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    ryankettposted 7 years ago

    http: //secondsearch.blogspot.com/

    A lot of hubbers stuff is one here.

    Pretty much every post is a hub. He has my '25 Funny Facebook Status Ideas' hub.

    Depressing thing is that he has submitted a 'digg' and it has more votes up then any of my diggs ever have.

    He has basically stolen my digg traffic.... if I ever wanted to take that option.

    This is a battle we will never win I guess.

    1. relache profile image88
      relacheposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      File an NOI with blogspot. They act pretty fast.

      1. Pearldiver profile image86
        Pearldiverposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        File a No1?  Does that mean I get to lift my leg? hmm

        1. relache profile image88
          relacheposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Notice Of Infringement

          That's what the complaints are actually called.

          1. Pearldiver profile image86
            Pearldiverposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Sorry.. I was being a smartass pup! sad  I will Change!

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        ryankettposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Lol, I will add it to my list... I have about 6 to do!

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      sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      How are you guys finding these?

  2. KCC Big Country profile image83
    KCC Big Countryposted 7 years ago

    You know the routine...file a complaint...and when we finally get tired of filing complaints...we'll be at peace with it all.

    Yeah, I know, I ain't there yet either.  smile

  3. Tom Cornett profile image55
    Tom Cornettposted 7 years ago

    I clicked on the site and browsed a little...my computer went nuts with  pop ups...I shut it down fast.

    People like these are lower than snake shit.

  4. Aware1 profile image61
    Aware1posted 7 years ago

    This is crazy how much is being seen stolen..

    I have a question..

    In viewing my stats for my hubs, I noticed they have 'digg' rates, yet I do not yet have a digg account.. Does this suggest that someone has copied my matierial and submitted it to digg??

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      ryankettposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Digg rates? Where is this?

      If somebody has been Digging your hubs, then this can only be a positive thing, but where do you see these?

      1. Aware1 profile image61
        Aware1posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I have just started using the Firefox browser and downloaded an Seo Firefox extention to check page ranking...
        It is called 'SEOBOOK'

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          ryankettposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Oh right I see, well why dont you search for the URL of the relevant hubs in google. If it comes up as a digg listing then yes somebody has 'digged' your hub. If it doesnt, then they havent.... that simple wink

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    ryankettposted 7 years ago

    So were they digged or not? Somebody else bookmarking your hubs is a very positive thing....

    1. Aware1 profile image61
      Aware1posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      They were not 'digged'....yahooo! very nice of someone to bookmark me!

  6. Aware1 profile image61
    Aware1posted 7 years ago

    Sandra, I cannot answer for Ryan, yet I read on another thread a post from Frogdropping that you can search in quotes the first few lines of text from your hubs and search to see if your material has been stolen...

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      sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      thanks for the tip. big_smile

      1. Aware1 profile image61
        Aware1posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        my pleasure...this forum is a wealth of information! smile

  7. Paul Profitt profile image78
    Paul Profittposted 7 years ago

    I'm a bit confused about what you are complaining about, (must be because its 3 o'clock in the morning in the UK) but as far as I know any Digg traffic links back to the original source, which should mean good news for you.

  8. Pearldiver profile image86
    Pearldiverposted 7 years ago

    Before Everyone goes into Spin Mode.. I suggest we All take the time to evaluate the whole situation. In that way we then only have a minimum number of fires to put out.

    Firstly: Identify and list the number (& who) have had their work raped. Collectively then you will find that if 1000 of us have been affected by this then we as a group have a lot of power to do something really positive about it & seriously kick butts.

    In the interim: If you find a site that has your (or other's) work. Do a search on that site including their Whois details, IP Addresses etc. Then post it on a New Thread, with min comments, so we can guage a better picture.

    The longer it takes to action this... the more damage is done.

    Once we have a picture of the site information of the offenders, then we can collectively do them some damage.

