There sure seems to be a lot of beautiful women both in hubs and writing hubs. I wonder how many are just pics of someone else, as I've heard of people doing that because a pretty picture attracts more clicks?
I guess some people would do that. Wouldn't it be embarrassing though if the person whose picture was used tracked sown the user?
Some very beautiful women pictured in this thread Amy Jane Needs Our Help! Vote for Amy Jane
The pic of Amy I think would have to be genuine as she is trying to get a job....you can help just by voting for her there is still time, tell your friends!
While you can never sure on the Internet, and while it's always possible for particularly creative types to invent a believable character and then write as that character; some avatars and profiles are obviously pretty suspicious. There'll be what looks like a professional photograph and then there's a quickie profile that appears to be someone's attempt to create his version of a woman people would find attractive. ("I'm a Swedish super-model, 5' 10", from a wealthy family and with degrees in computer science, psychology, and sport fitness." - and then little else about the person. Then all the Hubs will about something in an area generally believed to have better earning potential.) The world is full of good looking people (women AND men) who are also intelligent and/or talented writers, so I don't doubt some avatars are real. Some, though, (particularly when considered with the profile) pretty much scream, "phony".
(I'm not really a transparent Earth, by the way, but I want my writing to attract any readers on its own - not because I am, of course, a super-model with ten, wide-ranging, degrees; including, of course, one in sports fitness. )
exactly they just see a pretty face and are interested, having no intetion of actually reading their hub.
Im really a dragon....gets me TONS of clicks....actaully
I had my real pic up for a bit, and it nearly got me divorced cuz if it...
Er that's the same deal I made with my husband . I can post, write hubs, etc. just not show my face or his for that matter.
Oh and to Max, not showing my picture here is my personal choice and mine alone (the same with everyone else who use 'fake' pics or avatars). You can take that as cowardice but I really don't care because as Justine said, you don't know everyone's circumstances here.
Well, I'm happy for you to admit that your failure to use your real picture is motivated chiefly by cowardice. It's that kind of honesty I welcome, and look forward to seeing more often.
Er, did I say I admit that I'm a coward? I just said 'you can take that as cowardice' but I never admitted to being one . I think you'd better search the forums or the Internet for that matter and see why some people do not want to put up their real pics here.
HAHHAHAHAHHAHA EMIE!!!! Love ya!!!!! How the puppy? You squoooshing her face regularly for me?
Luv yah too! The puppy? ohhhh, she was getting real squishes that's why I pulled down her pic and replaced her with my niece, who is also verrrryyyyyyyyyyy 'squishable'
oh I see that.
my niece is quite squishy as well.
you coward!! hdig behind a squishy neice.
hey, what did you have good for dinner?
going to bed soon?
I made taco flavored cheese stuffed meatloaf and roasted garlic, petitte peas and broccoli rice..mmm
for once justine, hijacking would be a great idea here! or shall we just bull doze over
Hey myownworld, we should have done this an hour ago so that I can fill up the thread . Now have to go to sleep. G'night beautiful!
good night swetie!!
see ya tommorrow Emie!! going to respond to m..o..w...in a sec!!!
lol..sleep well...hope this thread doesn't come in your nightmares....! it is certainly my idea of one!
(frog, careful with that cup of coffee.....max threw up all over my lunch just a while ago!)
I would take a 3 day ban for this shiite!!!
she looks just like me when I was younger so I don't think it'll be any stretch of imagination to see me now
ohhh, yes, have to go to bed soon (darn these forums!).
OMG, food!!!! You're cruel (j/k). Now I'll be dreaming of food!
I can thank my pic of all of my clicks. there is no way I could get a blistering 5 views a day without a pic as sexy as mine!
Yeah Bloodlatex, sure made me want to see more...not!
I have to agree with lyricsingray tho, being a normal (more or less lol) male and having grown up in the good ole USofA, her stripper silouette made me want to click for more and actually prompted this thread.
I think if the woman seems to be attractive but not perfect then the picture is probably real. (Whether or not it is the actual author is a different thing altogether.)
