Hello from Pam Grundy
- Nelle Hoxieposted 14 years ago
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I just commented on that blog maybe others should do the same my comment was far from negative,in fact I was surprised by PGrundy's comment in fact a little disappointed since I truly respected her. Lita's is a different situation altogether and the person who started the blog apparently did not read the rules and was upset. HP has always been there for me including when I had a stalker and they have always resolved any issues I may have had, we should never be a problem and we should always find a solution, just my opinion.
Watashi mo. Hajimemashite! Mata atode...
I don't know? What is really interesting is that I posted something positive about hubpages on that blog with this link and the owner of there blog would not post my comment. Apparently they are only taking negative ones to boost there page rankings. I honestly do not know what happened with Lita but PGrundy all of us thought left on good terms and was just looking for change so many of us were shocked by her comment. It just goes to show that you never know who the people really are.
The BBC tell it straight in all their world sites. The journalism is professional, and they try to be truthful, interviewing the "bad guy" and getting his version as well.
I love the fact that they can cover every country on the ground.
I like that what you believe is left up to you by a good journo!Obama must be right on the money. Loons from both extremes hate him!
- Nelle Hoxieposted 14 years ago0
It beats me that an intelligent person can spend two years before deciding that they are wasting their time and effort
I love that comment about "pussies hiding in cyberspace"
- ralwusposted 14 years ago0
That pretty much sums up my view, Ralwus.
On the one hand, I can understand her point about the slightly misleading 'make money' adverts. On the other hand, I write sales and advertising copy, so I have to point the finger at myself, in that case. Advertising is a murky world!
Pretty much agree with you all about the 'Keyboard Warrior!' No need for that.
PS: Thisisoli - The troll harassing Lita was banned. It is back under another name
- ralwusposted 14 years ago0
Not bad, old buddy.
Lots of work, but I am having a little break.
Spring is nearly here and the flowers are coming out
How are you doing? I hope that you are hale and healthy.
- ralwusposted 14 years ago0
Likewise - got to get back to work. The website won't write itself!
Have a good day - take care
- Nelle Hoxieposted 14 years ago0
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- lynnechandlerposted 14 years ago0
Where's that dead horse pic when you need it?
I actually came here cause I thought it was a thread with info on Pam saying hi from cyber world. Never expected all this. http://hubpages.com/hub/The-Hubpages-Sucks-Page
I am going to beat them at their own game (This isn't a promotional post ebcause the hub is not commercial) I am simply going to try and beat all the webages regarding Hubpages Sucks with a page that not only talks about how good Hubpages is, but can beat all the sites that say Hubpages sucks
I don;t think nofollow is possible on forum posts Sky. Never tried though. Either way it is too late to edit it - the editing timeframe already expired.
And I am off to more positive things - celebrating V day with my family.
BTW in Russian tradition today is "forgiving Sunday", when you are supposed to forgive everybody who harmed you during the last year, and move on. So I am forgiving Pam, too - among othersIf I may add, that's the best decision you've made!
Life's just not worth this negativity...and we cannot fight anyone's right to their opinion, good or bad. Spend happy moments with your family....and do write those hubs...I'll be the first to read them!
- cosetteposted 14 years ago0
- blatvaposted 14 years ago0
just saying... I hesitated on posting to this ... heeding my own advice to never jump in when the afterburners are kicked on high.
While what people on that site are saying about Hubpages might seem unpleasant to us, those people are relating how they feel from their own perspective. We can never call someone a liar for expressing an opinion, but we *can* agree that we definitely don't feel the same way.
As for constructing an article praising Hubpages, I'm all for it, as I think it's a more positive way to express our disagreement than a thread full of anger that serves no real purpose and will be gone in several days.
However, I think it highly unwise to do it as a 'Let's show them by saying how they twisted everything wrong' sort of thing.
If you want to do an article that says how great hubpages is then do just that. Don't even look at the detractors as you write it. Be personal and tell how much you love the site and what you love about it.
Better yet ... if your angle is truly to relate how great Hubpages is then let the hubbers write it for you!
Just start a thread asking for hubbers to write what they like the most about Hubpages, add in that all posts in the thread will be added to an article on Hubpages (so that everyone knows up front that's your attempt) and let the masses speak out in an article that will outlive any debate on forums elsewhere.
You could even call it, 'Hubpages Sucks? Really?", which will gather hits from everyone looking up Hubpages, Hubpages sucks, and Hubpages really sucks.
In doing so you will allow the story of the members here to be told and will have done something to promote a site you love.
So, watcha think Misha? Yes? No? I'm in if you'll write the article - though admittedly this will be cut and pasts from a future forum thread.
