What do I do when a Hubber harrasses me?

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   TessSchlesingerposted 8 years ago

   I have a question going. Two or three hubbers are
   a) not answering the question
   b) harrassing me with accusations.
   
   What is the correct procedure for this. So far I have simply deleted the comments, but this gets tedious.

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      Marisa Wrightposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      The correct procedure is to report the harrasser to the HubPages team. Deny the comments but don't delete them, so the team can see what's happening.
      
      However, the best option is simply to avoid the Q & A section. It earns virtually nothing and does nothing to enhance your profile.

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         TessSchlesingerposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         Thank you, Marisa, I will not delete anymore. As soon as they arrive, I will contact the hubteam. Thank you.

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         Jesse Drzalposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         The Q and A looks horrible to people visiting the site. It should be axed, no?

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            TessSchlesingerposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Wow! Looks horrible to whom? Would that be American Christians? It certainly wouldn't look horrible to any of my 26,000 to 29000 followers on Google Plus. Not everybody in the world is a fundamentalist Christian. In Norway, for instance, most of the country is secular and they would look askance at you if you professed belief in god.
            
            That said, There is a section on Hub Pages categories for atheism and another for religion. I am within my legal and moral rights to ask the question. There is nothing offensive about the question. I hate being nasty and rude to people. However some people smash all etiquette, kindness, and/or protocol simply to dislodge what threatens them or disagrees with them.
            
            You know for 200 or 300 years, atheists just kept their mouths shut about not believing in God. Firstly, they might get beheaded or jailed if they professed such heresy, and secondly as that fell away, it was just plain bad manners to insult someone by telling them that their gods were pie in the sky.
            
            That said, with the exception of religious fundamentalists, regardless of religion, most people will politely veer away from a topic that is divisive and offensive. For whatever reason, fundamentalists of all religion believe that they can 'group' attack those not of their persuasion, regardless if this is a physical or verbal attack.
            
            After 20 years of this, two years ago I decided enough is enough. I now delete and block elsewhere - facebook, Google Plus, etc. Hubpages doesn't give a blocking option so I will report it to management next time.
            
            By the way, you also omitted to publish her entire post which completely ignored the details in the question, and you didn't post my entire response.

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               Jesse Drzalposted 8 years agoin reply to this

               I could really care less about how many people you think are following you on Google Plus.

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                  TessSchlesingerposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  Relevance. The point is that my question would not give people a bad impression of HubPages. It doesn't happen elsewhere as demonstrated by my numbers. The point was obvious to anyone. Your response, by ignoring everything else that I said, except that, seems somewhat strange. I also have between 300,000 to a million views a month, and I write about the same things I do on Hubpages. Certainly some religious people don't like it, but they don't have to follow me. However, when they chose to attack, I delete and block. I can delete here. I can't block here.
                  
                  And Google gives one the figures, so it's not my imagination. It's there for all to see.

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                     Jesse Drzalposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                     Ok, that's all fine. I wish you the best. I really do.

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                        TessSchlesingerposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                        Thank you. I appreciate that. And to you.

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            Brynn Thorssenposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            It's also quite telling that in one post she basically decries the Q&A section then attacks someone else for making a similar point.
            
            Wouldn't it be great if there were a site where you could blog and give your opinion, unfettered, and then deny all the comments on the blog so you could lecture people all day long????  And I bet then we could call it "Hubpages"

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      Oztinatoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      It might sound revolutionary but try not asking questions that insult people's intelligence and feelings. Once you do that the problem will instantly solve itself like a heavenly miracle.
      Another amazing tip: don't ask derogatory questions about people. This is also bound to solve these problems you are having.
      Lastly forget entirely about doing questions and hubs criticizing religious people. It might shock you to learn that you youself are the problem by making insensitive remarks.
      "Hate speech is not free speech"......Einstein.

