Sandra Rinck is a racist unfairly judging black people and their viewpoints of President Obama. Apparently, since we are black we have no intelligence to freely think for ourselves, since we black people only support him based off his color. Is that how we black hubbers are expected to be treated by white hubbers like Sandra?
I have not seen or heard from Sandra, but i can't believe racists would be tolerated here! I hope they find her soon.
Look, the moment we have the right to free speech taken away from us is the day that we should all cut our wrists - we may as well do this now cos we arent allowed to piss without permission these days! However, it is our responsibiltiy to educate and through example help people that are racist to see a different view.
The point that I am making, is it is just as bad to condemn someone, whatever their view - whether we agree or disagree, as those that do the condemning of people that may be different in their view.
Life is about respect and tolerance to each other. We are accountable for our own actions and not that of others.
p.s. I dont think I have come across anyone here that has been racist. x
I'm sad? No, I'm mad and she is a racist pig so now what? More insults towards me for standing up against racism???
ok this is just getting ugly so i am not going to comment anymore.
She is what she is. People who believe in abortions are called baby killers, well Sandra Rinck is no exception. She was called out for what she is. Racism isn't a pretty picture cagsil. Racism is a dark, hardcore, evil picture. There is nothing pretty about Sandra Rinck's line of racist questioning.
there are ways and means for standing up for rights... it is about debate and education. Don't you get my last comments?
You shouldn't have to, it's ridiculous and as far as dealing with it, ignore it, those views are just plain ignorant, you are not.
I really wouldn't take what she says all that seriously.
Well, somehow I guess I'm suppose to appreciate that comment. However, I still do not find it very comforting.
Was my comment offensive about which kids watch more politics?
How do you expect to talk about anything if you are so racially defensive and sensitive in everything? I think you are just looking for reasons to call people racist.
Wrong! I'm not even talking about you. I think you just want so attention, since your comments are being ignored. How about you find yourself another science project to get into trouble over.
Why are you scared to answer my questions? Do you prefer acting like an animal? Why do you think i'm doing a science project?
This country has a long way to go and Hubpages is only a symptom of it. There are plenty of Hubbers who are not racist. That is I'm not saying Sandra is, but she could be indirectly acting racist based on who she listens to and takes seriously.
It seems you are making a lot of accusations and yet not showing us any evidence. Plus, you might wish to proofread before you write about how smart you are. (I just hate when I make that mistake!)
Anyway, they have rules bout everything. Mind you, we don't generally read the rules but they are there.
Do you get paid by the amount of times you use the word racist?
Yeah, sigh all you want. It is what it is.
Now if you would like to address my actions in a more appropriate manner, referring to me using the racist word, why don't you ask me not to say it anymore. Why don't you kindly let me know I've made my point. Or am just an animal in a gorilla cage to you and your rolling sighs.
Why didn't you ask Sandra to explain? Why didn't you try to understand what she meant? Why didn't you just chill out before jumping to such a bold conclusion?
There is an appropriate way to deal with things. You are taking this too far RK. Chill out.
I guess I'm the only one who would move on to other hubbers if I felt that someone was being racist.
Is that a question or a statement? If you are trying to make the point that she said something racist then you have failed miserably! Just admit you could not carry on a debate with the little knowledge that you have, that would be refreshing, calling racist when you don't get your way is so yesterday!
wow. you don't really think this, do you?
anyway, Sandra was really nice about it. if you started a thread about me, calling me a "racist pig", oh...
Lady, she is a racist pig. So deal with it. And we all could care less what you would or wouldn't do. That is not relevant to the situation at hand and to the racist line of questioning on the behalf of Ms. Rinck.
actually poetlorainne mentioned we should apologize to you, when i think Sandra is the one owed an apology, which is why i brought that up.
when White people comment on the President's color, they get called racist. why is that? i have seen countless Black people comment on what it means to Black people to have a Black man get elected. they "make it about color".
RKH - I thought you were a decent person and I still do, but this is simply ridiculous. Sandra Rinck is not a racist! You know that very well.
Oh Sandra Rinck is half Am half Filipina, did she blatantly said that, I dont think she will say that???
no way is Sandra a racist. you do realize this is an inflammatory post, don't you?
i voted for Obama. but i am not happy with him and even tell people i am sorry i voted for him. does that make me a racist?
Is she not? Well then I apologise... I haven't seen any of her posts, of course I don't agree with racism, so should there be racists here I would not be happy... But if she isn't then where are the accusations coming from?
She thinks that black people only like Obama because we are black. That's not racism? It racism to a tee.
