

            The chances are they will not if similar suggestions have been made. Who knows though, I should imagine if they don't act members will drop off like flies and take their content elsewhere.

            Guess we will just have to hope and pray that everything picks up. Ranking on search engines is gonna be impossible soon given media and wikipedia sites are gradually taking over every first page in the results, so hubpages will suffer more and more if they don't act, "In-House Search Engine Community" which is simply made up of hubpages pages, our sites and google custom search, is what I would like to see implemented.

    2. Christy Kirwan profile image
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      Christy Kirwanposted 11 months ago in reply to this

      Our agreements with our advertising partners and networks would not permit this, and we do not have the resources to ensure a consistent formatting, quality, and standard of writing across multiple sites. People have the option to put their content from their own sites on HubPages after removing it from Google's index if they wish to earn from it with HP Ads.

      1. FootballNut profile image60
        FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

        Is there no way Hubpages would in effect tell google to do one and drop off of google (where you're getting less and less traffic from judging by what I have read in forums on here) and then source a new traffic stream (such as VISITOR searching, which is a pretty big these days)? And earn just an income from HP Ads and from other ad platforms?

        It seems Hubpages are doing everything they can to please google but as individual authors we do not benefit from the traffic it sounds like, because as individuals we get little, but hubpages benefits because it gets little from all of us.

        Have the advertisers been asked previously? If they did agree though would hubpages invest in this site by creating their own search facility and re-branding the site as search facility suppose to branding it as a place to earn for writing? It has always been branded as a place to earn for writing, now though Hubpages has writers and has tons and tons of content that is not being seen so the site is not moving forward it is going backwards. Would sending a new fresh message out to visitors of this site be a good suggestion instead of keep branding the site as it being for writers to earn, writers and content are here right now, Hubpages need to step up and take the site forward instead of doing everything they can to please google in return for them only allowing content of quality on this site to be found by luck on their search engine platform behind news media websites and wikipedia, the rest of the traffic on here seems to be member generated?

        There are potential solutions to problems in doing this in the comments on this thread. The only issue is arrangements with advertisers. Sticking with the best paid ones though that won't allow you to do this is going to cause more harm than good!! Shop around, there are advertisers that will allow you to do it, the principle amount of earnings may be slightly less but at least it will be ongoing, it seems hubpages are sticking with the highest paying ones to earn as quick as possible, then if the site dies off it won't matter hubpages have made their money!!

        Sure you can launch a program called something like HubSence and host adverts for companies, then distribute codes to HubSence partner sites (ours on here), then include HubSense partner site links in amongst search results with hubs that are written).

        Have hubpages attempted to get investors on board in an attempt to cut free from google and get their brand out there/take hubpages to the next level instead of keep relying on lucky search engine results?

    3. FootballNut profile image60
      FootballNutposted 6 months ago in reply to this

      Youtube to show live football........

      Is this not the start of googles REAL dominance as mentioned in this thread?

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36279287

  2. Marisa Wright profile image93
    Marisa Wrightposted 11 months ago

    My concern with this is that you say sites would only need to be vetted once.  But what is to stop members from creating a site suitable to pass inspection - then as soon as they're approved, they start posting about prohibited subjects, or add other affiliate advertising that HubPages doesn't approve of?

    1. FootballNut profile image60
      FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

      The ad codes would pick up on this.

      For example if I created a website to just pass the vetting process and my site was just say about football/soccer, the ads shown by hubpages on my site will be football/soccer related as the codes are targeted adverts to do with the content being displayed.

      If I then changed my site after passing the vetting to say a porn site, there would be no targeted ads as Hubpages do not have advertisers of this nature.

      This means Hubpages will not be earning no revenue through the codes on my site, they will then be able to see my site is not performing for them and will see I changed it to a prohibited natured site, one click ban me.

      Not only that, as we would be using this as our community search engine, members can report sites to hubpages that are violating, this will help their staffing team a lot to, they help us we help them, community spirit.

    2. FootballNut profile image60
      FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

      Another idea is the hubpages home page.

      Would it be a good suggestion to have just a search bar on the homepage, no post of the day, popular/best posts etc on that page, put that on a different page?

      What I mean by this is, people that are not part of this community will come here then to conduct searches, they will see it as a site that can tell them something they want to know rather than landing on the current homepage and seeing it as a site where people write to earn an income.

      Imagine if hubpages laid the homepage out like that, we would all be behind the scenes but when visitors search our results will appear, at the moment they land on the homepage and see what hubpages want them to see, rather than seeing this site as a search engine/information source.

      Would it not be better if they never saw what hubpages wants them to see on the homepage as that is distracting them from seeing what they wanted to see, ie just put a search bar on the homepage that way visitors will search the hubpages directory and get results for information they are seeking.

      Just throwing ideas out.

      1. Marisa Wright profile image93
        Marisa Wrightposted 11 months ago in reply to this

        But WHY would they come here to conduct searches?   Currently, the only people who arrive at the home page are writers - either existing members, or writers looking to join up.  Virtually all HubPages' traffic comes directly to an individual Hub or profile from the search engines or social networks, and there is no reason for those visitors to go to the home page. 

        How are you going to change that?

        1. FootballNut profile image60
          FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

          Exactly, it is not being used to it's full potential.

          The answer to why they would come here to conduct searches is because there is thousand and thousand and thousands of information on this website that people look for every day but they only find the information of odd pages on search engines. So thousands and thousands and thousands is not getting the attention it deserves.

          This website should be branded as a search engine not a platform for writers. The writers should be in the background. If hubpages promoted this website as a search engine people will start using it to conduct searches and may even save the hubpages search engine as their main search/information seeking site. Whilst in the background us lot are working away writing content to make sure them searchers are getting the information they require. Promoting hubpages as place just for writers is holding this website back. Promoting it as just for writers means only writers will use it, whereas promoting it as a information seeking site would attract people who are looking for information, they then do searchers then find information written by us the members. To change it is simple, remove the current homepage and just have a search bar on it, with maybe a little link saying become a writer.

          If you never heard of this website and needed information about something and landed on this sites home page that displays editors choice, hub of the day etc with linked images to hubs that have nothing to do with what you wanted information on the chances are you will leave. If there is a nice big search bar and nothing else on that page the chances are you will search for the information, then who benefits? The authors of the hubs that display on the custom search results pages.

          1. Brynn Thorssen profile image89
            Brynn Thorssenposted 11 months ago in reply to this

            I really have to agree that the HubPages home page does not encourage outsiders (i.e., people who are not wanting to join as writers and are just looking for info) to come in and browse.  The same hubs tend to appear month after month.  When I joined many months ago, that snot article was popular, as well as the military diet. 

            I have never seen a hub pages article on Facebook nor have I ever seen hubs on the Yahoo home page.  This is really frustrating; I have the max number of friends and about 250 followers, and no one knows what HubPages is.  I feel like I am literally the one person out of 5,200 driving readers to HubPages. 

            I wouldn't mind it so much if we were allowed to publish our articles in more than one place, so we could at least make a name.  We could still drive traffic back to HubPages.  As an unknown author, it is really frustrating for me to have to grant exclusive rights for literally pennies.

        2. FootballNut profile image60
          FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

          I just set up a quick custom search engine with only hubpages URL in.

          Imagine this page was customised by hubpages, it displays their logo etc (I have not added it as it would be copyright infringements). But just imagine this page is set up branded as hubpages and is the homepage for hubpages.

          https://cse.google.co.uk/cse/publicurl? … ukzkbeq_lk

          What would be better is if you and others if you have them give me links to your own websites, that have the hubpages Ad Program adverts displayed on, I can then add such links to the custom search engine. Showing your sites results in with hubpages results, it will not matter to hubpages if searchers divert to our sites as the sites added to the custom search  will display hubpages adverts so they don't lose nothing, they gain by having more exposure on their hosted adverts.

          If you do a example search on that link the results may pop up in a different window, that is only because it is not embedded in a site. The results will come up on a normal page if embedded.

          1. Marisa Wright profile image93
            Marisa Wrightposted 11 months ago in reply to this

            That doesn't address my point.

            Yes, HubPages could set up its Homepage with a custom search as you suggest.  BUT what good would it do, if no one ever visits the page to see the search box?  You have to solve that problem first before it can have any value.

            1. FootballNut profile image60
              FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

              You can not solve that problem until changes are made.

              Firstly, they can promote it as a search engine rather than a place where thousands of people write content that no one other than their community will see.

              Hubpages have twitter and social media pages to announce they are a search engine.

              The promotion of the site would be their problem not ours, it is down to them to invest in their business and get the message out there that this is a search site.

              As for adding value to the home page that no one sees, it has none or has little at the moment yet we as writers still keep writing in the hope that we get found above millions of other sites on search engines. If you think it has no value because no one ever visits the page then in theory what your saying is editor's choices, hubs of the day are not gaining value from being plastered on the homepage, there must be value in that though as hubpages continue to add such content to the home page, but it is not as much value as it could be.

              It will not take long for the many writers to get the word out there that we use hubpages as our main search facility, along with hubpages promoting their new angle of what this site is. No one heard of yahoo, bing, google, or other search engine sites until them sites done something to get their brand seen. If anything hubpages is in a better position as them sites done it without social media being as big so it cost them money, now everyone has social media so messages can get out there for free.

              1. Marisa Wright profile image93
                Marisa Wrightposted 11 months ago in reply to this

                No I do not see any real value in having Hubs featured on the home page!   However, as I'm sure you know, Google dislikes home pages which contain no useful information, so there is value from that perspective.  Also, remembering that the home page exists to entice prospective members, highlighting the existence of awards is one way to attract them to sign up.

                I do think you're being naive to think that HubPages can just decide to turn itself into a search engine, up against the might of Google and Bing.  It is a small company and the active community is quite small, so the potential for promoting the idea isn't as great as you think.

                1. FootballNut profile image60
                  FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

                  A small community that is going to get smaller and smaller if the benefits of giving Hubpages our content does not return worthwhile rewards.

                  Google does not like home pages which contains no useful information, firstly have you seen the google homepage?

                  The only value of showing awards on the homepage is to the authors of the hubs that get placed on the homepage. It is of absolute no use to a searcher or someone that lands on that homepage that is not looking for the information that Hubpages grants as being the hub of the day, they leave.

                  With the points you have made can I ask you "who is Hubpages target audience?"

                  Is it people that seek information?
                  Is it people that want to write for the purpose of hoping to get at least one hub out of many ranking?
                  Is it people that want to write just so others on Hubpages can see it?

                  In effect it is already a search engine so if wouldn't be turning itself into one. You go to search engines to find things out. You use the hubpages search thing to find things out, all the materials are there they're just not being used to their full potential.

                  As for the front page it does not have useful information on it currently, all it has is links to what hubpages select to put their when making their editors choice selections, it has absolutely no other useful information explaining what the site is about, it just has 5 links that is for our (the writers) knowledge not a normal visitors, I shouldn't think a normal visitor who is looking for information cares that peanut pete got editors choice or not, they want information.

                2. FootballNut profile image60
                  FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

                  Also if Google do not like blank homepages then why do they allow you to set up custom searches like this

                  https://cse.google.co.uk/cse/publicurl? … ukzkbeq_lk

                  1. Marisa Wright profile image93
                    Marisa Wrightposted 11 months ago in reply to this

                    Google custom search allows a website owner to create a custom search engine for their website - I don't think I've ever seen a website use it as their entire front page. 

                    The purpose of a good home page is to give Google a clear picture of what the site is about.  Google doesn't need to explain itself to itself with its own home page.  I agree that HubPages' front page doesn't do a good job of explaining the site currently, but a blank page would be even worse.

                    HubPages' target audience, right now, is people searching for information on Google.  Once one of those readers has arrived at a Hub, HubPages tries to keep the reader within the site by showing related Hubs (on the same topic) and a few Hubs by the same author.

                    Some readers may use the search function but as it's not very good (it includes forum posts etc as well as Hubs), I can't see many readers persevering with it - it's so much easier to click the "Back" button and go back to the results you've already found on Google.  If HubPages wants to be a search engine, then they need a more refined search facility than what they've currently got - have you actually tried it?

              2. Brynn Thorssen profile image89
                Brynn Thorssenposted 11 months ago in reply to this

                One of the bigger issues with the home page is that the same hubs appear for a very, very long time.  Why not set up a platform like on Etsy, where people can make "treasuries?"

            2. FootballNut profile image60
              FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

              What is another plus is all our hubs will still be good enough to rank on them search engines so the traffic the site is currently getting will not change.

              They have nothing to lose.

              It gives them more of a chance of people that find information via a search engine to think, oh I found the last piece of information I needed on hubpages, I will go there again and search, if they find the information again, then again then again the chances are they will save hubpages homepage as a tab on their devices and start using it to source information.

              Then the saying between circles of friends will start

              where did you get that? Or how do you know that?

              "I read it on hubpages"

              More free exposure.

              The search results will filter the best search results (a source of quality control saves hubpages work).

  3. calculus-geometry profile image85
    calculus-geometryposted 11 months ago

    When you posts suggestions during weekends and holidays, you are only left with other users to argue with.  If you want a staff response, post your ideas on a weekday after the New Year's/Christmas holiday is over.

    1. FootballNut profile image60
      FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

      The things Marissa has mentioned are things that need to be thought about but really their not things that are our problem, the problems would be hubpages problems, although nothing is really a problem to do this accept adding Ad Program adverts on our personal websites, that is out of Hubpages control too, but I am sure if they offered this option to their advertisers and allow advertisers to pick which type of sites they want to appear on it is something they would be interested in. If their not though or this part is not possible for some reason, there is nothing stopping hubpages still turning this site into a search engine that obviously would then only show hub results. Which will better than the current front page.

      If we look a this site like Marisa said, people find pages of this site on search engines etc, when they get to them pages they read the page and leave, hubpages need to think of a way to keep them on here and to come back without the aid of search engines.

      1. calculus-geometry profile image85
        calculus-geometryposted 11 months ago in reply to this

        Sorry, DasEngel, I assumed incorrectly that your end goal was getting someone more official to respond to your big ideas. I now see this thread is going exactly in the direction you intended. Carry on.

        1. paradigmsearch profile image89
          paradigmsearchposted 11 months ago in reply to this

          This had not occurred to me. Are you sure??? lol

          If so, then to all...:
          https://i.imgflip.com/whjw6.jpg

          1. FootballNut profile image60
            FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

            Just found this post from hubpages 9 months ago. So the google search has not been on here long I presume?

