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Do you believe that Hubs should make people get out and debate??????

  1. mandybeau profile image56
    mandybeauposted 8 years ago

    I do, I am a New Zealand Artist, and we sit around debating or having what we call chin wags, Unfortunately I have French, and Latina blood, which is not always countered by the pragmatism of my German, ancestory. So I do go to far. But last nmight I read a post from someone called Whitney, and she says I am stirring, She wants to sit down and have a nice quiet time, when she has finished for the day. It begs the question, why go anywhere near my site, if you can't handle a bit of flack....We all have to work, and we all have different ways and styles of conversing, What is your opinion?

    1. marcs profile image54
      marcsposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Great topic. I think most definitely a hub should get out and get us to debate. We all debate passionately in my family, so it's just a way of socializing for us S folk. WHen I conjure up a topic in the forum it is with the intention of stirring up passioante opinion from within. Most of my hubs are designd to provoke thought as well. I try to get people to really think about a topic and hopefully elicit response back from them so that maybe I get exposed to a point of view that is new to me.

      1. mandybeau profile image56
        mandybeauposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        I am sooooo glad to hear this marcs

    2. Laughing Mom profile image59
      Laughing Momposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      We're all here for different reasons. If yours is to read quiet, soothing stuff, I'd suggest staying away from certain topics and authors. If you don't like what you're reading, move on. If you don't want to engage in debate, then don't. But I wouldn't  try to force everyone to be exactly what you want.

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    \Brenda Scullyposted 8 years ago

    Well now here is my opinion.... If you think we should debate, we should I mean I dont want to get on the wrong side of you!!!!!!! Ther is no doubt you love to stir people up, but I think from what I have seem it is all in good spirit,,,,, I would certainly not allow anyone to upset me, if they dont like what you say, or how you say it they can just move on cant they??????

  3. Sufidreamer profile image79
    Sufidreamerposted 8 years ago

    I live in Greece, so it is impossible to avoid debate. A night out is not complete without an argument with Kostas the Goat Herder smile

  4. pauldeeds profile image
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    pauldeedsposted 8 years ago

    We certainly do not discourage debate in the HubPages forum, all we ask is that it remain constructive, and that you follow these simple rules.

    Making Personal Attacks: debate and disagreements on points of substance are all right, but personal attacks, petty bickering, and thread hijacking will be dealt with swiftly.

    Respect: Please maintain respect for other Hubbers, even if you don’t necessarily agree with them.

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      Leta Sposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Paul--I don't mean to be at all controversial in a bad way, but have you guys viewed a certain suicide attempt post I believe there may have been complaints about?

      1. pauldeeds profile image
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        pauldeedsposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        I believe that thread has been closed.

        We have a pretty low tolerance for spam and it's fairly easy to deal with, but unraveling what is happening with the various cliques and disputes in the forums is difficult, and not very rewarding.

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          Leta Sposted 8 years ago in reply to this

          I think you have the thanks of many here.  And yes, I don't envy you guys with that.

    2. mandybeau profile image56
      mandybeauposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Firstly Brenda you read me well....
      I have written an apology to the offended Party via email I am a fan of hers. I am also a fan of yours, you have disagreed with me in the past, but you have not crawled off and complained. I do not believe it was the person that I e mailed that, complained otherwise I would probably not have apologised. I just didn't think she was joking. So all done and dusted.
      Now for you Hub Pages.
      Paul Deeds.
      Freedom of Speech exists in this Country, and we say as we please, without fear of repression.... I have not made as bad a personal attack on anyone as some that have been made on me. Those people I just figure have no sense of Humour, and are put firmly in the Tosser basket. Many of my fans disagree with me, I come from a country that values its freedom, and I will not be subjected to threats, any more than anything else. Also I was sticking up for mango Girl as everyone was seeming to be picking on her, although she is tough enough to fight her own Battles she is from Latvia. So once again another set of values other than American. DONT BE SO RASCIST There are laws against this (Oh, and  I know them all) and they apply to you.

      1. Misha profile image73
        Mishaposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        Mandy, it is not funny anymore smile

        1. mandybeau profile image56
          mandybeauposted 8 years ago in reply to this

          Misha the voice of sanity, HIYA

      2. pauldeeds profile image
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        pauldeedsposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        Huh? I think maybe you've been out drinking with Sufi and Kostas the Goatherder.  I am the law around here.

        1. mandybeau profile image56
          mandybeauposted 8 years ago in reply to this

          I was once told I look like I came from a long line of Fish and Chip Shop Dealers, and asked why, feeling quite insulted. apparently I look Greek, so yeah I guess maybe I'm n ot what I think I am I love Ouzo its my fav.

          1. Sufidreamer profile image79
            Sufidreamerposted 8 years ago in reply to this

            You are loud, obnoxious and opinionated, so there is a strong chance that you have Greek ancestry. Come and meet Kostas the Goat Herder anytime! big_smile

            Are you sure that you are not a Spartan woman? They have a fierce reputation.