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         TessSchlesingerposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         None of my questions were hate speech. I agree that, in America as in South Africa, it is a controversial topic. My mode of address though, was not aggressive. I pointed out in the first question that it was only a section of religious people, not all of them. In view of the response by some, my question asking how on earth one gets people to drop the topic, is relevant here.
         
         The response, quite clearly from some, was to put me down.
         
         I think it's a relevant question as to how one stops that kind of thing.
         
         Don't you?
         
         My second question was in response to one written by someone else. I asked for responses to be backed by studies, i.e. coldhearted evidence, precisely so that no emotive opinions could trigger nastiness.
         
         Yet in both, people arrived in attack mode.
         
         I would sincerely like to know how one stops that kind of thing. Not raising the topic isn't sustainable when the other side is consistently raising the topic.

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      Reality Bytesposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      If you do not like the responses. Do not ask the questions.
      
      Problem solved.
      
      

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      RJ Schwartzposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Here is another of your abrasive posts...
      Tessa Schlesinger (TessSchlesinger) 8 hours ago
      
      Carrie, are you stupid or something?

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         TessSchlesingerposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         Carrie has had about 10 of her posts deleted. I asked that eventually because she off topic for all of her responses, professing her belief in Jesus Christ and how she loved to talk about religion - none of which had anything to do with my question. She also suggested that the fault was mine because if I kept losing friends because I didn't want to be talking about religion and these people couldn't stop, then the fault must be mine because I raised the topic. Again, no evidence for that, and my explanation was to the contrary. She didn't stop. She badgered. And, yes, it probably wasn't my best moment, but how much much one tolerate?

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            Brynn Thorssenposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            It's interesting that she said I professed a love of Jesus Christ, since I am not a Christian.  She stated that she often gets into arguments regarding religion and I said that I am deeply *spiritual and even though I am fascinated by religion, it is a topic that rarely comes up in discussions.  She purported that she *often gets into heated arguments regarding religion and I asserted that she must be seeking out the discord.

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            Brynn Thorssenposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            And people would be able to see all the alleged attacks and badgering had you not deleted my comments.  But it's better to hide the evidence and make things up to prove a point, I guess.
            
            Just in this thread it is quite clear you are an angry and argumentative person.  What I said in those other posts was that YOU should examine YOUR behavior if you are indeed getting into a lot of arguments over nothing with a lot of people, especially with strangers!  The way you're acting now certainly isn't proving my theory wrong, is it?

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      roobposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Is this me? You can go ahead and report me. I just thought it was unfair how your question was hypocritical and I answered in such a fashion as to also address that. Your question was about religious ppl preaching to you and how to stop them... right? I answered by saying maybe you should stop preaching your atheism and against God all over this site first and God may then stop bothering you.
      If that is a crime on hub pages, then I probably should not be on this site. Too bad because I really like this site and wanted to voice my free opinion while expressing my passion for writing. However if it is me... just say so & I promise I will never ever comment to you or about you again. Hopefully you just don't slander me.

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   paradigmsearchposted 8 years ago

   I'm curious. Which side is harassing you, the religionists or the atheists?

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      gmwilliamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      For what I see, it is the religionists who are harassing Tessa.

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         paradigmsearchposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         I wish people would get along better... Oh, well. Fact of life I guess.

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         TessSchlesingerposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         Thank you for confirming that. Nothing new.

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            paradigmsearchposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Next time it happens, give em one of these...
            
            https://i.imgflip.com/11qwgs.jpg

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               TessSchlesingerposted 8 years agoin reply to this

               Yuk. Please don't ruin my day.

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         Brynn Thorssenposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         I'm not sure how questioning someone about why they are always getting into arguments over a topic that stresses them out is harassing them.  I told her she must be egging them on, and this post cements my opinion.  She did, after all, post a question.  Are we supposed to use our magic Jesus ESP to know not to answer trick questions?  Because her questions MUST be trick questions, otherwise why would she post them and then delete most of the answers??

