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Ill will and Spite Towards People in the Spotlight - WHY is this ok?!?

  1. girly_girl09 profile image78
    girly_girl09posted 7 years ago

    There have been a few threads going on that are harping on the personal family issues of some politicians, namely Sarah Palin.

    Yes, these individuals are heavily exposed because they chose to run for office, but why the downright ill will towards the people themselves or even their husband or wife?

    It's one thing to despise their policies, but them personally?

    If someone does something at your work place that you really don't like, do you make fun of them and say cruel things about their family? No, absolutely not. You don't like what they've done, whether it's their management skills or their policies, but you don't make jokes about their kids and what not.

    I am constantly amazed at the hatred and ill will towards people in the spotlight. If you know and have met the person, it's one thing - but 99.9% of people criticizing only base it upon things the media says or portrays.

    My question: why is ok to be so cruel to people just because they're in the spotlight? I've never understood that. It's one of the reasons why I retired from politics at the age of 22. It is so freaking frustrating to listen to what other says about the people you work for, are loyal to and believe in. The people you know and have conversed with, the people who's family you've met.

    Anyways, I'm not trying to lecture anyone or change anyone's opinion (I am only 22 and still have a lot of learning to do, afterall! wink I just needed to vent. Please just remember that sometimes there are two sides to every story. Always.

    I don't care if I lose fans with this post, I needed to say what's been brewing for a while.


    It's fine to judge and hate people's policies, but to make fun of and criticize how they run their families, even criticize their children and spouse is a completely different story. You've never met them or worked with them, how can you judge someone by the VERY warped information the media gives you. Furthermore, is it fair to judge based off of incorrect information? I'm glad that people don't judge me this way.

    The Palin kids are VERY lucky to have parents like Todd & Sarah.

    And I'm not just making that statement because of pictures I've seen or clips I've watched.

    1. tksensei profile image58
      tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      That was excellent. Thanks for sharing your reasonable point of view. Although, I'm afraid it will fall on a lot of deaf ears around here.

    2. nyliram profile image61
      nyliramposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      It is what some people do, usually, if they criticise someone that is wealthy it is because, they are not, if they criticise someone that is powerful it is that they are not.
      "It is I believe what is called "Tall Poppy syndrome"

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    pgrundyposted 7 years ago

    I think people might be feel worse for Sarah Palin if she hadn't shown so much ill will and spite herself during the campaign. I saw McCain rallies where she was speaking and people were screaming "Kill him!" about Obama and she just smiled--she said nothing to stop that.

    I think she's vile. I don't mind saying I think she's vile. It frightens me that some people look at her and see a role model. She's Lady MacBeth, but not as smart and way, way meaner.

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      urimiddenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Not only do I realize that you need to do alot of research on just what is going on in the political scene pgrundy, I also personally think you need to look outside of your own personal agenda and angst.

      The presidential election campaign of 2008 was riddled with controversy and upheaval that far too many of the average Americans know absolutely nothing about. If you knew the various murders and espionage which paralleled the audacious lies and out right propaganda that allowed Obama to get elected, you may think differently about some idiot screaming "kill im" at a political event where merely the fact that nobody told the wacko to "shut the hell up" justifies indictment in your mind. Just what were they supposed to do? The guy was not breaking any law. Would you rather they made a scene? OBVIOUSLY. But why? Of course, to placate your own personal angst. You seem to have fallen for much of the media hype.

      Fortunately for all of us, Mrs. Palin is much more tolerant than you appear to be. She was extremely demure and respectful throughout all of the nefarious canards employed by the Obama administration...as I wathced that man display an erection for the female media envoys and staff...you have no idea. As well, the double standard which placed Obama's family "off-limits" is still to this day attacking Palins family.

      I refuse to spend any more effort on the likes of you!!!

      1. girly_girl09 profile image78
        girly_girl09posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Urimadden - I understand most of what you're saying in your post, but it also doesn't help to get personal, as well.




        The fact of the matter is that there a lot of things that go on that people have no idea about. Things that will never come out for one reason or another.

        I honestly can't blame people for being so disenchanted with our political system. For me, being on the inside of it was frustrating, and I understand how an average voter could be so disenchanted.

        I loved what I got to do, who I got to meet, where I got to travel to and what not, but it gave me an insider's view that really proves "There is ALWAYS two sides to every story."

        Does Fox News accurately portray both sides? No.
        Does CNN or MSNBC? No.

        In closing, I have learned that there are just some things that you can never argue and never change people's opinion on. So, I'm not going to take the bait and continue on here. wink

        I'm not arguing politics, I'm arguing making judgments of someone's character without ever meeting them.

        1. darkside profile image82
          darksideposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          But we're all expected to do that right?

          The majority of the population don't get to meet political candidates but are expected to make a decision (which in itself is judgment) about whether or not we want to see that person representing us.

          Those politicians use the media to convey their message. So if they come off looking like a fool or things get dug up that they'd rather remain buried, then it's part of the process.

          In Australia voting is compulsory. If I don't vote, I get fined. Now if I didn't vote and I get the fine am I able to respond and say "well, I really didn't want to make a judgment. How am I supposed to vote for someone if I don't know them, or I've never met them?" smile

          1. girly_girl09 profile image78
            girly_girl09posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Are you serious?!? I never was aware of this. I hope the U.S. doesn't pick up this system.

            You can make a judgment on how they present the issues. If you don't like the issues, don't vote for that person. Voters should vote on the issues. Now obviously, I know this doesn't happen lol...but it just gets tiring for me time after time to hear people making cracks about peoples spouses and kids and personal character when they've never met them.

            For example I, personally support the 2nd Ammendment, the right to bear arms. Does that make me an evil, vile person? Now keep in mind that I love puppies and kittens and getting my nails done. wink

            If you call me evil just because I support the 2nd ammendment and don't hate guns, it doesn't make me a bad person. I'm actually quite nice, I promise! lol big_smile

            1. livewithrichard profile image84
              livewithrichardposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              That's just it, we can't just vote on the issue we have to make judgments based on the character of the person presenting the issues.  It's not a perfect system and there never will be.  The human construct is part of the equation.

              1. Sufidreamer profile image82
                Sufidreamerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Agreed - Politicians have been fair game for satire and abuse since the time of the Ancient Greeks. If they don't like it, nobody forces them to become one

            2. darkside profile image82
              darksideposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I doubt they ever will. But why the surprise? Do you think it's a bad system? Everyone votes, everyone has a say, no excuses.


              People can get up and talk about issues and pay lip service, and they might be talking the talk but are they walking the walk?

              That's what the media is for. Interviews and not asking easy questions. And if they need to dig up some dirt, then so be it. The people need to know the truth. It's not a new thing by any means, so people shouldn't be surprised that when the spotlight lands on them that it doesn't also expose the flaws.

          2. livewithrichard profile image84
            livewithrichardposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Well said Darkside.  Just to add, I think that if you choose to be a politician, especially on the national scale, you have to be "thick skinned."  This goes for all celebrities too.  Don't ask for the public to support you and then get pissy when we choose not to.

            As far as making judgements on peoples character, we do that everyday.  But I can see GirlyGirls point on making personal attacks towards their families who probably did not have a choice at being put in the public eye.  Those kinds of attacks are deplorable.

        2. darkside profile image82
          darksideposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          There actually isn't. There are far more than two sides to every story. There are at least three.