Pictures that appear to be too perfect are probably not "real", if you will. I DO confess to NOT clicking on a hub if the avatar is that of an unattractive woman . . . UNLESS, of course, I already know the woman has something interesting to say. Whereas if I see an attractive woman on an avatar I might go to that hub whether she can truly write or not.
men are visual. Do we fall in love with a person? Sure. Are we easily attracted to a visually attractive appearance? Yes. Sorry.
Really? Didn't think that would come into play, maybe I should put a picture up of a pretty blond............Nah
I saw your previous avatar... if that was you, you do not need help!
Aww Thanks you little devil, you... , no that was me!
pleasure is all mine, now I'll go read some of your stuff to see if you are just another pretty face or if you have one of those "brains"
Yeah prob just another stereotype.... ;( ...
well I fanned you anyway, that's how shallow I am
I fanned you all as I am as shallow as the water my ship is docked in
And I'm no better because I fanned you as well, but then again I'm a sucker for a man with horns!
yup, chicks looooove the horns, they are even cooler than those hubcaps that keep spinning when the car stops.
99.9% of the people who click on ads are usually not aware they are rewarding the hub's author.
I've just noticed something else I didn't know about, and that is the hubs about beautiful women in "hand bras" what the heck is up with that?? I guess it's just a way to put a bunch of nearly naked womens pics on Hubpages huh. I've looked at my share of half naked women in my life but never heard of that one!
Don't get me wrong, I don't mind looking at women in "hand bras" as a matter of fact I think I like it! And I guess I've found new keywords I need to take a look at. lol
If I was going to use an avatar, I would pic Angeline Jolee'
her look is always so different from pic to pic, and she is reconizable, maybe draw more readers????
hi....i will never put my picture here just for the sake of getting more attention or fans....i love my avatar...lol..
Well I guess I started this so I'm going to finally fess-up! No that isn't really me it that pic, I just thought the guy was sooo good lookin I would generate some extra clicks using it. lol
So how are your view counts going? Are they increasing?
Too soon to tell really, plus I don't have that many hubs yet. Hey someone asked for Hugh so here he is! I noticed my hub score falling a point or two, so maybe the hunks don't help in that respect.
a beautiful avatar might draw a first click, but if u have only poor quality hubs to offer, no one is going to return, at least, not serious readers. it's easy getting fans here, but 'rea'l fans who actually read your work are few...and an avatar is certainly not what makes them come back for more!
hi my ownworld, wazzz up?? happy sunday...
You know what there's a lot of, though - there are people who post decent enough Hubs but have the picture and profile that scream, "Phony". What I think that is are people who write but do the "fake-pretty-girl thing" because they think it will get that many more readers. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think people who do post ok Hubs but then "top them off" with phoniness would be better off with a more "legitimate" avatar and a real profile. Some of those that I mention, though, are only good writing because people copy and paste them from other writers, so the whole Hubber and all the Hubs are just a big scam.
Sometimes a great avatar can make people come back more often - I don't think many people put up their real pic mainly because they can find something better looking.. lol - no, really I think people are scared to put up their actual pic - plus it is the interntet - you can be anyone you want to be here - thats one of the beauties of it
hi pretty! (hugs)
why don't we both put up a pic of angelina jolie or gisele bunchan and see if it will draw more traffic?
nah.. were prettier than them specially you,,,am not sure if they can write also, write checks maybe..lol gisele for you and ange for me, brad here I come
Actually, you would draw less myownworld ... You're already a good looker.
thanks Yoshi....but now I'm beginning to think that's such a handicap!!!
(hmm...now why did i ever think to use my real pic....oh but wait....if i use an avatar, than i must definitely be 'ugly'! u see, according to max, we lose either way!)
(and well said pretty, and lol @ habee!)
I know what u mean Lisa....I wish everyone here was more comfortable with putting up their real photos, but people have different reasons for choosing the avatars they like....and well, it's their choice. for me personally, it's totally irrelevant compared to the quality of hubs they write. now if THAT isn't original, no avatar matters!
((pretty, not fair..if we get to keep the men too, then I want to be angie please!!))
Be cautious of attractive pictures.
Be even more cautious of the most attractive pictures. Especially female ones.