Well.. why dont people actually ask her? Dont attack her, just debate and understand. x
I think it's maybe wrong, but it's not really that bad is it? Lighten up my friend
You think it might be bad... You think I should lighten up..........
Brother, I'm not all white so there is no "lighting up" over racist remarks from a racist pig.
no, actually, it's not.
at the inauguration, Black people were interviewed in the streets, and they said it was a great day for America, and for them. they commented that that was specifically why they voted.
it's a fine line. if you speak frankly about any issues regarding Black people, this is what happens - you get labeled a racist, when you are just stating fact. Michelle Obama herself said upon the election she was "finally proud of her country". no one called her a racist or separatist, even.
Oh, so now we are stating factual facts concerning black peoples ability to constructively choose a President- color or not.
The numbers don't lie! That was the best example of "block voting" I've ever seen! Look it's ok to pull for your team but be honest about it!
Misha, I hear ya dude. I do. But her question was SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo out of line. It is as clear as a form of racism can get. But I hear you. I know it seems like I'm over the top on this, but man racism like that............... there is just no room for it. She was wrong in asking that type of question. Seriously wrong.
no one is denegrating Black people. good grief.
Sarah Palin attracted a lot of female voters because she was a woman. no one called them rabid feminists.
you seem like a nice man.
it's unfortunate that you think this about her.
RK- it appears you got a little racist with your 'KKK' and 'lets stand around burning crosses in black peoples yards' biz raz. Calm down-
You need to stop RK, I am not racist and you are making other people think I am racist or something. For everyone else who is already saying that I am, this is what happened.
This was not a racist comment. I was wondering if RK thought that Obama was losing support because he is black. This is the opposite of being racist since racism is intolerable to me.
So I do take this offensively.
I just went through the thread and nothing that Sandra said was racist. She asked a legit question, "Do you think people dislike Obama because he is black?"
There is noting racist about asking that question. I'm sorry that you feel that way RK. But if you're basis of Sandra being racist is on that comment then I believe you should reconsider.
I saw it and see it in a completely different light. Why should color even be a factor? You read the thread, what was the purpose of the question if not to discredit based off color.
To me, and for many of my fellow black twitter and SMS friends, they too see it my way. So how can it be that she was so right, and all us black folk so mistakin'? I do appreciate your voice, it is very well said and worth mulling over. However, do forgive if I don't have the stomach for dealing with racist pigs like her.
RK, Seriously, this thread is getting ridiculous (which is the only reason I am now voicing my opinion). I do not agree with some of the things she said in that other forum--I did read through it--and it was vicious. BUT, that being said, nothing she said was racist. She is just acting out as a disgruntled American who needs to blame a public figurehead for the state of our economy. May I also remind everyone that this happened just as violently with Bush in office, yet we didn't have all these racist comments about his term. I believe she VOTED for Obama--therefore she doesn't appear to be racist...she's just angry with how everything has turned out since then. I think the question is just that, a question, being white doesn't automatically make us racist against other ethnicities, just curious as to how other African Americans feel about Obama and how he is handling the presidency thus far--if they truly feel he is doing a good job and not just sticking up for him because he's the first black in office. I don't know, this is just my ranting, but after this huge blowup we had here in Boston a few months back with a Harvard professor screaming racism I find this behavior ridiculous. There's no need to call out and wave the racist flag just because a "white person" questions a "black person's" actions in office. Just put it to rest.
Because it is a legit question. There are some people, the "racist pigs" that you talk about that hate Obama just because he is black. She was asking you if you thought there were people like that. Asking you that question is not racist at all. There was no intention of discrediting Obama based on race. The thread was about the positives, and you trying to put a good spin on things (good intention by the way ). And then people started hating again. And everyone has there reasons, Sandra was asking you if you felt that him being black was a motive for some people.
It is not hers. There was no intention.
It would be like you asking me, "Cole, do you think people hate Hilary because she's a chick?"
The proper answer, "Yes, I think there are some people like that, and they are pigs"
We all took it as if she was questioning my foresight and support for Obama based off his color. And after re-reading it, we all still feel that way. She was being racist. And contrary to what others say- I was not looking to find a racist today.
Getting to admit I was wrong on this account is not going to happen. I'm right. I'm right to stand up against her racist behavior. I'm right to point her out. I'm right about her character on being a racist. Maybe she's a closet racist, who doesn't come out very often and most the time everybody likes her. Well, she's still a racist.
I'm not the one who made my color a factor here. It was out of line, and could have been handle as a misunderstanding. But no she had to go and try to belittle me, over and over and cover up her poor line of racist questioning. Well like I said, "Not on my watch." She's not going to get by belittling me, after SHE made a racist remark, to cover up her tracks. It doesn't work that way here, out there, any where.