    This is a very serious issue and more so when you actually see how many of us are involved. Don't be apathetic about it - spend a few minutes of your time as well and the effect is a well researched position for all of us.

    Collectively, we carry emmense weight legally and can use that weight to Nuke the problems. (Before you try to shoot me down on this; think abit more laterally than you may be used to).  We have the ability to set a protocol precedence on this.

    Don't give up or become despondent (or Lazy) this very positive if it is done properly.

    One individual carries little weight - 100 people get heard!

    This is my professional opinion having spent 12 years as a Professional Troubleshooter; I understand the options available to this group.... if we stick together and approach the problem from left field as opposed to the obvious.

    Be brave and stand strong. This issue Has Not Been Resolved Yet.
    And it is not up to HP to do anything more than they have.

    @Ryan your hub has 5 diggs on that blogsite - they are indian and have 29 members. Can a 100 of us beat them in a wee social headbutt?

    1. relache profile image88
      relacheposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Pearldiver, you say that Maddie took what you were saying out of context, but when I read what you wrote (which I quoted above), it seems to me that you are very much calling for "mass revenge."  A protocol precedent already exists:  it's a Notice of Infringement complaint as outlined by the Digital Millennium Copyright Act.  The actions you are calling for strike me as more along the lines of an online lynch mob action.

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        Star Witnessposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Uh, no.  This could also be called "community organizing," wink.  And its absolutely true.  Of course a large group has more influence than a single person, often.  Sometimes, in some contexts, lol, it's called a class action law suit.

        They don't want hubbers taking the 'law' into their own hands, perhaps in a vigilante type way?  wink Otherwise, it seems to me that the words used towards Pearl Diver were (if not to be taken literally?  Very hard to tell) a bit of indirect snark, yeah.

      2. Pearldiver profile image86
        Pearldiverposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I'm surprised you Also miss the point Ralache. This 'problem' is Far More than a mere copyright infringement (as I have rightfully stated in earlier posts) and therefore requires 'just a wee bit' of thinking outside of the box, to cap the entire problem. 

        I'm sorry if some are unable to think or act laterally and see no benefit in collectively using the inhouse resources that exist within some of the 'more qualified' members.

        Don't Play Down the Fact that a High % of HP Documents were stolen & can potentially be circulated for the next 100 years. 

        I'm a Businessman: What do I know? Perhaps alot more than I've put on HP's table. Don't assume I'm an idiot and I will return the same to you.

        This event effectively put the future of many people at risk! It also factly did damage to the future of HP. If, you don't feel that it is appropriate to mention that..... well nothing more to say, is there?

        1. Len Cannon profile image87
          Len Cannonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          How is that far more than a copyright violation? That is pretty much the definition of a copyright violation.  I think maybe you just need to turn your dial down from 10 to a 6 here.

          1. Mark Knowles profile image61
            Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            So - publicly stating that the pages stolen from hubpages were  "in the public domain" and adding a badge to every page that was stolen saying "public domain" and stating that the author and a site moderator had personally checked to make sure this was public domain material and that anyone was free to copy and re-use the pages is no more than copyright violation?

            You just need to do a little research before opening your  mouth. wink

            1. Len Cannon profile image87
              Len Cannonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              [INSINCERE EMOTICON]

            2. mandybeau1 profile image61
              mandybeau1posted 7 years ago in reply to this
    2. chucky12 profile image60
      chucky12posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I'd just like to tell ya all that come morning their adsense accounts ill all be disabled. sniff tee hee. I'm as mean as a Dingo. Hell yes

  9. Jane@CM profile image60
    Jane@CMposted 7 years ago

    I checked the site and got nailed with windows opening up one after another...not going back, I'm skeerd.