        3. countrywomen profile image59
          countrywomenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Forget about us. Don't the politicians do that to each other. I guess if one is a public personality (like singers/actors/politicians and so on) then they have to be prepared for the public scrutiny since they are now also "brands"(its like a package deal one has to take the good with the bad). I agree kids should be off limits but then how does it appear preaching to the electorate "values" which doesn't go down well even within there own families. People expect them to "walk the talk". Just my two cents. smile

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      Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Agreed.  (And BTW, Pam, U. was once banned for reasons I'm not going to discuss here...)

      And, I'm not just reacting to what I saw as a casual observer in the media, either.  I've always been way political--since like, high school, really.  However--I felt the outcome of this particular presidential race were SO important, I bordered on overly-political junkie (um, lol, obvious?).  So that I did extensive research on Palin, reading several blogs a day, following almost all coverage.  She's vile (and, ahem, I don't mean that in a funny way).  She's vile.

      She's the nasty mean cheerleader witch that had everyone fooled on a surface level while she wheeled and dealed, stabbing anyone who she didn't like in the back (witness the attack on the former brother-in-law. The Palin women are every man's worst case scenario divorce nightmare--vindictive and out to kill). There are soooo many Palingates I don't even want to start.  But the main thing is that she was vastly, horribly, embarrassingly unqualified--and to have an ego to accept the position in running that she did--it almost made me do a turn-about and feel deeply sorry for her (which I sometimes do for innately, unfathomably dumb people).  That is, if she were not so very, very dangerous to our freedoms and everything this country stands for.

      1. tksensei profile image58
        tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Oh brother...

        Maybe you need to read the very first post of this thread again...

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          Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Maybe you do.  OR, write some more about squirrels, lol, wink

          I'd point out I've no issue with girly-girl.  She's intelligent, articulate, decent--and it is obvious.  I've nothing but respect for a person like this, regardless of views.  BTW, one of my 'heroes,' if I have such a thing, is Andrew Sullivan.  Conservative.  I've also been known to date cute male conservatives. wink

          So, sorry, TK.  The issues you obviously have with people is YOUR problem.

  3. girly_girl09 profile image78
    girly_girl09posted 7 years ago

    I'm sorry you think she's vile, but I guess I don't blame you based upon how the media portrays her.

    As for the "Kill Him" at a rally, it is near impossible for the speaker to hear what the crowd is saying based upon the acoustics.

    I've heard candidates say "What were they saying?!?" after the get off the stage. Of course the media loved to play that up! I think that's a very extreme circumstance. One that I personally know doesn't reflect her true character.

    1. Mark Knowles profile image60
      Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Well, I watched her say that the war in Iraq is god's war. That and the pregnant teenager were enough to persuade me she is a self serving politician with the morals of toad. As for the IQ, well.........

      But then I think all politicians are pond scum. Pretty pond scum is not more appealing than ugly pond scum. Pity she is so dumb.

      What you need to see is - she was such a bad choice, that I am inclined to think it was intentional and what we have now is 4 years of waiting for the change that will never come......

      1. girly_girl09 profile image78
        girly_girl09posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I'm not saying she was the best choice for VP, I'm not even saying she's a good politician. I'm limited as to what I can say about her selection, but I'm not going to argue much about it.

        I'm saying that it shocks me that people make personal judgments without even knowing a person. This applies to anyone in the spotlight.

        As for all politicians being pond scum, that's your opinion and one that I certainly can't blame you for. I've worked with several high profile ones so I know that it isn't true that "all politicians are scum", but sure there are some that ruin it for the others.

        Politician is a dirty word, I've never liked it and rarely use it. smile

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    pgrundyposted 7 years ago

    "...as I wathced that man display an erection for the female media envoys and staff...you have no idea."

    Say WHAT????? Are you saying that President Obama showed his female staff his erection and you are somehow privy to this information even though no one else on earth knows about it? Are you completely insane?

    You attack my character and then in your next breath you start drooling on your own shirt and foaming at the mouth.

    Kind of weakens your argument.

  5. Mighty Mom profile image90
    Mighty Momposted 7 years ago

    The entire Palin family became "fair game" the minute they stepped into the limelight with Sarah. She is the one who paraded them all out for the world (including the media and comedians) to see. She can't now say, "Don't talk about my family." It's too late.
    But speaking of fair game -- I actually feel sorrier for the families of the animals Sarah et al choose to hunt for sport.

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      pgrundyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Exactly. The way a person behaves in the public eye matters. If Palin can't manage media exposure without taking insult to this or that every couple of days, she should get out of politics. Go start a talk show or something.

      She's all about, "I'm one tough lady," but she's constantly in front of cameras complaining about how unfair the mean old media is and how people are saying bad things about her and blah blah blah. That kind of whiny-ass girl gossip wouldn't even fly at my crappy cubicle job--they'd be like, Oh God Pam, suck it up, will you?

      It's like she thinks she's in junior high school, not national politics.

    2. girly_girl09 profile image78
      girly_girl09posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Wow. I don't think you'd say that with her kids in the room.


      Anyways, I'm going to stop writing about this because it's too personal for me. I encountered their family many times on the campaign trail last year. They're not evil people. I would love to have had parents like Sarah and Todd growing up.

      Everyone has their own opinion, I can't change anything. I'm aware of that. I have mine, you have yours and that is what makes the world go round. smile

      I just wish that people could be more respectful, that's all. Debates can be fun and educational experiences when personal attacks aren't being made.

  6. LondonGirl profile image92
    LondonGirlposted 7 years ago

    Sarah Palin is a very poor example, because she chose to bring her children and daughter's boyfriend and stick them on a stage.

    She put them there, no-one else.

    It's also highly relevant when someone makes a big deal about "just say no" sex education and winds up with a gym-slip pregnant daughter.

    I don't know much about either Gordon Brown's children (he's Prime Minister) or David Cameron's children (leader of the Opposition) because they aren't dragged out at party conferences. In fact, about the only thing I do know is that each had his eldest son die from a genetic illness, GB's shortly after birth, and DC's recently, aged 7 or 8 years old.

  7. livewithrichard profile image84
    livewithrichardposted 7 years ago

    I think GirlyGirl, that having the personal connection to the Palins as you had, you were insightful to their behind the scenes character. And, I think you're conflict is coming from that knowlede compared to the national image the rest of us were given. Unfortunately, we cannot contrast the two.

    The statement that you made about losing fans shoudn't concern you.  I think you're a passionate writer and goal oriented and most of your fans will see the same.

    1. girly_girl09 profile image78
      girly_girl09posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Thanks, I understand why people get frustrated with their options for leadership. The media is absolutely unbelieveable with the spinning (and both sides do it!) and this really hurts the voter's ability to choose. If anything, the voters should be outraged at the type of coverage that is available. I know I am!

      The solution? I hate to say it, but I have no idea. I don't think there is a solution, really. It's going to continue to get dirtier and dirtier as time goes on. Last year was really the first presidential election that started getting personal with candidate's family members (the v.p. candidate, at that!). What's to come in years ahead is truly disheartening.

      1. LondonGirl profile image92
        LondonGirlposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Surely she shouldn't have wheeled the family out in the first place?

        1. tksensei profile image58
          tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Does that apply to everyone? Should Obama be hiding his wife and children?

          1. LondonGirl profile image92
            LondonGirlposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Not hiding, but personally I think it ill-advised to make them centre-stage.