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            roobposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Christianity is something many people talk against but hate hearing about, at least that is my experience. I myself am a believer Brynn. BTW I am not answering OP's question here... I am commenting on Brynn Thorsten's answer like hubpages gives me the option too.

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               Brynn Thorssenposted 8 years agoin reply to this

               I think there is a reason my grandparents' generation (depression era) always said not to talk about politics or religion "in polite company."

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         Brynn Thorssenposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         Would the religionist be the Muslim, Taoist or Voodoo Priestess?  Pretty sure she's not attacking believers of Ute Spirituality.  Her venom is all pointed squarely at the Christians, a group to which I do not belong.

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            TessSchlesingerposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Unfortunately I erased all the comments that would prove otherwise. Wow!

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               Brynn Thorssenposted 8 years agoin reply to this

               This is mentally ill behavior.

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            Austinstarposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Can you not read? I SAID THAT A RELIGIONIST IS ANYONE WHO IS RELIGIOUS.
            I did not single out any religion.
            Here, let me repeat it in smaller words.
            Religionist=a person of religion - any religion on earth.

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               Rochelle Frankposted 8 years agoin reply to this

               OK , that's good. I guess it excludes any of us who might have religions from beyond earth. 

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                  RJ Schwartzposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  You're fine

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                  TessSchlesingerposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  You just made me laugh! Very good.

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               RJ Schwartzposted 8 years agoin reply to this

               Actually religionist is more commonly used to identify a religious zealot although your definition is correct also.  Those of us who do not belong to an organized religion are safe...whew....

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                  TessSchlesingerposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  Yup. The dictionary defines it this way:
                  
                  a person adhering to a religion; especially :  a religious zealot
                  
                  The Urban Dictionary defines it this way.
                  
                  ***
                  
                  An arrogant, prideful, egoistic, religious person who believes his/her religion is the only true religion. They are deeply religious in their dogma/religion to such an extent they believe that is who they are. They are often times very legalistic and think they are better than others, especially other people who aren't members of their particular religion. People who are religionists are usually the biggest hypocrites.
                  Religious people are often times religionists due to the effect their religion has had on them over the years.
                  
                  Jenny is so prideful about her religion, she is such a religionist.
                  
                  A religionist takes legalism to the extreme.
                  
                  Most religionists are so blind and arrogant they don't even realize how hypocritical they are.
                  
                  ***

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                     Brynn Thorssenposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                     So you zealously attack "religionists" for fun and then get offended when they fight back?  And I would love to know what religion I was zealously defending .... no, please.

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               Oztinatoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

               It's just that all your negative comments relate solely to a stereotype of right wing back woods fundamentalists. For example the way you focus on the Bible and never mention any other scripture or any indigenous cultures whose lives are built on their own religion

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      TessSchlesingerposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Definition of harassment:
      aggressive pressure or intimidation.
      "they face daily harassment by the police"
      synonyms:    persecution, harrying, pestering, badgering, intimidation, bother, annoyance, aggravation, irritation, pressure, pressurization, force, coercion, molestation;
      
      So let's go with badgering, pestering, intimidating as in three of them constantly attempting to undermine me, etc.
      
      That is harassment.
      
      The question asks a very polite question. It has been twisted by three people repeatedly and that is not acceptable. I have deleted at least 30 comments between them.

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         roobposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         Did we not state our opinions as answers? Are those not allowed?
         
         You think that we harassed you like people are harassed by the police?
         
         I mean the police stop ppl sometimes unjustly and the ppl can't leave. You don't have to ask those questions that will invoke a believer's response.
         
         The synonym is molestation. That is a million times worse than anything we said that might have been offensive because someone is physically harmed, we didn't ridicule or make fun of you. Never have and don't plan too. I took your stance very offensive that you can state but we can't and the censoring of everyone's comments very offensive. It was a one sided almost dictator like question page.
         
         BTW I asked you if it was me and if you say yes then I said I will leave you alone I promise. But I guess it isn't me because you won't let me know. I am just voicing my opinion here.
         