  10. Lisa HW profile image82
    Lisa HWposted 7 years ago

    Jane, over the weekend I found some of my Hubs on a couple of URLs that, when I clicked on them, made my Firefox seem to freeze up and/or generallyl be weird, to the point where I ended up having to shut down the machine and start over.  One was a really, really, weird foreign site with what looked like articles on top of articles (so there was no reading anything on it).  It does make one apprehensive about clicking on those URLs that appear to have our stuff on them.

    Ryan, it looks to me like the blog is gone.  I just tried to go to it and ended up getting nothing but a search list.

  11. Maddie Ruud profile image82
    Maddie Ruudposted 7 years ago

    @ryankett: Google has made it very easy to file a DMCA complaint for BlogSpot blogs, via this form: http://www.google.com/support/blogger/b … nfringment

    Filed one myself today, in fact.

    @Pearldiver:  I'm not sure what you meant by "we can collectively do them some damage," but I do NOT want to encourage stalking or mass revenge for copyright violations.  Do the right thing.  File a DMCA.

    1. Pearldiver profile image86
      Pearldiverposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      CLEARLY You Don't Understand what I meant Maddie; and I note you have taken my post completely out of context.

      I Do NOT Appreciate your intimation that I am encouraging Stalking or Mass Revenge!! How dare you so disrespectfully publicly attack me with such a statement.

      "Do the Right Thing" - That advice would best be directed at the parties who openly flaunted the copyright of this site's writers.
      Perhaps (as I suggested) you should consider the fact that this event represents a lot more than you would prefer to be aired.

      What are you looking for Maddie?  A Fall Guy? 

      If you Don't Need or Respect My Meager Contribution to this Community - No Problems. 

      I've had my face slapped a hundred times in my life for trying to help people in trouble! Your cheap shot is no different.

  12. New York Life profile image60
    New York Lifeposted 7 years ago

    Its always a good idea to make it personal, when someone steals from you, they are taking out of your pocket.

    Its easy and best to first try the suggested route like dmca notifications and NOI , and this works well with reputable sites.

    But when a personal site steals from you, a quick who is, search the contact info, see if you can become facebook/myspace friends, find a phone number, call at 3am and explain nicely wink, what kind of shitstorm you will rain on them for STEALING from you.

    Its very effective and can be a nice change of pace.

    Its not our fault if they target 100's of victims, so the get 100's of responses.

    Dont let criminals hide behind rules, esp arbitrary ones, the internet is international, there are no real rules yet.

    people tend to turn to google, how quickly we begin to forget that is just another private corporation, not our own private angel.

    ...and this is how a new yawker gets it done!


    on the flipside dont try to hard to chase down stolen work, 98% of teh time that content would never see the light of day, unless its ranking well for your keywords its rather meaningless..pick your fights and balance your time..sometimes a phone call is quicker!

  13. New York Life profile image60
    New York Lifeposted 7 years ago

    whats wrong with an online lynch mob? I bet it gets the job done.

    the biggest problem with the modern world is the failure of people to individually mobilize (or collectively) and protect their own rights

    In my neighborhood, we dont call the authorities for anything less than a murder, anything smaller and a couple of guys just show up at your house and 
    show you the error of your ways.

    eventually it gets around that certain communities strike back hard, and criminals find easier marks (if they can still walk)

    ..and thats how new yorkers get it done

    1. mandybeau1 profile image61
      mandybeau1posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Someone mention lynch mobs, Just getting the rope Lol:)

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    HealthTipposted 7 years ago

    Pearldiver is a good guy and deff he was taken out of context. By collectively he I am sure meant we can beat people like that by each individual doing something about it in a community effort, I in no way see mass revenge at all in his qoute !

    1. Pearldiver profile image86
      Pearldiverposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Thank you Art. (My less refined Irish heritage is showing through smile )

      1. mandybeau1 profile image61
        mandybeau1posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        PD are u the Fuhrer at the Moment.... Hahahahahahahahahahaha.

  15. New York Life profile image60
    New York Lifeposted 7 years ago

    maybe thats why I am so firmly on board, my degree is in community organizing.