            1. girly_girl09 profile image78
              girly_girl09posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I've never liked kids and campaigns, either. My friend managed a campaign for a congressional seat last year and I stopped by one of the events to catch up with him afterwards. I had to scold him after I heard him telling the candidate's wife to 'parade the kids in the background while he speaks'. Come on! If I had children, I wouldn't want my kids exposed like that. The wife, was not at all happy, either!

              1. livewithrichard profile image84
                livewithrichardposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                I don't think the problem comes from parading the family around. The problem comes when you parade the family to personify family values that are not in keeping with the politician's stance on those values.

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                  Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Agreed.

  8. Lisa HW profile image82
    Lisa HWposted 7 years ago

    I don't think most people think being cruel is ok, but saying one isn't impressed or doesn't think much of someone isn't being cruel.  Neither is saying why one isn't impressed or doesn't think much of someone.

    It's true that people in the public eye have people make up stuff about them, lie, and all that.  Most people (if they knew the stuff is lies) would not think that's ok.

    Who someone wants in public office, though, usually depends on whether voters think someone is worthy of holding that office.  A lot of people know that any time someone new gets elected there will be "on-the-job training".  They often worry more about who they think is worthy of being a position of trust and being given that on-the-job training.  Things wouldn't be in the mess they're in if the public were better able to detect who is "worthy" (character-wise, intelligence-wise, common-sense-wise).  Voters who are looking for what's in for them (and, of course, the corrupt) aren't always as picky about a candidate's character, intelligence, and level of common sense.  Voters who are interested in what they believe is best for the country in general are.

    Who someone is usually shows in what they do, what they say, what choices they've made for their family, etc. etc.  Nobody is going to be liked by everyone, and if a lot of people don't like you they are going to say why they don't think you should be in office.  It's part of the public discourse, and politicians (and other public figures) know it.  Most normal people don't wish ill on someone like Sarah Palin or her family.  Most don't think she's "evil".  They just don't want her elected to high office.  Because trying to judge someone's character, common sense, intelligence, and judgement are part of trying to determine whether they're worthy of the office, it gets nasty.

  9. girly_girl09 profile image78
    girly_girl09posted 7 years ago

    It's an American tradition for candidate's families to be out there at campaign rallies and what not. Maybe that will start to change, maybe that's the answer.

    It's true, Obama did the same thing, but no backlash. I'm glad that those girls don't have to go through what the Palin kids did.


    I hope their privacy remains constant throughout the next 4 or 8 years.

    Poor kids.

    1. LondonGirl profile image92
      LondonGirlposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Kids, plural? The only thing I've seen about the others is that one has Down's Syndrome, and they all have ludicrous names.

      The pregnant schoolgirl is relevant, politically, when her mother thinks "abstain from sex" education is the way to go.

      1. girly_girl09 profile image78
        girly_girl09posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I can assure you that a campaign affects the entire family. Most candidates have NO clue what it will do. I've seen it time and time again.

        Again, I agree that kids and politics don't go well together. It's an American tradition and maybe it will eventually stop.

        The thing is, political campaigns are typically run by men, young men who have no families and no experience with kids! My post above, where my friend wanted to 'parade kids around', is evident of the fact that most guys have no clue about kids. Yes, it is ultimately up to the candidate, but I can assure you that there is tons of pressure. It's unfortunate.

        1. tksensei profile image58
          tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Personally, I'd like to see them leave the spouse at home as well. Anyone not actually running for office, stay home and carry on as normal a life as possible. And if the media then insists on bothering them, repeated, gratuitous tazering should follow.

  10. LondonGirl profile image92
    LondonGirlposted 7 years ago

    The Blairs did parade their children around more than is usual for the UK. And there were more media stories about them - one getting drunk after his exams, that kind of thing.

    Before and after Blair, children aren't waved around, and certainly not at party political conferences.

  11. tksensei profile image58
    tksenseiposted 7 years ago

    We see here people who say they respect and understand what girly_girl is trying to say, but in the next breath they are making fun of people's names and offering such deep political analysis as "she's an evil cheerleader" about people they've never met and know only through how they are portrayed in the 'media.' (oh, and "I've been really interested in politics since, like, high school, really" is NOT a qualification for anything).


    As I predicted, the good and reasonable point of this thread has fallen on deaf ears. Just adding 'yeah, yeah girl, we like YOU' doesn't mitigate the same old superficial slander.

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      Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      You really need to be more tolerant of other people's views, TK.  And I detect a hint of ageism here, too.  tsk tsk

      I'd also point out that Andrew Sullivan, conservative, published in the Atlantic, 'said the names,' and denoted the resemblance to an 'evil cheerleader.'  lol  I wouldn't mind being editor of The Atlantic.

  12. LondonGirl profile image92
    LondonGirlposted 7 years ago

    Hey, I said the names stuff (and they are ludicrous names) but none of the rest of it!

    1. tksensei profile image58
      tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Who the hell are you to decide what someone should name their kids?

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        Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Who the hell are you to decide what London Girl should say?  You are reverting to type.

        1. tksensei profile image58
          tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          How about you? Do you check your neighbor's names and decide which ones are 'correct' and which are 'ludicrous'?

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            Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Naw.  Actually, my sisters' kids names are ludicrous, and closer at hand.  Graff is OK.  Grange borders on seriously ludicrous.  Seriously.  wink

            You know you do have a problem, don't you?  London Girl is very civil...

            1. tksensei profile image58
              tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Really? Wow, thank you for letting me know. I know that you have been, like, interested in stuff since, like, high school and stuff, and your teachers in grade school liked your writing, and you have some degrees and, like, stuff, so your clinical analysis, like, totally means, like, a lot to me.

              And stuff.

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                Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Let's face it, TK.  I already know you make about $9/$10 per hour as a SAT/ACT instructor and have approximately a B.A. in Bus. Admin. at about a C/D student level. 

                Your level of discourse is fit for a sandbox.  It consists of short evil little questions directed at attacking ANYONE for anything and full-on personal attacks.  You have simultaneously attacked me for being too educated, too elitist, too interested in researching proper debating structure and logic...and now, by virtue of the use of one word you deem 'valley speak,' I take it, are attacking me for the opposite thing.  You have attacked Darkside, Mark Knowles, Golden Toad, and now London Girl...and probably a number of other people I am unaware of.

                I also know by this point, you are extremely unattractive (as you called someone else earlier this week) or upset with your marriage--or something else, a personal problem--that you would need to resort to these attacks on the internet. 

                Let me make this clear.  I do not find this amusing.  I do not find it cute.  If you persist in this 'bullying,' expect what you received last night--where a number of people told you you have a problem--or expect to be reported.  You are adding NOTHING of value here--unlike those interested in true debate of issues, politics, having fun, or any of a number of other ways people add value through their posts.

                I expect you not to follow me or answer any other post that I make.  I am not interested in further communication with you at any level.  I hope that is understood.  I'd recommend you seek help.

                Find another girl to follow around and abuse verbally.

                1. tksensei profile image58
                  tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  LOL!!! Too funny!

                  You are as entertaining as you are predictable. If you feel abused you are taking the whole 'forum' thing waaaaaay too seriously. Even if you are as sensitive (self absorbed) as you seem, you need to maintain a little perspective. Take a deep breath, you'll get over it.

                  As for your cute attempts at personal attack - very funny stuff.