         Hubpages if she reports me and you read this, do you not see that I have a point or that we have a point. She kept preaching her view of atheism across the site and her question was how does an atheist talk to someone who believes in God without causing offense. She didn't want to hear the Christian message and wanted a way to say that. Isn't that hypocritical that she doesn't want to hear a Christian's honest answer but preaches her view against God? Then deletes the Christian based comments. I just feel like that is not what this site is about at all. How can people express. Doesn't that look bad to people who visit the site and see that the authors are deleting answers and comments they just don't like even though they are relevant and not harassing. I suggested maybe stop preaching your views and their views will stop being preached to you, when someone goes out against God, we believe that God will not take that lightly.
         
         Like I said if you really find my pure opinion and honest answer offensive and you think I am harassing you. Then say it and I will not talk to you. But if you report people without asking them or telling them they are bothering you... well that isn't fair. Because honestly I found what you did offensive, but did I report you... no because that is your opinion.

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   Brynn Thorssenposted 8 years ago

   Tess tends to post questions and then when the answers don't flow in her favor, she deletes them.  I didn't even know you could do that.  You ask questions to get a discussion going, right?  Because otherwise maybe just stick to writing hubs.

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      TessSchlesingerposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      On the contrary, the question was:
      
      How does an Atheist talk to someone who believes in God without causing offence?
      
      You and yours have consistently said I must be the problem because otherwise this would never happen because people who believe in god are so respectful that they would never persist with a topic when one has asked them not to. You have also said that as this is 'happening to me all the time" (which it is NOT),  the fault must be mine because I must be bringing up the topic of religion. You have persisted with that accusation despite the fact that you have no evidence for it.
      
      None of this answers the question. How does one politely, without offence, stop the topic of religion when one has a persistent fundamentalist insisting that one talk about it?
      
      I happen to have made a decision to disconnect from six people during the past six months. I've known all of them for a very long time and it was not an easy decision. During the 20 years I was gone from my home country, they had changed and become people I didn't recognize. I know a lot of people. It's happened with six. How dare you make the assumption that it must be my problem because I must obviously be bringing up the topic all the time? How dare you assume that I only know six people. I know thousands of people. I'm a writer. I connect with people all the time.
      
      This is harassment. it's accusing me of things I am not guilty of without evidence, and it is completely off topic.
      
      And, yes, I do delete responses that are off topic and that insult, harass, badger me, etc. Your right to respond stopped when you decided to make me the guilty party when I asked a polite question.

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         SonOfSkyrim201posted 8 years agoin reply to this

         Here's a tip: don't ask questions like
         
         "What do studies show about Atheists that Christians don't know?"

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            TessSchlesingerposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            And why not? Someone had just  asked what Christians know that Atheists don't know. I was curious.
            
            Why is it okay for Christians to continually state and ask offensive things to Christians and other religions but the moment one says something that doesn't agree with their perception of their status, it is deemed as offensive?
            
            Read the blurb I wrote with it. I asked for information. I asked for it to be backed by studies. It was not emotive at all.

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               SonOfSkyrim201posted 8 years agoin reply to this

               It's not offensive. But clearly you can't deal with a question that provokes people into starting arguments.

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               Oztinatoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

               Look you keep hammering the hate speech and insults to one particular group. It's against hub rules and commonsense and logic. Hub Rules ok?
               "Hate speech is not free speech"........Einstein. Oops I mean hate speech is not free speech,  "Einstein".

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               Oztinatoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

               You keep hammering the hate speech that's the reason.

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                  Will Apseposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  All this hammering makes it impossible to think.

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            Brynn Thorssenposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            I don't think Tess got the "Don't talk about politics or religion if you want to keep the peace" memo.

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         Brynn Thorssenposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         Why don't you post my answer?  The one I wrote about my parents' atheist friend who didn't understand how he couldn't find a like-minded atheist girl in his local church singles group?  The one that spent pretty much every weekend at church looking for a woman and then wondered why he was having trouble finding another atheist!!  Because that is how you were and currently *are acting.

