"Everyone" isn't. It's just that the people who are banned, tend to be the kind of people who make a lot of noise - that's how they got banned in the first place.
You can get banned from the forums (usually just for a few days) for being rude, obscene or attacking other people. The religious and political forums can get very heated and that's where most people earn their ban.
exactly! besides, being active in the forums doesn't always amount to 'noise'....and there are lots of us here who are serious writers otherwise, but truly enjoy the fun in the forums too. I don't see how that makes anyone any less special...
long story...but whatever HP's reason for banning him, it obviously lasted more than 3 days for he never came back...and I repeat, he just wasn't the overly sensitive sort, so it must have taken something for him to leave...
you know when CW got mad the other day and decided to 'ban herself', I thought this would all pass...but I never thought blood would simply close his account! I know he loved being here...ok. let's just keep emailing him!
I understand why someone might take a break from the forums. There are lots of reasons for this. I am certainly less active than I was a month or 2 ago. I even get it that others stop participating in the forums all together, sometimes not by choice. But I don't understand deleting all of your hubs and closing your account completely.
I agree. Most of the Hubbers who've left have flounced off over some upset in the forums - or as a result of being banned from the forums. You'd think the forums were the most important thing on HubPages, whereas in fact they're the least important.
If you're upset over something in the forums, by all means quit them - but that doesn't mean you have to quit the main activity, ie Hubbing, surely.
Also, I don't understand how the forums are often rejected as an 'irrelevance' here, when they certainly add to that wonderful sense of community that makes HP so special! Many of us are here for the pure love of writing and the fans (and readership) we form through the forums is certainly no insignificant part of it...
I don't think anyone regards the forums as "irrelevant". But many of the established Hubbers don't regard them as the be-all and end-all. Those who allow forum spats to determine their whole Hub experience have things out of proportion, IMO.
I agree that it depends why you're here. 90% of my readership comes from outside HubPages, not from the community. I enjoy interacting with the community and I appreciate my fans, but my Hubs would survive without them.
But I understand there are others, especially those who write fiction, poetry or off-the-wall stuff, who rely much more on the community for their readers and therefore, the forums are more important to them. They're still not the primary reason for being in HP, though.
No one is calling forums the 'be all' or the 'primary' reason for being here...just saying, it's 'part' of the whole experience of being in this community... whatever, any writer's reasons for being in the forums, I think they all deserve to be respected and valued...
Did I say they shouldn't be? But the primary purpose of the site is to write, not to chat.
No one may be CALLING the forums the be-all and end-all, but they demonstrate it by their actions - if they can't be in the forums, they don't see the point of being on the site. Most of the departures recently have been in that category.
If you were a member of a club and they for some reason wouldn't let you go to the swimming pool or the golf course, wouldn't you go and apply for a membership in other club? that's how you feel when you're banned from a forum of a site forever. You don't feel like staying there anymore.
Well, if it was a golf club, a better analogy would be that they wouldn't allow you in the bar. You could still play golf. At HP, if you're banned from the forums you can still write Hubs, still receive and make comments and fan mail. And usually the ban isn't permanent anyway.
I know. anyway, what you feel is, that you don't belong anymore. It has to do with freedom of speech. Everybody is a grown up here. If somebody can't take some hard words.... and some people have been saying gays must be killed, for example and are not banned, because that is not a personal attack. I have reported and nobody did anything about it.
Really! Hate Speech is against adsense TOS which seems to be the basis of most hub rules. If people are banned for petty bickering its absolutely ridiculous that open hate speech isnt dealt with equally
I'm disappointed to hear that. It is hate speech and deserves a ban.
I do think that some of the people (not you) who complain about other Hubbers not being banned, have just never bothered to report anyone. I stay out of the contentious forums so have never had to report anything except spam, but it does work most of the time, I believe.
I do not see many leaving hubpages, and many who do are leaving to do something else no doubt involving their work. It would seem logical to pull down hubs to avoid duplicate content if you have a buyer for your writing somewhere else.