We can't really know what someone's intentions were but we can control how we react to it. If someone offends us, we can ignore it knowing they probably did it ignorantly or we can allow them to upset us and make the matter worse. I recently did just that and now have to look over my shoulder because someone acted racist towards me. It isn't worth it - better to just ignore the whole thing IMHO. Aloha!
Here is something that might solve the whole problem. YOU say you are Black. I'll take your word on that.
However, Obama is bi-racial. He is NOT Black. Therefore, the whole topic is flawed and everyone can go back to writing hubs.
Sandra has every right to be offended by your accusation. It is very far fetched and stems from a misunderstanding. Do you really think she is warranted of such a bold title?
people don't need to be called or labeled anything. words pretty much speak for themselves. when anyone starts spewing hateful remarks, I stop listening.
the political and religious forums, in my opinion, are the dark alleys of HP. I've never read such hateful, demeaning remarks anywhere.
you know what, if someone is offended by a comment and they feel it is a racist comment, as this guy does, then all we need to do is apologise.......
I can understand where he is coming from, why someone would be offended and why maybe another would not. He is offended, so why not just say sorry, it was not meant. I have to do that all the time, I work with people of different races, and sometimes they take a comment the wrong way.
I would be very upset if someone thought i was racist, as i really am not, are you?
Why apologize when nothing racist was said?
you can apologise because they thought it was said, why not
It was racist. Racist to the core. Racist, and I stood up to it. I should not have to be crucified for standing up to racism. I stood up to it.
RK, you know if it was a racist comment I would be the first one here to tell Sandra that it wasn't appropriate. But few here are backing up your belief. Why not call it what it is? A misunderstanding.
If you are offended by what she said and refuse to see it any other way... whatever. But calling someone a "racist" is serious, and you are out of line. Sorry, but thats just how I feel.
And unlike yourself, I respect your feelings.
You stood up and made a fool of yourself, I guess that counts for something. Good job
Are you blind and don't see which side deserves and apology here?
everywhere i go now, i'll start apologizing for stuff i didn't do. omg haha that's funny.
Who is "We"?
I still don't see how you found that offensive. Then how you got all of that out of a question. Then how you took all of that and got her motive and ideas. Then how you took those motives and ideas and labeled her a racist. Sorry, but I just don't.
You should have just asked, "Sandra, what did you mean by that?" and then responded with "You know I'm not sure if you meant it this way, but it is offensive to me if that was your intention."
My pet peeve, people who can't communicate effectively.
RK make it work.
Thanks Misha. Love the new pic! I got to meet a killer whale once, "Shamu" (not her real name) she was amazing! I got to feed her fish and meet her new baby.
But anyways, yeah my pet peeve is people without patience, and those who can't communicate effectively. It is the most frustrating thing in the world. But I keep my cool
Oh I'm sorry, Sandra's offensive line of questioning is making it's way across this great country of ours. So when I say we, I'm referring to the 100 or so black people at my apartment, tapped into my line viewing everything that is being said. See, to us black people, people like her are worth mentioning in certain circles. Circles that don't include racist rhetoric in any color or flavor.
We also find it real ironic how Sandra warned RKHenry about being banned from HubPages, because of her racist line of questioning. What do you think on this matter?
I'm wondering if McCain had been elected with 96% of the white vote if RKHenry would have been asking the question " Did whites vote for McCain because he is white ? "...
Whenever 96% of ANY group votes alike there is a perceived prejudice...Sandra was asking a reasonable question and your response was emotionally vapid and without merit...I'm even sensing a little racism emanating from you...crying " racist pig " is only validating your ignorance...
Mister, who ever you are it should never be about color. The fact that YOU people still view the political world in color, is what alarms black folks like me, myself, I.
RK you are taking peoples words and completely misunderstanding them. They are speaking about what happens, not what they do.
Do some women vote for another woman just because of their gender? Yes.
Do some people vote for people of the same race? Yes.
It sucks, and those people suck But it happens.
You need to separate what you're reading and what they people who said it actually do themselves.
Seems you are the one seeing in color and I am a bit tired of hearing how prejudice we white people are.
Why so sensitive about your color?
When people say I'm white I say "Yes I Am"
Every time a black comedian stands up, it's whitey this and whitey that" But let one of us do it and it is because we are racist....
When we love who we are..people's words don't hurt as much.
Why don't you all acknowledge he isn't Black? Once you do that everything else falls apart and we can all go back to writing hubs.
If you want to talk to Rolan, he's outside catching some air. You know, we rally fast in the face of racism, especially us educated ones.