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            TessSchlesingerposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            ??? Your response was completely off topic. You made assumptions that weren't valid. You're assuming for instance, that I am going to church and, therefore putting myself in a position where I am opening myself to that.
            
            Example:
            
            In Knysna, walking along the road, I was offered a ride by someone. I got in the car, and the first question was (no hello, no greeting, nothing), "Do you believe in God?"
            
            Answer: No, I'm an atheist.
            
            Did she drop the topic? No. She spent the next five minutes preaching to me about god. I got out of the car quite thankfully.
            
            Example:
            
            I meet with someone that I haven't seen for 20 years. She contacted me when she found out that I was back. Two minutes in she starts telling me that she has 'found the lord.' I explain to her gently that I've been there, done that, and am now an atheist, and could we please catch up on other things as I wasn't comfortable with the topic.
            
            Two weeks later, yes, two weeks later, she was still sending me emails everyday, starting off with trying to convince me to return to god. She became more and more offensive until I eventually said 'Goodbye.'
            
            Example.
            I'm with someone I've known for 35 years. She wants me to meet someone. She isn't a Christian whom she says I will like. We go in. I note that his entire room is strewn with biblical literature. I make very sure I don't say anything. I am introduced by my first name only.
            
            He eventually asks me a question. I explain to him that I cannot answer because I have been out of the country for 20 years. A minute or two later, he suddenly tells me and says, "OMG, you are Tessa Schlesinger. I have been looking for your everywhere. Everytime I go to London, I'v searched for you. You have a destiny. You are going to return to God. That is predestined. I know everything about you. You have a destiny - nothing you can do about it. I am never wrong. I know all about you there is to know."
            
            He went on and on and on. I have never met the guy.. I was offended about being told that I would return to god, that I had no choice in the matter, that he knew everything about me. Despite my asking to speak about something else, he wouldn't. He persisted.
            
            I turned to my friend and said "Let's go." She didn't. The guy continued to insist that I was going to return to god, that he knew everything about me.
            
            After another 15 minutes, I got up and left the room. Eventually my friend came and we went home. I was extremely upset.
            
            Did I seek this situation out by going to his home because I knew he was a Christian? Not at all.
            
            My blurb alongside my question was quite clear. You chose to make it my problem, and to make me the guilty one, throughout.
            
            As I only had 250 characters to explain you were on the wrong track, I could only deny it. You persisted, repeating over and over again, that it had to be my fault.
            
            Why would you do that?
            
            Possibly because you cannot believe that religious fundamentalists can be guilty of verbal thuggery, uninvited and unasked for comments, etc.
            
            Accusing people falsely is not endemic to polite conversation.

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               Brynn Thorssenposted 8 years agoin reply to this

               No, YOU said you were getting into discussions over religion everywhere you go and are deeply upset by this.  I suggested that maybe *you are doing something to provoke these discussions/arguments.  If these threads are indicative of your behavior in real life, then I'm guessing you yourself are causing a lot of the problems in your life (you've lost how many friends lately??).  But you are obviously incapable of identifying your own culpability and if there is anyone in need of introspection, it is YOU.

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      Austinstarposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Asking questions on HP is a valid income producing activity. And we sometimes get ideas for future hubs, collect data for future hubs, meet new hubbers, and maybe even learn something.
      But the religionists answering some of our questions, just get offended by the mere fact that we are "atheists" or agnostics and they start their nonsense arguments back and forth, mostly copying and pasting the same old tired religion arguments, or even copy/pasting bible verses that have nothing whatsoever to do with the question.
      The delete function exists on the Q&A section and can be used by anyone asking a question and receiving a contentious comment.
      If you don't want your comments to be deleted - DON'T ANSWER OR COMMENT WHERE YOU ARE NOT WELCOME TO DO SO! or DON'T LEAVE STUPID COMMENTS!
      it's just that simple, folks.
      Meanwhile, the owner of the question will continue to edit their content as they see fit.