            Judging by some of the comments left by hubpages they seem a little unfamiliar with the features of the custom search, may be there is a chance of this happening then......

            http://hubpages.com/community/forum/129 … ges-search

            1. Marisa Wright profile image93
              Marisa Wrightposted 11 months ago in reply to this

              On that thread, you'll notice the HubPages   staff member says it's a rarely used feature. Proving big changes would be needed for it to offer any real benefit to our blogs.

              1. FootballNut profile image60
                FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

                A start to make it more used would be to emphasis it and let people/visitors know this is a site that can supply them more than the five pieces of information they currently see (not through visitors choice) on that horrible frontpage lol.

                It seems rather than attempting to attract everyday searchers hubpages are more concerned about keeping writers adding content. What is the point having writers whose pages chances of being found are pot luck?

                Well anyway has been interesting chatting. Am off for a kip now smile. Enjoy your day/night.

                We will see what they say if anything mate.

                1. calculus-geometry profile image85
                  calculus-geometryposted 11 months ago in reply to this

                  Well, whoever you are, you are right that the front page is not very appealing, but don't you think a better use of HP's resources is to get rid of the garbage pages that make Google hate it so?  As boring as the front page is, it does the job of being a front page and doesn't show too much crap to non-registered visitors or logged out users.  Only logged in users see a those stupid forum posts on the front page.

                  1. FootballNut profile image60
                    FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

                    It would be useful yes. But Google can do that automatically.

                    The custom search that Hubpages uses is powered bu google, that will only show featured content in seach results, that would include only showing pages from our own sites too, they will only show results for content with good enough attributes.

                    The front page shows 5 links, so when visitors come (however many) all they will think is this site is is about them 5 things, if they're not interested in them 5 things they will leave. Surely what we want is visitors (real people looking for real things not looking to earn/be a writer) looking at our stuff repeatedly/return visits, rather than just us looking at each others stuff with a few visitors going directly to content pages from search engines every known again.

  4. Marisa Wright profile image93
    Marisa Wrightposted 11 months ago

    I do think you're doing your idea a disservice by muddling several ideas.

    CURRENTLY, there is no point "fixing" the home page or the search function because IN THE CURRENT DESIGN OF THE SITE, these are rarely used features - readers especially do not visit the home page.   

    If your idea is adopted, and readers were being encouraged to use the search engine/home page, THEN it would be worth fixing them.  But the first step is to work out how to get readers visiting the home page in the first place - if that can't be done, then your idea can't succeed because not enough readers will use it. 

    Personally, I can't see how it could be done.  Why should readers choose to come to HP instead of to Google or Bing or Wikipedia as they do now?  If HubPages hasn't managed to establish a reputation as an information source in all the years of its existence - and bear in mind it had a far higher profile four or five years ago than it does now - why would that change?

    1. FootballNut profile image60
      FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

      It has never sent the message out that it is a information source since it began, it has only ever sent the message out "come here and write to earn" that is why it has never built a reputation up of being a information source. That is what I mean, it now has "writers that have come here to earn" but it is not changing it's message to visitors, it needs to change the message now before it is too late, get the message out there that this is a information source.

      It needs re-branding (I don't mean changing the name it needs re-branding from this is a site to earn for writing to we can tell you anything.

      As for getting people to come to hubpages over google, bing and wikipedia, it is not really about that, but wouldn't it be nice to give  them the option to? And then like I say, if they can find good information, they won't be afraid to come back to conduct more searches, if they continue too it gives Hubpages a chance of returning visitors to want to use the site more often, but as hubpages has not moved with the times and changed from being a site to earn to being a site to seek information it has no purpose to anyone except us who are looking to earn, by that I mean it has not built a reputation for being informational site I do not mean those that luckily find one of our hubs on search engines do not find the page they look at as not purposeful.

    2. FootballNut profile image60
      FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

      I see your other comment but there was no reply link your comment was

      You say "it only takes one person to realise this site is more ..." but the thing is, the site has been in existence since 2006 and has had millions of readers in that time - and thousands of members!   I don't see even see any HubPages members using HubPages as a source of information - and we already know what the site contains.

      In the original post, it says, about making this our information source to conduct searches on when we want to know things. Obviously that is everyone's choice, but why write on a information site if we don't trust the site enough to find good information that we personally want to know?

      If we don't see this site fit to conduct our own searches when we want information, how the hell do we expect visitors to? We need to set the example, we can start the ball rolling for the search feature, just by simply using it then when people ask how we know something etc, oh searched it on hubpages (word of mouth) look how google snowballed through the phrase "google it". No, I know this site will never be that big but this site if re-branded to this is a information site has the potential to come back from the dead and break its page view records (if members are patient and give it time).

      1. Marisa Wright profile image93
        Marisa Wrightposted 11 months ago in reply to this

        You say, "If we don't see this site fit to conduct our own searches when we want information, how the hell do we expect visitors to?" - well, I wouldn't expect visitors to, and I certainly wouldn't feel comfortable recommending anyone to do so.  If they are seeking accurate information on almost any topic you care to name, they would be better off using a Google search to find the many specialist sites run by writers with some level of expertise in their topic.  There are thousands of those now. 

        That is HubPages' big problem, not the fact that search isn't prominent enough or that the home page isn't attractive enough.  It's that the structure of the site doesn't allow for subject specialists to build a reputation or connect with their readers.

        1. FootballNut profile image60
          FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

          If that is your trust level here on hubpages why are you competing to be ranked with thousands of expertise sites on search engines by writing on hubpages?

          Search engines will rank expertise sites above hubpages experts writers for particular topics.

          The search feature on here that is powered by google will source out the expert writers ON HERE and display their hubs over poorly sourced writers from HERE, this means experts on here are not competing with anyone, it means expertise sites that list on google will not be above expert writers from here. In the exact same way google search results is shown, it puts best content/relevance content above poorer content. The custom search is google operated that will act in the same way for search results on here.

          The only way expertise sites will rank above hubs in search results on here is if hubpages add our sites to their search results that have ad program ads on, the likelihood there though is, top ranking hubbers of certain topics will be more like the ones whose own website links are ranking above their hubs, so it is win win.

          It will get to the point where expert writers of the same topic will be competing for top search results by writing better hubs than other expert hubbers in the same topic (hub competition for top results).

          This will then give hubpages the chance to tell the members that have poor search result ranking that they need to supply better content, or give hubpages the chance to delete poor content (making the site better), hence why I said above if members are patient it will come back from the dead.

          If in 6 months the site can clear the crap via using the search tools to their full potential, search results will be cleaner, accurate, informative, at this stage recommending others by word of mouth, ie found it on hubpages will not have to be done embarrassingly.

          Interaction, is adding contact details in capsules on here prohibited?

          1. Marisa Wright profile image93
            Marisa Wrightposted 11 months ago in reply to this

            Yes, adding contact details or inviting readers to sign up for your newsletter on a Hub are both prohibited.

            I do not trust HubPages, I trust Google and Bing to respect my Hubs on an individual basis.  I am aware that HubPages' Panda score drags my Hubs down but hopefully their age and reputation is enough to counteract that.    I don't write on my specialist subjects on HubPages because I know those articles will do better elsewhere.

            1. FootballNut profile image60
              FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

              Why hope that their reputation is enough to counteract that, why not make changes to MAKE SURE they get respected?

              Trying this suggestion is not going to effect the current ranking on search engines, traffic however large or small will still come from google and bing. Just not to sure why your so against replicating google and bing on a smaller scale (yes it will take time to clear out content that drags the site down, but it don't mean to say it won't get done). Google and Bing clear out crap content via the search tools and add-ons they have, hubpages has exactly the same tools and add-ons available as both them search engines, hubpages don't even have to do the work, the custom search will do it for them, they just have to hit the delete button.

            2. FootballNut profile image60
              FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

              Also to add to the comment.

              If we were allowed to add ad program adverts to our sites. Hubpages would probably allow us to add contact details and newsletter information and stuff to hubs, as long as it was done appropriately, as they wouldn't care if visitors from here contacted or signed up to newsletters from sites that have their ads smile. For vetting purposes the newsletter for your site/s could be sent through this portal to all your subscribers even the ones that you never gained via hubpages (that system would have to be set up though and would have to work so it appears to be from your hubpage linked sites (your own sites), that idea would need work on but is possible and would be no different to sending the current ones you do now).

        2. relache profile image87
          relacheposted 11 months ago in reply to this

          This.  In buckets.

          1. FootballNut profile image60
            FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

            Not sure what that means smile. Never heard that saying.

            1. Marisa Wright profile image93
              Marisa Wrightposted 11 months ago in reply to this

              She just meant she was agreeing with the statement she quoted.

              1. FootballNut profile image60
                FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

                Oh right thanks. Have not seen no statement from Relache though. Confused  ha.

                1. Marisa Wright profile image93
                  Marisa Wrightposted 11 months ago in reply to this

                  If you were reading the thread in chronological you'd see she quoted a post of mine.

  5. relache profile image87
    relacheposted 11 months ago

    I had to change browsers before I came here an commented because my newest generation mobile ad blocker flagged the URL of this thread as advertising, and refused to display any of the page.

    Advertising on this site is about to drop dead if that's how the next generation of ad-blocking filters work for mobile.

    1. FootballNut profile image60
      FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

      Yep!! Indeed.

      Have hubpages released anything in regards to how they plan to generate income to solve this problem?

      Not been on here long so don't know if they have previously, I could use the search feature and have a look I suppose lol.

      I did post a wikipedia link and a custom search link for the purpose of examples to do with this thread, is that classed as advertising/spamming this forum lol.

  6. paradigmsearch profile image89
    paradigmsearchposted 11 months ago

    I'm kind of warming up to FootballNut's idea. It really wouldn't take that much effort on HP's part to come up with a basic style portal page. It would certainly look better and HP could jazz it up later on as time permits.

    1. FootballNut profile image60
      FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

      And your javascript idea will be a good addition.

  7. relache profile image87
    relacheposted 11 months ago

    Really, the thing I find the funniest is that if you have been at HubPages long enough, you can recall that the same people who founded and own it also founded and own a company called YieldBuild, now a subsidiary of HubPages, although I recall when it was the other way round too.

    https://www.crunchbase.com/organization … ld#/entity

    1. paradigmsearch profile image89
      paradigmsearchposted 11 months ago in reply to this

      Actually, I noticed sometime awhile back that it seems they've gone to that giant, tech scrap heap in the sky... http://yieldbuild.com/

      And the site, itself, is absolutely nowhere in the index, https://www.google.com/#q=%22yieldbuild … dbuild.com Only the mentions of the site by other websites remain. Tough town, the internet.

    2. FootballNut profile image60
      FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

      Over and out lol.

      1. Marisa Wright profile image93
        Marisa Wrightposted 11 months ago in reply to this

        I think you might as well, you've had the official HubPages response and it was a resounding no, only so much you can do.

        1. FootballNut profile image60
          FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

          Yes indeed.

          From the Marketing and Community manager.

          Didn't realise they needed a marketing manager for a site that don't get marketed (doesn't seem to get much money pumped into it's marketing) lol.

        2. FootballNut profile image60
          FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

          The official hubpages response sounds like they have give in to google. They have allowed google to beat them.

          If I purchased a blue car and went and drove it, then some stranger stopped me and said you are not allowed to drive on this road unless you paint your car pink, then paint a bunch of flowers on all the doors, then open all the windows and blar out the Hit Me Baby One More Time song by Britney Spears on full blast.

          The chances I like probably every other normal person would say f*** off I will find another route or road.

          So, why when sites like hubpages get told by google to do this that and the other to their site don't sites like hubpages say f*** off I will find another route or road?

          Why give in to google? they need webmasters more than webmasters need them. Webmasters can find other routes and stop google bots accessing their websites, google on the other hand can't operate if sites tell them to f*** off, just find another route and leave google with their little bunch of friends that done as their told.

          It seems hubpages marketing team never ever thought outside of google, meaning it never had a plan B, or any plans of trafficking hubpages from outside search engines (which is poor marketing). Now is time to create a plan B and to start that plan f*** google off. Why are they still trying to impress a search engine that has s*** on them, not once,not twice but three or more times?

          Hubpages really should f*** google off, other advertisers are available. Clean all the crap off the site. Then relaunch thru social media for free, and through members for free, but launch it as a search site, without even worrying about ranking on search engines, don't even have them in mind. If search engines choose to ignore the bot notice and google still go ahead and index the hubpages or like minded sites, who cares, rankings on there can be whatever google want them to be as google or search engines will not be the main source.

          Come on Hubpages be brave!! Make a mark for yourself lol.

          1. Marisa Wright profile image93
            Marisa Wrightposted 11 months ago in reply to this

            Why give in to Google?   Because despite all the big talk about getting traffic elsewhere instead, the vast majority of websites STILL rely on Google for most of their traffic.   

            You'll hear lots of brave talk about forgetting Google and getting traffic via other means - but how many people do you know, who've actually achieved it?  I know some people who get "good" traffic via Pinterest, but what is their definition of good?

            For all this talk of HubPages failing, it's still getting well over a million views a day - yes it's failure compared to their former glory but a lot of website owners would kill for that much traffic.

            1. FootballNut profile image60
              FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

              [these days.]

              These days are gradually fading out though for sites like hubpages, new avenues need to be explored.

              They need to open their mind not just think about [these days.] they need to start thinking about the tomorrows and the what if's, for example:

              What if we do as our told and get back in googles good books, then a year later they chuck some other crap that might be called something like Zebra or Octopus at sites and we end up in the same boat we was when they s*** on us by chucking the panda and penguin at us and the mobilegeddon.

              [these days.] are numbered so why keep going down a dead end?

              What will the next obstacle be that google put in little site owners way to get them off of the internet? Little sites don't know so why bother with someone that needs webmasters more than webmasters need them, that are also dictating to webmasters on how to run their own sites?

              Over a million views that will soon be over 1/2 a million views, then 1/4 million views then none. So being brave might fail but at least they will be trying to save the site instead of letting just fade away.

              There definition of good, is probably a consistent flow of traffic, whether it is 100,000 views a day every day or 1 million views a day every day it is consistent....Hubpages can't say they have a good flow of traffic or a consistent flow because it is declining all the time, yes 1 million a day currently that you say hubpages gets that is just going to decline and decline is good for who? You? Me? Or Hubpages?

              1. Marisa Wright profile image93
                Marisa Wrightposted 11 months ago in reply to this

                I see your point, but my point is - what's the alternative?  I think your idea, which boils down to setting up in direct competition with the Google search engine, is so laughable it's not even worth considering, frankly.

                Before you go on flogging the dead horse, I suggest you try doing a few comparison searches - HubPages vs Google. Pretend you're looking for information and ask yourself, which one gives the better and more useful results?  That's the one that will succeed and it's not the HubPages one - even if we do get a few amateur websites being added to the mix.

