Is something wrong here?
Why can people watch, on public TV, decapitation, stabbings, brains being blown against walls by shotgun blasts etc., but, acting where actual copulation (insertion)is taking place, cannot?
I'll bet no one will touch this1 It is not a "religiously correct" subject.
Who says we can't watch it?
"We" can, perhaps, but we don't wanna. Stuff like that should be private.
Are you from this planet?
Where can ya watch copulation including penetration on public TV in the USA?
If I had to choose, I'd rather see consentual sex than violence.
Watching or reading about violent acts makes me physically ill - literally.
Sex - not so much.
Normally, the results and consequences of violence is shown.
Not so much so when it comes to sex.
Because, sexual actions are considered pornography. The penetration itself has been deemed unsuitable for viewing on FCC airways. This is due to advocate groups and special interests groups who have made enough noise, so as to prevent it being aired.
The action to some is offensive to those who are not into voyeurism. If you watch a nice love story and sex is pleasing to the eye, then they don't mind.
But, the line you cross is into voyeurism and pornography.
Just a thought.
..and you are quite right!
Yet the same groups have no problem with extreme violence and course language being shown.
We humans are a strange lot.
both sex and violence are human characteristics. We choose to view the violence and reject the most natural act in nature..love and copulation!
Tells ya volumes about where our honest interests are.
I prefer that we can leave something for the imagination. There are so many problems brought on by pornagraphy I couldn't possibly name them all. Most of all we, as adults, have a responsibilty to protect our children from that crap anything less is criminal!
Did you teach your children about sex? And, if so, what did you teach them exactly?
What was your approach? I'm just curious?
Well I answered his questions as he asked about the mechanics of sex. Not too much info just enough to satisfy his curiosity. I also included a moral reminder about his responsibility to be a leader in life and in his dealings with others. I totally support abstinence and didn't waiver but I'm not stupid so, before his first real date I talked to him in private about his moral comitments and I gave him a condom for his wallet. He was surprised but I told I wish he would wait but I don't want infected with something either. I dodn't know if he has or hasn't he entered his senior year at college this semester so I don't know and it's no longer my buisness. That said, he goes to a Christian university and the young women we've met that he dates are very commited to their religious and moral beliefs.
That makes no sense to me.
You protect your kids from the most natural activity amongst all life on this planet, yet the same kids play with games which match a couple guys or more against each other they kill, maim and beat up each other..??
....and they,the kids, watch extreme violence being acted out on tV. kids and parents sit on sofa sharing popcorn and cola..eh?
Sumthin's wrong here.
There's something else too.
Most tv acts of violence are either play-acting, or are actual events shown for the reason of illustrating the bad aspects of it.
The actual sex act is...um...real (unless of course ya wanna replace it with anime or virtual dummies) and involves real people doing things that have consequences both emotional and physical, but which are shown for no valid reason.
Yeah. I was replying to Cagsil.
But I agree with you on that, sneakorocksolid.
I think that mild forms (PG-13) of violence and sex to enhance a story-line or with proper warning in cases of real images are suitable for tv.
Actual decapitation or other forms of violence or sex is not.
Unless it is Skinemax or some other "porn" paid for by an adult for the eyes of an adult.
Sex scenes on tv shows are pretty PG-13. And in a lot of cases they show consequences afterwards. On Grey's Anatomy a lot of the characters contracted syphilis for sleeping with each other. Sex resulting in unwanted or unplanned pregnancies happens on tv.
LOL yer tapdancing around the question.
I'm sure we all know that is what is expected and shown. by those who control what we see.
My questions has to do with human inanity in ref to what is ok for all to watch and what is not....and why?
Thanks tho for a reply.
Well that shows you how much we believe what we preach I won't know that and don't want to know that.
Huh? You gave your son a condom for his wallet. But condoms aren't supposed to be kept in wallets because the latex can be damaged. Why wouldn't you want to know a piece of information that could keep your son safe? Since it is your duty to teach him.
More than anything I wanted him to think for himself and realize that his safety comes first. If I didn't get it exactly right well I make mistakes everyday I just hope none are so bad I can't recover from it. I'm opposed to pre-marital sex you know that I was trying to be even handed in my approach. I was more concerned about his leadership skills and for him to set the standard. I was hoping he would lead away from temtation and have respect enough for his lady friend to not tempt or coerice her into making a poor judgement.
You know, sneako - I like you even though I don't agree with you on so very many things - but I like and respect where you're coming from - I know you believe in all the things that you were taught over the years . . . but I think you are missing out on the real world - so much has changed! I hope you are hearing what people are saying here, and in the other forums too - its not the 40s and 50s anymore, altho I wish in some ways it was. If we can't accept the changes in the world we are the losers.
