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Pro-Lifers and Gay Bashers

  1. defenestratethis profile image61
    defenestratethisposted 7 years ago

    What would the world be like if everyone was heterosexual and ALL pregnancies were brought to term? Ive always wondered... if abortion and homosexuality were somehow banished from our society in order to appease the 'fundalmentalists', would this create the rightous world they desire?  Any thoughts?

    1. tantrum profile image61
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      An over populated righteous world lol

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      Brenda Durhamposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      It would be a better world, yes.
      Maybe then we could focus more on curing diseases and helping each other with the things that naturally happen, instead of fighting the attempts to make immorality lawful.

    3. Stevennix2001 profile image83
      Stevennix2001posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      ummm...to be honest, even if you did manage to resolve those issues, you'd still have a society filled with problems.  NO SOCIETY in world history existed without having some flaws within their system.  Therefore, it shows you that even throughout history, no matter what form of government or customs you choose to follow, there's always going to be flaws.  Therefore, even if you did resolve all this, people are still going to find things to complain about it. 

      Seriously, the only government I ever saw that was perfect, was on Star Trek.  Where it showed various cultures working together for the common good, while EVERYONE worked for no money or compensation.  In their world, people only do things and excel at careers because that's what they want to do.  No money or praise involved.  However, you want to know the flaw in that society?  It's not real.  If it was, then we'd all be happy.  however, it's not.

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    sneakorocksolidposted 7 years ago

    You type well for a faux-bear but you need some help with that moral compass.

  3. Ohma profile image80
    Ohmaposted 7 years ago

    I read your profile. It seems like you would have a lot to right about why settle on this.
    By the way I am not against homosexuality but I do believe that abortion is absolutely wrong unless there is a crime associated with the pregnancy I guess that makes me half a Fundalmentalist.

    1. defenestratethis profile image61
      defenestratethisposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Well guys, Im new here and just wanted to pose a theoretical question...but uh, thanks for the input.  You know..Ohma, Im kinda shy about getting started so I figured Id try something like this for beginners, then gradually delve into something deeper and more involved. As for your remark sneak, my moral compass is my own business.  Ive always been the sensitive type, which has proven to be a serious handicap in the past, as Ive tended to take things personally. But I wont do that here...I know that folks often forget their manners when in front of a keyboard..say things they wouldnt in person.  Deep down I guess we all long to be accepted and belong, dont we?  With that in mind, maybe each of us should consider who's on the other end of that screen, and what their situation might be, before making judgements.

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        sneakorocksolidposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Sorry forgive me I forgot killing babies and diviate sex is something to aspire to.sad

        1. defenestratethis profile image61
          defenestratethisposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          No you forgot that not everyones 'moral compass' jives with your own.  And that its not up to you to decide when it needs help. Its up to the individual.

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            sneakorocksolidposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            So you say sodomy is something we should teach in schools? And if you get pregnant it's ok to flush it away like nothing happened? sad

            1. Ron Montgomery profile image59
              Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              As soon as you get pregnant, you can decide for yourself.  You may engage in whatever sex acts you wish with any consenting adult humans. 

              Don't post pictures.

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                sneakorocksolidposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Oh how liberal of you.

                1. Ron Montgomery profile image59
                  Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  OK, and sheep if you must.

                  Hmmmm, I think we're getting to the root of your hostility.

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                sneakorocksolidposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Does the baby get a say as well?

                1. Ron Montgomery profile image59
                  Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  If there were a baby involved, it would have the full protection of the law, but no say.  Since there is no baby involved, your point is moot.

                  Medical science, Constitutional law and just plain common sense support this position.  You may refute with mythology to your heart's content.

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                    sneakorocksolidposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Oh well since they're nothing I guess that means we're nothing. So then our opinions just don't matter then do they? Lets break out the mob rules! Death to babies and death to Christians, Hmmm, this almost sounds kind of islamic.Yikes!

            2. defenestratethis profile image61
              defenestratethisposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Youre making assumptions again, and somewhat hysterical ones at that. I am for abortion and I have nothing against gay sex..and in my private musings Ive wondered what the world would be like without them..thats all. As for sodomy, whatever two consenting adult humans do in the privacy of their home is none of my business. Abortions? An unfortunate neccessity in this world. Dont think they should be used as birth control, dont beleive in the partial birth ones...but I do think they should remain legalized.

            3. Cly Walsh profile image60
              Cly Walshposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              What's wrong with oral sex?