Being a good writer and being good looking are two qualities that seldom mesh together. Great writers are typically ugly and frequently fat (they get so little exercise from being sat on their toosh all day) and good looking females can't write.
Writers, deep down, want to be loved. Those with the most hubs want to be loved the most. And it's these who frequently have either a fake picture or have an overly stylsed representation of who they are as an avatar. These people may well be good writers, but they are also insecure and quite ugly. Some are even very ugly. Almost looking like zombies.
There ahve been studies you know...
Pssst, now keep this to yerself ok, Zombies aren't real !
why do we have such set images of what female writers are like....and why so ready to question and doubt if they don't fit that preconceived notion? easy with the generalizations people!
my ownworld, I agree to that statement of yours..
Maximus591: is your analysis aplicable to men also:::hmmmm....does it mean then that youre not a good writer???we dont really know whats going on in a profile and hubs right?
you gotta rely on instinct, there are more people who are true than otherwise...it is really difficult to tell at times,
BRING IT ON STEELERS< they are beating my old man FAVRE now..
Preconceived notions exist because well, they contain truths. Just like stereotypes. Stereotypes persist because they contain truths. It's the truth within the stereotype that gives a stereotype it's life.
Fat, ugly female writers with talent is a stereotype. Is it a harsh one? Not really. Because there are plenty of dismally unattractive females with rounded bodies who are gifted writers. The stereotype itself (fat females = good writers) is given momentum by the truth contained within the stereotype.
I take it you are not familiar with quite a few upper echelon American female poets. Ever see a photo of Jorie Graham when she was younger, ie?
It can be said that absolutely the opposite is true, because attractive people sell everything (not saying that either stereotype is indeed THE truth).
'Upper echelon American female poets'
Like, who cares?
I care even less who Jorie Graham is. Everyone looks more attractive when they are younger, your point is a feeble one.
Attractive female models don't write. They are not capable of writing. Evolution has handed them the looks but also taken away some grey matter.
But that is not the issue. The issue is : Do unattractive females hide behind 'fake, attractive pictures' as a way of luring people towards them? This 'luring' may not be something as obvious as reading their hubs or even their profile. But just simply a recognition for who they are.. a way of making themselves more attractive.
youre notion of women writers are all misplaced, figment of your mind..where did you get your assumptions anyway, way back in the 18th century???
hey myownworld: whats needed to eat so i will also get big butt too?
...thus speaks someone whose avatar is neither male nor female: but a horse. A stallion perhaps? Therefore more male in nature. Or just simply a horse? More ambiguity.
Perhaps your ambiguity suits you. However, I trust you won't mind when I apply my stereotypes to you. You may think I'm being harsh... but, if my stereotypes are false then you can very obviously falsify them by substituting your ambiguous horse by a real photo of your glamourous and svelte-like self.
ho ho ho.
stereotypes indeed.., my steelers is winning anyway...so it is ok..
you are like my third son, when he was 7 years old, we bought a tv which is rectangle the new HD, he told me, mom thats not a tv, it is not square, I advised you to go out, explore and see around you, the world is diverse and human behavior is complex, dont put people in a box,,...
I wasn't going to be too serious on this thread, but you've managed to push a couple of buttons with the above remarks.
You don't know whether there are models who write; but if, in general, a professional model doesn't write it's because she has chosen modeling as her career - not writing. It takes a certain kind of personality to want to be a model, and there are a lot of very attractive women who wouldn't want to model.
If there are any women who post other than their own picture as an avatar "as a way to make themselves look better", sometimes that's because the world does a very good job of making even attractive girls/women feel bad about themselves. Sometimes, too, attractive people have learned that going through life being particularly attractive has its hindrences when it comes to being taken seriously. And, yes, there are, of course, people who are not attractive, know it, and don't want to post their picture. That's both men and women. Then again, sometimes it isn't about attractiveness but about age or gender. Some people (often women) think they look too old, too young, or too feminine to be taken seriously. Mothers who have daughters (especially pretty AND intelligent ones, and there are plenty of them) just starting out is this world in which so many people have misguided and twisted attitudes about women like to do their part in "enlightening" people.
Your buttons haven't just been pressed but they are practically in overdrive! I can even see steam rising from them as I speak.