Mega1 thanks for your very respectful observation. I know but if I could pray for a better world and it would happen I would every minute of everyday. I wish no one ill-will I promise. I'm just pulling in the direction I think is best with no offense intended.
Consensual and joyous copulation causes me no problems whatsoever, and I would not have worried if my daughters saw it when they were young. I'm not agitating to have lots of it on display, because it gets boring, but if it is pertinent to a story that is being told, I have no objection.
I do not count the above as pornography, because no pain or exploitation is involved.
And yes, I know S-M people get their thrills from pain and exploitation. However, one time I found myself sitting round a kitchen table with such company and winced very visibly when someone started talking about sewing a seam through the thigh. Immediately they saw this, the conversation moved to a safer topic and they apologised for causing me distress. This awareness, gentleness, understanding and courtesy changed my views of the S-M community profoundly.
Violence is quite different. I cannot watch it. I don't care if it is play-acting, the message is still the same. So many times I've started to watch a film and have had to keep my eyes covered during a large part of it because of the violence and the blood.
I think that adults should get to have the choice of seeing violence and/or sex acts - if you wanta - go ahead.
Me, myself, I wish I could miss some of the violent acts and violent talk (as in sensational newscasts) that they kind of inflict on us on tv - which is why I don't watch much tv - and I don't choose to find porno - of any kind - or watch any consensual sex acts because it just doesn't really interest me.
I love to flirt and talk sexy with people, I love to LIVE life, in general, and do less spectator activity - its just more natural to me, and I bet they've studied this and more "native" "savage" people feel the same - they act out violently only when they HAVE to and don't go looking for it. They like to HAVE sex, but don't go peeking around looking at other people doing it that much. If they do witness sex, they think its funny, that's all. It's strange that the more "civilized" we get, the less we act like real human beings. Have I said enough?
You consider contemporary man to be civilized?
How can you come to that conclusion?
We have never treated each other civilly since we arrived as "modern man."
The longer we exist the further we divorce ourselves from the "natural."
When man derives more pleasure viewing death and destruction than viewing other humans involved in an act of love and propagation....sumthin's very very wrong!
Ah no - didn't you read the whole post - I know I get wordy - but that's not what I was saying. I actually DON"t believe that what is currently called "civilized" is in fact civilized. I was saying exactly what you are saying about the "natural" and I agree with you - I have come to the same conclusions you have, so don't get your panties in a twist!
Qwark - I agree with you, but you know, we all do have a huge choice to make about TV, also movies - its not just a question of what we watch, but more of WHETHER we watch - I am on this bandwagon about getting the world to ween themselves from TV and DO things - I loved my childhood before we had a TV - it was rich and full, I learned a huge amount! I did so many things! We read books! There seemed to be a lot more choices in the world and a lot more generous interaction in our town - I am convince TV (and movies to a lesser extent) stultify our society - we are very confused by it - we believe TV is giving us knowledge when it is doing just the opposite - very much like that movie Fahrenheit 451. I think computer interaction is great, but I am guilty of overdoing it, I admit. So beyond the question of violence and/or sex acts - it's our attachment to the box I rant against!
I dont know how old you are but i'm 60.
I know what you refer to, but the world is not the same place it was 60 yrs ago.
We are evolving. The secret to our survival is adaptation. We are becoming better at doing what our genetic programming demands....to "kill."
We, as earth's prime predator, imagine and create more efficient ways to destroy life without compunction.
I am very human. I love to watch the kill and...copulation.
If we are ever to advance/progress as a life form, we must involve ourselves in more humane and sociable ways which engender peace and love...if we can't we are doing something very very wrong.
hahaha and I don't wear or own panties...:-)
I don't care how old you are - if you're not going to read what I actually write and try to understand that I am agreeing with you, what's the point of replying to me? I am at least as evolved as you are! Our ages? I was just saying something very similar to Sneako! Read what I write and stop being so frickin judgmental before you even know what I'm saying!
I read every word you wrote and responded.
I never get upset with anyones hubs or with the writer. I do respond bluntly and honestly.
If I respond to a comment I read it completely to determine whether is deserves a response ...yours did and I answered it in the manner I did. if it offended you, that is your problem. I cannot be offended. I won't allow myself to be offended...you have the same ability.
Anyway, my "panties" never get twisted....lol
Thanks for your response...:-)
Hey qwark, go read the death penalty thread? I think you'll find it interesting?
I just came from there and read all yer posts.
...agreed with most.
I don't wan't the "murderer" to live a life in prison being entertained, fed, bedded and paid for by me!
You know how I feel about them.
Believe me, if ya accept my invitation, you will be welcome at my "televised execution" tail gate parties...:-)
qwark - no passion involved when I say one final word :
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