                1. FootballNut profile image60
                  FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

                  There are many alternatives to advertise a website and many for free.

                  Hubpages can become partners with other websites that Google are trying to kill off. If a dozen sites based on supplying information teamed up, and become fuckoffgoogle.com or something lol. There are social media sites. There are PEOPLE (yes believe it or not people are the ones that make things work).

                  No one is comparing hubpages with google here it is just more a case of , if a horse was injured would you get a vet to fix it, the horse is not dead, or would you think the horse is still alive but no one wants to save it, or even attempt to.

                  Yes you're right about the content google supplies, but as you put it the information may be better, but in 5 years time when the information on there is information that is supplied ONLY  by news media sites and wikipedia, it won't take long before people get fed up with constantly being told their is a war somewhere, or people are dying in such and such country so we need you to donate all your wages lol. That is where it is heading, it is heading so that all we see on google is news, and stories of the rich famous, deaths, wars, RULES OF LIFE, dictatorship, basically anything that will control us........that will be all the things we see.

                  Essentially if Hubpages used their heads they could get all the sites that google are trying to kick off the internet, the small sites that HAVE BRILLIANT INFORMATION ON and house them under their roof, what would be bigger and of more interest to searchers?, a search site with choices of the type of information PEOPLE want, or google with propaganda messages and searches that will only brainwash everyone? Google won't even be a search site in the future it will just be a news stream from government backed news channels

                  I know what I would pick, someone needs to step up and take googles rejects under their wings and flourish.

                  You telling me that taking all the sites they dictate to is not an alternative?

                  The sites that are rejected by google, are not crap sites, it is just that the sites with  GOOD information on are not sites that are official NEWS MEDIA sites, so now google have used them for years to build a massive SEARCHER BASE they can now kick them sites off and make all the information them sites supplied to only be supplied by NEWS MEDIA sites. The panda etc was just an excuse to drop sites, some got dropped for not formatting HOW GOOGLE SAID (dictating) that is more laughable than the idea of grabbing all them sites that are not official news media sites and giving them a roof to live under, or as you put it going in direct competition with google by using their rejects/or by using sites that don't want to be dictated too smile. It is not competition with google, as google they don't want them sites no more, going in competition with google now would be to try and grab all the NEWS MEDIA websites/government sites and only display such sites search results (that is where google is heading), which is not what this idea is, it is grabbing all the sites that have been treated like s*** by google, by google not wanting them anymore, so it is not competition. If I throw out a jumper and you want it, the jump still has a use obviously, that is the position hubpages can put itself in RIGHT NOW, google have thrown out stuff, so someone needs to come and pick that stuff up and make use of it.

                  All them little sites are up for grabs mate, that is worth exploring.

                  1. theraggededge profile image92
                    theraggededgeposted 11 months ago in reply to this

                    Examples?

                  2. relache profile image87
                    relacheposted 11 months ago in reply to this

                    You missed the (awkward and ultimately traffic-damaging) absorption of Squidoo just over a year ago, didn't ya?

  8. willmcwryter profile image52
    willmcwryterposted 11 months ago

    footballnut really knows what he is talking about and he is a featured author so you guys should listen to him instead of insulting him.  this idea is really interesting.  i would like to know more about the weighs of the world so that i can partisipate in this intellectual discussion.  i am a hubpages featured author and these matters are important to me as a writer.

    1. theraggededge profile image92
      theraggededgeposted 11 months ago in reply to this

      Bless you smile

    2. psycheskinner profile image80
      psycheskinnerposted 11 months ago in reply to this

      "Knowing what you are talking about" is all about saying things that are true, not just saying them confidently and often.

      1. FootballNut profile image60
        FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

        Is that not what all the pinterest lovers are doing?

        Do they know what google have planned next?

        If not then they have no right saying anything, like I said I am descriptive, I want them to be to in their explanation of how this form of spamming links has long term success potential.

        It works both ways mate. I have asked and asked for this explanation but they do not give one, they just say it will work basically, which is being confident in what they're saying (just because it is working NOW) without knowing what google have planned tomorrow for them. You can't say the comment you just said to me, without saying the same thing to them mate.

        1. theraggededge profile image92
          theraggededgeposted 11 months ago in reply to this

          You're the only one demanding an explanation of anything. Yet, you profess to know it all already, and can even foretell the future. Therefore there's no point in giving an alternative point of view. Your opinions are entrenched in your negative perceptions.

          1. FootballNut profile image60
            FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

            Do not claim to know it all at all. If you read the comments others have actually suggested things that could better our hopes of surviving.

            There is a point of giving a point of view, however look at what type of sites are getting mentioned to go forward with, social media, curating and pinterest, look at pinterest it is a carbon copy of stumbleupon, it is not going to last and if it dies what are we going to do then? That is where i am coming from, and even if it does survive, what will end up happening is government and news links will be the only pins we see, because pinterest will be forced to make something up like googles panda to get rid of little sites, so all we see are brainwashing links, it is not predicting the future just look at google it is happening slowly but surely.

            Social media and their members sharing content without looking at the actual link is not the way forward THAT IS SPAMMING OF LINKS..

            Have you ever had invalid google adsense clicks from social media like many have? That is not me claiming to know everything mate, that is me looking around at what is happening.

    3. Marisa Wright profile image93
      Marisa Wrightposted 11 months ago in reply to this

      Willmcwryter  -  FootballNut has been here 2 weeks and his Hubs have been viewed 1,000 times.  That's good, however...

      I've been here 8 years and my Hubs have been viewed nearly 2 million times.

      Relache has been here 9 years and her Hubs have been viewed over 10 million times.

      Theraggededge and Psycheskinner have been here 5 years and their Hubs have been viewed over 200,000 times.

      Who do you think is most likely to know what they're talking about?

    4. calculus-geometry profile image85
      calculus-geometryposted 11 months ago in reply to this

      Don't sell yourself short, I have found your subtle trolling much more entertaining than DasEngel's tired old shtick. Happy New Year and keep those featured poems coming lol

      1. FootballNut profile image60
        FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

        If you think this ain't serious monkey picture I suggest you read MY VERY LAST TWO REPLIES TO MARRISA ON THIS THREAD BECAUSE I FINALLY HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD AND IT MIGHT SINK IN WITH YOU SO CALLED EXPERTS THAT THINK YOU CAN SUPPLY KNOWLEDGE BETTER THAN GOOGLE AND WIKIPEDIA TEAMING UP.....

        IF YOU THICK PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND AFTER READING THAT ON PAGE 7 OF THIS THREAD THEN YOU NEED PUTTING IN A MENTAL HOSPITAL. PLEASE READ IT MATE IT IS CLEAR THIS TIME.

  9. psycheskinner profile image80
    psycheskinnerposted 11 months ago

    If you promote via forums there is no need to join 1000s.  You join the one that is most influential in your niche and you participate as a real (and nice) person with real expertise, not an SEO weenie.  It works very well, at least it does if you actually are a fairly nice person and an expert in that subject.

    1. FootballNut profile image60
      FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

      How are these forums going to be found in 10 years when my son is 18 if he can't go on a search engine and find the forums.

      Is he going to be forced on to social media where his friends can spam your website links via the share feature, so his newsfeed is full of your links?

      I don't think he will be clicking your links do you?

      You said in the other comment about repeating myself, I am repeating myself again now to you as this has already been said, so stop making me repeat myself please.

      1. theraggededge profile image92
        theraggededgeposted 11 months ago in reply to this

        What?

        Where did 'force', 'spam' and 'our links on his newsfeed' come from? You are spouting utter twaddle now.

        1. FootballNut profile image60
          FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

          Read the other comments.

          You lot are getting on me nerves. If you can't see you are going to have no option to market your sites in the future other than on social media with competition against millions and millions of other website owners in your subject, how are you going to make me want to come to you over them? You will either have to close your site, or go spamming or spend loads promoting on social sites.

          On the flip side if you do well and everyone loves you, they like your content, if 30 of my friends share one of your links what am I going to see? your link in my feed constantly, that is spamming of a link in my eyes even though you're not physically spamming it. i will get fed up with that and block you, so will many others. This will result eventually in you having to close, even if loads of people love your stuff they will soon get fed up seeing it constantly because their friends share it, and no one is going to pick your content over their friends, it will be you that goes.

          End of conversation. Best of luck.

          1. psycheskinner profile image80
            psycheskinnerposted 11 months ago in reply to this

            I am curious what you are basing that idea on.  Because I don't think search engines are going away any time soon, or that spamming will ever work better than authentic social engagement.

            Content is, and will remain, king.  What may have a limited shelf life is content sites.  I used to make 10% of my income here and now it is somewhere below 2%.

            I only hang around here because the people on this community are entertaining and often informative. Right now niche self-hosted sites with Adsense are the best earner for me. (Or if you count all online earnings, ebooks--they are my real earners).

            1. FootballNut profile image60
              FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

              Seriously read the comments.

              Yes your right they are not going away for the everyday searchers who are seeking, they will be here for them to display them results that are supplied by news media websites, google capsules, youtube video links, wikipedia and other governmental websites.

              Google used the panda to get rid of sites, what will be next the hippo to get rid of more sites to make more room for the sites mentioned above to show in search results? Then after a giraffe to absolutely get rid of everyone accept the sites mentions above.

              Brilliant google will become a site where we can not seek any information from any other source other than news media sites and the government, etc they can tell us anything then and we will have no where to go to seek further information on what they tell us, we will just have to believe it.....because you lot will be on social media sites where no one wants you because we want to socialise on a social site not see you spamming your links to try and be better than your competitors, or our friends will be sharing/spamming your links to our newsfeeds - your blocked, your site will soon die. Now where can anyone go? oh.....to the news stream that google will become......just do some random example searches for silly things that people search for every day..... look at the top results the capsules etc.....then look at the news media links below or youtube video links, then look at other sites below them, they survived the panda, that is brilliant but will they survive the hippo or whatever is coming next? or will they be wiped out in order to join social sites to spam everyone along with the panda victims who are still fighting?

              1. theraggededge profile image92
                theraggededgeposted 11 months ago in reply to this

                The thing is... we don't care! We've been through the crap already, whereas you sound like you've only just discovered HP and content sites in general. Most of us have been around for years, we've seen the light and we make sure our main income streams are not internet based at all.  You are way too late to this party, old son. The glory days have already come and gone.

                1. FootballNut profile image60
                  FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

                  Presume you do not have your own business website that is your bread and butter then?

                  If you have can I write your URL down now as when your off google and facebook socializers have blocked your links I might type it in my browser and come buy something of your site just to help you get a meal for a day or so.

                  Are you really that blind to think it is only content sites that will be affected?

                  Carry on not caring but don't moan when it is too late.

                  P.S YOU HAVE ONLY BEEN THROUGH THE START YOU THINK THAT IS ALL YOU HAVE TO FACE?

                  1. theraggededge profile image92
                    theraggededgeposted 11 months ago in reply to this

                    You presume right. Sorry to disappoint you but I'm not in need of your sympathy purchase.

                    By the way, you are not the first, by a long shot, to turn up here and think that you have all the answers.

                    Edit in response to your shouty postscript. Are you really that stupid to think that anyone here relies on Hubpages for their main income? Grow up, do.

  10. psycheskinner profile image80
    psycheskinnerposted 11 months ago

    Google doesn't "get rid of" my little sites despite them being free-hosted blogs by some random private citizen. 

    Perhaps it is because I write content based on genuine expertise.  One blog I have gets $3 per click from Adsense.  It relates to collecting a very specific kind of antique tool.

    If you write solid content, search engines still work just fine.

    1. FootballNut profile image60
      FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

      For god sake. read the comments.

      Yes they will keep sites that have expert knowledge on UNTIL they take all the snippets of expert information off or them sites and put them in a capsule (curating content) at the top of some search results as a QUICK ANSWERS.....once they have all the expert knowledge displayed in them little capsules......what do they need you for??.....they don't so an animal called frog or something (like the panda just jumped out) will pop up (google will dictate to you and tell you to do something with your site or kick you off google) whilst keeping your expert capsules of information displayed in capsules at the top of search results.

      They will also say thanks for earning us all that money and send you a christmas card for life if you beg them lol..

      1. psycheskinner profile image80
        psycheskinnerposted 11 months ago in reply to this

        LOL.

        There will always be people looking for more than snippets from people capable for writing more than snippets. Ebooks, as I have mentioned, being one good way to profit from that market, but websites also working just fine now as they have for the last two decades.

        I get the feeling that not only are you new to Hubpages you are quite new to the internet.  You seem to be in that first rush of disillusionment that comes right after being sold some SEO magic bullet method and watching Panda eat it for breakfast.

        Making money online requires only two skills.  1) Know something worthwhile and/or express yourself in an amusing way, and 2) keep moving your content to the best monetizing platform available.  (Hint: Hubpages is not it).

        You are getting good advice, as good as on any forum and better than most, but your hostile attributional bias means you are misreading and misinterpreting it.  You should keep in mind that many established users on this forum actually do make most of our money online.  But we tend to give general advice that someone of an analytical bent can benefit from, not just give away our lunch to random online people.

        1. FootballNut profile image60
          FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

          Making money online requires only two skills.  1) Know something worthwhile and/or express yourself in an amusing way, and 2) keep moving your content to the best monetizing platform available.  (Hint: Hubpages is not it).

          Keep going then, when you're on stumbleupon 2000 and no one can find it because you lot would have drove them off of social media or made them block you, and google will not show results for such a platform that you have moved to I am sure you will be fine.

        2. FootballNut profile image60
          FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

          wikipedia (googles friends) who the fuck needs e-books these days - yeah carry on- read the replies to marisa on page 7 of these comments

          I am trying to protect you, or at least trying to form a thread of good ideas to stop us getting beat by GOOGLE AND A MASSIVE FREE ENCYCLOPEDIA KNOWN AS WIKIPEDIA THAT YOU LOT THINK YOU CAN BEAT with your little spam methods/share methods of internet marketing on social media and pinterest xx

          Shame none of you will suggest good ideas, you would rather have ago at me!! Your ideas might be better than mine....lets go with the best idea...not saying mine is perfect but it is going to protect our bread and butter longer than doing nothing and letting google and wikipedia takeover willxx

          I am a lover not a hater so will forgive you.

  11. Marisa Wright profile image93
    Marisa Wrightposted 11 months ago

    Has it not occurred to you that if Google dies or stops being useful, another search engine will rise to take its place?