            1. mandybeau profile image56
              mandybeauposted 8 years ago in reply to this

              I played one of those in a School play I know little about Greece except for M y Cypriot friends renditions of it, and he hated turks but loved Greeks. Loved Athens. Yeah people took him for my brother except I haven't the armpit hair or the monoeyebrow.lol.

              1. Sufidreamer profile image79
                Sufidreamerposted 8 years ago in reply to this

                lol

                Greek women are a little more stylish, now - they like lots of 'bling' and expensive designer stuff.

      3. Maddie Ruud profile image79
        Maddie Ruudposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        mandybeau:

        Freedom of speech is not the issue here.  You are free to exercise your right to freedom of speech, but you are not free to do so anywhere you please.  Different forums and venues have different spoken and unspoken rules about what is appropriate.  You cannot stand up in a courtroom during a trial and say whatever you please without being held in contempt and escorted out.  You cannot shout at a store clerk and expect to be served.  Similarly, you cannot post anything you want on any website you want.  You have to abide by the terms of the site.  You agreed to our terms of use when you signed up for HubPages, and those include rules regarding personal attacks.

        If you feel you have been the victim of personal attacks yourself, you should contact a staff member to take appropriate action.

        1. mandybeau profile image56
          mandybeauposted 8 years ago in reply to this

          Actually I have stood up in a Courtroom and won an appeal for a Disabled person doing exactly that, I think that you are missing the point, I too have been a victim of cyberbullying lol.and no way would I ever nark on anyone that said anything about me....... Not my style Love. So now thats over you can catch up with your knitting.

          1. Maddie Ruud profile image79
            Maddie Ruudposted 8 years ago in reply to this

            Actually, I'm doing more needlework these days.  Gotta get it done while I'm young and my eyes are good.  Knitting I can do by feel.

            1. frogdropping profile image84
              frogdroppingposted 8 years ago in reply to this

              Now Maddie - I for one am impressed. I can't knit for toffee. I can focus both eyes on what I'm doing and still end up with more holes in it than a politicians' speech.

              And you do it by feel ... *awed*

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    Leta Sposted 8 years ago

    Life would be pretty dull for me without serious discussion--that in life and in work, since I have worked for/with the media a lot.

    Sufi, you must introduce us to this Kostas the Goat Herder you keep talking about.  wink  He must be a heck of a debater.  :)lol

    1. Sufidreamer profile image79
      Sufidreamerposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      lol - Nope - he drinks too much Ouzo and shouts a lot. On a slightly more serious note, Greeks are taught how to debate properly, from a very young age - it makes life interesting. There is a whole elaborate etiquette behind debating, and a lot more to it than Greek men shouting and waving their arms about. smile

      PS - Mr Deeds said no thread hijacking. Does that mean that we are not allowed to have long discussions about alcohol?

      1. Misha profile image73
        Mishaposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        I think Mr Deeds won't object to those - unless we unknowingly start bashing his favorite drink smile

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        Leta Sposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        Well, they have all those ancient philosophers to contend with, who--I believe--created the whole idea behind a 'forum.'  wink

        1. Sufidreamer profile image79
          Sufidreamerposted 8 years ago in reply to this

          'Tis true - they see debating as part of their heritage, almost a sport. There is much less of a 'Jock' culture here - the brainy kid who can debate is given a lot of respect. wink

          Misha: What drink is that? I can see Mr Deeds settling down with a glass of Californian Red smile

          Frogdropping: The same here - buying a carton of milk leads to the most intense political debates.

          1. Misha profile image73
            Mishaposted 8 years ago in reply to this

            I wish I knew Sufi smile

  6. frogdropping profile image84
    frogdroppingposted 8 years ago

    Seriously - I don't know why folk get so het up. The amount of times individuals' get their knickers in a knot ... the huffing and puffing is the theme ATM. Maybe burn out from super-hubbing?

    Or hormones ... neutral

    Folks - it's all just words. Sticks and stones and all that smile Pinches of salt are pretty handy too.

    Sufi? Your goat-herding-dagnabit guy? He's gotta be half-portuguese. They are all shouty and loud ... super-passionate about everything. Take earlier for eg - I only asked for a glass of milk.

    It was the most political cup of moo juice I've ever drunk big_smile

    1. mandybeau profile image56
      mandybeauposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Frogdropping Shall I pick on Mr deeds, hahahah

  7. mandybeau profile image56
    mandybeauposted 8 years ago

    I am off to work now, so feel free to call me a attention Whore or anything else Hubpages are cool with that it seems.... I have the right of Complaint, but sorry folks not my style.
    BRING IT ON Now thats me...........