*Deep breath my dear* ... 1... 2... 3.... *exhale*
You do realise of course, the more forthright you become with your views the more it confirms my existing stereotypes.
Trust me, models who write, well, those who write successfully, don't exist. If they did, they would no longer be models. You can't have it all and then everything else as well. That's not how life works. What evolution gives with one hand it taketh away with the other. (haha). Models are pretty, they are models. Writers are fat, they are writers. There is seldom a crossover. Not all writers will be fat, those who aren't will be visually displeasing to the eye. (ugly)
Occasionally, very occasionally in fact - I'm even attempted to say never, but I'll cut you some slack and go with very occasionally - a svelte-like writer with irresistible glam looks will appear, but they simply don't appear in sufficient numbers to lay waste to my stereotypes. You know, I'm happy to be proved otherwise, but I know it won't happen. Is that my fault?
where are u from??? wow, I can't believe the stereotypes that are imprinted on that brain of yours. 'writers are fat, those who aren't will be visually displeasing..." you are displaying a gross sense of bias. first, not all models are brain deficient. second, not all writers are fat. third, not all writers are visually displeasing to the eye.
whether someone wants to post an avatar of their real self, a celebrity or a dragon makes no difference, it doesn't signify any of your stereotypes. I am not fat, my avatar is me, I write and know other writers who are visually pleasing to the eye.
I'm displaying a gross sense of bias?
You know what, if you could back up my 'gross sense of bias' with reputable facts that disprove my theoretical stereotypes, I would give your opinion a little more credence.
Lets establish some facts, shall we?
Hypothesis 1 - Is it possible to be both beautiful and brainy? Yes, but it's rare.
Hypothesis 2 - Is it possible to be beautiful, brainy and slender? Yes, but even rarer than the above.
Hypothesis 3 - Is it possible to be beautiful, brainy, slender and a naturally talented writer? Are you kidding me?
Hypothesis 4 - Do fat people have 'bigger' personalities than beautiful, skinny chics? This is a no contest. We all know the answer.
Hypothesis 5 - Given that a fat person has a bigger and more vibrant personality than a beautiful, skinny chic, is it possible that she also has more to say for herself in both a verbal and written form? Oooh.. you can see where I'm heading, can't you?
Hypothesis 6 - Can a fat person with a big personality and ugly face write more interestingly than a beautiful, skinny chic with no personality at all?
Therefore, the conclusion is obvious : If you're fat and/or visually unappealing to the eye your success rate in terms of successful published output is far greater than Miss super-model.
I agree with you rebekahELLE.
to stereotype is just like judging. In reality, whether ur'e beautiful or ugly, if you can write, you can write. It's a talent.
well, this is me on my avatar. And I can write. Why put someone else's pic just bcoz they're more beautiful than you? Is'nt that a heck of a deception to yourself and to others?
One way to attract serious readers is a good and reliable content, not a beautiful picture!
Jorie Graham at age approx. 45, winner of the Nobel prize for literature, and the National Book award.
Evidently, some of us weren't educated in the same circles.
It would appear your concept of what you consider to be attractive is not one I share. Jorie Graham looks a little ravaged...but not in a particular pleasant or sexy way. She looks even older than my 89 year old granny.
In your Hub " Does God live in my anus " did you conclude.
1. No he doesn't.
2. He can't as I talk out of it !!
Apparently you have a hard time catching context behind meaning. I've heard that most clutter to the middle (or a little below, depending on taste level) of the bell curve concerning many traits. I believe we've an example of a very common specimen, in my opinion.
Well my sister not only won Miss Guernsey back in 1985, and was later offered a large modelling contract on the UK mainland (which sadly she had to let go due to her having a stroke aged 28), but she has also won a number of writing competitions and art competitions, as well as still managing to have every man she ever meets falling over themselves to go out with her. She is also very well qualified educationally speaking.
I think to assume that beauty and intelligence can't mix is ridiculous. I don't pretend to be anything I'm not. Attractiveness re writing is a moot point. Who cares? It's about the content. However I can assure you that it's not only fat, ugly women who have a capacity to think or to write (or to feel).
I occasionally change avatars from one thing to another but I never represent myself as another person.