    And it will work ONLY if it covers the entire internet (not a cosy little club of sites that have joined the search engine of some other site, as you're suggesting). 

    Right now such a site wouldn't be able to compete with Google but if Google goes completely to the darkside, then people will vote with their feet and the person who's in the right place at the right time will do well.  Now is too soon.

    1. FootballNut profile image60
      FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

      Hahahahahahahahaha

      google are chucking out everything you will see in time....get hubpages to grab them victims and add them to the hubpages search results, but get them sites to ad the hubpages ad program adverts.....booom there is that next search engine

      are you seriously telling me you just wrote that after all this stuff you have wrote??

      lets get in early and not wait for another search engine to do what hubpages can have right NOW

      As said time and time again re-brand it as a search site not a site to write and earn (but still have that feature of course) and mix it in with website links that show hubpages ads - everyone is a winner.....there will be enough sites to attract with google trying to drop them off and becoming a media only site to shout about hubpages (that is how it can get out there, or do as you said curate content so hubpages homepage gets hits and gets noticed JUST FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME and just put a search bar in the middle on the homepage so people can identify what the site is A SEARCH SITE), people will soon come and search here rather than media propaganda google

      Look they are dropping them off now ribena a multi million pound company can't even rank above wikipedia when searching what is ribena, yes ribena wrote the wiki page and it is linked to their site but seriously, surely they should still be above them as it is there business, are google going to seriously make every search go through wikipedia to click a link to get to the actual business? Brilliant if that is there plan, guess what each time we go to wikipedia to click a link to get to a real business we will get asked to donate to their platform because they are not a site that shows adverts so need funding....wow begging letters every time we want to see something......fuck off google

      And if there plan is to make every search go through wikipedia so we get begging messages guess what all the little sites that they are throwing out NOW won't be needed as wikipedia has every bit of information required. WE ARE ALL GOING even if we are experts with beautifully presented content, so in theory it doesn't matter how spelling etc are on websites as you slated me for earlier in this thread....your content that is beautiful is going to have the same value as sites that has this on their site fvnhfruvgioehrgv3r tgouiu3origfn3r dfued feoef THAT VALUE IS NOTHING, hense why I referenced Cambridge University experiment to you smile. (I am good ain't I).

      No one has ever said google is going to die, all I said is it is going  to become a media and government message board with that massive database of information anyone could ever want to know wikipedia as its information source, you know the one that begs for donations........why they are preparing this they need all these little sites to keep non website/content writers going to google to conduct searches.....ones it is all in place though giraffe and hippo who lived next door to panda will pop up then all of a sudden our sites will not be up to googles expectations (excuse to kick us off the internet) even though for years on end our sites have been absolutely fine on their search engine. If you can't see that we are being used then I seriously give up lol.

      The businesses we find on google then via wikipedia won't even need to pay for advertising their links on wikipedia (goodbye adsense good bye all the sites that rely on advertising revenue).....the public idiots will donate to wikipedia and make them google etc money....haha...my advise is get your business on wikipedia and hope people search for it....we ain't got much hope though as all keywords will only lead to big businesses wikipedia page.

      And just to add insult to injury this is how stupid people are, more or less all the content on wikipedia has been added by the public, who could have quite easily of set their own sites up to share the information and made money for it. Now thanks to the stupid public every site will get wiped out and everything will be run through wikipedia via google on occasions, so the public will be getting begging messages from wikipedia/googles friends asking them for money to broadcast information the stupid public supplied. NOW WHAT IS LAUGHABLE LOVE?

      Update.... I wrote an article called Pinterest Is Of No Interest, it has no amazon adds, outside links, images etc it is just pure content = NOT FEATURED = GOOGLE DICTATING = GOOGLE DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO THINK SITES LIKE PINTEREST ARE OF NO INTEREST BECAUSE PINTEREST ARE HELPING GOOGLE TO GET RID OF YOU LOT/LITTLE SITES BY TRYING TO BECOME SOMETHING

      ........google hold sites back with all the SEO bullshit, sites need to think outside the box and say WE DON'T NEED GOOGLE...it is almost as if all website owners thinks that google are going to become their customer and buy a product of their site if they do what google says/impress google with good content.....fuck google they won't buy nothing off of site owners websites so why you trying to impress them? The only people website owners need to impress are those that want their products (which ain't google)........they have been dictating to website owners saying that to get best results you need to please us for years.........but they are not our customers/target market...........the funniest thing though is we have all done what they said to get best results, then WE ALL CLAIMED WE KNOW OUR MARKET....sorry but if you knew your market you would not be doing everything you can to please google...you would not have followed their rules if you knew your market, because now they are going to take your market away from you and give them all to big companies.....I SALUTE YOU LOT OF EXPERTS.

      https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid … +is+ribena

      1. FootballNut profile image60
        FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

        I think this has finally got the point across.......no one replied to it lol.

        1. theraggededge profile image92
          theraggededgeposted 11 months ago in reply to this

          We're just bored with the whole load of nonsense. Amusing for a while, but now... meh.

          1. FootballNut profile image60
            FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

            Okay content writer that don't care!!

            Just go away please if your not going to open your mind and at least suggest things rather than just thinking because you're okay today your going to be okay in the future. The near future that is.

            If you don't care just because things are okay right now, then don't moan when your kids/grand kids if you have them have absolutely no hope when they grow up.....that is what your saying people don't care about mate. Would hate parents and grand parents that don't care about me.

            You don't ever answer questions that are put back at you, you don't ever suggest ways forward, all you do is fire snotty messages, so your contribution to our kids futures are not welcome, just like any web page you have out there currently will not be welcome on the internet in the near future.

            I have answered anything you have asked and you just reply with childish messages like the one you just did.

            And if you want to get childish and put other peoples content down because google tells you to, what the hell is writey, and squidoo don't exist no more either......and any information you have in all your hubs can be found on wikipedia/googles friends so take a good look at your hubs because you won't be seeing them ever again in the near future...when adsense is stopped by google and they are earning money by begging to the public via wikipedia.....all sites that have adsense revenue to keep them going --- GOODBYE TO THEM ALL

            1. theraggededge profile image92
              theraggededgeposted 11 months ago in reply to this

              Listen up, FBNut.

              1. We don't own HubPages so you are wasting your time making suggestions to us. Contact the site owners if you want to interact with the people who *can* implement changes.

              2. We don't take kindly to being repeatedly called spammers.

              3. We don't like people who can't control their language in a forum.

              4. We don't like people who have been members for just two weeks, talking to us as if we haven't got a clue.

              5. If you don't care for how things work, then you know what you can do.

              Comprendez?

              1. FootballNut profile image60
                FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

                1. We don't own HubPages so you are wasting your time making suggestions to us. Contact the site owners if you want to interact with the people who *can* implement changes.

                They are to google brainwashed and to busy trying to please google because they can't think for them selves.

                2. We don't take kindly to being repeatedly called spammers.

                You may not take kindly to it darling, but any site that gets shares or pins are getting their links spammed. I am not calling you a spammer, I m saying if 40 people share you link on my social media, all I see is your link 40 times....that darling looks spammy as fuck and unfortunately it is not you sweetheart that is at fault for you links getting spammed, you're not spamming physically I don't mean that at all, you must have experienced it on your newsfeed mate, different friends sharing the same link, it becomes in your feed/in your face constantly....it is tolerable at the moment but imagine when business/site owners, million of them competing with each other have no where to get seen because google kicked them off...we are going to be getting constantly links from friends sharing in our faces, it will become like actual statues of friends will be playing hiding seek on our newsfeed and we will have to find them.

                3. We don't like people who can't control their language in a forum.

                Oh, I am sorry for using words that are in the dictionary. See how we are programmed? They're only words. If the people that control us wanted to change things and make the word "IT" or something become a swear word, which they can if they wanted too, would I have to stop using that word to?

                4. We don't like people who have been members for just two weeks, talking to us like we haven't got a clue.

                You haven't.

                5. If you don't care for how things work, then you know what you can do.

                HUH??? what so their not working that you are up against google and wikipedia that everyone has heard of so them sites don't need to go to sites like facebook/pinterest and spam the shit out them sites?

                1. theraggededge profile image92
                  theraggededgeposted 11 months ago in reply to this

                  You are getting more unintelligible as you go on.

                  One more time - barely anyone writes on HP to make money.

                  If you know already that HP owners are  not interested in what you say, why the hell are you continuing your pointless tirade? Those of us who own websites know every single point you have made. We work on what we can change, and go with the flow on the rest.

                  You have no idea how things will pan out in the next six months, let alone the next ten years.

                  Take it somewhere else. Please.

                  1. FootballNut profile image60
                    FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

                    Again.....it is not about making money it is about giving everyone that is going to get kicked off the internet somewhere to live

                    I tell you what go and research where google is heading and where you lot are heading.....hope you have wikipedia pages, oh wait there how strange wikipedia will probably not let you have one or will only let you have one if you give them the content they tell you tooo dictating again....your fucked and you won't listen.....good luck in the cyber war and thinking you can beat google and wikipedia with your spamming methods or curating methods you really are laughable

                    And your so blind you can't see how google can just kick sites off of the internet that they dont need you go on and on about the panda but you don't think of the next one they chuck out and what changes they say have to be made by site owners.....what if you don't survive that one like some never survived the panda?

        2. Marisa Wright profile image93
          Marisa Wrightposted 11 months ago in reply to this

          No, it doesn't mean you've got your point across.  It just means we've realised there's no point in trying to point out the massive flaws in your argument, because you're not open to debating any alternative ideas WE put forward, you just wilfully misunderstand them.

          1. FootballNut profile image60
            FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

            I have discussed them, they are spam methods....please discuss it further then and explain how they are not spamming boards and buttons? You can't.....you will only realise they are spamming methods when that is your only source of getting people to see your website, and unfortunately the people you will be spamming will be other website owners/spammers...pinterest has limited interest to people without web pages, so they do not need to use it....you won't realise before so you're going to argue with me...I actually want google to hurry up now and kick you lot off their platform just so you see what you will then have to go and do with your web pages that have no google adsense on them because it won't exist.....

            1. theraggededge profile image92
              theraggededgeposted 11 months ago in reply to this

              Pinterest has 100 million active users and 176 million registered members. You think they all have websites?

              I want HP to hurry up now and kick you off their platform, so you can go spew your vitriol somewhere else.

            2. Marisa Wright profile image93
              Marisa Wrightposted 11 months ago in reply to this

              Who said anything about buttons?   

              I think you are talking about a method whereby you post stuff on Facebook or Pinterest or a forum with the expectation that friends and readers will then share those posts with others.  That's not what I'm talking about, and if you'd read my post properly you'd know that.

              What I'm talking about is participating genuinely and actively on these sites so that people value your participation and friendship, and learn to trust your expertise and knowledge.  If you can achieve that, then people will eventually visit your website and IF your site is good, then they will let their friends know how good it is by creating their OWN post on Facebook or wherever, or in an email, or  mentioning it in conversation, etc. 

              It's basically exactly the same method as you proposed to spread the word about HubPages - except that it's much much much easier to do if you specialise in one particular subject, because it's so much easier to achieve respect in a small community of like-minded people.

              1. FootballNut profile image60
                FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

                Yes be active that is great. But you don't have control over me going to your website site right now and clicking the share button, mu friend might see it and without looking at it they might share, so might their friend so your link is getting spammed and you have no control over it.

                Can you lot actually think beyond your actions and look around at what actions others are making? stop thinking about yourselfs and what you are doing LOOK AROUND YOU

                HELL YES you are right that is what I am saying to do with Hubpages - then what did I say??? after a while people will start coming here to search.....guess what we can stop doing it then.....you lot won't have that choice to stop mate

                1. Marisa Wright profile image93
                  Marisa Wrightposted 11 months ago in reply to this

                  But why would those friends share a link without looking at it? You must have some very thick friends if they do that.  If they share it because they trust their friend's opinion of the site, then it's a good share - they're letting their friends know this is a good site worth visiting.  And since they're just being happy about finding a new site, they're going to share ONCE - not keep on annoying their friends with repeat posts.    So no one will be "constantly" seeing the same posts over and over.

                  And let's be clear - I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE SHARING POSTS BECAUSE IT'S A PRETTY PICTURE.  And I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT FRIENDS OF THE WEBSITE OWNER SHARING BECAUSE THEY'RE FRIENDS.   I'm talking about happy customers sharing a post because they've discovered a fantastic new site that they think their friends will like.  If someone shares something like that with you, do you really reply, "stop trying to be helpful, I'll find my own useful sites you f*wit"?.

                  1. FootballNut profile image60
                    FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

                    you will see what happens just carry on so i don't have to keep repeating myself.....remember the panda? good luck surviving the next one.......

                    Why have sites died because of the panda? social media was there then to do what your saying......the answer is they did what you are saying but it never worked.......they tried it before you

                    Facebook will have to change their advertising methods when it all happens to look after non website owners......they will also have searches that bring up information people require that is supplied by wikipedia......no one needs you or your sites.....they only need you temporarily.....we have massive businesses selling products that every little site sells......they be your competition on facebook......we have massive information sources in wikipedia they show up in facebook searches......they will be your competition......LOOK AROUND YOU

                    do some searches on facebook that people do on search engines and see if groups of small sites come up or not

              2. FootballNut profile image60
                FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

                I actually give up I really do, I really really really do!!

                Talk about repeating myself over and over again because it will not sink in you do NOT HAVE CONTROL OVER OTHER PEOPLES ACTIONS....I AM GOING TO GO YOUR HUB AND SHARE IT, THEN SEE IF MY MATES SHARE IT THEN SEE IF THEIR MATES SHARE.....NONE OF THEM WILL PROBABLY LOOK AT IT THOUGH.....YOU CAN'T CONTROL PEOPLE SPAMMING YOUR LINKS.....SORRY BUT SEEING YOUR LINK ALL THE TIME WHEN MY FRIEND SHARE IT MIGHT PISS OUR MUTUAL FRIEND OFF THAT WILL CONSTANTLY SEE YOUR LINK

    2. FootballNut profile image60
      FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

      P.S I am really pissing myself now. not sure if you see a comment i left yesterday about cyber wars......the BBC got attacked this morning hahaha ....think you should start listening....CYBER WARS lol xx

  12. Jesse Drzal profile image83
    Jesse Drzalposted 11 months ago

    I would say Hubpages is already doing whatever is in it's the best interest, to both generate revenue for the site and progress forward with the various changes of the future. You have no control over it, so I wouldn't even think about because you are just chasing your tail. You don't know what goes on behind the scenes.