Yeah you people, all those who have mentioned color, you people. Why do you have to bring color into the mix. That's where the crap loads lies, is with you and your coat of colors; white, black, tan, purple...
But let's all be reminded Rolan didn't bring up color, YOU just did it again.
Um, not to be a Buzz Killington here, but, shouldn't this thread be dead and buried by now? Seriously?
Do you get what I'm saying? Maybe not You can think that the way you took her comment was offensive. But do you think maybe you took it a little far? Respect is for people who can admit when they are wrong...
An offensive (seemingly to you) comment is different than a racist person? Is it not?
What's too far? Calling her out? No, I didn't take it too far. You know- as I told hauty, I done here. I find it mind boggling how I'm the one run over the mill for her behavior. Hauty, I'm still a decent person. So I stand up against racism, how does that make me a lesser person? I stood up to racism, and I'm crucified? I stood up to racism.
No Henry, it doesn't. I said I still think you are a decent person. But calling someone a racist based upon one such comment and starting a thread about it? Let's just leave it at that then. Everybody makes mistakes. We all blow it all the time. So I don't think Sandra would even want you to apologize. But you could probably take what you said back.
Actually you are a shame of the whole black race RK. Oh, and Jewish race, too.
Take it back Misha. No sense in starting things by jumping to conclusions and making ridiculous accusations. I hate adults.
I'm gonna be a pediatrician...
LOL This is not the first time he is doing that.
Misha, what is with you? Why do you hate me for standing up against something I think is so evil? Why all the hateful comments towards me?
what is evil? ok what is the opposite to evil? E V I L = L I V E...
So if you dont live a life, you stagnate and stand still - you neither move on or go back.. you are stuck. This is evil. To LIVE means to move on.. to learn .. to live and to love.
Move on from racism.. teach by example and forgive the ignorant for they know not what they do.
I think you are being too sensitive about the issues of concern and it is better to move on and live life rather than get hung up over mere misunderstandings through communications that can be easily misinterpreted.
With love... go and teach, live and love x
It is not hateful RK, and I don;t hate you. Normally you are an interesting and nice person to converse. But time to time something happens to you, and then you become quite an - ummm - unpleasant to converse person. Now is one of those times unfortunately. Just stop it, you've gone way too far. This is my last post on both threads.
No RK, you didn't "stand up to racism"
You made a ridiculous accusation and then repeatedly name-called a person who didn't deserve it. You are not getting crap for standing up, you're getting crap for jumping to conclusions.
TO me, For ME, it was not a conclusions, but a direct offensive action. I didn't jump to nothing, I didn't jump. I stood up to a racist comment.
This is how I feel. This is how I see it. This is what I think.
Racism, and the hate I feel froming doing what I know in my soul to be right, by most of you- is enough. I'm done. And Misha... I'm sorry for whatever I did in another life or this life, that has caused you to behave so poorly towards me. I'm sorry for that Misha, and I wish you well.
For me, it is racism,
For me, she is a racist.
Beat me up fine............
You all like her fine............
You all feel the need to defend her and show her love>>>>>>>>>>
Fine, I get that. Uncle Tom I will be, I submit.
oh my gosh
i don't know why you think people think this way. "Uncle Tom"?
that is a heavy trip to lay on yourself man.
i grew up in a place that can only be described as the slums of beverly hills. you know, on the outskirts of really wealthy, posh neighborhoods. all the kids, i mean all, were blonde and blue-eyed. it was like something out of 'Village of the Damned'.
anyway, they were all really rich. we were poor. i mean no-food-no-electricity-hovel-living poor. plus we all had dark hair and since we played outdoors all the time, we were nice and tanned from the sun. and we had a Spanish surname on top of that, since my father was part Mayan, right? we got called all kinds of horrible things. one time a teacher, who was a definite racist, paraded me in front of the whole class saying how "Mexicans, Indians and Negroes all have lice". and i wasn't any of those. and i didn't have lice. i was very clean. poor but clean. i told my dad and he visited the school, bypassing the office and going straight to my classroom, where he calmly ripped that teacher to shreds with eloquent words, and he never bothered me again, and he apologized to me and to the class.
my point is, you can't let your life experiences make you prejudge someone else. i can tell a racist from a mile away, and Sandra ain't one of them.
you seem like a cool guy. i would fan you but you would think i am just doing it to alleviate my white guilt or something.
I don't care. It is stupid to make bold conclusions when none of us know each other here. Stupid.
Fine... I'm down.
Fine... I'm wrong.
It never stops, and Uncle Toms we all must run and hide to be.
Misha, I don't get you. I don't my man. You've hurt me. You've done this several times before. I don't get your hate for me. But I'm done.