        2. defenestratethis profile image61
          defenestratethisposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          And frankly I dont get your sarcasm, Ive not been rude to you. Is it your Faith that compels you talk this way, or is it fear? Do you suffer from low self esteem, or in the words of Malcom X, " Willfull Ignorance " ? Its possible to debate an issue without resorting to the tactics youve used.

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            sneakorocksolidposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            No, this how I have fun in the forumns. You need to lighten up or you'll hate it. Stay away from the politics and religious threads this is how we roll.smile

            1. Niteriter profile image78
              Niteriterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I like sneako. I've been reading your Hubs; where's your ammo tonight?

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                sneakorocksolidposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                I'm just being a pest!big_smile

                1. Niteriter profile image78
                  Niteriterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  You're one of the nicest pests around here. Have a good night.

            2. mega1 profile image80
              mega1posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              of course, you are speaking only for yourself, sneak, and possibly 2 or 3 other radical right

            3. defenestratethis profile image61
              defenestratethisposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              OK gotcha sneakmeister, Ill be sure to put up my splatter guard when I see ya coming  smile

              1. defenestratethis profile image61
                defenestratethisposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Take a quick view of this song, sneak and ohma. Its very funny, with a great message, and sung so sweetly by a beautiful girl. It pretty much epitimizes my feelings right now. The link is right below lol can ya tell im new at all this computer stuff? roll

            4. defenestratethis profile image61
              defenestratethisposted 7 years ago in reply to this
            5. defenestratethis profile image61
              defenestratethisposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Ok sneak..ya say thats how we role in this arena , well thats cool. I just gotta get used to it and not be so-overly sensitive. As for your o-so-condescending  remark Ohma? I  get it now....so im gona stop being a crybaby from now on, and Im gona throw shit right back at ya when the need arises. In the meantime, youd be doin me a big favor if you clicked on this link above...it pretty much speaks for itself.  smile

          2. Niteriter profile image78
            Niteriterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            You don't need to pick on sneako; he's alright. There are lots of forum debaters who shoot the messenger before they've heard the message.

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              sneakorocksolidposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Thanks! Just mess'in around!big_smile

            2. defenestratethis profile image61
              defenestratethisposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Good to know Niteriter, Ill keep that in mind.

    2. Pandoras Box profile image81
      Pandoras Boxposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Here's what I don't get Ohma. If it's murder when it's not rape, why is it justified when it is? The baby didn't do anything wrong, right?

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    Denno66posted 7 years ago

    Oh boy.

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    Denno66posted 7 years ago

    Again. Oh boy.

    1. Ron Montgomery profile image59
      Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I heard many homo-abortionists have a thing for sheep.

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        Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Perish the thought.

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        Brenda Durhamposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        What the heck does that mean, Ron?

        Are you saying what I think you're saying?

        Actually, are you saying what it sounds like you're saying?

        I really want to know, because I'm preeety teed off if that's what you're saying.

        1. Ron Montgomery profile image59
          Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I read something about lions lying with lambs somewhere in a bible. 

          Translation?

        2. Ron Montgomery profile image59
          Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I'm just taking Christian fundamentalist hate thought to it's logical conclusion. Homosexuality and reproductive choice lead to beastiality.

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            sneakorocksolidposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            You and any type of thought you might have should be left out of any serious discussion!

            1. Ron Montgomery profile image59
              Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Serious discussion?  Was there a serious discussion somewhere?

            2. defenestratethis profile image61
              defenestratethisposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Uhh sneak, didnt you just call me a faux bear with a faulty moral compass? Is that how you defend your beliefs, with sarcasm, petty insults, and thinly veiled anatagonism when engaged in a -as you like to call it- A Serious Discussion?

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                sneakorocksolidposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Anyone willing to promote sodomy and/or defend it is a few sandwiches short of a picnic. How could any compassionate person stand by and let our babies be killed? You're promting  death sentence for the most innocent! Hell, you don't even know what you're saying. I'm very sorry for you.

                1. Colebabie profile image60
                  Colebabieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Plenty of straight people have anal sex. And plenty of homosexuals do not.

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                    sneakorocksolidposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Thanks Cole I needed that!big_smile

  6. tantrum profile image61
    tantrumposted 7 years ago

    Defenesthratethis, Welcome to HP ! I do hope so ! smile

    1. defenestratethis profile image61
      defenestratethisposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Thank you Tamtrum, I really needed that smile

  7. AEvans profile image69
    AEvansposted 7 years ago

    I am Pro-Life but not against homosexuality either, I do not believe that abortion should be used as birth control, however there are some circumstances that I believe an abortion should be allowed but it is certainly not because someone wants to get rid of a pregnancy because they were to lazy to use birth control, just my opinion.