    1. FootballNut profile image60
      FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

      Nope hubpages is doing everything they can to rank on google...who are planning to fuck them off mate....cut the tie they don't need google

      All they need is angry website owners that google have used but then de-ranked by bringing out stupid animal names like panda, no one thinks out side the box- the automatic reaction is, I better do something so I get back in googles good books....My problem is I love everyone, and care...but if you read through these comments it sounds like I am screaming at people and I hate that......if you read the marissa replies on page 7 of this comment thread you will understand mate that we are not going to beat google and the free encyclopedia known as wikipedia unless we stick together...sorry but my bread and butter has gone next year along with many others that think because they are okay today everything is okay....they can't see next years situation...I can xx

      1. Marisa Wright profile image93
        Marisa Wrightposted 11 months ago in reply to this

        Why has "your bread and butter gone next year"?   Were you planning to start a new career as an online writer?   Sorry, but unfortunately that bus left a long time ago and you missed it.   

        Before the internet, very few writers were able to make a living from writing.  They had to get other jobs as well. Then the internet arrived and for a wonderful few years, it was possible to create a blog or write on writing sites and make a good living while lazing on a beach in Bali. 

        You can't do that now. 

        If that was your plan then I can understand why you're angry and disappointed - but turning HubPages into Google's competition won't change it.  There are alternative search engines available, like DuckDuckGo, and virtually no one uses them.

        1. FootballNut profile image60
          FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

          No, my sites have gone just like everyones else. You are not looking past content writing sites, every site is going but hubpages has the chance to give them somewhere so they don't have to go spamming.

          Right I am getting fed up now anyway, no one wants to know so get on with it. You all seem to think that spamming is going to see you through. And you all want to say yes google I have exactly 983 words on each page, 1 picture with 300x300 pixels on my page and a picture of a guy picking his nose, so now will you give me a better search result, if they bring that out and call is a giraffe or whatever pathetic name they want to in an attempt to get rid of you and many other sites, good luck every website out there that has to go through every single page and and make sure each page has the attribute google says or get kicked off.......then head over to where I socialize and spam the shit out of to get a little bit of traffic.......you still think any of us are going to last? Pnterest will die off as none of you that use are looking at who is REALLY visiting your links on that SPAM board....it is other website owners........it is traffic eexchanging in effect....that will die off....the public are stupid but they are not that stupid, it has no appeal to anyone that does not have a website.....but they are the people websites need

          1. theraggededge profile image92
            theraggededgeposted 11 months ago in reply to this

            Excellent, you are going. Maybe you have a real life somewhere, who knows.

            I just wonder why you continue to accuse Hubbers of spamming? Which members here are spamming? In the last 4 years or so of being on Pinterest, I've maybe posted 6 images relating to one blog and perhaps 10 images from another non-commercial art blog. None related to HubPages. Is that what you call spamming?

            If you want to stay on HP, I'd suggest you give up the unnecessary swearing. It does you no favours and will most likely get you kicked off.

          2. Marisa Wright profile image93
            Marisa Wrightposted 11 months ago in reply to this

            I have never, ever in any of my posts said that anyone should spam.    I still can't believe that you can read my explanation and get such a TOTALLY incorrect picture of what I'm describing.  You're making a lot of completely wrong assumptions about what I'm talking about.  So you're right, we are at such cross-purposes debate is pointless.

            And by the way, I just did a Google search for a ballet topic and the Wikipedia answer was several posts down the page, below a small blog on the subject.

  13. Jesse Drzal profile image83
    Jesse Drzalposted 11 months ago

    Yea but I agree with Marisa and the others argument. Hubpages is not a search engine was not intended to be a search engine and will not become a search engine. It's a site to encourage intelligent writing.

    1. FootballNut profile image60
      FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

      Hi Jesse, your right it is not.

      If you read the comments you may figure out what I mean by re-branding hubpages and taking advantage of perfectly good sites googleare about to chuck out mate.

    2. Jesse Drzal profile image83
      Jesse Drzalposted 11 months ago

      You have been here two weeks like me. It is hard for me to take an opinion from someone who has never earned or did anything on here before. You are talking to members here who have had serious time on here, like many, many years of writing and who know the ropes of the system. I would listen to them and treat them with respect and maybe cut down on the swearing too, it just doesn't look good.  Not trying to stir the proverbial pot just my two cents. Hope this helps. Cheers.

      1. FootballNut profile image60
        FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

        All about the money. See that is how people view hubpages. We need to change that to hubpages is a search site. We write content behind the scenes, information seekers come here to search.

        I think you have explained my whole point about hubpages needs to be re-branded, it needs to be seen as a information seeking site, not a site to earn. Else all you will get here is in-house traffic, meaning  writers looking at writers content.........NOT VERY BENEFICIAL....there is a search bar at the top of every page, lets make that the focal point, if people search what we write on this site surely it has to be better than writing and waiting for a click from google to our page....I have not earned no money you are correct, that is because I am waiting for a lucky search from google.... if hubpages branded himself as a search site and people used that search box on every page I might be found...that is my point....we are all missing out because hubpages brand themself as a write and earn site ...but we write and don't earn because they are not making that search bar on the pages the focal point.

        I am not here to earn. Just here to point out facts.

        1. theraggededge profile image92
          theraggededgeposted 11 months ago in reply to this

          And 'write' about your top ten sexiest women soccer players. Perhaps you're hoping for a lucky pin?

          BTW, the very first word on your profile is misspelt.

          1. FootballNut profile image60
            FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

            Who cares....you knew what it meant to realise it is was spelt wrong

            Read this:

            fcuk off ggoole

            Spellings and SEO are all bullshit to please google that are not giving you nothing back/or will give you less and less back as time passes/as their changes are being made and they start to not need you anymore on their site.

            What is wrong with top 10 sexiest women? It is what i want to share. Nothing is wrong with it, and if you look others have cast votes/shown interaction. There's nothing wrong with it other than your google brainwashed head telling you there is.

            If none of you are going to add any suggestions other than pinterests spam board, of other forums spam boards, or social sites spam/share button and just have a go at me instead of trying to give your sites/web pages somewhere to be found without spamming social sites that are designed for people to socialise then please can we bring this forum to a close?

            1. Marisa Wright profile image93
              Marisa Wrightposted 11 months ago in reply to this

              If you want this forum closed to other comments then you need to hit the "report" button and request admin to close it.

              1. FootballNut profile image60
                FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

                Thanks mate.

    3. Jesse Drzal profile image83
      Jesse Drzalposted 11 months ago

      All about the money? I was just stating a point. I don't think anyone is going to have an answer for you on the subject. With all due respect I'm going to have to bow out of this one..however, I do wish you luck on your slaying of the BIG BAD GOOGLE MONSTER

      1. FootballNut profile image60
        FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

        Don't matter where you go the google monster will beat you because everyone is worried about getting kicked off of google and losing a traffic source.....it is almost as if they think google loves them for doing as they're told...they are going to get kicked off anyway when the time is right....

        1. Maffew James profile image97
          Maffew Jamesposted 11 months ago in reply to this

          No. Google isn't a 'monster'. It's just a business doing what any good business does; protecting and growing its income stream by giving the market what it wants.

          Look at how Panda works for example. A large part of the algorithm is based on traffic metrics. How long a visitor stays on your site, how many pages they view, whether they return back to the search engine and how long it takes for that to occur. Good metrics (especially when compared to other sites in the same industry) suggest that a page is relevant to the search term and lead to a higher quality rating. This is a matter of the way searchers use your site, and the sites that are negatively impacted by Panda receive a penalty because they aren't as relevant or useful as other sites by comparison.

          At no point is Google specifically 'selecting' sites that it wants to rank highly. Your readers, and how they react to your content, are a large part of how Google determines which site is better. This is a variable you can control. The marketing department of big businesses track things like this constantly and adjust their approach accordingly. That is why they outrank other sites for quality in the eyes of Panda; not because of preferential treatment. How often do you analyse your traffic?

          Another controllable variable is on-page ranking signals. You can continue to decry keywords and other necessary page elements as 'worthless', but that's hardly the case. Keywords, titles, contextual relevance, etc are all very important factors that allow a search engine to understand what your page is about. Done incorrectly, or not at all, it is impossible to rank for a search term because Google has no idea that your article is relevant to that query. It's common sense that no ranking signals are going to give you a first page ranking; they only serve to tell Google that your content applies to a term. It takes more to rank. You need relevance to a term, backlinks from authoritative sites in the same industry, a good Panda quality rating, and trust.

          This brings us to the root of ranking on a search engine: backlinks. Links carry trust and authority to show a search engine that your page is valuable to readers. They also add relevance through anchor text. Google has always used backlinks as its most important ranking factor, and this isn't likely to change any time soon. If your page has a handful of valuable links pointing back to it, and yet a Wikipedia page has thousands of valuable links, what do you really expect to happen on the search result page? It has nothing to do with Google giving Wikipedia preferential treatment. The site is 14 years old and has over 38 million pages. Thousands of people link to each Wikipedia page as a source within their own articles. You can't compete with that because a small site will rarely be able to accrue as many quality backlinks as Wikipedia.

          Then, in cases of other big businesses...these entities have marketing teams. They analyse traffic metrics because if visitors are happy with the page, conversions are higher, and Panda doesn't penalise the site. This is an ongoing cycle of data accumulation, analysis, and adjustment that most small sites, and especially individual writers, won't ever do, let alone to the extent that big business does. They hire SEO teams to ensure their content is relevant to search terms they target, and also directly reach out to websites in their industry and 'recommend linking' to their content as a marketing tactic to increase backlinks. This is why they out-rank you. Google doesn't simply prefer them; they simply have a lot of money and resources at their disposal to allow them to rise to the top of the result page.

          In the end, the arguments against big business in Google search are akin to the arguments used by small business against big business in the brick and mortar world. "They monopolise the economy and we can't compete". The question is, what are you doing to compete and why do you deserve to beat them? Big businesses become big because they know how to approach the market and they provide goods / services that are at a quality expected by the market. You can't become a national or global brand by sheer luck. The same applies to the online world. These sites don't out-rank you because they're in bed with Google; they out-rank you because they are better than you. Rather than trying to change the game, you should be looking at changing your approach to the game.

    4. Sue Adams profile image92
      Sue Adamsposted 11 months ago

      Current homepage
      http://usercontent1.hubimg.com/12813030_f1024.jpg

      When signed out it looks like this
      http://usercontent2.hubimg.com/12813057_f1024.jpg


      Proposed, something modelled on Google's homepage like:
      http://usercontent1.hubimg.com/12813038_f1024.jpg

      Why not take the bull by its horns and simultaneously simplify?

      Frankly we don't need more novice writers as much as we need a prominent search facility for existing quality content. This may be a time for a shift of focus.

      1. Marisa Wright profile image93
        Marisa Wrightposted 11 months ago in reply to this

        I agree there's a case for making the home page a proper "portal" for the site, but we do come back to the fact that non-writers just don't visit the home page, so they won't see it.

        1. theraggededge profile image92
          theraggededgeposted 11 months ago in reply to this

          Yes, I agree too. FBNUTs has a point about the home page and Sue's graphics illustrate it very well.

          But Marisa's right too. Hardly anyone sees that page because they visit a hub via a search engine. What might HP do to make its home page a natural landing stage? It'll never be a search engine so what's the solution? Advertise on social media (FBN would love that!)?

          I also agree that HP needs to attract competent writers. HP should not be where beginners and ESL people come to practice. Sorry to have to say it, but bad writing is the last thing HP needs. However, good writers are hardly going to be attracted by the earning potential.

          We're all doomed big_smile

          1. Marisa Wright profile image93
            Marisa Wrightposted 11 months ago in reply to this

            "What can HP do to make its home page a natural landing page?" 

            That's exactly the problem and it's been a dilemma for all generalist writing sites.  It's easy enough for them to market to writers as a place to write, but it's hard for them to market to readers. I mean, what do they say? 

            If HP only allowed creative writing, then it could say, "come to HP and find an eclectic mix of fiction and poetry in all genres".    If it only allowed how-to's, it could say, "come to HP and get instructions on how to do almost anything".     If it only allowed - well you get the picture. 

            So what would HP's marketing spiel be?

            1. theraggededge profile image92
              theraggededgeposted 11 months ago in reply to this

              It needs an app. Like TedTalks.

    5. theraggededge profile image92
      theraggededgeposted 11 months ago

      FBN has been banned for 24 hours. He emailed this to me:

      "This is why we have got to catch the sites google are throwing out with excuses like panda, the panda is not all we will face. Something else will come up soon when google are ready telling we are only allowed 983 words on every page or something. Websites owners will not be able to fix that, so will all be gone leaving google to only display information results from wikipedia (little sites are not needed for information), news media, youtube (google owned), government sites and big businesses.

      If we catch them victims whose contact has been fine on google for years whilst google needed them and add their links to the search results on here providing they replace adsense with hubpages ads, all them little sites will shout about hubpages which will bring the people here. Advertising revenue will go up as the traffic will be quality traffic not shared on social media traffic, you will benefit.

      Re-brand it as a search site, all the little sites are looking for alternatives so will come here to add their link/content, instead of going to spam boards like pinterest's, or to a place where people want to socialise and relying in the spam/share buttons."

      My reply to that:

      "You need to send this to HubPages at 95 Minna Street, San Francisco, CA 94105

      First, they would have to agree. Then you'd need to identify these sites you'd want to include. Not an easy job - in fact, almost impossible. Every site would have to be checked. Who is going to do that? Who will pay the checkers, and from what income source?

      Google cannot remove any site from the web unless it owns the platform (blogger, Youtube, etc), it can only rank them further down the search results, or exclude them from its own search results if the site is guilty of some violation, such as copyright theft after being served with a DMCA. The best thing we can hope for is that Google becomes the architect of its own demise - in the same way that great numbers of people (not enough) are leaving Facebook.

      Unfortunately, you will never defeat social media sites and apps as they change, adapt and spring up according to the wishes of the public.

      Hubpages, as it is, is a dinosaur - we all know that. Unless it transforms into some sort of mobile-friendly, social media centre, it's b*****ed."

      1. FootballNut profile image60
        FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

        You need to send this to HubPages at 95 Minna Street, San Francisco, CA 94105

        Response - There is no point everyone is too google brainwashed and too busy doing what google tell them (who are not even their target audience).

        First, they would have to agree. Then you'd need to identify these sites you'd want to include. Not an easy job - in fact, almost impossible. Every site would have to be checked. Who is going to do that? Who will pay the checkers, and from what income source?

        Response - Google are kicking every site off of their website except wikipedia, government based websites, news media sites, youtube, and big big product selling based companies. There you go every site is the identity right there in front of you. Vetting process is explained below. Hubpages will not have to go find these sites, these sites will find hubpages when they have to look for an alternative, if hubpages re-brands it will get sites coming to it manually.