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         Brynn Thorssenposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         Uh .... just checking but those questions are considered "public" and are open to all members of Hubpages, right?  Or am I wrong about that?  And this is so insanely absurd!  I don't even identify with any religion, and I am certainly not a Christian!  "Religionists?"  What the heckaroo is a religionist??

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            Austinstarposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Sheesh, what do you think "religionist" means? It is anyone that claims to be religious.

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               RJ Schwartzposted 8 years agoin reply to this

               Are you acting as "wingman" in this argument ?

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               Brynn Thorssenposted 8 years agoin reply to this

               You do realize that lumping all people of all religions into one big pile is absurd, right?  I'm sure the Navajo loved being lumped with the Jews.

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         Oztinatoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         The casual elimination of free speech (as opposed to hate speech) is a symptom of bigotry and is not conducive to a discussion. It is an indictment against a person to simply eliminate opinions they don't agree with. It isn't scientific or ethical. It is small mindedness.
         I for one have never banned a person from a hub. Hub rules dictate the removal of hate speech not free speech.

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         Oztinatoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         That validity becomes invalid when a person hammers hate speech. Check the hub rules. Hate speech is not free speech, "Einstein "

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   paradigmsearchposted 8 years ago

   I just posted a religion/philosophy question.

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      Jesse Drzalposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Ok cool I will be right over..

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   RJ Schwartzposted 8 years ago

   Maybe people take offense to you personally Tesskie - like this tidbit you posted on one of my hubs only today
   
   
   I'm extremely curious to know what your education level is, if you're mentally ill, if you've ever lived and worked (or even traveled) to anywhere else in the first world. (The military doesn't count.) There is something terribly, terribly wrong with the kind of people who believe the garbage you have written
   
   Don't dish it unless you can take it

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      Oztinatoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      RJ
      thanks for letting us all know the truth. Of course certain people won't accept her words as anything but "free speech" when in actual fact such words are classed as hate speech/personal attacks. This is
      often followed by feigned innocence ie moi??

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         PhoenixVposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         I think I see your point.

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      roobposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Wow that is harsh RJ. I know you don't believe in God or at least that is what it seems from your posts. However I do respect you as a person.

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         RJ Schwartzposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         I woke up this morning to find one of my best Hubs unpublished for Hate Speech - 93 hub score and 400 views in a week, plus it was at the top of the most popular hubs on the main page for a few days.   I feel like a target is painted on my back by the censorship happy Liberals on hubpages - I guess what ever they determine can be judged as hate speech, which by the way is also known as free speech.  So someone didn't like the truth being printed and they get it banned- sounds a bit ominous of another former world leader.
         Wait until my next hub - it's gonna be a doozy

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            paradigmsearchposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Was the unpublished hub the Hilary hub? I'm reading it as we speak (google cache).

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               RJ Schwartzposted 8 years agoin reply to this

               No another Hillary hub on why even Democrats hate her

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            PhoenixVposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            One of my favorite quotes from a commenter was " You have a mass of poorly educated people who are not fit to vote. "{sic ... according to them.
            
            Perhaps non liberals and Christians should take the same path as the poets and fiction writers.

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               Hxprofposted 8 years agoin reply to this

               Yeah, I dug that comment  A LOT! Fact is, the vast majority of Americans are indeed "poorly educated people who are not fit to vote" because we don't see the WISE ways of Democratic Socialism, and we support capitalism despite the fact that it's fatally flawed.  Well, capitalism itself isn't flawed, but greed has hijacked capitalism, and that greed won't simply dissolve by overthrowing capitalism.  Democratic Socialism itself is flawed because it purports to solve problems that it can't possibly solve.

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                  RJ Schwartzposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  Democratic Socialism doesn't exist - its a made up term to camouflage socialism.