***Geesh*** I didn't know he was gone are you sure it wasn't a multiple account ? He may still be here so everyone should think positive, honestly though I would be shocked if he left but the focus should be on hubs too. Sometimes all of us need a break from the forums. I believe he may come back they always do.
I don't know anything about bloodnlatex but there are plenty of hubbers who get way too much sucked into the fantasy aspects of hubpages. The forums aren't real life. Also the whole 'great writers' thing is silly. Great writers write great novels or great drama or great poetry. They don't write hubs.
Will, there are some great writers on here and they do write hubs. TMMason, Pete Maida for example there are many so no disrespect but there are people on here who are actually quite known, no disrespect but you should not scorn unless you read. You are a great writer and you are here.
I take offense to that blatant remark. There are many great writers here. Dr's., Lawyers, teachers many of my dearest hubber fiends as well. One can be great and not be in the mainstream you know? There are even those hubbers who have books in print. I think you need to retract that remark sir.
This is sort of what I am saying. Don't get sucked in.
As for the great writers thing- 'great' as a word. has a meaning, it's worth checking. Its possible that someone on hubpages qualifies but it is very, very unlikely.
The problem is that delusions of grandeur will eventually lead to pain.
Hal Liciano and Pam Grundy are good examples. They got traffic but no income and when, after a very long time, they noticed, it upset them. Hal simply stopped writing his popular, no income pages and started writing stuff that will make some income. Pam went off in a rage.
So if you want to save yourself some pain, stay realistic and put those secret fantasies of being a great writer out of your mind.
Also, I have to say that the very small amounts of money that online writers receive is a reflection of the fact that many millions of people across the word can write perfectly good articles. We are nothing special but we can still be reasonably professional, with a lot of practice.
so to you, great=lots of money? Im certian money had no bearing on bloods leaving, and I never saw Pam “in a rage”. She made a descision to move on. I saw it as decently and quietly, explained. This bit, is, without a doubt, one of the most negative, counterproductive, depressing, unmotivating, and wrong statements Ive ever seen.
Will, you are getting drawn in you used to be such a positive person , are you o.k.? You are a wonderful writer yourself and you are also on hubpages. I hope you do not believe you are mediocre because many of us do not.
If you want to be in the forums,you need to watch what you say. My reason for being on hubpages is financial benefits,along with getting good information on subjects others write about.. Most of the people who leave,come back under another name anyway,to get a fresh start.
Im trying to support your original opinion that the whole banning and reporting system is foolish and rarely justified in adult forum (yOu must be 18 to sign up for hubpages!)..I dont see why you would be so quickly swayed by being banned yourself.
It should only support your original view that the system is flawed.
Im still irritated for being banned for the statement
"Ill chalk that up to your megalomania"
-wow, isnt that a biting, hurtful personal attack!
earlier in the thread, the person who "felt" attacked by that statement said "I was banned, now IM reporting everybody" ..so the statement itself irks me
i don't report either. i've even had people in the forums tell me i SHOULD report hubs and stuff, but i just can't do it. but i do think putting someone in time-out for a few days is a good idea. necessary even, judging by some of the things i have seen people say. but i still won't report them. the only time i might is if someone is advocating harm to children or animals.
first of all, does tantrum or anyone who was banned have any definitive proof that they were banned because of some report fiend or fiends? the only one who was proven to be banned because of the reporting function was Silk..that dude clover something posted that he was going to report her and get her banned.
is it just possible that people who were banned were banned because of their own comments?
how about just accepting HubPages' decision quietly, and then coming back just as quietly? no, people feel a need to get everyone fired up and feed the "kill the report fiend" rumor mill when they don't even know for certain that even happened. tantrum wants to attempt to hoist HubPages by its own petard instead of just behaving as a member of this community. and to come back and start a thread with her allusions that she "knows who her real friends are" in the wake of this cataclysmic catastrophe of epic proportions does nothing to improve the mood of the forums, IMO.
cosette silk also was banned due to her own comments. Her words "mental midget" and "do I have to draw you a [F-bomb] picture?!" are my recollection of her post. I'm guessing Clover dude's thread, though silly, may have had nothing to do with it. Anyone could have seen her post and reported it.