      2. nyliram profile image61
        nyliramposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I think she said that she thought them to be luidicrous,(names) which mean she would personally not obviously name, children with such names. She not say that she wants to decide to name them. You have got confused I think, This Forum has given me a headache I am going for the painkiller.

      3. LondonGirl profile image92
        LondonGirlposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        The only children I have a right to name are my own.

        I reserve the right to point out that names such as "Trig", "Trip" and "Bristol" are ridiculous.

        1. tksensei profile image58
          tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I reserve the right to point out that your transparently biased attitude is ridiculous.

          1. darkside profile image82
            darksideposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I reserve the right to point out that calling a person ridiculous because they say something else is ridiculous is absolutely ridiculous.

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          pgrundyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I know this will open a can of worms, but it's a redneck thing. Technically the U.S. is a classless society but we all know that's a big lie. Palin is so low class. She reminds me of some of the girls I grew up with (I'm kinda low class myself) who would fight each other after school, like, you know, physical fights with hair pulling and razors so forth. Any disrespect or perceived disrespect must be countered with decimation of one's perceived opponent.

          The woman's hoopie heritage shows every time she opens her mouth. Or names a kid.

          1. tksensei profile image58
            tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            "kinda" nothing. Your comments are very low class, and it has nothing to do with economic level.

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              pgrundyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              '

              If that's true then why did you just call my comments low class?

              You contradicted yourself in a single sentence.

              1. tksensei profile image58
                tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                You're thinking of 'low class' in the wrong way.

  13. moposan profile image60
    moposanposted 7 years ago

    its all just bloody attention distracting entertainment for u to discuss.

  14. SweetiePie profile image84
    SweetiePieposted 7 years ago

    Comedians have been making pot shots at politicians and other celebrities since the beginning of history.  Letterman has pointed out his joke was in poor taste, so I am not sure why people are putting so much stock on it.  If I had a penny for every racial slur, misogynistic comment, and every other irreverent comment I have heard comedians make I would be a millionaire by now.  I understand Palin's supporters are very distressed about what Letterman said, but would you feel this way if he said it about Biden or Obama's family.  I am just curious.  After all Palin did go on Saturday Night Life, which is notorious for their pot shots at most celebrities, but she did not get upset about the jokes made towards her and others there. If you find comedians offensive just do not listen to their shows, but I truly believe this Letterman thing has been blown way out of proportion.

    1. girly_girl09 profile image78
      girly_girl09posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      If they were making derogatory comments about Obama's and Biden's kids, I'd be upset too. Personal attacks on Obama and Biden would be equally upsetting. There is no need for it.

      For me, it's not even Letterman, it's the average American public. We've all been conditioned that it's ok to make fun of and disrespect people in the spotlight. It's like 3rd grade all over again or something. I guess it's just human nature. smile

      1. tksensei profile image58
        tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Agreed.

      2. SweetiePie profile image84
        SweetiePieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Personally I do not condone making fun of others, but the best way to avoid it is to just ignore them.  Of course I had a conservative hubber leave an irrate comment on my hub a few hours ago, just I just felt like expressing my opinion smile.

        1. girly_girl09 profile image78
          girly_girl09posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I understand. I'm getting tired of disrespectful, irate comments by both sides. What does it accomplish?

          By being disrespectful to someone you are only making them that more satisfied. If someone is rude to me, I'm going to become even more set in my ways...why don't people get this?!? ahhhhhh! lol

  15. SweetiePie profile image84
    SweetiePieposted 7 years ago

    I agree with you there girlygirl!  I may not have voted for Palin myself, but I am tired of people making comments about her intelligence and the like.  I never would dare to say anyone is lacking because everyone has their own form of intelligence, and no one really should be judging people that way.  I simply did not think she was qualified for the job, but I am sure she is a good mother and nice person.

    1. girly_girl09 profile image78
      girly_girl09posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      That's just it smile

      I didn't think Obama was better qualified for the job, so I didn't vote for him. But, I never would've made all sorts of ill placed comments about him. He's not a terrible human being. He's not going to ruin our country. I respect him, he's my President. Because he was elected I didn't get to move to D.C. and start my career in the White House. That's ok, I get to go back to school and work on another area of my life.

      I hope that many people in our country think like you, but sometimes I wonder if they do. It is so discouraging to read the news and hear comments espoused that sound like they're from high school.

      But, alas, there is nothing that I can do about it. It's going to just keep getting worse so I'm going to have to learn to completely ignore it. It shouldn't affect me so much. It's just even tougher when kids are involved!

  16. SweetiePie profile image84
    SweetiePieposted 7 years ago

    As I am reading your posts girlygirl I can tell you felt pain for her, so I can now see where you are coming from.  You know thinking about it I probably would be upset if someone said something about my niece, but I guess I would just have to learn to ignore them.  I probably should stay off this thread because honestly even reading these things makes me feel a little anxious.

    1. girly_girl09 profile image78
      girly_girl09posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I should probably stay away from the political threads, too. smile Nothing I can do or say to change people's opinions...I know that by now! I usually avoid this type of stuff but I guess I had some spare time to read and vent today lol.

      Thanks for your comments.

  17. SweetiePie profile image84
    SweetiePieposted 7 years ago

    It was interesting to hear your perspective though girlygirl.  I appreciate that you were willing to share with us smile.

  18. Lisa HW profile image82
    Lisa HWposted 7 years ago

    Apparently, Track was named because he was born in track season (as in the sport).  His mother is said to be a dedicated runner.   roll   I guess I should have name my (non-adopted) kids, "Thanksgiving" and "New Year's", according to that reasoning - or else "Football 1" and "Football 2".   smile

    1. LondonGirl profile image92
      LondonGirlposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Isaac would be "bloody hot"

    2. nyliram profile image61
      nyliramposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      So based on that if she had had the dysentary  that day what would the name have been. Craps

  19. LondonGirl profile image92
    LondonGirlposted 7 years ago

    biased about what, and in what sense?

    Are you actually suggesting these aren't very silly names?

    1. darkside profile image82
      darksideposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Don't mind tk, he's of the opinion that other people shouldn't have opinions.

    2. livewithrichard profile image84
      livewithrichardposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      There is a trend here in the US to get away from traditional names.  Parents here want to make their child unique and forget that it's not the name its their actions in life that make them unique.

      1. Misha profile image76
        Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        If you are right, it is yet another resemblance of what happened in Russia when communists came to power... sad

        1. livewithrichard profile image84
          livewithrichardposted 7 years ago in reply to this

           
          Can you expand on that, I wasn't aware of this resemblance.  I see it as parents wanting to emulate the success of celebrities with unique names, with the notion that giving their child a unique name they somehow have a better shot at being successful as well.  Of course this is generally speaking and the uniqueness of some African-American names are made for entirely different reasons.

          1. tksensei profile image58
            tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I don't think you're gonna hear LondonGirl, et. al. ridiculing those names.

            1. LondonGirl profile image92
              LondonGirlposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              As I don't know what those names are, you are right in your guess.

              I've not met that many black Americans, but those I have met have tended to have quite Old Testament names - I've met a Jonah, Elijah, and Zachariah.

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          pgrundyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Oh Misha is anything NOT another resemblance of what happened in Russiawhen communists came to power?