Sandra is not a racist. She's angry. She voted for Obama and feels duped.
We have all been duped by people in government. Your country isnt the only one... we have a prime minister who hasnt even been voted in! So who are the mugs here then?
We are all to namby pamby scared to stand up to em, black, white or indifferent! Ive tried to revolt but one person cant do it on their own. It takes a population. WE HAVE NO LIBERTY OR FREEDOM but everyone is too wrapped up in their own problems and pace of life to fight it or even know it.
Joe Strummer of the clash said 'I fought the law, but the law won!'... he was right!
Our kids are kept under control.. their behaviour is batted down because they take all their anger out on the video games, so adolescent anger is disapaited. Our youth help society add diversity, whether it is deemed correct or not! Remember CND, the punks in the 70s? Now the youth cant be asked with all that rebellion. They take that out on gaming. Of course governments are happy with this! Cos that is a section of population controlled.
Then you get us... bogged down with mortgages, in debt and trying to pay our bills. We are too effing busy to protest!
Our older people are too knackered to be bothered.
This equals total control on our society!
According to the Oxford English Dictionary, racism is a belief or ideology that all members of each racial group possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially to distinguish it as being either superior or inferior to another racial group or racial groups.
The Merriam-Webster's Dictionary defines racism as a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority or inferiority of a particular racial group, and that it is also the prejudice based on such a belief.
Now based on your comments as to what Sandra said and the definitions above. You tell me, is she a racist? I don't see it.
By the way you should look at some of the latest polls. There is some disturbing data out there.....
Can we stop the division of "us" and "them", we are all Hubbers.
rk, you need to do as everyone is suggesting. take a chill pill, run everyone out of your room, and think about all of this with a clear mind, open eyes, and no outside influence.
you allowing your neighbors to post here (as appears to be the case) is doing you no favors.
if you've been following sandra's hubs on obama, then you know she is not a racist. her comments are political in nature, as yours should be. leave race out if it and we'll all get along just a bit better.
referring to your "lovely black arse" does little to validate anything you say about someone or accuse them of being.
oh, and grow up.
The videos posted by Sandra are all false. They were proven to be stuff people did before the President was elected to turn people against him. All of them.
However Sandra posted it because I guess she believes what was said. It does not show racism.
My husband and I voted for the President. My husband liked him so much we collected about 20 of the "Change" and "yes we can" posters after the election. We are both a bit disappointed now. However the President has a mess left by another President to clean up. It takes more then a year to do so.
Also most have forgotten that not only is the President half white, but he was raised by a white mother and white grandparents. So how is it that because she no longer likes him and thinks he is dumb, that it is racism?
Well, dont you think we are all duped with politicians? They are only intereste in feathering their own nest! Liars, Cheats and up for a position in history. Whatever they are ... black, white, mixed.. doesnt matter .. human behaviour is human behaviour! More fool us to believe in their promises.. lmfao!
Yeah! See? They put extra letters in your words.
Whats that got to do with what I wrote?
I dont know what happened here...*confused*
I wrote a book review on Palin's book. The review I wrote was directly derived from what was in the book. Several people said I was being stupid. They said, 'well she still said those stupid things and the video doesn't lie." They said, you can take her word for it or I can believe what she said that I can observe with my own eyes and ears.
I said, well. I see the point but I also read the book. So talk to me after you have read the book and then we can have a real discussion.
So the irony, is that I thought well, okay. Since just taking people's written word for it, I will use video to make a point because they said. I will believe what I can observe with my own eyes and ears.
While some of the videos are before he became president. He still said what he said. So what we have here isn't whether or not the videos are false because they are still videos of Obama unless there is an importer out there, they are still his words.
Now after he has become president all the previous allegations are proving themselves true. So you can say what you want but it doesn't change what he said.
yes, well, all politicians like to do this. It is no suprise, they lie, get in to a position of power then abuse all the working classes. There is nothing racist ... it is about human behaviour... power corrupts.. absolute power corrupts absolutley!
Every one of the videos you have on your site are those where people took what he said at different times and put them together. It was done before the election by Anti-Obama folks to persuade others not to vote for him.
Go here and read the 50 lies then scroll down for the truth
Get more facts here
It is Obama speaking from several different times, then all his words were put together to form other sentences and paragraphs. The videos are fake. It's called technology. These videos are of poor quality and very easily seen as fake.
You know like in horror movies where they stick knives into people..those are fake too but of better quality then the Obama videos.
Most others know this..
And I doubt you can get the President impeached.
Wow. I just don't know what to say.