While I think there are probably a great many hubbers, and message board aficiandos who use some basic 'pretty woman' avatar instead of a simple picture of themselves that qualify your stereotype, there are plenty of people who don't.
I could care lewss if the hubmob at large finds me attractive or not and I have no idea on what others might think about my appearance. As an old broad, I don't really care that much. However, I will state that my avatar is myself.
I think it is also probable that people bizarrely tend to fan Hub authors based on some fantasy of their pseudo-identity online or their fake profile pics and so it does seem to be effective. Since for most people Hubpages is an attempt at earning, choosing to meet that criteria is somewhat understandable.
But that still doesn't mean some of us here aren't real and a woman can be attractive, smart, a good writer and even have "real feelings".
I see thst stereotype promoted around a lot, too... that attractive people couldn't possibly have deep feelings or be 'beautiful on the inside', and all that other rot. It's rot. All people have feelings, and character or ability is not determined by outward appearance, any direction.
Very well said ... I would also like to add that in Google your avatar never shows, so no ... your avatar leads no one on the web to your article. And if people visit your article and become enamored with your avatar then you won't get click ... you'll just get ogled at.
So, why use avatars at all? Avatars are an expressive art that was created to give another forum member a fixed reference of who they are speaking to, which is more readily recognizable than just a name.
So, do the good looking avatars get fanned more and do the good looking avatars get away with saying more? To a minor extent, yes, but only by those people who can't differentiate between an online persona and a real one. Still, neither of these provide a profit and 99% of us are aware that they are just avatars acting as placeholders for the real individual.
I mean really ... do we think KCC is a monkey in real life? Do we think KCC became a monkey because he thought it would garner him more attention?
Nah ... He picked the monkey because he felt it gave a good visual reference of what he was all about ... someone looking to have fun in a non-threatening way.
So, answering the original question ... I think some people chose to express themselves as beautiful women. And I'll throw in a monkey wrench to make us all really think.
In online gaming, some men chose a female character to mess with people. As such, it's always possible one of the beautiful women avatars here could actually be a man. In fact, I know of at least one here who definitely is - but he's already well known.
Finally, a quality post. And one worthy of my response. (Unlike all the pathetic tosh that went before)
However, your post is not perfect, it has some holes. Let me be so kind to point them out to you.
You're wrong to assume that character and ability isn't determined by outward appearance. Often, the way we look is a potent arbiter for the character that develops within. Being blighted by a poor external appearance (ie fat and ugly) will affect the character that is developed within. This 'developing' character may actually be a good charcater, a well rounded character and highly likeable. There is certainly a strong correlation between external ugliness and inner beauty. The external ugly knows from an early age that their appearance is unacceptable. This ugliness is compensated quite determinedly by developing the best inner character they can. Afterall, being both ugly on the outside and inside would leave the indivdual struggling in a difficult world.
Conversely, many beautiful people are bereft of depth and character. Their inner beauty has often bypassed them and set up shop in the body of a fat person. When you're beautiful on the outside, the need to develop your inner self becomes less important. Being beautiful in itself can open doors. The pressure to be more than a pretty face is not experienced if that pretty face can take you places that the fat person can only dream about.
In one sense, these are stereotypes. But they are stereotypes that endure. They endure because they contain truths. If they had no truths they would die. The truths sustain them.
This is no different to the stereotyped notion that there are far more fatty females who are dismally unattractive, yet who are successful writers, than slinky, sexy streamlined ones.
you have some serious issues if you believe what you just posted.
Don't treatise yourself with the detractors trying to disprove what you have said. After all, we both know you won't change your point of view as you have already invested much energy into it.
Instead, let's discuss what motivates you. Why is it you feel everyone must belong to a stereotype? If we are all unique, then how can we be lumped together into predefined groups? I'd like to hear your thoughts on this.
I'd go with myownworld on this one. You have a preconceived notion. In most lines of work (other than work requiring exceptional attractiveness or at least potential to be made exceptionally attractive with make-up and air brushing) there is a range of attractiveness found in people.
All this says...reading between the lines...is that you have issues with women and with good writers.