    Bureaucracies dont get things done, people power does.

    We should systematically (and legally) destroy all found thieves, and chronicle their destruction, use all of our combined promotion powers to make it known, dugg and a well known part of the internet world.

    dont mess with the hubMOB!

    thats how a new yorker gets it done

  16. soni2006 profile image45
    soni2006posted 7 years ago

    This silly person has got my recent hub on the first page of this blogspot blog. I am really annoyed and upset and the site is not running properly and is making my computer to hang up, it is taking a lot of time to load up.

    1. mandybeau1 profile image61
      mandybeau1posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Don't go near the Site it is full of Viruses.

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    poetlorraineposted 7 years ago

    i wonder if anyone will ever steal my hubs......... i suppose it is an underhanded compliment, though extremely annoying

  18. andromida profile image76
    andromidaposted 7 years ago

    There are many hub theft cases I hear every month,I think if all the blogs had implemented duplicated content checking methods like hubpages has,then this hub stealing could be minimized.

  19. sunforged profile image65
    sunforgedposted 7 years ago

    nah it isnt full of viruses, just has an annoying level of pop-ups

    if you cant access that site than you need to get a better pop up blocker

    that site also isnt indexed here in the states, its not much of a threat,

    1. mandybeau1 profile image61
      mandybeau1posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I didn't get any pop ups, at all.. No windows opening,in fact it now seems to be just acting really slowly.

  20. sunforged profile image65
    sunforgedposted 7 years ago

    thats from all the scripts on the page - most of them designed to cause pop-ups

    if you stay on the page for 30-45 secs a full screen pop up jumps up.

    1. mandybeau1 profile image61
      mandybeau1posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Yeah I get that, but there is something screwy, it popped over to Hubpages while I was reading it with the name Ville something on it then it was gone. Leaving the blank white square.
      Whats that about???????????

  21. sunforged profile image65
    sunforgedposted 7 years ago

    http://www.sitemeter.com/?a=stats&s … h&r=37

    The site doesnt get much traffic above is a list if top landing pages

  22. Pearldiver profile image86
    Pearldiverposted 7 years ago

    @ Len Cannon my dial is never on 10;
    (Being a fan of the Old Bull-Young Bull theory!) smile

    I believe I stated something about approaching a situation in a less than predictable manner! Perhaps you also missed that hmm

    To help you with the exercise....
    Consider the event from a Legal position and with a Winning Legal strategy. (if you're up to that.).

    If not.... you make the coffees!
    If so; Ask yourself the revelent strategic questions beyond the obvious!

    I Don't Open My Mouth Unless I Know What I'm Talking About! Do You? hmm

  23. Len Cannon profile image87
    Len Cannonposted 7 years ago

    Well, I have no idea what you're saying, so you must have me there.  You are ranting about a webpage that no longer exists as far as I can tell, so I think you should calm down and stop turning it into a bigger issue than it is.

    1. sunforged profile image65
      sunforgedposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      the page certainly does exist - but the same difficulties you have getting in, effects everybody so its not likely to be sucking any traffic from anyone.

      many of us are more incited by the principle and are still revved up from the docstoc event.

      ...it seems everyone is just pointing out that you are under-informed or oblivious, so your off topic comment is universally unappreciated.

      but hey, its a free world, have fun with that

  24. mandybeau1 profile image61
    mandybeau1posted 7 years ago

    Len you seem a nice little Boy, so I will tell you Pearldiver is right, he would check his facts, besides he is a New Zealander as am I and we are always right.
    I think Mark has also told you, and he is pretty much the Doyen of these pages.

  25. Len Cannon profile image87
    Len Cannonposted 7 years ago

    I don't know what his facts are because the page does not exist.  My main "fact" is that several of you are being very defensive and insulting anyone who happens to think a calmer approach is better.  You've both been very rude.