I'll say this on the racism thing: I think most white Americans, myself included, have racist feelings. I also think most white Americans are not overtly racist.
Race is such a complicated issue in our society. I think our reactions to people with other skin colors is largely programmed into us before we know the words "black" or "white".
So a person can have no quibble with black people, can be overtly not racist, believe that black people are totally equal to white people in every way, and still harbor negative feelings at the subconscious level, toward black people.
American society is also structured against black folks. Just look at poverty rates and sentencing disparities. If you are born black in America you have one strike against you already. If you are black and poor you have two strikes.
I don't think that what Sandra said in the other forum thread was explicitly racist at all. RK might, after he calms down a bit, be able to explain to us why he feels it is racist, and there might be something to what he is saying.
I do think that Obama's election is forcing us all to look at race again in a way that we haven't since the 60s. Most white people seem to think that racism ended with the passage of the civil rights act. Think again. And the election of the first black skinned president didn't end racism either.
I'm sure you feel that this is how all white people think because YOU think that way, you have not described me at all.
Yes, I'm sure if someone asks you'll tell them how you have many black friends and you're not racist at all.
No, nobody ever asks me if I have black/brown/purple friends. I think most people just let others live and don't try to label others, not you of course, but most people.
I never labeled anyone as anything. If you want I can dig up some scientific papers on implicit racism in America.
No need to provide proof of your feelings I think we all get it.
Well, point me to where I labeled you a racist.
Look, none of this is important to me, I never said you labeled me as a racist. You put out there that you have some racist feelings and thats ok, I just said that I do not have those feelings and no amount of scientific data is going to convince me that I do.
Then let's talk about why Obama gets slammed when he hasn't done half the things that Bush did. Bush was in office for 8 years. Sept. 11 happened on his watch. He destroyed the surplus that Clinton left and drove the country into a level of debt not seen since world war 2. He lied to get us into the Iraq war. The patriot act passed under his watch. Americans tortured POWs and disappeared innocent civilians during his administration. The government spied on American citizens who were not connected to terrorism during his administration.
And let's not forget that the worst recession since the Great Depression was well under way before we even knew that Obama would be the Democratic candidate.
So why is Obama labeled as the person who is a closet Muslim who wants to destroy America?
First, there was never a surplus, there has never not been a deficit, the Congress balanced the budget a REPUBLICAN Congress. Now I am not a Republican so don't expect me to defend Bush, but Obama in his short time has managed to outspend Bush who had two terms. If Bush lied to get us into a war with Iraq then so did Clinton,Gore,Pelosi,Reid they all said that Hussein had weapons of mass destruction.
Let me say that Clinton was the one who opened up the flood gates by reducing the defense budget. It happened on Bush's watch. Bush passed the Patriot Act as a defense (which I didn't like and still don't like) Obama reinstated the Patriot Act, he cut budget defense money again.
And he is not a closet Muslim, he is openly Muslim and addressing other countries as a Muslim nation.
I think you need to take a close hard look at religion before you waving it off as paranoia. Just because you don't believe doesn't mean that others don't.
I understand the complications with religion and how very real it is to other people and what lengths people to to preserve their faith. And it does not help Obama's cause, in my eyes when he says, "religions should not make policy" but in his address to Cairo he had no problem saying, "I want to help Islam fulfill their religious obligations."
He is not a closet Muslim no matter what you think. You might not believe in any such religion and accept them all. But you need to take into account that most religious folks take it all for truth.
Now you have a religious war which Obama himself claimed. You want me to open my eyes William? I myself don't beleive a lot of things but when it comes to religion, there is good reason to take it seriously.
I hope I haven't further offended you. But the point does need to be made and people should know what he says. Forget about what is going on in the economy because that is small beans compared to what sits on the horizon.
I didn't get to all of your post, so here I go. The Patriot act was not a big issue with me. Tortured prisoners, some water on their faces is a lot less than what I would have done, so no problems there. This recession isn't even as bad as what the Carter administration gave us. I didn't label him as a Muslim.
Sandra - you posted a video of Bin Laden on your hub. You took what the voice over said as what bin Laden actually said, and then you used those supposed words of bin Laden to attack the President.
You used a faked video to associate the Commander in Chief of the armed forces with Osama bin Laden.
I don't know if that's racist, but it does offend me.
You seem to be so blinded by your hatred of Obama that you'll take whatever you can to slime him. Why is this? Did Bush get the same treatment from you? Because he sure as hell lied, and he sure as hell drove this country into debt deeper than it's been since World War 2. Were you associating Bush with bin Laden?
Not exactly true. They were to make points about the rest of the video which I don't think you looked at because you were so offended by the firs video.