    1. IzzyM profile image88
      IzzyMposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      One of the few sensible replies in this whole thread AEvans, IMO, and thanks for it.

      It's obviously  personal opinion, everyone has their views, but to me abortion is murder and there has to be a damned good reason for it.
      In the UK, the law states that abortion may be carried out in women less than 24 weeks pregnant, unless the mental or physical health of the mother is at risk.
      Unfortunately the 'mental' part of the wording is where abortions get carried out on demand. Two doctors have to sign to say the mother would suffer severe mental consequences, and usually the second doctor does not even see the mother!
      A doctor was struck off just last week for arranging for her daughter to go to the continent for an abortion at 32 weeks! That is criminal!

  8. Dame Scribe profile image61
    Dame Scribeposted 7 years ago

    Are you talkin about the sacrificial sheep tongue lol

  9. Ron Montgomery profile image59
    Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago

    I wonder; if a fetus could be tested in such a way that we knew it would grow up to be a flaming queer, would it be OK to go ahead and abort it to spare it a life of sin and suffering?

    WWJD?

    1. AEvans profile image69
      AEvansposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Not abort it and no it can't be tested that is WHAT JESUS WOULD DO! smile

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      Brenda Durhamposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Jesus would call you to accountability for your nasty accusations toward His people, that's what He would do.

      And if you don't stop acting like a total jerk, I will too.

      1. Ron Montgomery profile image59
        Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I'm not one of his people?  Damn!  And I bought his CD, book, and breakfast cereal....

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          Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          He has a breakfast cereal now?

          1. Ron Montgomery profile image59
            Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Yes,  you've never had rapture flakes?

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              Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              No, but I've heard of  Frosted Right-wing nuts.

            2. defenestratethis profile image61
              defenestratethisposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              lol

          2. tantrum profile image61
            tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            It works miracles ! big_smile

            1. Ron Montgomery profile image59
              Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              They're great with sheep's milk.

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              Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Amen.

              1. tantrum profile image61
                tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this
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      sneakorocksolidposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Oh you're just so innocent!

      1. tantrum profile image61
        tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Nobody's innocent here. Not even the ones that should !

        1. Niteriter profile image78
          Niteriterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Sneako just gave you an opportunity to regain your innocence.

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          sneakorocksolidposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          You're right we're all guilty of defending our perspective on life. How you doing?smile

      2. Ron Montgomery profile image59
        Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        My question obviously struck a nerve.  Actually thinking through your hatefulness makes you a bit less comfortable with it.

        Good.

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    Denno66posted 7 years ago

    So, then I get to keep my hide?

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      Brenda Durhamposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Not if I have anything to say about it.

      I'm sick and tired of conservatives including myself being attacked and mocked because WE actually hold to a sense of right and wrong.

      Free speech is one thing.  But I draw the line at certain things.  I'm royally teed off and ain't afraid to say so.

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        Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Why thank you for erroneously labeling me a Liberal. It's not the sense of right or wrong that draws fire from some, oh, no wait, that's exactly it. big_smile

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          sneakorocksolidposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          This'll be good! What do you think is right and what do you think is wrong?

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            Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Right is leaving other people alone. Wrong is not leaving other people alone. That was fun! big_smile

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              sneakorocksolidposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Sounds like a great idea don't spew liberal nonsense and we won't bother you. You can defend your position and I will defend mine that would be called free speach! Now wasn't that fun!

              1. Niteriter profile image78
                Niteriterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                What is liberal nonsense? I need to know so I won't accidentally spill any.

                1. Ron Montgomery profile image59
                  Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  I think it's a sin to spill it on the ground.

                  1. Niteriter profile image78
                    Niteriterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Is spewing liberal nonsense the same as casting your seed?

                  2. Pandoras Box profile image81
                    Pandoras Boxposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    lol

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                Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Hmm, I think you missed my point. I'll redirect. Me no Liberal. You no bash me. Me no care what you believe. Gosh, this really is so fun!!! big_smile

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                  sneakorocksolidposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  I gave you too much credit, I'm sorry.

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                    Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    No need to be sorry, you have J.C. in your corner. big_smile

      2. Ron Montgomery profile image59
        Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        "Your" sense of right is seriously flawed.  You take a hateful interpretation of a single version of a collection of books and use it to harm others.  You even threaten bodily harm to those who playfully disagree with you.