    1. Mark Knowles profile image61
      Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      LOL

      Of course you think a calmer approach is better. You did not have hundreds of hours of your work stolen and posted at another site with the label "Please feel free to copy and reuse this article," on it.

      Not the site we are currently discussing.

      And I think we all reacted to the condescending way you stared what you stated rather than what you said.

    2. mandybeau1 profile image61
      mandybeau1posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Everyone that knows me knows I haven't got a rude offensive bone in my body and that is why  I am hurt by your remarks. I am blubbing now like a big kid, Bud just to show how nice I am I have fanned you.

    3. Pearldiver profile image86
      Pearldiverposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Well I'm Not Blubbing and Certainly Not Ranting!

      If you feel that I'm Talking too loud; then it may be solely that I'm trying to speak to a deaf person without the abilty to sign or lipread!
      Most would give up on them - I'd rather teach them to sign.... using a limited amount of fingers!

      Perhaps where you come from 'Ranting' is not a rude remark?
      Kindly don't exclude yourself from the rudeness stakes prematurely.

      You are completely correct on the fact that your don't understand. It's not that hard (as Mark has pointed out).

      Irrespective of the current status of those sites... some of us have (thankfully) enough commonsense to know that it doesn't end there.

      Thousands of hours have been spent collectively and the works represent a high percentage of the total of HP's 'stock.'  It's been copied and no doubt stored for later dissemination.

      What can be done about that?  A Hell of a lot! Wanna know how? Maybe I'll Write a Book for the Deaf! hmm

  26. frogdropping profile image85
    frogdroppingposted 7 years ago

    Len - the OP started the thread as a means of informing others he'd found another C&P pillock.

    Pearl Diver was suggestion that those affected can either fight singularly and maybe have an effect to some degree. Or fight as a collective which has the potential to effect a stronger result regarding online copy theft. There will always be strength in numbers. I dont see anything he wrote as inciting some kind of online riot.

    I believe his exact words were 'we carry immense weight legally'.

    Note he used the word 'legally'.

  27. sunforged profile image65
    sunforgedposted 7 years ago

    speaking of legally, I would like to see hubpages use a little legal clout in tracking down the perpetrator of the past event.

    The user shift(a-q) could have used a trackable IP, 90% likely to have real info connected to the pub-id.

    That was by no means a small problem that is solved simply by stopping teh user accounts and never saying another word to the hub community about it.

    What precautions have been made to stop automated software from scraping teh site? (yes, it can be done - limits on requests from one IP in a set time period helps)

    Do they have a legal team, are they treating an Attack of this scale with the proper respect? What is the current state of affairs. Are they pursuing or cooperating with Docstoc to hunt down the actual person, has an actual complaint with appropriate regulatory agencies been made?

  28. Pearldiver profile image86
    Pearldiverposted 7 years ago

    Thank You Josh!

    And thanks FD, Mark, Mandy and to the other like minded on this.

    The comments I make are Not about Attacking HP, our writers or admin staff.  However, a more pro-active approach can easily quadruple the size and revenue of this site & writers; if
    a) the opportunity is identified and
    b) it is acted upon injunction with legal clout.

    From a Strategic perspective; Lead from the front and turn a disadvantage into advantage. (Enough cryptic clues?)

    1. frogdropping profile image85
      frogdroppingposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I like that PD. Instead of allowing barriers to grow stronger, seek solutions. It prevents apathy.

      1. Pearldiver profile image86
        Pearldiverposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Yep That's one of the key benefits. Thanks FD smile

  29. Sufidreamer profile image82
    Sufidreamerposted 7 years ago

    With you on that one, PD - the strength of this community is that it is built upon a mix of excellent writers and SEO experts. Imagine the potential of marrying the heavyweight writers, like Pam Grundy, Paraglider or McGurk, with expert SEO folks such as Sunforged and Knowles.