          You see commies everywhere. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. smile

          1. Misha profile image76
            Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            That's what I am trying to relay. smile Sometimes communism is just communism, no matter what labels you put on it. tongue

  20. tksensei profile image58
    tksenseiposted 7 years ago

    I'm suggesting YOU are very silly for atttempting to disparage the names of someone's children because you don't like her politics. Why not go to Alaska and throw toilet paper at her house? You're at about that level.

    1. darkside profile image82
      darksideposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Whatcha yapping about now? Did it not cross your mind that she doesn't like the names because... get this... she doesn't like the names?

      Do you throw hissy fits in public when people have an opinion different than yours?

      Do you want LondonGirl's home address so you can throw toilet paper at her house?

      1. tksensei profile image58
        tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Yeah, it's just a coincidence...

      2. tksensei profile image58
        tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Absolutely not.

        1. darkside profile image82
          darksideposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          You jump to conclusions so quickly, if you're so quick to suggest others having the same mindset I thought you must be talking from experience.

    2. LondonGirl profile image92
      LondonGirlposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      It's nothing to do with her politics. Whatever she believed in politically, I would still be of the opinion that naming children after a sport (Track), a type of maths homework (Trig), an oil rig disaster (Piper), and a nickname for breasts (Bristol) is a bit daft.

      1. tksensei profile image58
        tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        No, no, of course not...

  21. tksensei profile image58
    tksenseiposted 7 years ago

    You're wrong again.

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    CabinGirlposted 7 years ago

    To be honest I found this topic amusing, when one puts themselves in the public eye they are fair game especially when its the taxpayer paying their wages. I have no sympathy at all for her and if things had have turned out well and McCain had have been elected she would have bathed in the glory. A bit like that other crying bitch Heather Mills, stuck her face all over the media and then turned on the tears that the press all hated her.

    If you can't stand the heat stay out of the kitchen !

    1. tksensei profile image58
      tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Well aren't you a sweetheart? I hope you never get the chance to recieve the same generosity from people like yourself.

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        CabinGirlposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        It's RECEIVE darlin smile

  23. tksensei profile image58
    tksenseiposted 7 years ago

    Thanks a lot.

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      CabinGirlposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Welcome !

  24. girly_girl09 profile image78
    girly_girl09posted 7 years ago



    You know guys, I'm really sorry I started this thread. This is really disheartening for someone like me. I wish it was closed, deleted even.

    Sorry.

    My purpose was to evoke a RESPECTFUL discussion, but folks are still resorting to name calling. Maybe it's just not possible, I don't know. Maybe it's just not possible here on HubPages.

    I'm personally insulted that my original question of why people have such ill will and the entitlement of picking apart people in the spotlight quickly reverted to a name-calling, no facts based, ridiculous spew of rhetoric.

    I'm 22 years old and don't act like this! What gives?!?! I may disagree with other political figure's policies, but I would never stoop to such a level, never. It's not personal. I'm not going to make ridiculous comments about someone just because I disagree with their policies. That's not how I was raised.

    I am really disheartened by listening to grown-ups making such disrespectful comments that remind me of being back in high school or even college. Seriously, that is how ALL OF YOU sound.

    I will not be participating in any political discussions again on here. I'm sure most of you will enjoy that, however.

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      Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      You have nothing to feel sorry about, Girly-girl.  You stated your opinion eloquently and I respect you for that.  Others here (including myself) disagree with some of the thoughts concerning public figures and in particular, Sarah Palin, and have stated their opinion as well, which is fine.

      This is not at issue.

      What is going on here has to do with a troll stirring up personal attacks beyond politics and trying to get a rise out of people.

      I for one will not enjoy losing another smart person on the forums, Girly!  (But I am fast thinking of joining you.)

      1. livewithrichard profile image84
        livewithrichardposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Well that wouldn't be good.  Both of you add something to the quality of the discussion.  We know who the trolls are and when we point them out or fuel their discussion, we take away the value of the original discussion.  It's hard, but say ignore and do not respond to such trolling tactics.

    2. livewithrichard profile image84
      livewithrichardposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      It's probably a good thing that you "retired" from politics then.  You have to be "thick skinned" in order to have any measure of success in this field.  Name calling, and mud slinging is all part of the equation.  I'm not saying it's a good thing, it is what it is. 

      Robert Harris wrote a book called Imperium about the "first politician" this is an excerpt:

      The Roman orator Marcus Tullius Cicero is one of those curious historical figures of whom almost everyone has heard, yet almost no one can tell you anything about. At first glance this is not surprising. He was hardly a hero, certainly not in the conventional sense. He hated soldiering and was regularly accused of cowardice: he was too squeamish even to enjoy the deaths of the wild beasts in the games. He was prone to attacks of panic. He was an unromantic, workaholic prude married to a nagging wife. He could be devastatingly rude, both to the faces of his enemies and in catty remarks behind the backs of his so-called friends.

      Yet Cicero still rose to the consulship, Rome's highest office, in 64 B.C. and was the constant opposition to Julius Cesar.

      So, your supposition that the disrespect will not end here on HP is probably correct since it's been going on since the beginning of Politics. 

      Having said that, girlygirl, I wouldn't be so quick to give up on the discussion unless politics just isn't in your blood anymore.  Politics and Religion are the source of most controversy on any public forum so if your going to participate in them you have to be ready when we, as Pam stated earlier,"opne a can of worms."

    3. nyliram profile image61
      nyliramposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I think you should not take notice, of this person, he is just causing trouble, they will close anyway, if he go to far. So please do not take any of to heart.

  25. countrywomen profile image59
    countrywomenposted 7 years ago

    I know it is a difficult pill to swallow. People sometimes do get carried away from discussing issues to getting personal. And ad hominem isn't a good way to begin a conversation(unless initiating arguments was the motive in the first place). I also hope we all can disagree agreeably as far as possible.

    Btw about politicians I feel people do have a certain right(within limits) to question: Who they are?(Personality) and What they do?(Issues). I know it isn't fair but that is just the way it is and sooner we learn to accept it the better for us to adjust to it. Have a good day. smile

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    Sun Stars Planetsposted 7 years ago

    tksensei is a troll. You people should ignore him. He is called kusojiji on other forums.

    http://yellowworld.org/forums/showthrea … amp;page=9

    1. tksensei profile image58
      tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      And who might you be, little friend?

      1. Mark Knowles profile image60
        Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        LOL Busted. If we are not careful, every thread troll-sensei is involved in will be closed.

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    Sun Stars Planetsposted 7 years ago

    From yellowworld

    Originally Posted by PM from kusojiji
    To summarize, yes I would say whatever you like to your face although if you are half the asswipe in real life that you are here your face would be implanted in the concrete before we really got to talking.

    tksensei is not a nice person.

    1. tksensei profile image58
      tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Are you that angry little fella over there that no one likes?  Try to relax.

  28. Mighty Mom profile image90
    Mighty Momposted 7 years ago

    It's always interesting to go away from a Forum thread for awhile (even a few hours) and come back to see what's been said in one's absense.

    Girly-Girl, I, too, hope you don't retire from Forum participation. Your opinion is as valid as anyone else's. The fact that you posted a topic that got others so engaged is great! But as stated above (or below?) Politics and Religion are subjects that lend themselves to heated, sometimes uncivil debate.

    A thought: If you are disenchanted by the "thread monster" your topic has created, next time write your piece as a Hub. That gives you somewhat more control over accepting or rejecting comments and commenting on others' comments.