Also that you bit it, hook, line and sinker the overly glamorized, macho-ized early 20th century idea of what good writers/artists supposedly are like.
Damn I'm hurt by this post, what you are saying is either I look like a troll, or my writing is cr*p
I'd have to disagree with "and good looking females can't write."
as I have seen quite a few very pretty women who have used their real pics (I think)and they are very good writers!
Does this mean I'm really an unloved zombie and not a much adored super-model? Oh, no. Don't tell me that...
I always thought writers were thin because they're "starving artists", stayed young looking because they don't get out in the wrinkle-making sun from one day to the next, had to stay in from one day to the next in order to avoid the adoring crowds that gather whenever anyone with movie-star looks sets foot outside his door, wrote with the idea of becoming rich in order to "give back to the world"; became even more strikingly rich, famous and good looking as a result of all this wonderfulness, and had the charmingly shy personalities of introverts. Doesn't Cabin Girl's picture prove all that?
Is there a point in worrying about a comment from someone who has written a hub called " God lives up my anus ", methinks we have an attention seeker, doncha just hate those
lol...nooooo he didn't really, did he?? u are right...one shouldn't waste one's breath then....thanks for putting us back on track doc! x
I was going to read it but couldn't be assed x
LOL! well, I have a feeling this isn't over yet.....hmm....they'll be more...
(better get back to some serious writing instead!)
Anyways I gotta go, I have rented out a great dvd " Fat Balding Zombie Female Writers ", or I may just watch the X-Factor.
I thought the issue was "do men put fake pictures of pretty women up as avatars as a way of attracting more readers".
starm77, agreed. A lot of people are reluctant to post real pictures online because that can have bad consequences. Also, if someone is going to write anything that includes any personal stories in it, it can be wiser and best all around not to use a real name and face. A writer's relatives and friends may not want THEIR part in a story written under a real name/face. They aren't the writer and the person who chooses to post writing online.
let it go pretty...it's not worth arguing with people who judge your work by the way u look.....as if 'ugliness' is a disease...or something to be scorned at!
And max, just for record, that is my ACTUAL photo, minus airbrushing etc....but hell if that makes me any less of a writer, I really don't care to be read by you! so spare us please...!
(and Lisa I second that....!)
Maximus - this is really me in the photo. I kinda like the way you think. You've given me a good excuse for being fat! You can use me to prove your stereotype theory! I'm beautiful on the inside, though!
I used to be a brick house...now I'm a mansion!
A fat lady who writes and who revels in her fatness! I salute you madam! Of course you do confirm my stereotypes. But hey, it's your honesty that's appreciated.
It's an honesty that fat female writers seldom fess up to.
I love mansions, and yer beautiful.
I'm also wondering if this mazimus gy is not Usmanali reincarnated?
Can a woman who is beautiful write? Absolutely! Are people who don't post their avatars ugly? Absolutely not!
I'm told I'm a good looking guy but I don't post my real pic because I'm not here to get dates, I'm here to write.
Now, that's not to say that people who post their pic here are looking for a date, but if someone respects me it's because I write something intelligent (or funny) they can all relate to and not because they want to ogle my pic.
However, can someone who is a good looker post their own pic? If they want to be real about who they are, then I applaud that, and I don't see that as someone ploying for attention unless they do a whole picture hub on themselves.
I care nothing about the avatars and everything about the words behind them as pics can lie, but words inevitably speak the true inner core of a person's being.
as I have told you. please have a look outside...
like me for example, my avatar is a horse because I always liked to ride horses and I also collect figures of horses. I figured will put that as my avatar, no other reasons. If I put my picture there as you have said they will all read my hubs.
I dont think people are dumb here, they will read your article because youre good not because your pretty or goodlooking.
Im a chubby chaser .And like unique looking faces. Thats what i think of as beauty . as for the forum ? If my pic was a hot half naked woman .Im sure id have loads more fans and traffic on my hubs. No matter how good the writing was. Guys are silly like that.Not this guy tho.
after reading this guy...I've just given up on this thread....!
thank god I was never a fan....
Maximus, I will admit to the fat part, but not to the ugly part. Okay, guys...be kind!