        Google cannot remove any site from the web unless it owns the platform (blogger, Youtube, etc), it can only rank them further down the search results, or exclude them from its own search results if the site is guilty of some violation, such as copyright theft after being served with a DMCA. The best thing we can hope for is that Google becomes the architect of its own demise - in the same way that great numbers of people (not enough) are leaving Facebook.

        Response - This is what I mean by you're not thinking. Yes, your are correct they can not physically do that but just say for example I have a website with 10,000 pages of QUALITY information (that google no longer need because wikipedia probably have similar information available). If google bring out giraffe next door to panda and say every page has to have 983 words on, I will have to go fix every page whilst still trying to supply the same information on each page. If I don't do this what will happen? Google will kick me off of their search site, which will result in google saying your site is not good enough to display adsense on - boom my income source has gone, if I have other advert suppliers on my site as well they are so brainwashed by google they will say, sorry you can't display our adverts no more as your not good enough for google search results, even though the exact same content has been for years on end. I CAN'T SURVIVE WITH NO INCOME

        If I have a website where I sell products and have adverts on as a source of income but do not have exactly 983 words on each page I will have to fix it to stay on google. If I don't I will lose all that advertising revenue, and have no where to be found other than on spam boards such as pinterest, or social media spam/share buttons, where I will be praying that everyone on facebook shares my link so all everyone will see is my link in their newsfeed (looks so spammy), the chances are if they done that though people would start blocking my link (boom I have no one anymore). Yes you can correspond with customers as a manner of getting sales, but if one bit of customer satisfaction is not met such as a item breaks in the delivery method from me to the customer...one status that takes two seconds to appear will bring me to a public argument via comments with customers. Not only that I will have to compete with all them ITEMS FOR SALE pages that every single town in the world has. And not to mention prices of products will have to rise because advertising revenue will be lost which is another bad thing for product sellers to be forced to do, as they are small businesses prices will be higher than the big businesses left on google so where will people go??????

        We are all going to be left to die off. Leaving nothing but google and the sites mentioned above. At the moment they still need us though to keep normal searchers going to google, once they have it all in place boooom the giraffe will come out and lose loads more sites from google/google adsense/all advertising platforms so they can't generate an income. Some may survive like some did the panda, but then after that another animal or something will pop to completely wipe out everyone.

        Unfortunately, you will never defeat social media sites and apps as they change, adapt and spring up according to the wishes of the public.

        Response -The wishes of the public is to search what that want, google are adapting to only supply information from the mentioned sites, the public will love us.

        Hubpages, as it is, is a dinosaur - we all know that. Unless it transforms into some sort of mobile-friendly, social media centre, it's b*****ed."

        To get the homepage seen, attract all the sites google are going to throw out, they will do the talking for us. Then do as marissa said, add a pieces of curated content at the bottom of every hub explaining what hubpages is with a link to the homepages, people will start saving that as a tab/homepage once they realise that google are nothing but a governmental news media board.

        The vetting can be done through the AD CODES that sites place on their websites. Ad codes are targeted and will show ads to do with the content on each page. If a page contains prohibited content ads will not show as there will be no ads in the hubpages ad directory of such natures. Hubpages will see they're are not earning and will go look why. As for sourcing the vetting process let the ad codes do that, if more staff are required because of the amount of vetting required that will be a good sign of growth, and it would mean that more sites have come here which means more sites are displaying hubpages ads, which means they will be getting more incomes, which means as they are getting more income they can afford to invest in new staff members to suit the growth of this website's needs.

        1. relache profile image87
          relacheposted 11 months ago in reply to this

          You say that like it's a bad thing.

          Content creation as a practice, job, hobby or whatever you want to call it, didn't exist until about a decade ago.  That the industry that created that need has grown or move away from it is not surprising.  The internet did not create a demand for content creators for the intent of employing them, it just demanded what it wanted.

          Unfortunately, just demanding what one wants does not work as well when that demand comes while ignoring all processes that came before or which are even in play at the moment.  Just like how putting forth the same beliefs over and over, repeatedly saying the same things lounder and louder, is not a debate or discussion.

          1. FootballNut profile image60
            FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

            Think deeper, your right it didn't exist.

            But now it does and people have based their life around their income, if you cut their income what are they going to do? All them people that have gone to university etc to make it in the internet world who know nothing different are in their 30' or 40's.........what they going to do? Lose their houses that they have mortgage etc on. or are 100's and 100's of thousands of non internet related jobs going to magically become available?

            Your saying it like these sites are not needed, everything every site out there has on it will still be available, however it will only be supplied by big sites.

            Nothing is going to change in a normal searchers eyes, they will not even notice the transition of sites dropping off until it is completed and that all have dropped off except the ones mentioned.

            1. theraggededge profile image92
              theraggededgeposted 11 months ago in reply to this

              And how many ordinary people do you know personally in the real world, who *only* rely on the internet for all their income? Not very many, I would guess. I don't know a single one.

              1. FootballNut profile image60
                FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

                Hubpages staff.

                About.com staff and writers.

                Internet marketers.

                Pinterest staff

                Godaddy staff

                Every website domain name selling companies staff

                Evert website that offers internet marketing platforms staff.

                All the staff that work for job related/agency related websites that won't be needed as it will just be the government job related site left.

                There is probably millions that rely on the internet as a source of income, they don't have to be writer/content suppliers they can work for companies too.

                Do I need to go on?

                1. theraggededge profile image92
                  theraggededgeposted 11 months ago in reply to this

                  I said, how many do you know personally? Individuals; your neighbours, your mates, your extended family? You have no idea what the actual circumstances are of those you mentioned.

                  Edit: Neither do you care about the ones you mentioned, since they are not the topic of this discussion, being pretty much Google-protected (according to you). You were talking about small website owners and individual content providers - you can't move the goalposts to suit yourself.

                  1. FootballNut profile image60
                    FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

                    The topic of the conversation is the internet is going and it involves everyone, but it is not going in the sense of disappearing it is going in the sense that it will belong to the big boys....just like your town probably is, all the little shops shutting and supermarkets moving in etc...

                    Yes I know people whose income is through the internet and I also know people who have lost their businesses through googles dictatorship.

                    As to say I don't care, like I said when you're wiped out and can't make your paints no more because the only option you have is to go and buy the ingredients to make your own paints will be from a big company who will price the ingredients higher than buying a pot of paint - you will not be making your own paints no more, that is a form of them dictating to you that you can't do something you enjoy doing.

            2. relache profile image87
              relacheposted 11 months ago in reply to this

              My friend in the Bay Area went to trade school in the late 80s, and he learned a brand-new job, one that hadn't existed before.  He learned to repair computer motherboards.  That went great for about a decade, and towards the end, the guys that had those skills could work as much as they liked, making money hand over fist.

              And then one day, the entire tech industry changed, and nobody repaired motherboards anymore.  Literally, manufacturing shifted and a high-demand job became an obsolete one overnight.

              When I was a kid, when you dialed zero on a phone, you got a human who then had to look up whatever phone number info were trying to find.  And then you would write down what they said with a pen or pencil, hang up and redial whatever they had just said.  Touch-tone phones arrived later.

              What's happening now is nothing new in the greater scheme of modern society even if it's never happened to you before.

              1. FootballNut profile image60
                FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

                My friend in the Bay Area went to trade school in the late 80s, and he learned a brand-new job, one that hadn't existed before.  He learned to repair computer motherboards.  That went great for about a decade, and towards the end, the guys that had those skills could work as much as they liked, making money hand over fist.

                And then one day, the entire tech industry changed, and nobody repaired motherboards anymore.  Literally, manufacturing shifted and a high-demand job became an obsolete one overnight.

                Is his business or this industry internet related? If people have problems google will have employees such as your friend, telling him how much he is allowed to earn/his hourly wage, suppose to him being able to earn what he wanted. Good he made something from nothing but he had the help of the internet to get himself out there, if a kid in 5 years wants to get him self out there with his brand new idea how is he going to do it without google seeing it first then nicking his/her business platform like they are nicking everyone website content now?

                When I was a kid, when you dialed zero on a phone, you got a human who then had to look up whatever phone number info were trying to find.  And then you would write down what they said with a pen or pencil, hang up and redial whatever they had just said.  Touch-tone phones arrived later.

                Yes, this is true. Then websites appeared for people to find numbers etc (they're going so are their staff).

                What's happening now is nothing new in the greater scheme of modern society even if it's never happened to you before.

                1. FootballNut profile image60
                  FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

                  They will see anything anyone attempts to do either offline or online and have the money to launch their own brand of whatever the new idea is at that time.

            3. Marisa Wright profile image93
              Marisa Wrightposted 11 months ago in reply to this

              Business evolves all the time, and that means some businesses cease to be economically viable.  It's tough but it's the way business has always been.  Relache gives some great examples of other situations where that's happened - it's the way of the world.

              They say that in a gold rush, the people who make the most money are the people selling shovels.  The internet has been like a gold rush - those who got in early got the gold.  Anyone who's joined the rush since 2011 has been panning for the dregs - meanwhile the early starters have moved on to "selling shovels" (website design, SEO, social marketing) to the late arrivals.  And of course, the people who sell shovels WANT you to believe you can still make a fortune - so you'll still find plenty of people promising you can make a living blogging.

              It was always inevitable that the gold would start to run out.

              1. FootballNut profile image60
                FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

                Good luck starting new businesses without having any  means of getting your business seen. Or if you do get that business seen remember your up against the big boys such as googles friends.

                I am really getting bored of this conversation now. I have reported the forum and it has not been removed or stopped. You can't see the bigger picture that is fine.

                1. Marisa Wright profile image93
                  Marisa Wrightposted 11 months ago in reply to this

                  If you know it won't be seen, why would you bother starting that new business?  You'd choose another idea.  The internet is not the only business opportunity in the world.

        2. theraggededge profile image92
          theraggededgeposted 11 months ago in reply to this

          Then it is not worthwhile you continuing to push this any further is there? Blabbing on and on to us, the forum members, i.e. the ones who don't own the site, cannot resolve one single issue. Not a one. You can have all the agreement in the world but the only people who can change HP are the ones who can implement those changes.

          I really think this has run its course, don't you?

          PS Don't email me anymore, there's a sweetheart.

    6. Jesse Drzal profile image83
      Jesse Drzalposted 11 months ago

      So is HP doomed? They have to attract people here somehow to make good content.

      1. Marisa Wright profile image93
        Marisa Wrightposted 11 months ago in reply to this

        The methodology of HubPages has always been that it attracts writers - it's then up to the writers to attract the traffic (by writing information-rich, Google-friendly Hubs). 

        FBNut's concern is that that strategy doesn't work as well as it used to, and that's certainly true.  The question is whether it can continue to work well enough, so that writers will continue to feel it's worthwhile.

        1. Brynn Thorssen profile image89
          Brynn Thorssenposted 11 months ago in reply to this

          Even if it is geared towards members and writers, they should be featuring different articles on the home page, not the same articles month after month.  I have nothing against the snot article, but once I've read it, I don't need to see it on the home page.  I assume that's why you follow an article.

          As I mentioned before, Etsy thought up a creative way for members to prop each other up by having them create treasuries, which are then featured on the home page for everyone.  Ultimately, Etsy chooses which treasuries appear on their home page (focus on a particular color or holiday), so I think there is a good balance between what members want and what Etsy knows it needs to put out there.  It's not always fair but at least if you take good photos, you have a chance of being on the home page.

          1. FootballNut profile image60
            FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

            What is the income source of Esty to it's owners just out of curiosity?

    7. Jesse Drzal profile image83
      Jesse Drzalposted 11 months ago

      From what I understand, many if not all the content sites have fallen by the wayside. In the long term this should help HP immensely am I correct?

      1. FootballNut profile image60
        FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

        Yes, until google say something and HP jump to their commands or face getting their adverts took off of their site. Which equals closure.

      2. Marisa Wright profile image93
        Marisa Wrightposted 11 months ago in reply to this

        Jesse, I don't think the closure of other writing sites has made any real difference to HubPages.

        Ask yourself, who is HubPages' competition?  It's not just other writing sites, it's the whole of the internet - people who write dance Hubs are in competition with dance articles on any site, for instance.  So, the closure of other writing sites would've removed a lot of articles from the internet, but there are many thousands of articles still there.

    8. Jesse Drzal profile image83
      Jesse Drzalposted 11 months ago

      But what does Google really gain from shoving the same Wiki articles down everyone's throat? From a business standpoint you would think they want fresh ever evolveing content for viewers.

      1. FootballNut profile image60
        FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

        Wikipedia does not show adverts mate, they beg for donations.

        They are google friends, it will not be the same article it will be whatever anyone searches/what information they seek that will only show wikipedia capsules or links. People will divert to their and get begged to donate, and the public will donate.

        And guess what?

        All the sites that survive on adsense revenue will be gone because google will stop adsense as their income will come from wikipedia. Big businesses will belinked from wikipedia and will not have to pay for advertising, as keywords will link to their wikipedia page, then the searcher will get begged.

        Do an example search, just imagine you wanted to know what Ribena is:

        Go on google now mate and search

        what is ribena

        above the actual ribena business website link is wikipedia, click that wikipedia link read what it is, get a begging message, then click the link to the ribena website to get to their site. That is how it will all work, for any kind of business search, informations search etc etc

        1. Marisa Wright profile image93
          Marisa Wrightposted 11 months ago in reply to this

          Why do you think Wikipedia is Google's friend?  What does Google get out of it?

          1. FootballNut profile image60
            FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

            A cup of coffee...what do you think they get out of it??

            Why do you think so many searches show wikipedia in capsules with pretty pictures before searchers get to view them horrible links from little sites???

            Do you think they are showing wikipedia in that fashion RIGHT NOW for nothing???

            Wikipedia is a donation based website, perfect for google to drop adsense once everything is in shape, booom night night all you little sites, now we will rely on the dopey public that supplied wikipedia with all the knowledge on it to donate to us or tell them we have to shut it down.....people will donate

            1. FootballNut profile image60
              FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

              Not to add there are sites underneath them wikipedia capsules with pretty pictures that displays googles very own adsense on their sites.

              Google are picking wikipedia over what we think is their income source? REALLY???

        2. theraggededge profile image92
          theraggededgeposted 11 months ago in reply to this

          Going to ask you again...

          What is the point of your continuing this discussion with forum members who have no control over the future of HP?

          If you have all the answers, shouldn't you be directing them at the people who can actually do something about it?