    Truly, you have too much to offer these pages to give up and withdraw your participation. MM

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    Sun Stars Planetsposted 7 years ago

    More quotes from yellowworld

    Originally Posted by PM from kusojiji
    Oh, you're not asking for an apology? How big of you! Who the fuck do you think you are, you little turd?

    Originally Posted by PM from kusojiji
    Do you have a legitimate mental disability?

    1. tksensei profile image58
      tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Don't you have enough problems with your emotional instability, sexist attitude, and risible anger management issues over there?

      Are you just frustrated that folks are starting to ignore you over there?

      Or do you love me too much to wait for some attention?

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    Star Witnessposted 7 years ago

    Originally Posted by PM from kusojiji who is TKsensei:

    Oh, you're not asking for an apology? How big of you! Who the fuck do you think you are, you little turd?

  31. Lisa HW profile image82
    Lisa HWposted 7 years ago

    It's a forum.  Some people come for the "serious discussion" or debate.  Some are here to make trouble.  Some don't know the difference between "legitimate debate" and off-the-wall attacking people.  There will always be those, too, who just throw in a joke.  That's how it goes, and it isn't a big deal.  It may be unfortunate for for someone who hopes to have a "legitimate debate", but it isn't anything for anyone to feel bad about.

    girly_girl09, you mentioned your age versus the age of others on here.  Maybe one thing about having a few more years under the belt is that one learns not to take these things as seriously.  Life has a way of kicking people in the head over the years, so by the time one gets 20 or so years past 22 he has learned to have a sense of humor about the small stuff, and has learned what truly matters.  This isn't meant to be put down of someone your age.  You brought up your age and ours.  This is only meant to point out that sometimes it is increased maturity that makes people realize an Internet forum is nothing to spin one's wheels over.  Whatever goes on one day, and whoever has a little fun on here, is gone; and everyone's on to the next thing tomorrow.  Some people knit.  Some watch tv.  Some do forums.

    People aren't going to melt if some clown attacks them.  They're going "let him have it".  Contrary to melting, there can be a little thrill in putting some attacking idiot in his place.  In other words, a little nasty back-and-forth isn't a terrible thing.   I'm not a fan of the nastiness, but, again, it's not a big deal.

    At 22 years old you are young, but you are a grown up.  It is perhaps because people on here give you credit for being a grown up that they feel free to do with your post what they do with so many other political, religion, and other posts.  I, personally, have generally stayed away from the politics and religion forum because they can be aggravating, no matter what one's views are.  Still, no matter what goes on on any forum, it just isn't anything for anyone to spin his wheels over, or feel bad about.  "Grown-ups", as you call forum participants, know what's important in life and what just isn't.  A little bit of sense-of-humor and a few grains of salt are what life teaches most of us we need.     smile

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    Star Witnessposted 7 years ago

    none love you.  There or here.  Stay over there.

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    Sun Stars Planetsposted 7 years ago

    Just thought I would warn you what he is like.

  34. Sufidreamer profile image82
    Sufidreamerposted 7 years ago

    lol lol lol

    What a comedy thread - the insidious troll is exposed, and as a comically inept one at that. Physically threatening people by email....sheer quality. lol

    Must remember to bookmark this thread, for future reference.

    Girly_Girl: Don't be too disheartened - most of the debate was civil. Whilst we differ in many of our political views, I respect your keen mind and debating skills. You will be a loss to the forums, if you leave smile

    1. tksensei profile image58
      tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      That I have never done. You have no idea what a headcase that guy is. And it was not email.

  35. Sufidreamer profile image82
    Sufidreamerposted 7 years ago

    To think that I almost went out to the taverna tonight - I would have missed out on all of the fun.

    Nice try - I followed the link. Whilst I may not be the most internet savvy person, I know what a personal mail is. Basically, you physically threatened somebody by email lol

    From your profile, I would guess that you are a middle aged man - such behaviour from one who pretends to be so wise. With some glee, as you can imagine, I read the entire thread - it seems that he is not the only headcase wink

    A thousand smileys could not convey how much I am enjoying this. The definition of a troll is somebody who tries to elicit an emotional response: You have one.........laughter. lol

    As I sit here with a very large Ouzo, chuckling, I look forward to things becoming even funnier. I invited GoldenToad over here, and he is going to laugh even more than me smile

    1. tksensei profile image58
      tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I guess you really aren't too savvy, and don't read too well. I threatened no one, I responded to threats. Those were private messages in response to what you wouldn't believe: the most angry, violent, vulgar products of a damaged mind. But I understand your need to make a show of giggling like a child in line with your obvious motivations.

      Enjoy.

      1. Mark Knowles profile image60
        Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        You are really very, very good at this. I am impressed. I do not think I have previously met a professional troll before. I mean - we have people so annoyed with your inane commentary coming from other forums to tell us what a dick you are. That is impressive on its own. Thankfully, you will find yourself banned from here before much longer.  lol

        1. tksensei profile image58
          tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Are you going to continue with your pattern of personal attack?

          1. Mark Knowles profile image60
            Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            lol lol

      2. Sufidreamer profile image82
        Sufidreamerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Lets see - I make a good living as an academic writer and ESL examiner, so I guess that means that I have some savvy and can read perfectly well.



        I have been browsing that site a little more - seems that you would would know a lot about angry, violent, vulgar products of a damaged mind. wink



        I am enjoying this - I may be giggling like a child, but at least I am not childish enough to physically threaten people by email. lol lol

        Looks like your past caught up with you - you are a busted flush. Even now you try to go on the offensive but, frankly, you ARE offensive lol

        EDIT: Mr Knowles - What time does Darkside wake up - he is going to enjoy this, too lol

        1. Mark Knowles profile image60
          Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Not sure - we usually miss each other so probably a few hours yet. I long since ceased to be amused with this one and have started reporting it. wink

          1. Sufidreamer profile image82
            Sufidreamerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Same here, although it was nice to let him have a taste of his own medicine.

            Point taken, though - job done; time to stop feeding the troll smile

        2. tksensei profile image58
          tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          You would think so...

          1. Sufidreamer profile image82
            Sufidreamerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Correct, I do think so.



            Speak for yourself - I have never physically threatened anybody by email lol

            1. tksensei profile image58
              tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              That makes two of us.

        3. tksensei profile image58
          tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          That makes two of us.

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    Leta Sposted 7 years ago

    Ring-side seating, Sufi!  Though I should be writing...  smile

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    Leta Sposted 7 years ago

    I'd be curious if TK's family--wife and child--know about his internet activities--and if they did (as I'm sure they do not), what they'd think of his 'impressive' actions.

    1. Mark Knowles profile image60
      Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I am going with imaginary wife and child, along with the imaginary self title "sensei." lol People like him/her/it do not have a real life.

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        Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Good point.

        Doubt he's a writer either, frankly.  It takes work to make it freelancing.  His stuff isn't up to par--just a professional opinion.

        1. Mark Knowles profile image60
          Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          As another professional writer, I would concur.

        2. tksensei profile image58
          tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          LOL! And there's more of your M.O. You're kind of pleased with yourself, aren't you? I notice you fishing for compliments pretty often.

          "Do you know how many degrees I have?"
          "My grade school teachers liked my writing!"
          "I read newspapers and watch TV!"


          Wow.


          Compliments you pay yourself aren't worth much, I'm sorry to tell you.

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            Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Hey, I'm not trolling internet forums, swearing at people and threatening bodily harm.  And I know you're jealous--but that it would be easy to be jealous of anybody--being you.