Naomi Wolf, well-known feminist author. Known for her border-line glamor girl looks.
I shouldn't go here . But i will. There is a certain person who's name i wont mention .Who's head defines the word fat.And who's inside epitomizes the word ugly . And is long winded to the max.
You know what im gona say it. The person to which im referring to is maximus .Flag me Ban me . But know this i dont like you Max. And im not alone in that.
Ehhh. Just a pretty transparent guy who probably has issues with the ladies, garden variety.
Reading a few of his hubs I am of the view he is an alter-ego out on a windup quest, best option is to just don't reply !
So ... because a woman is gifted with brains and beauty she needs to opt to get by on her beauty?
Don't get out much ... do you?
I've been to writing conventions where there are plenty of beautiful women who can write. And why (when we ask) do they say they chose not to model for a living?
Typical answer given: "I could model and make money for about 5 years until younger gals take over me game, or I could write for a lifetime and be quietly rich. You're a smart boy, which would you do?"
You're male. This fact alone means your perception of those who could be a model is affected by more primitive regions of your brain, rather than a true objective analysis of those who really could be a model. Lucky you don't work for any model agencies eh?
Furthermore, a moderately attractive female will be flattered to think that someone finds her attractive and think she could be model material. The vain female responds 'Oh yes, I have considered being a model but I just don't have the time and I personally find writing a more noble pursuit' This is hogwash. There are two processes at work here : your maleness and your apparant lack of objectivity in the way your maleness is applied (Its to be expected, most men are truly genuinely dumb individuals) and the vanity level of the female which is awakened by your flattery. Neither have objectivity. This means if you think she's pretty and she thinks she's pretty then you are both doomed. You thinking she's pretty does not mean she is model-capable material. In fact, you've probably put a kiss of death on the poor girl. haha
I'm still awaiting for some solid evidence to disprove my watertight stereotypes. I guess I'm in for a long wait, eh?
That's because they are dumb and exceptionally middle-brow theories stoking up controversy.
BTW, no professional photographer uses an avatar such as yours in a claim to be a photographer. Just a general professional statement. If such a photo were used in architectural design, nobody would seek design services.
So ... what does this have to do with the original topic? We are dealing with the mindset of why someone might want to post a false pic and not whether hubbers are models or not. Me thinks thou might be a troll, merely here to add insecurities to other hubbers and gloat over stirring up the pot.
You do fit the stereotypical role as you add nothing to the conversation other than to attack the insecurities of others and make them lose self worth. So, I think my stereotype analysis of you is very complete and I encourage you to prove my 'wateright' stereotype of you wrong by showing where you have posted something that helped add to someone's self worth rather than tearing it down.
So, are you really a troll or are you being unfairly stereotyped?
Hahahah. Please excuse me while I pick myself up off the floor from laughing too much at your banality.
If you study my posts, they really are not direct personal attacks. A lot of clever thought goes into them (Obviously they are a bit too clever for you) <--- this is a direct personal attack, I just thought I should add that, so you are clear in your own mind the difference between a personal attack and my more analysed approach.
Again ... so stereotypical ... I'm amazed at your predictability.
You stopped your assault on the women to attack me, thinking I would actually care. You see, I mind when you attack others I consider friends, but with many years of online forums ... well . you could say nothing that would ruffle my feathers ... unless you care to delve into the whole evolution thing, which I believe I am over.
I understand your need to stir up the pot, and now you only have me and CG to play ... let's see how you fair? Knowing my own stereotype, I already know that I will continue to allow you to assail me, allowing others to escape your snide comments.
But that's my plan, and you appear to be a willing participant.
all of your so called facts are then stated as hypothesis?
a fact is something that is unquestionably, definitely, absolutely true.
a hypothesis is an idea that is being tested and investigated.
?? your facts are not true facts, nor will they ever be.
your hypothesis are your opinion only, try testing them.
you're not going to find them facts.
why would you want your 'facts' to be true???
they're are beautiful, gifted, talented women writers.
I suggest attending a writer's convention.