    1. Sufidreamer profile image79
      Sufidreamerposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Enjoy your day at work, Miss AttentionWhore  http://www.bbc.co.uk/606/2/refresh/images/smileys/f_whistle.gif http://www.bbc.co.uk/606/2/refresh/images/smileys/f_devil.gif big_smile

  8. cindyvine profile image89
    cindyvineposted 8 years ago

    I think there is too much slanging people off in the forums and that's not necessary to have fun.  You can have fun without putting people down all the time and mocking them.

    1. Sufidreamer profile image79
      Sufidreamerposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Too right - I don't actually care what people call me, but I hate the poor quality of debate. I can't be arsed to post on the politics forum now - there is too much name-calling and ad hominem. Extremist debates can only ever go one way sad

  9. Lisa HW profile image81
    Lisa HWposted 8 years ago

    mandybeau, I love debate; although my style of "debating" is to aim to keep the "heat" out of it, and make it more a matter of "sparring with polite words".  In other words, I'm no fun.

    That's why I get a giant kick out of seeing one of your new posts.   smile  Your approach is so different from mine, I can't imagine how on Earth you think up the stuff you think up you post.   smile  I miss the artsy, two-birds avatar.  They more suited you, I thought.  Some of the posts that are along the lines of "so-and-so is a b.." and "what do you think of so-and-so", though, kind of make a lot of people (including me) cringe (and not in a "good way").  I think you could raise your issues/complaints about things that happen on here without giving specific names - and I'm guessing you would still make your points, and make the posts interesting or funny.

    I agree with you about reporting people, though.  Most people don't take things all that seriously, and most can "give as good as they can take".  Still, if everyone starts jumping in to "give" and "take" the whole forum would get way too ugly.  If an "attacked" person doesn't "fight back" the forum kind of looks like a lynching.  I'm fine with the "no-personal-attacks" policy.  People can be interesting, angry, outrageous, funny, etc.; without singling out others by name.  Still, I don't think people ought to be bothering HubPages adm. with something someone said about them, as individuals, here.  "Hate speech" against any group is one thing, but I'd think people on here would have outgrown the "so-and-so-called-me-a-poo-poo-head" behavior.

  10. Eaglekiwi profile image73
    Eaglekiwiposted 8 years ago

    Debate is healthy
    Though I never want to put anyone down to make my point.
    To tell you truth , I left my opinon as a comment once and the guy flipped, calling me names etc. His immature attitude made me want to reach through the screen an slap him silly ,but I sighed, then decided, oh please please throw the topic into the Forum so we can all be on an even playing field.
    Perhaps I will.
    Then again often ( just my opinion) the original question oftens spins ,jack-knifes and doesnt achieve too much except maybe allow space to vent.
    Great idea ,just dont call me names for having a different opinion to you ya hurt my feelers lol

    1. mandybeau profile image56
      mandybeauposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Look we must be different from the rest of the World I have had so many tossers tell me off I want to not just hit the screen but biff it out the window. I do it for fun....
      New Zealanders accept devilment, whereas the rest of the World is way too stressed. Not all of Course.....

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    MangoGirlposted 8 years ago

    lol where have you been?

    1. mandybeau profile image56
      mandybeauposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Work They have given me grief over the Hub I wrote, it got cut about midnight. I told them they didn't understand different cultures, and not to be bloody rascist.

  12. Eaglekiwi profile image73
    Eaglekiwiposted 8 years ago

    Only God knows ,probably on the wrong side of town lol

    1. mandybeau profile image56
      mandybeauposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      lol u naughty kiwi... be nice I mite cry lol hahahahahahaah

  13. cashmere profile image79
    cashmereposted 8 years ago

    I guess a controversial hub should cause debate, others that educate should not.

    1. mandybeau profile image56
      mandybeauposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Thank goodness at last someone gets what I have been trying to do... Lively banter in a controversial Forum, and educate in the Knowledge Hubs....;. I just don't understand why someone would moan and moan about a Forum (One of mine ) and then go and keep looking in it... If I don't want to see something I don't go there. Its simple. Ps all My Hubs are just for a laugh... I work hard and enjoy a bit of a laugh at the end of the Day... What I say is not necessarily meant to offend.... But it does... Glad you get what I am talking about.
      I was complained about last night, despite hardly being in my Forum, leaving others to argue it out. I think they all enjoyed the process. End result my Forum gets closed it wasn't even that contentious, just people letting of steam. They forget we all come from different Cultures, and we all behave differentally because of this.  Cheers Cashmere, been enjoying your Hubs.

  14. Pete Maida profile image61
    Pete Maidaposted 8 years ago

    I enjoy good banter on an issue.  We are all pretty set in our ways and we're not likely to change our minds, but it is good to hear the reasoning and to get our your own opinion.  I do not like it when it gets personal.  I think some people do that to liven up a debate but I don't think it is necessary.  If someone gets personal with me; that will end my posting on an issue.

 
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