            Sorry.  But your writing ISN'T very good.  That's the truth.

            1. tksensei profile image58
              tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              LOL! There we go! You don't even bother to deny your need to compliment yourself as you demonstrate further your trend toward personal attack. Looking back, I don't think you'll enjoy seeing how you are conducting yourself now.

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                Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Wrong.  I'm not that 'nice' a girl.  I've learned how to bite back at morons, bullies, a plain-straight idiots.

                You do see how many people here are p*ssed and doing the same thing, right?  Or are you that delusional?

                1. tksensei profile image58
                  tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  LOL! I'm pretty sure you don't employ that flawed logic to other topics!

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                    Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    I'm pretty sure true trash needs to be taken out before it putrefies everything it comes in contact with.

              2. Sufidreamer profile image82
                Sufidreamerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                I am sure she will - on a long, cold, winters night, she will look back at this thread, and feel a fuzzy warmth.

                As to your plea for mercy because of the personal attacks: You dished it out to some of the nicest and most inoffensive Hubbers. Picking on Countrywomen crossed the line - no quarter will be given. wink

                1. tksensei profile image58
                  tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  I thought you said you were able to read well. I don't recall any such plea. Please continue to dig, if you must.

                  1. Sufidreamer profile image82
                    Sufidreamerposted 7 years ago in reply to this





                    Looks like you have some serious difficulty reading. Maybe your memory is deficient. Who knows?

                    Semantics and sophistry, TK. Very weak.

      2. tksensei profile image58
        tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        There we go with more personal attacks. That seems to be your thing.

    2. tksensei profile image58
      tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Trying to get personal again? You seem to have a real capacity for nastiness. Keep an eye on that.

  38. Sufidreamer profile image82
    Sufidreamerposted 7 years ago

    Agreed - I write and edit for a living, and he/she/its work does not make the grade.

    If I am bored, I go for a drink with my friends. I simply cannot understand the appeal of trolling. hmm

    1. Mark Knowles profile image60
      Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Well, I certainly spend too much time on the forums when I am bored, because I spend all day online, but I only go out of my way to antagonize certain cult members. big_smile  Can't understand why anyone would do what he/she/it is doing though. Perhaps locked away somewhere and allowed a certain amount of computer time. Who can tell?

      1. tksensei profile image58
        tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Who you consider all religious people, right bigot?

        1. nyliram profile image61
          nyliramposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Now you begin to annoy, even me, this remark is rude. The man is not a Bigot (I had to look up words meaning admittedly, ) He has an opinion, I am Islamic, he is an Atheist, if it is O.K. for a Islamic person to say fine, then you should as well.
          Peace be with you.

          1. tksensei profile image58
            tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            That makes no sense whatsoever.


            According to many, many comments of his he regards or treats the members of a group (specifically those adhering to any established religion) with hatred and intolerance.

            Guess what that's called?

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              Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              You realize you are SO banned, don't you?  I don't know how many have had complaints about you by now.

              1. tksensei profile image58
                tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                LOL! Yes, having three or four people attacking me personally must be a serious offense! It's interesting to see the pack mentality emerge.

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                  badcompany99posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Kinda ironic for a pack dog Avatar doncha think. Nice to see yer grammar improving though.

                  1. nyliram profile image61
                    nyliramposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Spelling not offence not offense. You may not thank me tksensei. I love you doggy peace be yours.

                  2. tksensei profile image58
                    tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Improving? Ok.

                2. nyliram profile image61
                  nyliramposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  No one is attacking him? only he thinks so.

      2. Sufidreamer profile image82
        Sufidreamerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Maybe he isn't getting any action. I would be pissed, too hmm

        1. tksensei profile image58
          tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Keep going, you're almost at 'booger joke' level.

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            Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I'm sure of what you said, Sufi.  A woman can tell these things.

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              Sufidreamerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              So can men big_smile

              Did I tell you that joke about the booger........lol

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                Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                NO!  Let's hear it!

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                  Sufidreamerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Cut and paste, but......


                  I was walking in the park when I saw my friend and her 5 yr old son sitting on a bench. I walked over to them and the 5 year old started pointing at me, I said, “if you keep pointing I'll eat your fingers." He kept pointing, so I stuck his fingers in my mouth and pretended to eat them. He then started crying. I looked at him and said don't worry I'm not really gonna eat your fingers. He replied, "I know that but where’s my booger?"

                  From: http://evatt.blogspot.com/2005/11/booger-jokes.html

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                    Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Haha!!

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    Sufidreamerposted 7 years ago

    How have you been, nyrilam? Good to see you around again smile

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      nyliramposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I have been good sufi I have been living live of How they say "Riley" This person, is so rude, I cannot believe that they are letting him go on.
      How is it in Greece????? Auckland, very cold. Reading Q'ran, but find it not as easy to do, when Western distractions come up. Allah will still love me (Hopes) Do you think this Forum may be Hi-jacked, my people very good at that!!!!!!!!!

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        badcompany99posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        More like Ali baba !

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          Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          We've got another Mango, here BC.  Wanna help?

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            Sufidreamerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            nyrilam is my friend - I will vouch for her smile

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              Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Yes--I can see.  I was appealing to BC...sorry if it came across wrong.  Mango was in reference to TK.

              1. nyliram profile image61
                nyliramposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Sorry I thought you mean I am fool Lita. I am not. The doggy is in need of the How you say Obedience Class. I will take hime.

            2. nyliram profile image61
              nyliramposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              thank you reciprocated. (spell check on)

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              badcompany99posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              No way is this person in Mangos league, Mango has class, this is a fool and I am here Lita !

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                nyliramposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Do you mean me I will go away, it just my English bad.
                See you all next time.

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                  Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  No, nyliram!  You are very fine. Please stay.  Unless you don't want to witness our trash compacting.

                  Might not be pretty! wink

                  1. nyliram profile image61
                    nyliramposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    thank you I was very worried.  He is very bad.

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        Sufidreamerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Good to hear that you are doing well. I am sure that Allah loves you - your heart is honest and without malice. smile

        1. nyliram profile image61
          nyliramposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          It always has been that way, I want always to see what the person look like so, Tksensei please show your photo, so we may connect.

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    tksenseiposted 7 years ago

    So, we have the group affirmation and the personal attack. How exciting!

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      badcompany99posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Lol you lil attention seeker smile

      1. tksensei profile image58
        tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Please feel free to ignore me.

        1. nyliram profile image61
          nyliramposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I for one, definitely intend to, it was nice to talk to all the others, but you, tksensei, must seek counselling, for your anger management. I agree Mark do not report him he is the light entertainment, besides he will return as what a Wolf Hyena???????????????

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            Sufidreamerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Dung Beetle lol lol

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            Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            'Hyena' is a very vivid metaphor, nyliram!  Excellent.

            1. nyliram profile image61
              nyliramposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              That is why I use the word. I would hate to see him as one of them.

          3. tksensei profile image58
            tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Good luck with the ignoring.


            "anger management"?!   
            ????????? Not angry...

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              Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I already told him, in all good faith, to seek counseling for his obvious issues.

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              nyliramposted 7 years ago in reply to this
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                badcompany99posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Lol you are too easy, besides I know who you are!

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          badcompany99posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Ya know wat I really can't, Me being me sorry but you attack Lita I can't just sit back ya know !