I just checked out one of myownworld's hubs. Dang! She's gorgeous, can write well, and is obviously intelligent!
thank u habee....but as I said earlier, according to max my looks only prove that I can't write....so, i suppose I should use an avatar, which would then make him believe I'm hiding an 'ugly truth'!!! (plus, every woman here is lovely in my eyes.....but what makes them more so, is the power of their words...!)
Are you aware of the egoistic nature of this post?
In your mind you think you're beautiful.
When some sycophant here tells you you're beautiful you silently coo.
"according to max my looks only prove that I can't write" - I said nothing of your appearance, this is your assumption. Reading between the lines - this is what you're saying, not through the use of your words but your picture : 'Secretly, I think I'm beautiful, I will use my picture as confirmation of my beauty'...but when your picture is challenged, not directly, but through the use of your words, your vanity is ignited, so yes, perhaps you really should use an avatar image. Certainly so, if it means you are less vain.
Everyone is slightly vain. And it isn't necessarily a bad trait. Of course myownworld is quite pretty. YOU are aware that most (I'd say) women are aware of their attractiveness level and type, right? Especially if they are particularly sensitive writers?
Maybe some people have a sense of these things and some people don't. Beginning to feel a bit bad for you now.
Max you Saw myownworlds post . Im seeing habees post and its got me seeing red. You Got her thinking like you.Bad about herself , her looks her writing and her intelligence. Are you proud of your self ? Are you blind to the damage your vomit of words can do? are you some kind of self consumed monster? whats wrong with you man!
I'm beginning to get bored of all your judgements here.....on women using avatars, women using real pics, those who can write being fat, those who can't being vain....I don't think u have any idea how senseless it all sounds! but hell, if it makes u feel better to insult everyone around here, and relish in it, go ahead! I for one, have had enough!
HABEE DANGIT . Looks into your eyes .Pulls you close and hugs the dickens out of you. Forget all the shes . I see the beauty in you. Got it ?
My avatar is me...certainly not beautiful but it is me.
Can I just say to all you ladies as a truly genuinely dumb individual I am sorry for awakening all your vanity levels, jeeez what have I unleashed ?
Why are you getting so worked up by a guy that can't write unless you are overawed by the fact God came out of his ass !
lol cabingirl stole my idea see that jery now track her progress to get your answer
Omg it gets worse, I just finished reading all about his sexploits with a virtual hole, don't ask, you really don't want to know but why this guy is even talking about writing is beyond me, god up his ass and poking a virtual hole, I am locking my bedroom door
ROFL! (atleast, the air has cleared a little...!)
now what about this hole, virtual or otherwise...? hmm...let me see....
Hes probably using it right now, I worry about the deviants this site attracts, my Mum warned me about the internet
I read it. Basically cyber sex with a doll orifice... Guy is missing the point on several, several levels. lol
I Havent like max from the start i wont add traffic to his account. im a very civil guy . but in this case civility amounts to complicity. I dont just stand by and say nothing anymore. if you like check my hub titled guilty by association.
Hahaha I just read it.
It's just all too typical to believe.
A guy who has "mastered" online dating and proceeds to act is if he possesses all of the knowledge on beautiful girls, all the while writing avidly about virtual sex toys.
Too funny hehehe
You seem to be taking things a little too seriously my friend. Furthermore, don't you have an opinion of your own? You know, something unique that doesn't fit into a view that you 'think' you should have? Something that extends beyond yourself? Perhaps I'm expecting a little too much from you here. lol
and here I thought we were talking about stereotypes...
What do you think a stereotype is??
I'm guessing that convieniently you for these thin model/fat writer stereotypes don't cover men as well? Because I would love to know which you'd place yourself under.
model's can't write? or they are not intelligent? and good writers are fat and ugly? hmmm,
How and why on earth is your thinking work that way??
I haven't seen you reply to my opinions yet or you busy elsewhere ?
I really don't know why these lovely ladies even feel the need to reply or explain themselves to someone like this. The whole argument is as silly as his 4 hubs, so my guess is make a scene on here and gain attention. And he has, must say though his God up the ass is deff better than a poke at a false vagina, only just though !
Oh hes a running on the defence now, after all his calling people fat etc hes throwing in the please don't personally attack me, I am telling teacher, go sort it out !
And that from someone going on about someones vanity lol, it gets worse !
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