Well , what I've learned during my life, is that when there are rules, sometimes one must deal with them. I always forget that lesson,as I'm a free thinker and broad minded woman. And I did forget it here in HP, until they were applied to me. Now I play by the Rules, until someday I'll get bored and then I'll move along.
I report spammers, but that's the limit of my stretch. While I believe HP has the right to police what their members say and do, I won't be one of the cops. I already was a forum moderator once this lifetime and it really hurt to ban some really good friends because they got goaded into arguments that loosened them into saying things they normally would have kept inside.
And you ask ... why didn't I just refuse to report them? Because it was my job and I was being paid to do it ... and that led me to quickly find another way to cover the income and abandon that position.
We all have a one-off where we say something we shouldn't; I've had them myself in the past. Thing is ... you lose a lot of that fiery passion as you get older, allowing you to control it better ... and losing that fiery side really hurts, as that's the side that cries out for change and gets things done!
The only thing I still have a hard time with is when someone twists my words to mean something I never intended, but sometimes my word choice opens me up to such interpretations, so I try my best not to get too upset about it.
When a person creates monster posts like mine they plant mine fields that can inevitably explode - it's all part of trying to communicate in text, which is a medium I have *never* been comfortable with. The comedy of it all is that I barely speak in real life, preferring to use my expressions and posture to communicate what I have to say - but none of those are of any use in a forum.
And so I bloviate ... and bloviate ... and bloviate ... recognizing the day will come when my fellow hubbers will finally end their misery by pitchforking me...
This is the perspective that everyone needs to remember. People carry on as if the HubPages team is somehow vindictive when they ban people. They're doing their job, applying the rules, as they're paid to do. You break the rules, you pay the price. You don't like the rules, you go somewhere else.
HubPages provides these forums for free. They could just provide the writing site and hide the forums away like Helium does - or not offer one at all. .
It was a surprise to me to find out how sensitive people on writing sites are. I'm sort of a plain spoken person and don't mind it when things get testy. But some can't resist getting angry over an argument.
And the drama seems contrived in many cases. But it is what it is.
It's colder than a well digger's ass, ralwus. Supposed to be in the teens tonight. I'm only about 50 miles from the Florida line and we aren't used to it being this cold down here. Guess I'll have to throw on another goat tonight.
My purpose in starting this thread was not to criticize HP or the banning system or create 'drama' for that matter. It was posted in 'hubber's hangout' out of concern for a fellow writer who was banned for more than 3 days, and just a day after he emails one of us saying he's waiting for his ban to end, all of a sudden terminates his account and email and leaves! I think we're allowed to express concern here..... (and that too AFTER emailing him first and failing to get thru)
same thing happend on my previous live's threads.....pretty sure you and blood hijacked one!! maybe he will be back, maybe he's reading this. Hes not sensitive or childish. He does write for a living, and mentioned once he would leave if he got bored as HP wasnt quite fitting in with his portfolio. Nobody, even if they are childish or flouncy, deletes an email account over banning. I am certain he had a good reason, and hope hes doing well.
ah....those were the days! yes, I do agree with you and am staying positive about this and hoping he emails soon.... it's just.. things like these make you realize the fragility of 'cyber' friendships: on one hand, they are quick to form; on the other, so limited!
I've never reported anyone. I've never really had a reason to. The only really nasty comment I've received was on a hub, and it was from a non-hubber who said my young niece was ugly. I just deleted it.
I thoroughly enjoy the forums, but I enjoy writing more. I think both are integral parts of HP! This site would certainly not enjoy the same community spirit without the forums.
oh, i know that. plus her use of the "C" word to a newbie was outlandish to say the least. i'm just saying that her case was the only one where there was proof of rogue reporting going on, that's all. HubPages doesn't go banning people right and left just because someone reports them. i don't think anyone who was banned was banned because someone reported them anyway. if they got banned they got banned because they deserved it in the eyes of the HubTeam, which is good enough for me. and for the record, my comments in this thread aren't directed at the OP; they are directed at tantrum.