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    Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago

    Holy @#$#@*&^^^ batman.  We've come a long way from talking about smoking dope, masturbating, and eating chocolate!

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    CabinGirlposted 7 years ago

    I don't like that doggy person Captain !

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    CabinGirlposted 7 years ago

    Oh Captain calm down, the Doctor warned you to stay calm !

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    frogdroppingposted 7 years ago

    Gods but this thread is messy.

    And I'm not just talkiing about the current topic.

    The page loads all over the damn place.

    And BC - settle petal wink

    1. nyliram profile image61
      nyliramposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Hi frogdropping. Lets send him to Coventry, I have to go to work, so guys just ignore, I have a 3 bedroom bungalow to pick colours for, and tksensei has given me a Migraine.

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    badcompany99posted 7 years ago

    Sorry but I wont settle ok and although I have been banned before I can't sit back and watch someone abuse a friend. I think hubs will see that and to be honest this fool should have been kicked off the site ages ago.

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      CabinGirlposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Proud of you Captain !

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      Sufidreamerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      That's why I love you, BC - I have your back, too smile

      EDIT: Too many inoffensive hubbers abused - sometimes, you have to make a stand.

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        badcompany99posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Cheers Sufi its just not Lita this tosser has been also winding up GT as well and I am sorry I have been silent on the forums but GT can put up with this fool, Lita is a really nice lady and doesnt need this crap so I had to say my moneys worth !

        1. tksensei profile image58
          tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          If you were to try I guess you could make your point without the personal attacks.

          1. Sufidreamer profile image82
            Sufidreamerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Weak, TK - the nasty one liners did not work, so now you adopt a more conciliatory and flattering tone. Not going to work, old boy - you burned your bridges a long while back wink

            1. tksensei profile image58
              tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              No change. You folks got all excited, not me. Keep up the personal attacks if you really feel you must. Just don't get upset if I recognize the fact.

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      nyliramposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I agree they are fast to kick others off, but this is what he wants, He is not a dog, but is a really gross person, he has in in for lita, and its not even his thread. I think in the morning, it will be apparent, because this will be closed to reply, and he will be gone. Off to the vets.

      1. nyliram profile image61
        nyliramposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I too have your back, and am behind his. We are supporting Lita not him.

      2. tksensei profile image58
        tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Now, is that a nice thing to say?

        1. nyliram profile image61
          nyliramposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          You are a troublemaker, I have reported you not just to Hub Pages but to Cyber Bullying,The International Department. You have ceased to become light entertinment.

          1. tksensei profile image58
            tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            That reminds me of the lady who called 911 because she didn't get enough chicken McNuggets.

            1. nyliram profile image61
              nyliramposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I don't eat Chicken, I don't know what a McNugget is and I don't think calling 911 in Aucklnad new Zealand makes any sense. Is this a joke. If so not very good one.
              You will find I have complained, and given all the details, plus past activity same. You seem to aim for certain people maybe that is your doggy instincts no?

              1. tksensei profile image58
                tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Really? Vegetarian?

  46. Sufidreamer profile image82
    Sufidreamerposted 7 years ago

    No worries, BC - in nine months here, I have tried not to become personal. He crossed the line - Lita does not deserve his facile crap.

    nyrilam - thanks - I always knew that you had a kind heart.

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      badcompany99posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I agree and am no longer replying but like you I couldnt sit back and watch Lita get that crap, enjoy the rest of yer weekend mate !

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        Sufidreamerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        You too - 2am here, so bedtime is not far off. I will try to set up a football thread tomorrow, and don't forget the Confederations Cup kicks off! A timely football fix big_smile

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          badcompany99posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I was actually thinking for next season setting up a hubs fantasy football league. I will set it up and get the password code and link, be a good laugh !

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            Sufidreamerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I'm in - sounds like a laugh!

            I always respect an old-fashioned gentleman, BC - a dying breed.

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        Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        It's not just me, BC.  Tho I grow very tired of it--never experienced it before.

        It is Mark Knowles, Darkside, London Girl, Golden Toad, Bgmall, and countless others.  (Those are the one's I've witnessed.)  Sufi also says CW--which is just ridiculous.  She's the most inoffensive person.

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          badcompany99posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I know Lita but Mark, Dark and the Toad can deal with the twat, I hate watching a woman being insulted hence I got involved but just ignore the attention seeking twat and this topic will just vanish. Enjoy yer might Lita and just ignore this thread as its just become food to a a fool !

          1. tksensei profile image58
            tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            That would be two more personal attacks.

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          countrywomenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Sufi- Was that CW mention about me? Well TKS did try to intervene since I was trying to defend US(and Obama just happens to be the President now) with respect to Mr.Usman Ali's gross misconception about US (and so many other things) and then TKS tried to have an issue with that.
          Lita- Thanks for the compliment. And this thread sure has gone on to multiple pages and I just read couple of pages. You folks sure stay active even on weekends.

          PS: Just returned from checking out houses nearby and now tired taking rest. smile

          1. tksensei profile image58
            tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            What do you mean?

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              nyliramposted 7 years ago in reply to this
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              countrywomenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Well you were trying to discredit my viewpoint in the conversation with Mr.Usman in that thread. When in fact it was Mr.Usman who first said that US President Obama is Pro Israel even now(after the recent summit). And based on the BBC news that I watch regularly I was trying to show him that his perspective about US(being evil/anti Muslim) is incorrect/false. http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/15421?page=11

              1. tksensei profile image58
                tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                I don't know about your conversation with whomever, but the president IS pro Israel. Israel is an important ally and he's said so himself many times. That doesn't mean he isn't interested in the plight of the Palestinians as well, of course.

                1. countrywomen profile image59
                  countrywomenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Please go through the link that I inserted for your convenience. And my whole point was Mr.Obama now appears to have gained some credibility with the Muslim world after the recent summit speech and also that US neither was or is Anti Muslim(as perceived by him and some others). If you prefer to pick and choose selectively a few words without understanding the whole context then it isn't appropriate to intervene when I am trying to remove some misconceptions Mr.Usman has. Anyway peace my friend. Have a good day. smile

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    CabinGirlposted 7 years ago

    Bravo my captain and we hate dogs anyway, well ones like that !

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    CabinGirlposted 7 years ago

    Make that 3 if you insult my Captain you dog ugly person !

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    CabinGirlposted 7 years ago

    Come on Dog Person come take on the Cabin Girl !

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      Sufidreamerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      How have you been, CabinGirl? I hope that the world is making sense to you. smile

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        CabinGirlposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        The Cabin Girl is good, never been better and very much in love I might add !

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          Sufidreamerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Great stuff - when are you going to write some more poetry. It would be nice to read some happy stuff! smile

    2. tksensei profile image58
      tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Say what? Not following you.

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        CabinGirlposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Why would you, yer the dog and I am the human you just gotta know your place you know, be a good dog and learn to bark only when you are asked. You follow or is that too complicated for you ?

        1. tksensei profile image58
          tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          You probably meant that as a joke and not a personal attack.

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            CabinGirlposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Being a Joke I would have thought you knew the difference !

            1. tksensei profile image58
              tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Hm, ok, was THAT meant to be a jpersonal attack?

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        CabinGirlposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        You follow now ?

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    CabinGirlposted 7 years ago

    Awwwwwww I guess the doggy is in the kennel, maybe just as well as the Cabin Girl has both barrels loaded and ready for ya !

 
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