          1. FootballNut profile image60
            FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

            Because sweetheart they are so brainwashed by impressing google with all the SEO crap. It needs people to get them to listen not just one person mate.

            Ask yourself after how google treated hubpages with the panda (because they were ready to start clearing sites out) why the heck are they still trying to get back in their good books? Hubpages are trying to get back in their good books to get better searches, sod that, what happens if they get back in their google books then the week after google fancy another clear out?

            Is it worth it, or should they just attempt to go on there own, they have all the facilities right here right now to do it.

            Someone needs to catch all these sites that are dropping off of google slowly so that wikipedia, news sites, youtube, government sites etc can go above them, lets catch them and save their income however small it is.

            1. Marisa Wright profile image93
              Marisa Wrightposted 11 months ago in reply to this

              HubPages has already made it clear the answer is no.

              If you think it's such a good idea, why don't you start up a new search engine yourself?  Or perhaps one of the other writing sites like Wizzley or PersonaPaper or DailyTwoCents would be more open to your concept.

              1. FootballNut profile image60
                FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

                Why did they say NO??

                Because they are google brainwashed, they may wish they said yes once them million views you say they get a day is zero views.

                If you realise I am responding to your questions/points.

                Yes they have said no so stop commenting. I reported the forum ages ago to try and get it shut, deleted or whatever and it is still here.

                It is only you that wants the last word that I am not going to let you have that keeps on.

                Yes hubpages have said no on the basis their advertisers wont let them (google) who have deranked their site so badly already they have lost 72 million views a day.

                A minimum of one big company per week they are buying

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_m … _by_Google

              2. FootballNut profile image60
                FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

                Check out Alphabet too!!

                No mention of adsense in their plans or small site owners just a cleaner google with a collection of companies with strong CEO's of who GOOGLE WILL COMPENSATE and fund (what could be more cleaner than having no sites except the ones they own, the big boys sites and one massive information database known as wikipedia)???

                https://abc.xyz/

                Look at that domain name, that will keep it hidden, you may have to click the "more" link on that one sentence you can see on that empty page....think they were hoping people don't click more just think that was it, is there really any need to have a more link on a page with nothing on it on a domain that will never get hits so will never rank above abc kids searches who would not understand it? Having one sentence on a page Google is bad for SEO as you so often dictate to every single brainwashed website owner, domain URL like that and bad SEO, almost as if they want this hidden.

                And here is form 8-k as confirmation of the MERGER company alphabet registering

                http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/ … d8k12b.htm

                And as for the few pence of earnings you mentioned, think deeper if this site got quality traffic (it was searched because people want it information or something), instead of it getting put on pinterest in the hope some one wants it, companies will pay more to advertise, that means just through getting page views the earnings will be more because it is quality seeked traffic..people searching and not even landing on your pages will make the advertising revenue go up...that benefits everyone.....do you not realise how quickly the few pence can become hundreds and potentially a income to live off of?

                1. relache profile image87
                  relacheposted 11 months ago in reply to this

                  Alphabet is the holding company that owns Google.  To suggest or imply this is an alternative in any way shape or form to Google couldn't be more erroneous.

                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alphabet_Inc.
                  "Alphabet Inc. (commonly known as Alphabet) is an American multinational conglomerate created in 2015 as the parent company of Google and several other companies previously owned by or tied to Google."

                  1. FootballNut profile image60
                    FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

                    Yes but that parent company is owned by the google owners......

                    They own the parent company that all the sites within that group are part of, they will appoint a SEO and COMPENSATE such companies, then they are making google cleaner

                    What could be more cleaner than having nothing on google accept themselves, big companies in their group, media etc etc

                    They are organising the worlds information which means they will make the whole internet cleaner....this means spam boards like pinterest and social share buttons will get cleaned up when the time is right....read the ABC link and read everything not just the first paragraph like with that wikipedia quote you just left as away of trying to tell me I am wrong

                    I added a link above of form 8-k confirming who registered alphabet. And before you say the internet will end or whatever if they do this, please look how fast bitcoin is growing and at how shops are starting to accept bitcoin both online and offline.

                    https://abc.xyz/

                    Oh and here is a quote from experienced pinterest users without websites/web pages to promote:

                    "In practice, it serves as the equivalent of going through a catalog and circling all the s*** you want but can't have."

                    That is pretty accurate, good luck keeping it going before people get fed up. Welcome stumbleupon number 3 after that, that won't even be able to get off the ground as it will not be able to be found....

                    Did ask someone before how Pinterest generate income as they don't seem to have any adverts, just found this about their income plan, a select companies, are little sites going to be able to afford to spend as much as big sites??

                    https://www.quora.com/How-does-Pinteres … ness-model

                    Not sure what truth is in this either but look who is pinning things if this is true?

                    They are currently generating revenue by using  an affiliate method called SkimLinks (http://skimlinks.com/). If you click through this pin from pinterest:

                    you will notice that there is an affiliate link (using Skimlinks) appended to the URL:

                    ?reco=Rec_pdp_13518864_ClickCP_Adjacency&ref=tgt_adv_xasd0001&AFID=Performics_Skimlinks&LNM=Primary

                    This revenue model typically pays between 2-5% of the purchase. Skimlinks reads the URL and then appends an affiliate string to the URL when an affiliate relationship is available.

                    Since many "Pins" are products from sites that have affiliate programs, you can imagine how much $$$ can be made.

                    What will happen when people start joining affiliate programs in the mass and all pinning the same items in the hope other pinners who pin affiliate links will buy from them even though they pinned the same links...

            2. theraggededge profile image92
              theraggededgeposted 11 months ago in reply to this

              And you can be the person who saves all those incomes. Off you go - there's work to be done.

              1. FootballNut profile image60
                FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

                I would if I had a site that is already in a position to do, why don't you listen. This site is ready to catch everyone.

                You seem to think just because google is adapting that everyday searchers are too, but they are not. Hense why google have to do it bit by bit instead of just dropping every site in one hit. If they drop everyone the every day searchers will notice the massive change.

                If your children grow up with amazing ideas that could be brilliant businesses for them and they attempt to build that business before it gets off the ground google will swipe it from under their feet and set the business up before your children even have the chance to get their name out there, they will probably offer your children a job in that business too just to take the mickey and pay them a hourly rate.

                Right, when will this forum be closed I reported ages ago?

      2. Brynn Thorssen profile image89
        Brynn Thorssenposted 11 months ago in reply to this

        They do, but the system was abused for so long, and advertisers don't have the money to waste like they did however many years ago. Those sites that were just lists of other websites?  They were really annoying and they were right to get rid of those.

        1. theraggededge profile image92
          theraggededgeposted 11 months ago in reply to this

          Those directories were very useful if you were searching for resources on a certain topic.

          It used to be lovely going on a surfing expedition - it's not like that any more.

          1. FootballNut profile image60
            FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

            It is with your curated content locked in topics on pinterest boards. Go to pinterest, click links because the title sounds like it may have information you were seeking only to get to that link after clicking TWICE to realise it was not the information you wanted, it was someone selling products to do with the information you wanted, so you go back to pinterest and look for another title do with information you require, click it twice again (when you find it) and it may have products there again or might be accurate and actually have the information you require.

            Is that not surfing? Or is leaving information seekers to play a guessing game with the links they see part of the fun because they have so much time on their hands? or is it playing hide and seek with knowledge?

            At least on search engines you type the words in 99.9% of the time you will get what you wanted....I only want information not products, to get that information on pinterest I have to play a guessing game on what links to choose to go to judging by the heading/title.....SURFING how it used to be was not even that bad lol......

            1. Marisa Wright profile image93
              Marisa Wrightposted 11 months ago in reply to this

              You're just showing your ignorance - in the last few posts you've referred to "curated content" in a way that clearly shows you have no idea what it means. And you keep banging on about Pinterest for some reason that escapes me - it's just another social network so I don't see the relevance. 

              It makes it pretty obvious that you're not bothering to read or understand what anyone has posted in reply to you, you just keep on repeating the same argument over and over again.

              1. paradigmsearch profile image89
                paradigmsearchposted 11 months ago in reply to this

                Marisa, you are being played. I like you, move on to something with better karma.

                1. Marisa Wright profile image93
                  Marisa Wrightposted 11 months ago in reply to this

                  Who's playing who?   It passes the time.  Can you tell I have no life at the moment?  Sad.

                  1. paradigmsearch profile image89
                    paradigmsearchposted 11 months ago in reply to this

                    I stand corrected. lol

                    Just for you, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDQLbRicvic big_smile

                    1. Marisa Wright profile image93
                      Marisa Wrightposted 11 months ago in reply to this

                      Aw, thank you!

                2. calculus-geometry profile image85
                  calculus-geometryposted 11 months ago in reply to this

                  I have to admit I'm impressed with our ever-reincarnating friend's commitment to staying in character.  The high-strung ignorant Englishman is a much better persona than his previous characters.

                  1. FootballNut profile image60
                    FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

                    Read their comments mate they won't answer absolutely anything. Yet are suggesting such sites as good sources.

                    What is ignorant about seeking information on their suggestions?

                    Please answer.

                  2. FootballNut profile image60
                    FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

                    And one more thing to point out you keep calling me dasangel or something, now you're mentioning other characters he previously was.

                    I have never been on this website before, so if there has been others saying the same things may be there is something to worry about that not everyone is seeing...yet can see just by looking at things when they search, or drops in revenue occur that don't pick up again, or sites out there becoming less and less popular....it really is all there for anyone to see,....

                    I promise I have not been on this website prior to this account. That may be why there is a difference in the characters as you mentioned.

                    1. paradigmsearch profile image89
                      paradigmsearchposted 11 months ago in reply to this

                      You have merit. There is much potential here for verbal exercise.

              2. FootballNut profile image60
                FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

                It is not a social network, see what I mean you been on it or have known about if for so long yet still don't know what it is.

                Do you talk to people on there?

                Do you comment on links?

                Do you have regular comment conversations on links?

                Do you actually know in real life 10% of your followers at least?

                The reason is the repeats have to keep coming because STUMBLEUPON 2 is not going to help your online business ventures, stumbleupon 2 is curating content, so curating content is not going to save your online ventures, do you see why I have to keep saying the same argument.

                None of you actually answer any of the EVIDENCE provided with links to what google have said they aim to do, nor have any of you answered where this next site is that you think will magically save small sites, you just nodding with someone who said facebook and curating/pinterest is the way forward.

                What is pinterests income source it doesn't display adverts, that is the third time asking but no-one will answer yet you think it is the way forward, I know the answer, they're pinning affiliate links that they earn from and they plan to TRY and get big businesses on there (so laughable to think big businesses will stay on their long term) then charge them to feature their pins, if they do manage it where will all the little site pins go??

                1. Marisa Wright profile image93
                  Marisa Wrightposted 11 months ago in reply to this

                  My point is, you seem to be totally obsessed with Pinterest when it's got nothing to do with the topic of this thread.  I don't know why it fascinates you so much.  I don't use it myself.

                  1. FootballNut profile image60
                    FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

                    No love, you lot brought pinterest and curating content into this thread in an attempt to go against the point of this thread - that being turning this site into a search site, I joined it because of you lot saying it was the way forward. Within seconds you can see it is a mirror of stumbleupon.

                    Now you have got me to join it, I am asking you questions about it, to try and make sense of where you think this site is going to end up.

                    For example you're telling me it is a social site, I did not see no social activity on that site whatsoever.

                    If you answer the questions it might help.

                    1. Marisa Wright profile image93
                      Marisa Wrightposted 11 months ago in reply to this

                      Pinterest is just one of multiple ways you can get traffic to your website or Hub, by creating "Made for Pinterest" images on your site/Hub which you then post on Pinterest. 

                      http://hubpages.com/business/How-to-Gen … -Pinterest

                      It wouldn't be a big part of the business model I suggested, because as you say, the opportunity for interaction is limited.  I think you may be confusing my posts with someone else's.

    9. psycheskinner profile image80
      psycheskinnerposted 11 months ago

      Ultimately the consumer is what funds the system. When Google stops being the best possible portal to originators, they will stop dominating the market.  Right now, that is not what is happening. Google still favors good originators. The are just getting better and better at sifting out the SEO weenies.

      No point getting all outraged,  Money flows from consumers to originators.  Everything else is just a conduit.  King of the world one year can be history the next if they stop doing their job.  And while the trend is to vertical integration, it is a trend with built in limits because Google cannot originate all the content that consumers want and still make a profit.

      1. FootballNut profile image60
        FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

        Ultimately the consumer is what funds the system. When Google stops being the best possible portal to originators, they will stop dominating the market.  Right now, that is not what is happening. Google still favors good originators. The are just getting better and better at sifting out the SEO weenies.

        Where are they going to go????????
        When google is the only consumer along with their big friends, do you really think consumers are going to go anywhere else other than to that selection of people???

        No point getting all outraged,  Money flows from consumers to originators.  Everything else is just a conduit.  King of the world one year can be history the next if they stop doing their job.  And while the trend is to vertical integration, it is a trend with built in limits because Google cannot originate all the content that consumers want and still make a profit.

        How can they stop doing what they're doing if they're the only ones they're doing it for??? Because those in a good position will not step up?

        If all the top product sellers and information suppliers are the only ones left on google, are you saying everyone in the world is going to STOP wanting products and information just because it is not being sold or supplied by a little site? Of cause they will not they will go to them companies because they're will be no one else to go to......seriously think before you type.... People ain't going to stop living because they can't buy a book off of some little site that sells books...if they want that book or whatever it is they will go to whoever can give it to them, and it won't be no one outside of the elite. It will be consumer funding the elite only as you put it.

      2. FootballNut profile image60
        FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

        You all keep saying that something else will come along to take care of the little sites

        Where are the signs of whoever is going to come along??

        I am not accepting Pinterest as answer sorry, go join stumbleupon and look at the resemblance, it didn't work for them.

        Nor, is social media where people want to socialise the long term solution.

        So where is it, who is going to protect the next SEO victims, whose content will not be good enough because it's traffic is from spam methods such as pinterest and social share buttons??

        So where is your magic site that you all think is going to pop up as things change (the changes are happening right NOW), curating content is not the answer either (long term).

        And even if something does come up, if google drop adsense the chances are a lot of little sites will have to shut anyway, so whoever comes up will have to serve their own ad distributing program in order to give the little sites adverts to display/generate an income.........good luck getting advertisers on board if they don't hurry up and get the saving site running NOW to pick all these little sites up out of trash can. The time they set up google will have made the internet ADVERT FREE and ad blockers will be on all THEIR ANDROID PHONES ...wow that will stop anyone trying to pick the little sites up that they no longer needed...even though them sites were fine for years and years....yes ADVERT FREE.......guess you think they will not be able to generate any money if they do that don't you because you won't think......wikipedia donations, google owning loads of sites that people will buy from, the big product players who google might even try buying out or becoming shareholders of....news media sites may pay them....government sites may let them off of paying tax....oh they already do don't they???

