No Follow and adult hubs

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   Night Crawlerposted 16 years ago

   Was looking and noticed that all adult hubs have the No Follow tag in them. Didn't matter what the hub score was or the Hubbers over all score. Is this  a error or is this a permanent thing?
   
   
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   SexyDipposted 16 years ago

   ...push...
   
   I also want to know it... Not sure about the reasons why the no follow tag was added...

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   Paul Edmondsonposted 16 years ago

   There are a few reasons for the nofollow tag on adult Hubs and we are constantly evaluating it.  First, adult hubs take up a large amount of resources and we want to discourage adult hubs getting created for the sole purpose of backlinks. 
   
   We want to encourage people to create high quality Hubs on HubPages and monetize the content on HubPages.  So we added AVN ads for our adult publishers. So they don't have to send visitors to another site to monetize the traffic.
   
   We may reduce the nofollow level for adult Hubs in the future that have high HubScores, but again, HubPages should be a place to create high quality information for users and not be used primarily as an SEO tool for passing pagerank to an adult site.

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      Night Crawlerposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      Just curious why you guys didn't do this from the get go. A lot of webmasters created hubs for the reason of back links and to make money including myself.  I have over 780 hubs across 9 accounts and i was doing between 3-4k a day on google traffic alone . First it was the adult tags which killed se traffic and now the no follow thing. Folks are here to make money and on the adult side and you  guys are cutting us off on that. I am in no way faulting you for your decision  you site your rules. But the same folks who helped Hubpages grow and get were they are today are now getting kicked out of the loop.
      
      Also i would suggest you look into other choices then AVN ads for monetary and security reasons....
      
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         darksideposted 16 years agoin reply to this

         Keep in mind that the nofollow is not stopping you from getting click thru traffic that comes to your site or stopping you from making money from people who click through to sign up to an affiliate program.
         
         The only thing it is stopping is getting the benefit of PageRank for the linked site or count as a backlink in the hope of improved SERP's.
         
         Correct me if I'm wrong but the Hubpage itself can still get indexed by Google right? It's not going to suffer from any ill effect from having outbound nofollow links. Because if it did that would be detrimental to all those blogs that implemented it into their system.
         
         The only thing it's stopping is a bot from going through to your linked site, not a person. And last time I checked, bots weren't in the habit of paying for access to porn sites with their credit card. :-D

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            Hot Chickposted 16 years agoin reply to this

            You are right. Actually that is only reason most of us are still building adult hubs.
            But the point is, adding a nofollow tag alone will not stop people from building hubs for the sole purpose of getting back links.
            
            So you don't want the spiders to follow the links to adult sites. But what about mainstream spammers? What about Casinos and Rx affiliate spammers. Why do you think all the adult site builders are spammers.
            
            If the intention is genuine, why not implement the nofollow tag to all the hupages, not just the adult hubs. I am sure the bots do not have the habit of buying mainstream products as well.

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               darksideposted 16 years agoin reply to this

               I didn't say anything about adult site builders being spammers.
               
               I am well aware that they can contribute to a community in a positive way.
               
               Spammers are spammers, it doesn't matter what they're promoting it's how they promote it.
               
               So long as adult hubbers mark their hubs as such no one has a problem.
               
               And for the smart operators do. They see the value of tagging and categorising their hubs correctly because the result is quality traffic.
               
               I do recall that low performing hubs or those that are deemed to be spammy do get slapped with a nofollow. Not sure what the Hubscore threshold is but provided a person has quality and original content then they should float about that line.
               
               
               The intention, from what I understand, is to deal with adult hubs. I don't envy the position that Hubpages Inc have themselves in. They're trying to find a balance. Hubpages didn't come in a box with an instruction manual, they're figuring this out as they go along. If they do the wrong thing the result could be Hubpages being reknowned all over the world wide web as a bastion for landing pages for hardcore porn sites.
               
               And not every hubpage is monetized. There are many that have the sole intention of being a means of communicating an idea, an opinion, instructions, stories and thoughts.
               
               The concern of an adult hubber was "Folks are here to make money and on the adult side and you  guys are cutting us off on that". Keep in mind that Hubpages isn't stopping people from clicking on third party affiliate links. What they are trying to do is navigate through a potential sea of spam and doing what's best for the company and the community as a whole.

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   Maddie Ruudposted 16 years ago

   sorry to butt in, but... what is a nofollow tag for those of us who don't know?

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      Night Crawlerposted 16 years agoin reply to this

           The no follow tag (rel="nofollow") has been adopted by Google, Yahoo, MSN and the other major and minor search engines as a way to thwart spam. The no follow tag was originally created for bloggers who were being spammed in the comments area of their blogs with ads for pharmaceuticals, home loans and even adult ads.
      