    If a site keeps on allowing content thieves to prosper, a few hundred carefully targeted and optimised Hubs could generate a lot of bad publicity. No business wants that and will soon change their practices - this is not a witch-hunt or harassment, but a community of writers/ethical marketers fighting back.

    Ultimately, these document sharing sites could have the same effect upon writers as P2P had on music artists - this is not a hysterical overreaction or mob-mentality, but making sure that we are ahead of the curve.

    The power of community smile

    1. soni2006 profile image45
      soni2006posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Yes, it is time for us to use the power of community in the right direction. I am with everyone on this.

    2. Pearldiver profile image86
      Pearldiverposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Hi Sufi..... Thanks mate... You got it in One smile

  30. Eaglekiwi profile image73
    Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago

    I had a similar problem with weebly.com  a few months back.
    I found them while browsing my adsense account taking 50% ,geeze you can imagine if I earned 3-4c ,why I made zilch.( I made nothing for 4 weeks)..
    Mark was very helpful then helping me sort through what the codes meant ,and I disabled them from my 'authenticated sites'.

    I did sign up with them ages ago, never wrote anything and forgot all about them.
    I guess as soon as I started writing for Hubpages ,they figured jump on the gravy boat train too!
    Wierd for this newbie to figure, but I disabled them ,just irkes me they appeared on my adsense account at all.

    ( Least now Im finally earning something , anything from 1c to 80c) daily , yipeeeeeee smile

    1. Pearldiver profile image86
      Pearldiverposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      lol I Just got an email from Adsense asking me to comment on their performance lol Shall I mention you EK?

      1. Eaglekiwi profile image73
        Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        lol please do ,like where shall I send my resume.
        In for a penny , in for a pound eh smile

  31. deartfuldodger profile image62
    deartfuldodgerposted 7 years ago

    Sufi - has said it well, this is a community that includes lots of people who know how to make things hit the front page and would if mobilized in a cohesive way.

    New York life, said something similar in the beginnings of this thread, this is a group that can really control the SERPs when antagonized, certain sites  that frequently harbor copyright thieves can be clearly exposed for that through strong and fair reporting combined with a massive network of keyword researchers and backlink creators

    hell, one article about docstocs debacle (just as an example) - dugg, by each person who commented in the related threads, would have taken first page for sure - such a system could be mobilized easily w/ minimal effort of each individual

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    ryankettposted 7 years ago

    I never thought that it would be me saying this, but bleeding hell..... calm down girls and boys. If it makes you lot feel any better, his blog is way way down in the search engine listings for most keywords..... just wanted to make people aware wink

    @ Maddie, of course I am going to file a DMCA.... but I can only file one for my specific hub, I posted the link so that others could find their content and do the same. Didn't know that it was going to all kick off again!

    1. Sufidreamer profile image82
      Sufidreamerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Sure, Ryan - I also tend to ignore single crappy blogs.

      The issue that PD is talking about is the 'Writing' P2P sites - docstoc, flixya and scribd. The potential for damage through those sites is immense - we are not just talking about a little lost adsense; the Public Domain note was very worrying.

      Musicians were caught out by P2P - we can learn from their mistakes and limit damage before it happens. If this continues to happen, we can pressure these companies into strengthening their duplication protocols.

  33. Pearldiver profile image86
    Pearldiverposted 7 years ago

    Cheers for finding that site Ryan... This has continued to become a discussion on collectively covering writer's butts and using the resources to ensure that our works are secured in future. Huge potential and huge IT presence.

    @ deartfuldodger quite right - explore that to the next level. hmm

  34. Pearldiver profile image86
    Pearldiverposted 7 years ago

    Hahaha What took you so long lol

    You have my email address? hmm

  35. deartfuldodger profile image62
    deartfuldodgerposted 7 years ago

    PD I am legion, ill finish my email today sent to me about a similar collab thought ???

    1. Pearldiver profile image86
      Pearldiverposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Yes you Are!! I Conceed! lol

 
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