I didn't write them so that everyone would so oh happy happy! But they were to make a point.
To bring Bush is misleading. You can say Bush did so many horrible things, were were you. Why didn't you write about him with the same effort. Truthfully, I think you bring it up because he didn't get impeached which is what so many people wanted.
But the same attitude is possessed today regarding Obama. Some are offended that I used a video of Bin Laden but never went any further into the hub to see the point.
Others are offended with me saying that people need to contact their representatives with their allegations whatever they may be if you want him out of office.
And for why? Some people have somehow equated my civil action as hateful when in my eyes I see two things.
I see a lot of nations up in arms and for me, the only peaceable way to diffuse the situation is to simply contact your reps to have him impeached.
So I got comments where people don't really want to address the situation but would rather just say "your stupid and evil and your a hater." When really, I am doing what I believe to be the right alternative to violence.
When you have people insisting that a revolution is necessary and that a civil war is inevitable... So I will take the peaceful road.
Because believe it or not, when you bring religion to the forefront of your speeches representing the Islamic faith as America's religion...
We have a problem.
Sandra I will look at the other videos in your hub. You are right, I was so pissed off when I saw that first video and what you wrote about it that I discounted the rest.
I still find it offensive that you did that. If you meant something different then perhaps you should revisit and edit a bit to be more clear.
I do commend you for recommending peaceful means of change. However, I still have to wonder whether you were so passionate about getting Bush impeached.
Racism is created through the ego. Racism comes through segregation of culture, religion and colour of skin. yet beneath ideologies, genetics and ego thought processes we are all working toward one goal....Freedom!
The only way humanity can overcome prejudice and self interest is by letting go of the ego controlling mind.
Jesus referred to the commandment
'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and Love your neighbor as yourself.'
What he referred to here is simple.
If you welcome god into your heart you will naturally welcome thy neighbour into your heart.
Those who choose to be racists cannot claim to know god. To know god you must not only love god but you must love thy neighbour too.
Calling somebody a racist is serious business in this day and age, it's akin to being called a pedo. Muck sticks and shouldn't be thrown around lightly.
A person who has suffered from racism needs no definition of the word. I think RK knows, but all I can add to the thread is; don't tell fish stories where the people know you; but particularly, don't tell them where they know the fish. RK, I really don't think she is a racist, but hate is pretty strong for anyone to use against any sitting president.
Did you just ignore everything said and focus on that? Have a good evening
Well, yes, I did ignore everything else because Obama is not openly or covertly Muslim!
What else is there to say?
well, william, your last question there just about sums it up...
Well, considering he asked me quite a few questions about what I thought on many things, I assumed he would have stuck with with me rather than fly off to some other persons statement. So, there was quite a bit to say, thanks for your support.
More info here:
http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/11/ev … nt-charts/
Nice graph, who was the President in 2009,except for the first 19 days? Good job!
Yes, and who was the president for the prior eight years? Obama walked into the recession in progress. He didn't bring it about.
His policies have made the recession worse, they will continue to make it worse. If all you got is "Bush did it" then this little back and forth is done, sorry you cannot accept the role Obama has played in this.
Ok. Prove your assertions. What did Obama do to make the recession worse?
Wow, Oh I don't know, just the talk of health care and cap and trade has soured many an investor (such as myself) from wanting to invest. Talk of tax raises does not promote a feeling of security in many people, do you remember the 787 Billion dollar stimulus? It ain't stimulatin! Jobs are shedding because those who create jobs don't want to spend the money in OBAMA"S RECESSION! Its been fun, but if you don't know anymore than what you have shown, I'm outa here!
Congress passed the bank bailout (TARP), which was 700 billion dollars, under Bush. The recession kept on deepening after he did this.
Bush also cut funding for the SEC, whose job it is to investigate financial fraud. Republicans in Congress (one of whom, Phil Gramm, was an advisor to John McCain during his run for president. Gramm also called America "a nation of whiners" in the early days of the recession) Republicans in Congress made changes to the Glass Steagall act that had been in place since the Great Depression. These changes allowed banks to play fast and loose with your money, and that's where we got fancy things like collateralized debt obligations made up of bundled adjustable rate mortgages.
The banks invested a lot of money in these fancy derivatives, and loaned out a lot of money based on the incredible profits they were making. Credit was incredibly cheap during the Bush years. In fact our whole nation runs on credit.
Then in the waning years of the Bush presidency, lots of those ARMs started to come due. People started defaulting. The CDOs of bundled mortgages that were so profitable suddenly started to look bad. Investors started to ask for their investments back. Banks began to tighten up on their credit.