      These drive-by spammers contributed nothing to the blog but benefited from PageRank with links that pointed to their own websites. The nofollow tag simply says to a search engine to disregard this link as it is not to a 'trusted' source. The page at the other end of the no follow link will not benefit in PageRank. Most of the blog software and social services now put in the no follow tag automatically for links in the comments area.
      
      Another area where the no follow tag is being used is on publisher websites in on the sponsored link text. Google is especially keen on this noting that sponsored links may in fact be links to bad neighborhoods and should not gain from another site's PageRank. Yahoo disagrees with this philosophy so there is a nice debate going on now about the no follow tag in regard to sponsored links.
      
      One area where one will definitely not want to use the no follow tag is when doing reciprocal link trades. In a reciprocal link trade, you're not only trading traffic with another website but PageRank as well. If you place a no follow tag on the text link of one of your reciprocal partners, this says a couple of things.
      
      First, it says that you don't trust the website that you're linking to enough to endorse it (so why did you make the link trade in the first place?). It also says that you're willing to cheat your partners since they are giving your website PageRank in good faith that you'll do the same and you are employing means that will deprive them of this (so your link trade its not reciprocal).
      
      It is also important that you protect yourself from link partners who are using the no follow tag to gyp you out of a truly reciprocal link trade. Searching the source code on the link page where your link appears from time to time will help you discover if the no follow tag is being used or not.
      
      Remember, the no follow tag is a good device when used properly, but like so many other inventions for the Web, it is prone to misuse as well.

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         gaylemartposted 16 years agoin reply to this

         And what hubpages is doing right now is a total abuse of the nofollow tag. I send traffic into Hubpages from my external links to my adult hubs. I don't stick nofollow tags on them and I don't begrudge any juice being passed between Hubpages and myself or any of the traffic that I send that decides to explore other hubs that aren't mine. It would be nice if Hubpages had the same respect for us.
         
         And those AVNADS! Holy Hell! Could they be any bigger?  They are like 5 times the size of the average Adsense ad.

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         darksideposted 16 years agoin reply to this

         Whereabouts did you get this from?
         
         If you wrote it yourself I think you should publish it as a Hub :-D

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   Hot Chickposted 16 years ago

   The creaters of Hubpages got all the right to do what they wish with their site.
   
   But a page just because it is adult nature doesn't mean that they were built to get back links. I can see 100's of mainstream hubpages built for the sole purpose of getting back links. What are you going to do with them?
   I will tell you what is going to happen. The honest adult webmasters who were building adult webpages with good content will be building less and less adult pages.
   The spammers who want to build back links to their adultsites will not declare their adult hubs as mature content and enjoy the backlink benefits. Do you have enough staff to check each and every mainstream hubs for mature content?
   
   This is going to backfire guys!

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   velvetsgirlsposted 16 years ago

   So does this mean that my mature site reviews I was planning to continue doing are not going to be indexed at all by google?
   I understand getting ride of backlinks etc, and see how that could suck basically on a lot of levels.
   HOWEVER, I was looking forward to giving GOOD mature hubs for people, covering many topics etc. Including non mature ones on another account.
   I wont waste my time though if my work is not going to be indexed by google.
   
   Thank You

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      Hot Chickposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      Velvetgirls,
      Nope. This doesn't mean that, your hub will not be indexed in google. Actually your hub might get a better ranking in google.
      
      The usage of nofollow tag means, Google will not follow any link in your mature hub. So any pages which are linked from your adult hub will not be indexed in google unless unless you have submitted it seperately to google or you have links pointing to those pages from any other site other that adult hubpages.
      I hate to say this. Suidoo seems to be a better option for me now.

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   velvetsgirlsposted 16 years ago

   Ok thank you for that.
   The funny thing is, One of the sites I linked, actually is showing up that hubpages has a back link back to it already.
   weird!
   
   OK, Starting Monday, ill start building my mature, and non mature hubs again.
   
   Thank you, as long as there is the possibility of people reading useful information and not just having to wait for an inner site search im ok with it.

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   Hot Chickposted 16 years ago

   Darkside,
   I agree with you that Hubpages have to deal with lot of spam pages. And the Hubpages crew got all the rights to do what they wish with their site.
   
   I just wish that, the Hubpages crew will give the same treatment to all kind of spammers be it adult or non-adult.
   
   Also, in my opinion Google's "nofollow" tag failed stop spammers in general. (I am not talking about hubpages. About blog spams etc.)  I still get 100's of comment spams to my blogs. On the other hand, the honest webmasters who really wanted to contribute to the discussion and post good comments are not getting any benefit of link juice.
   
   Again, I completely accept the hub page's decision to add nofollow tags as long as they don't force us to display those ugly AVN ads.
   
   By the way, I like the way you create hub pages and Squidoo lens

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   lloydlposted 16 years ago

   I would like to use the no follow tag on my hub page for example on this link:
   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Whittle.
   How would I set this up?
   
   Lloydl

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    Lissieposted 16 years ago

    You can't because you can't add html code to HP and there is no predefinied "nofollow" type link

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