        Google are the technology behind Android, so why would they allow or even want AD BLOCKING on millions and millions of people's phones that might visit sites displaying adsense? The answer is they want to strangle all the little sites that display such adverts, force them to shut without looking like the ones that closed them down.

    10. Jesse Drzal profile image83
      Jesse Drzalposted 11 months ago

      Revenge Of The Google Empire: Episode 1. Panda Devourers SEO Weenies (nom) (nom) (nom)

      1. FootballNut profile image60
        FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

        Hahaha

        Episode 2: The Hungry Hippo

        Who will get wiped out by SEO and become the SEO weenies next?

        Less and less sites in existent as each animal eats sites up making more and more room for big sites taking keywords and to appear in search results

        haha mad mate in it.

        Things to think about:

        Google's results does not need any single information based site out there, it has wikipedia that has everything on it.

        Wikipedia get found at the top of almost all searches displaying a capsule with pretty pictures above the little sites with horrible looking links listed below their beautiful capsules, yes displayed beautifully above sites linked from horrible looking links that have adsense displayed on them...what the hell almost as if google don't want sites earning or themselves earning from adsense

        Google allow AD BLOCKER on their ANDROID phones, what the hell do google not want people that visit websites with adsense on to see their income source

        Their actions will end up strangling little sites income sources out of the marketplace, if it don't work then hippo will be released saying, for better results you need to add a man picking his nose in a 3-d image to every single one of your website pages, if you don't you will be hit by SEO penalties and get deranked even further lol. SEO is all bullcrap, all SEO is, is just a way google control website owners by saying do this and your get better rankings....if every site in just say the football category had brilliant SEO how do they then determine the rankings? Yes SEO is important but nowhere near as important as google dictate to every website owner that it is, why are site owners so concerned about keeping google who are not the target audience nor will they ever be a customer happy, the only people site owners need to keep happy are their target audience (which is not google).

    11. paradigmsearch profile image89
      paradigmsearchposted 11 months ago

      Let's get back to the basics.

      Make one premise. We will take it from there.

      1. FootballNut profile image60
        FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

        Basics works.

        1. paradigmsearch profile image89
          paradigmsearchposted 11 months ago in reply to this

          Good answer. Go ahead.

          1. FootballNut profile image60
            FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

            Need people in the right position to adapt their site to changes.......suck site owners in before it is too late, that person in the right position is not me else this forum would not even be here smile.

            1. paradigmsearch profile image89
              paradigmsearchposted 11 months ago in reply to this

              Go more basic. Try again. smile

              1. FootballNut profile image60
                FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

                Depends what era you was born as to what basic is smile....you old bug.ger haha Only kidding smile

                1. paradigmsearch profile image89
                  paradigmsearchposted 11 months ago in reply to this

                  Logic aka math is timeless. Proceed?

                  1. FootballNut profile image60
                    FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

                    Deleted

                    1. paradigmsearch profile image89
                      paradigmsearchposted 11 months ago in reply to this
    12. paradigmsearch profile image89
      paradigmsearchposted 11 months ago

      I like you, but you lost it. Would you like to play?

      1. FootballNut profile image60
        FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

        No. It won't work.

    13. Shadrack2 profile image65
      Shadrack2posted 11 months ago

      That would be the best development for writer ever

      1. paradigmsearch profile image89
        paradigmsearchposted 11 months ago

        Well, I see this thread is moving right along... HP really should pay the OP something, they are racking up ad revenue right and left. lol

        1. FootballNut profile image60
          FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

          Hello mate.

          No, this has been put to bed now from my point of view unless anyone comes along with suggestions rather than being verbal. If you want to look at the screenshot scroll up to the original post with it in.

          SEO is bad if we have a page just full of links,  as anyone ever seen every single google search results page....wtf they have made billions and billions from bad SEO then

          as for ad revenue yes I have had a few views on my articles because of this thread, but it is in-house traffic so it is not worth anything.....it is not quality traffic - only searching is quality traffic, meaning they have to seek your pages meaning that your pages are being looked for/seeked, anything that has not been searched is not being seeked it is being put in front of people - for example feeds/spam boards where links can not be avoided to be seen by people when people share stuff- , the same goes for hubpages ad revenue through views on this forum.....it's not much at all.....the more poor traffic a site gets the less per 1,000 views it gets, hence drops in revenue constantly

          youtube = future pay per view sky/cable TV etc

        2. theraggededge profile image92
          theraggededgeposted 11 months ago in reply to this

          On the secret forum, we're taking bets big_smile

          1. FootballNut profile image60
            FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

            I will bet you that so far this year $0.20 has not been made, in fact not even 3/4's of that has been made. What is that in pennies lol.

            In-house traffic counts for nothing......you lot can view my pages all day long and it would not reach a dollar, it will go down in value (which will lead to advertisers dropping off as their not getting quality traffic). It is real people we need to look at things ie searchers/seekers in order to boost the value of the advertising smile

            Real seeker/searchers come from search engines, who as you probably know are giving this site and many many other sites as a whole, less and less results on their engines by supplying capsules from them sites their giving less traffic too = killing them off

            If anyone believes that members looking at members pages is of any real value, then it opens the door to all of us just to go around page flipping/going to pages for 30 seconds without reading anything (remember them sites). Companies will not pay for that so visit my pages as much as you like and devalue this web site even more if you like. It needs real outside non members to survive and bring any real value to page views revenue.

            In affect traffic surfing is happening on this site by members reading members stuff, then people wonder why the revenue per 1,000 views drops week in week out.

            As forums seem to be the busiest part of this site, it would be a good idea for hubpages to remove the ads from forums, even doing that will boost the revenue, because forum discussions are from us the people writing to earn from these advertisers, so they know we don't really want to see their adverts therefor will pay less then eventually nothing when forums are the only place where their ads are being seen (as we are not their target audience) because search engines have took our stuff and put it in capsules and deranked us.

      2. smcopywrite profile image81
        smcopywriteposted 11 months ago

        As a member of the Hubpages community I feel the site is wonderful. That being said, to continue at this status or level a constant change is necessary. The web is evolving much faster than it was only several years ago. Evolution is the equivalent of all change, including freelance writing.
        Keeping up with the Jones' is needed in some instances, especially when it comes to livelihood or earned income for published articles. It makes good business sense.

        Members select which sites to display personal content on and there are certainly other forums which see the light when it comes to taking into account the needs and wants of community writers earning potential. The number one need is more income. The suggestions and ideas put forth are certainly doable to see this happen.

        Modification, even at a slower pace keeps the site ahead of lots of the competition. Members belong to a select number of sites when putting good content out there. By attempting to earn more money and linking up with more sites the published work turns into something less than great. Update how much earning potential a writer is capable of with the Hub or take a chance of seeing those same brilliant minds going somewhere else or putting out something less than desirable to make the extra buck. It is worth the possibility of paying more to get better content..

        Freelance writers are interested in making money for a living. The evolution of earning on the web means taking this next step. When writers make more so does the Hub.

        Part of this issue is related to the clean up Google did with weeding out the irrelevant and mediocre crap all over the web. Now the remaining writers are of a higher caliber and certainly deserve better pay.

        1. FootballNut profile image60
          FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

          Part of this issue is the clean up of google you are 100% correct mate. They're cleaning up alright.

          Writing sites are being used as CONTENT FARMING by curators, google curate content. The capsules are being taken from expertly written pages by experts and being curated by google. It does not matter where the experts add their content, writing sites, their own sites, social sites, wherever, if it is getting curated and being shown above search results of the experts their traffic is going to disappear, this is going to lose them income, not only that businesses will drop off from the sources of advertising such writers use.

          There are websites that curate content then class themselves as experts, these websites are weeding out the best content, then google is coming along and taking it off of their websites sites and placing the content in lovely capsules above horrible looking links that the experts sites or pages link off to.....

          The cleanup of bad SEO is going to continue, the rules of what SEO is as set by google will evolve not the internet, their rules of SEO will change, this is what makes the internet change, but each time they change it, it will be changed to lose sites whose content they have curated.

          Yes, forums etc do change to supply platforms for what writers etc want, but the changes we being forced to make through SEO rules is playing straight into googles hands, the SEO dictators. SEO is not important, google dicate so badly that it is, then contradict themselves by having pages and pages of nothing but linked websites on, that is the worse SEO ever but it has made them billion and trillions.

          People don't wan't to listen or doing anything because it is not affecting them at the moment, but you wait until the working class are out on their backsides, and the middle class have all lost their incomes/they have been replaced at work by someone else and then they have to drop down to the working class level, you watch cocky bitches squill, if they want to prevent that happening something needs to happen now.

          Youtube will become our new tv source on pay-per-view, millions of jobs are going through the changes that will be made in all MERGING industries, BANKS will take back houses etc.....then the middle class who think they're so great can step down into the real slave jungle.....

      3. paradigmsearch profile image89
        paradigmsearchposted 11 months ago

        Still haven't been banned I see...

        1. FootballNut profile image60
          FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

          Why would I be banned, ain't don't no more than anyone else.

          Voicing opinions .

          What has the world come to smile.

          1. paradigmsearch profile image89
            paradigmsearchposted 11 months ago in reply to this

            Just checking you are still alive. lol

            1. FootballNut profile image60
              FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

              Beings you have a blogger site, how do you add meta descriptions to each blog?

              There is no input field.

              Just setting one for no other reason other than to experiment something in a completely packed niche.

              1. DrMark1961 profile image92
                DrMark1961posted 11 months ago in reply to this

                You look under the search engines you like so much and type in "how to add a meta description to your post on blogger" and one of those spammy, non-wikipedia sites will provide you with the answer.

                1. FootballNut profile image60
                  FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

                  I am asking the experts on here as they are experts apparently that nick content so there is no need to go to search engines. Bound to be a blogger expert on here.

                  The same curators/thieves/content farmers that are going to end up spamming more spam boards and social media sites that is with their stupid videos of people doing stupid things....

                  Content farming that will be the next thing google kick sites off of the internet for haha....karma gotta love it

                  Just getting used to not having information available like this/not using search engines thanks to curators who are feeding google smile.

                  1. DrMark1961 profile image92
                    DrMark1961posted 11 months ago in reply to this

                    Are you saying that you do not want to bother looking on the search engines, or are above that waste of time, etc?
                    If that is so, do this:
                    On the right side of your blog post composition page is a symbol for a magnifying glass. Next to that symbol is the words "search description". If you click on that word, a box will open up. You can add your meta description there.
                    A meta description is what appears underneath your post title so that searchers can find your post in the SERP results.
                    If you do not like that answer you are welcome to look for a "blogger expert" and I will cease trying to help.

                    1. FootballNut profile image60
                      FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

                      It is no longer there. All that is there is labels,schedule,permalinks,location & options (of which it is not under).

                      It used to be there last time I used blogger, so them spammy sites are right, however google removing it has made them sites look incorrect/spammy now, give them a nudge they may update their pages.

                      Dictating google make changes to make sites look spammy...tut...tut

                      Seems like google don't want things going in the search results no more, must have nearly curated all of the experts content that that stole from spammy sites that means....lol.

      4. paradigmsearch profile image89
        paradigmsearchposted 11 months ago

        Right sweep with mouse. Labels will appear.

        1. FootballNut profile image60
          FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

          I seen labels, they ain't much use are they?

          I meant the meta description to tell google bots what each individual post is about.

          Seems strange blogger belongs to google yet there is no post description.

          Then again their bots use the H1,H2,H3 etc tags now as keywords, (and probably so they can swipe any useful capsules straight off of sites and display it as their own content on search result pages) Curators.....keep feeding google lol.

          Thanks anyway.

      5. paradigmsearch profile image89
        paradigmsearchposted 11 months ago

        So, pick your mind, let's go with basic thought, present one statement, and only one, and only what you think is our future. Maybe we can key off of it. Or not.

        1. FootballNut profile image60
          FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

          Going back to when neighbours actually spoke to each other, or going back to the time when postman delivered letters, nowadays they're more like leaflet distributors that post a letter known again.

          The internet was an amazing invention at first sight, but they never gave it to us until decades after they started putting things in space, they had it then when we all thought it was a new thing it was infact decades old. Now they're just playing with us lol.

          But going forward, it would be good to get rid of the internet/apps and let people be people again rather than computer junkies, and have a real laugh rather than a commented LOL.... lol.

          Nothing is natural no more, for example people purposely doing things/acting just to upload a video or picture to facebook for a few likes (that is so boring now but that is all social sites are along with spammy links that have been shared). Then people pretending to LOL in a comment whilst they have actually got a straight face and not even thinking it is the slightest bit funny.

      6. paradigmsearch profile image89
        paradigmsearchposted 11 months ago

        Oblate.

        1. paradigmsearch profile image89
          paradigmsearchposted 11 months ago in reply to this

          Not correct definition.

      7. paradigmsearch profile image89
        paradigmsearchposted 11 months ago

        The word just came to.

        1. FootballNut profile image60
          FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

          No not at all if you mean depressed by that. Why is society programed to think people are depressed or mentally ill just because a person says it how they see it, they really have got people so well trained to think like that towards people that say things that they don't want getting out there, so they actually got society to automatically label people with illnesses.

          1. paradigmsearch profile image89
            paradigmsearchposted 11 months ago in reply to this

            Odd tangent there...

            1. FootballNut profile image60
              FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

              Well I am not the one being lead down a blind alley.

              You can go again now you're going down the same route as the others with remarks/attempting name calling, and thinking how you have been trained too.

              1. paradigmsearch profile image89
                paradigmsearchposted 11 months ago in reply to this

                More tangents there...

              2. psycheskinner profile image80
                psycheskinnerposted 11 months ago in reply to this

                Have you considered that the common factor here, well, is not all of us?

        2. paradigmsearch profile image89
          paradigmsearchposted 11 months ago

          Saw your comment on my website. You are a keeper. big_smile

          1. FootballNut profile image60
            FootballNutposted 11 months ago in reply to this

            Hahaha see it makes sense don't it lol.

            Fair enough they got rid of spammy sites but is everything else next? As google are curating content (just like the so called experts do) so they won't need experts lol. That's all I been trying to say. But they experts think they will be okay but they won't it will effect everything IF it happens, see the youtube pay-per-view post it explains a potential collapse offline strangely.

         
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