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                     psycheskinnerposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                     Yep, as experienced by terrible places like Denmark and New Zealand.

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                     Hxprofposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                     Always wondered about the democratic part.  I guess stealing from those who earned the money in order to create a "more equitable society" is justified if we call it democratic?

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            Oztinatoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Sorry to break this too you but all HP moderators are atheists. The fair minded good type of atheist not the obsessive hate filled type. No names mentioned of course.
            "Hate speech is not free speech".......Einstein

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               roobposted 8 years agoin reply to this

               So none of them believe in God?

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                  paradigmsearchposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  Of course they do, His name is Google.
                  
                  Sorry, couldn't pass that one up.

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                  Oztinatoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  Check out their profiles: not one commits to any religion. Just decent atheists doing their job and taking out the trashy athiests on HP. No names of course!

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            Jodahposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            I can't wait to read it RJ

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               PhoenixVposted 8 years agoin reply to this

               What do you think about that Jodah?

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                  Jodahposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  What do I think about what, PhoenixV?

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                     PhoenixVposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                     About what happened to Rj

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                        Jodahposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                        I haven't read the hub but it sounds like a tough and unfair call. Some people seem to have the power to have others comments or hubs removed with just one complaint, others can complain until they are blue in the face and be ignored. It doesn't seem a fair playing field. We are all entitled to our opinion even if we don't agree.

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                           PhoenixVposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                           You mean like someone comes along with a broom and dustpan and cleans up for some, while others get a club? Kind of like that?

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                              Jodahposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                              yes exactly like that

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                           PhoenixVposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                           You can search RJ's activity and see the hub title and then websearch the title or link I guess and view it cached.

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            PhoenixVposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Interesting.

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      PhoenixVposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Is this a copy and past verbatim?

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   Dolores Monetposted 8 years ago

   I am sick to death of HP's landing page that is often just a long list of atheists and Christians insulting one another. It makes it look like the whole site is nothing but bickering about God. The Q & A section is a waste of time and serves no purpose but to make HP look like a bunch of nuts.

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      Oztinatoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      What's HP landing page?
      If you don't list religion as one of your interests you won't get religious hubs.
      Religion is a vitally important topic and it urgently needs to be defended from negative misinformation published by obsessed cliques.

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         PhoenixVposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         +2

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         Sherry Hewinsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         Every member of HP sees the "Hot" questions on the landing page, regardless of what topics they follow. The landing page is what you will see if you click HubPages in the header at the top left of your screen.

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            roobposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Thats what I thought

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            Oztinatoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            You mean the "home page" right?

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      PhoenixVposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      +1

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      roobposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      True I was guilty of that but had to stop just too much fighting. I just made a q&a asking the same question you just posed Dolores.

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      KarenHCposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I agree whole-heartedly!  Luckily the landing page for people not signed into Hubpages looks more professional and civilized, with a link to a few representative good quality hubs. 
      
      It's just when we're signed in and go to the landing page we are shown the links to the incredibly distasteful Q & A topics that are currently "popular".

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         Dolores Monetposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         I realize that. But if a person decides to join HP then finds all this religious stuff, they may think that the site has a religious bent. Not that I am against religion or religious discussion but I find the continuous bickering distasteful. People can become, as we see in the above discussion, quite nasty. And nasty is not attractive to most people.

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            KarenHCposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            I do agree -- "nasty is not attractive to most people".   And the ugly bickering has really changed my perception about some of the people on this site.   I'd be worried about the tone of the site in general if I were new here.

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            PhoenixVposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            You mean all the nasty anti christian stuff, right?

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            PhoenixVposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            If some people think its just a magic book with a FSM in it, why would it be a cause for contention for them anyway Dolores?  You believe in an FSM Dolores?

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   psycheskinnerposted 8 years ago

   And sometimes people are just called haters because they say hateful things.

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      Sgt Prepperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Like Kelly LeBrock once said "Don't hate me because I'm beautiful!"

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