        Christian morals?  You can keep them.

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          Brenda Durhamposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          No, you keep your nasty accusations and insinuations to yourself.

          1. Ron Montgomery profile image59
            Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I didn't insinuate anything.  I told you very directly what I think of narrow-minded bigots (more than once).

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              A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Wouldn't that make you a narrow minded bigot? Your mind is not open to the way Brenda see's things and that causes your bias towards her.

          2. AEvans profile image69
            AEvansposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Brenda just walk away that is what Jesus would do. smile

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              Brenda Durhamposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Done.  After I said my piece.

              Time comes when a person has to do that.

              1. AEvans profile image69
                AEvansposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                That is what he would do. smile

            2. Ron Montgomery profile image59
              Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Yes indeed.  Jesus was very non-confrontational and came to this world to uphold the status quo.  There must be yet another version of "the" bible floating about.

              1. AEvans profile image69
                AEvansposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                I have that one , I wonder what so many others have? mmmmm..... ***sigh*** if only people would do what they should do, others would really listen.sad

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          A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Gee Ron, where's the threat of bodily harm?

  11. Ohma profile image80
    Ohmaposted 7 years ago

    here we go again

  12. AEvans profile image69
    AEvansposted 7 years ago

    Really guys does everything have to be so extreme? smile **sigh** walk away, walk away and the Lord said, Amen.

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    Brenda Durhamposted 7 years ago

    This IS a serious discussion.

    I'm seriously disgusted at your attacks on Christianity, Ron.

    And now I'm leaving this thread to you, hopefully soon minus a few posts, if "right" is done by the moderators.

    I hope they delete the entire thread, actually.

    Enough is enough.

    1. tantrum profile image61
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Why should they delete the entire thread ?
      Don't you have any respect for the OP?

      You're always messing around and then you blame others !

      1. Ron Montgomery profile image59
        Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        They love to bash people who believe differently than they do.   Their enthusiasm wanes when the bashed defend themselves.

        1. tantrum profile image61
          tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          It's so boring and so obvious ! sad

      2. defenestratethis profile image61
        defenestratethisposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Thankyou tamtrum

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    Denno66posted 7 years ago

    Some Coke-drinkers swear that R.C. Cola is the Anti-Christ.

    1. Niteriter profile image78
      Niteriterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I might vote for that.

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        Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        It is, at least, conceivable. big_smile

        1. Niteriter profile image78
          Niteriterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Maybe even palatable! Unlike some arguments.

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            Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Sadly, that may be too true. big_smile

            1. Niteriter profile image78
              Niteriterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Do you think the thread's been hijacked sufficiently to pass a joke or two?

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    Denno66posted 7 years ago

    sneako's a good sport all in all.

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      sneakorocksolidposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Thanks! I love you all no mater your political persuation! Good night friends!big_smile

  16. mega1 profile image80
    mega1posted 7 years ago

    been wanting to ask this for a while now - when y'all discuss this over and over and over and over and over - does anyone ever get converted to your side of the question(s)?

    1. Stevennix2001 profile image83
      Stevennix2001posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      no, it never happens.  at least i have yet to see it.

  17. mega1 profile image80
    mega1posted 7 years ago

    have you sweet, nice, tender-hearted people ever heard of adrenaline-junkies?

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    mega1posted 7 years ago

    from wikipedia :  Adrenaline junkie is a term used to describe somebody who appears to be addicted to epinephrine (endogenous) and such a person is sometimes described as getting a "high" from life. The term adrenaline junkie was popularly used in the 1991 movie Point Break to describe individuals who enjoyed dangerous activities (such as extreme sports) for the adrenaline "rush". Adrenaline junkies appear to favour stressful activities for the release of epinephrine as a stress response. Doing this may result in physical harm because of the potential danger. Whether or not the positive response is caused specifically by epinephrine is difficult to determine, as endorphins are also released during the fight-or-flight response to such activities.

    I'm saying I've known several people who just love to get in an argument (any argument) just to get angered and adrenalized!  fun fun fun!

  19. Alota profile image60
    Alotaposted 7 years ago

    I know plenty of Gay people who are anti-abortion, you seem to be trying to suggest that all homosexuals are pro-abortion, my experience is that many of my friends who are gay are anti-abortion, I think you need to get out and speak to people rather than make assumptions for a sizeable number of the population.

  20. Alota profile image60
    Alotaposted 7 years ago

    As you will see from my hub "Lesbian Love" I am not anti-gay

 
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