All I would ask is that there be no negativity to the detractors in such an article, as in doing so you once again give them a voice - for if you mention them, people will look them up for dissenting opinions. After all, those who do not know about something will look for differing opinions to make a clear connection - and one need not steer them to that which provides a message we believe not to be true.Hi Yoshi,
I think you already started such a thread, and kudos to you, you managed to make it really positive one.
Oli already wrote a hub, and even if you think it might not be 100% positive - nobody is perfect, and we all do what we can. Thanks to Oli for taking time to write what he thinks fits the situation.
I personally won't write anything probably - I am not a brilliant writer like Pam, English is not my native tongue, and I am struggling with my several hubs in the works - I don't really need or want to distract myself from those.
But again, whomever writes such a hub, I will gladly help with promotion, be it 100% positive, or just 70%
And I did not post this thread because I stumbled on some minuscule blog bashing Hubpages - there are literally dozens if not hundreds of those, it comes with a territory. I posted it because a person whom I among others was giving a sincere support when she was here just spit in my face in return.
No biggie according to some, and they are entitled to their opinions and definitely can continue to turn their other cheek, but still - I personally don't enjoy such jests, and I am entitled to my opinion, too - even if it is not 100% positive.
It is a shame Pam became disillusioned with the site, but in some ways I think she was disillusioned herself, as to what Hubpages actually is.
Yoshi, you do raise a lot of valid points, and I can see where you are coming from.
However my article is based not at peoples direct opinions of Hubpages directly, but more towards the fact that they are attacking Hubpages for things they did wrong.
On the website that started all this a guy called Darren seemed upset that Hubpages refused his article for duplicate content, content he had posted in other areas. If he had took even a smidgen of time to read the rules he would have known not to spend the time cutting and pasting that article.
The Hubpages rules are there because they are SEO Best practice, they maintain the quality of the website for all of us. My opinion is that both questions and accusations such as these should be responded to immediately, to ensure that new people looking for the perfect website online are not disillusioned regarding the value of Hubpages.
My Hub was not really about how Goof Hubpages IS, rather it was about How Hubpages is not what these people claim.
Personally though I think even more informative Hubs regarding the power of Hubpages is no bad thing though, go for it
i don't understand how you cannot object to that, being a Hubpages writer yourself. people read and judge all of us based on what others say in the search engines. i'm not mad at Pam for not being in love with Hubpages. actually i am not mad at her at all. or Lita. i am just perplexed. why say anything at all? she left. done deal. who cares what Hubpages does after the fact? if i had left for good, i would not look back. erase them from my memory banks, as it were.
I think that it is part of a wider complaint, concerning how the whole freelance market is racing to the bottom. The freelance boards are ridiculous, and swamped by desperate people trying to scratch a few bucks (as is Hubpages!). Hopefully, they will correct themselves, but times are difficult for writers at the moment. I can understand exactly where Pam comes from, although I would have chosen a different target.
Hopefully, many amongst the influx of new writers will realise that they cannot make a quick buck and disappear; writers will, once again, be paid what they are worth.
As you can imagine, this destruction of the freelance board also pisses me off and I feel like venting about it all. However, it has forced me to look at other avenues, so it is not all bad.
Lita and Pam are both my friends, and Pam is a colleague, so I join SweetiePie in not wanting to get involved in an emotional debate. Some of you guys have written pro-HP hubs, so hopefully this thread can die and Darren can be forgotten.
PS: Oli - the troll we spoke of is a particularly venomous POS. Darren is nothing compared to it
- cosetteposted 14 years ago0
that's cool SweetiePie. i have no desire to move this discussion beyond the forums. you're entitled to your thoughts, so is Pam, and Lita and everyone else. cheers!
It certainly is difficult to make a living, although it is not all about SEO and marketing - there is still work for 'traditional writers,' but a huge influx of people during the economic crisis drove prices to the bottom.
It is only anecdotal, but there does seem to be a move back towards quality - a good percentage of my gigs are trying to salvage articles written in garbled English. The client tried to save a few bucks and was stung - they end up paying twice!
Sweetie: I used to like those days, too, but we dinosaurs have to move with the times and embrace the electronic age. Like Pam, I have a few books on the go. Hopefully, it is onwards and upwards.hehe - It's not so much writing online because I enjoy it, but because I have to. Without fluent Greek, there is not much call for offline writers in this part of the world.
I am actually not the biggest fan of standard article writing - it's OK and pays the bills, but I prefer the academic work and ghost writing.
A few books are nearing completion, so that keeps my mind busyWell you live in Greece and can enjoy the scenery, so you are lucky that way. Being bilingual in English and Greek must be pretty cool too
.The scenery is a bonus, as is the history!
Bilingual is pushing it - for the last year, I have been working 70 - 100 hour weeks, so I rarely get the chance to practice. I get by, but not as fluently as I would hope.
I am about to put my rates up, so hopefully I can work fewer hours and find a little time to refresh my Greek
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