This recession started as a credit crunch. Banks stopped lending. Businesses in America depend on credit to buy inventory and make payroll.
This recession is a credit recession. Businesses are laying off because they don't have the money to hire people because the banks aren't lending anymore.
Obama has very little to do with it. The only thing he could have done would be to spend even more on infrastructure projects, or find some other way to create jobs so that people would be able to buy things and not default on their mortgages.
Obama can't force the banks to lend, and until they start lending again, this country will be in the doldrums. The only thing that will get banks to start lending again is confidence in the American economy. Considering that the Chinese and Saudis are talking about calling in the loans that they made to us (during the Bush years), that's going to be hard to do. Again, Obama has very little to do with it.
This is a global recession that was decades in the making. Stop blaming Obama. If McCain had been elected things would have been much worse.
Wish we had the option to delete our own posts
Well... maybe you are right. But from what I've seen, many of the banks that received TARP money and stimulus money have still refused to loosen up their credit.
y'all just need to go write hubs.
obama is NOT black which means all the rest of the conversations just fell to pieces
What does his being or not being black have to do with anything?
well, in the perfect world it would have nothing to do with anything.
in this thread, it's everything.
in case you hadn't noticed.
I have noticed that the thread was started by a racist and some posters are spewing racist thoughts, but that doesn't answer why the Presidents ethnic origin has anything to do with a discussion about him. I personally think he is a joke, I would think that if he were, say, a blue dog.
On an eight page thread about racism based around comments made regarding Obama, I'd say pretty much everything.
It wasn't about comments made towards Obama, you're on page 8 and you haven't figured that out?
Guess so, I get tired of reading bullshit after a while and drift off, but his name certainly seemed to be mentioned an awful lot for somebody who has nothing to do with any of it.
IF he is not Black--and he is NOT--then the original question isn't even valid!
Again, try and follow along, its not a thread about Obama.
"Here is a line from the original post:
Sandra Rinck is a racist unfairly judging black people and their viewpoints of President Obama."
Again, IF we acknowledge Obama is NOT Black then this whole forum would not be valid and therefore you people could stop arguing and try to write hubs.
Yeah but he's got dark skin, a funny soundin name, and he says Arab soundin words sometimes when he's talkin bout them towelheads.
Man, you really need to get over your hate, it will eat you up inside.
I am pretty sure that was sarcasm. Anyway, y'all enjoy pissing away your time when ya could be writing.
Mine was sarcasm also, so glad everyone is on the ball tonight!
What is the fascination with everybody elses Hub writing?
That's just what we do here. I just think it's silly when people who seem to have something to say go into forums and go on and on on tangents when they could put it all to better use in a hub.
Yeah! I can see where that would be a problem for you.
<snipped - no personal attacks in the forums>
Oh, and by the way I visited Sandra's hub and checked out the videos like I said I would. They are worthless. 2 of them are obvious fakes, the others are misleading.
Sandra has stated that Obama is openly Muslim. She questions his loyalty to America. She's calling for his impeachment.
It looks to me like she's doing this because he can pronounce Arabic words correctly.
I'm starting to agree with RK here.
Who ya talking to? I couldn't care less, aren't you the one with admitted race problem? Yeah, that was you!
What a thread. William, you make sense. What this is--is a huge bundle of ignorance. I seriously doubt Sandra IS overtly racist in her personal life, but the views she is espousing lately ARE racist. And I support RK. Though he is not necessarily expressing himself well, he gets it on a gut level and he is right.
You would and you'll be in good company with the dog boy.
And do watch it, RK. You ARE likely to be banned. Admin. has difficulty ascertaining freedom of speech rights from hate speech. Partially a symptom of the times we are living in. PARTIALLY.
Eck. This whole thing makes me sick.
You were the one bragging about how you had hubpages institute the bans to begin with, a little hypocritical on your part. LOL,Ummmmmmmmm,LOL
If that is how you wanted to read that.
However, most of what they do is monetary based... And the situation is too complex to write about in a forum post. I'd need a hub to explain what's going wrong...it's a societal issue, actually. It's basically the myth of "equal time" and political correctness gone haywire.
Hubpages most certainly has the right to ban whoever they want, they do not need to give equal time and can be as politically correct as they want to be. The idea of you complaining about them banning is laughable, you admitted in these forums that it was you that pushed the Hubpage staff to ban others, you gloated about it, and then it happens to you, now you are screaming its unfair, laughable!
Not really. And that's your characterization, not the truth.
The law is the law and they skirt dangerously close to breaking it. Their issue, not mine.
But I'm not interested in this 'conversation.' Not to mention you have no clue, given your verbiage, of the situation or even what is being talked about.
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