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Torrents and illegal downloads are against HubPages TOS.

  1. sunforged profile image64
    sunforgedposted 7 years ago

    Torrents and illegal downloads are against HubPages TOS. This thread is closed.


    Step 1. open Hubpages TOS

    http://hubpages.com/help/user_agreement

    Step 2. press F3 or use find.

    Enter the word "torrent" , "torrents" "file sharing" or "public domain"

    No results?

    A link to a copyrighted material would be possibly "illegal download" ..but than again how many thousands of stolen indian actress photos are hosted here?

    A discussion about a file sharing protocol does not constitute illegal download either..obviously



    Is there another set of TOS we should be aware of as their have been some rather odd forum activities of late..new hires perhaps?

    So I request a public explanation
    http://hubpages.com/forum/post/853305 and reinstatement of said thread.

    i personally use torrent protocols to share my own video and media projects with other designers in our team and many other legal uses and as a result am protective of anyone perpetuating ignorance about a TOOL.

    Overzealous much?

    lol, i dont even care anymore

    1. tantrum profile image60
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Torrents is a free tool.
      As a free tool can be used for different purposes.
      I don't see why the thread was closed, as nobody was using Torrents on it.

      1. IzzyM profile image87
        IzzyMposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        The thread started with a discussion about downloading pirate films and music, because the first post talked about new movies not having seeds.
        Therefore the whole thread had to be closed because such illegal activity must be surely against TOS.

        1. tantrum profile image60
          tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          But nobody was downloading. They were comments only!
          Then they can close a thread, where one is posting about drugs, or crimes, or children abuse. It's only about opinions and comments. What's wrong with that ?

          1. IzzyM profile image87
            IzzyMposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I don't really know, I suppose they maybe think discussing such things might attract the wrong type of person to hubpages or something? Or maybe its because the forums get linked to our hubs where the google adsense is? who knows?

            1. tantrum profile image60
              tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Yes ! who knows! but it doesn't make sense to me ! As someone said, what about the thread of 'A bald vulva'? If that's not cheap !! yikes

              anyway ! lol

              1. IzzyM profile image87
                IzzyMposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                I didn't even read that thread. The title was enough! Was that not banned? If not, it should have been.

                1. tantrum profile image60
                  tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  I don't know. Msybe. I can't see it.
                  The point is, why can't we comment about torrents? It's not ilegal. It's a tool. If someone uses it for ilegal stuff, that's another story.
                  A lot of people find Torrents useful in many ways.

        2. SimeyC profile image88
          SimeyCposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Also it should be noted that Napster (the original) was a free tool - but it was deemed illegal by US courts and closed down - there were cases of Napster being used legally, but mostly it was not...the same can be said for Torrent - there are legitimate uses for it, but mostly it is used illegally.

          The thread in question was discussing the illegal uses of torrent, and listed other torrent sites....which I thought was against Hubpages TOS - had it been strictly....Torrent is cool I use it to share photos..then it probably would not have been closed...

    2. pauldeeds profile image
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      pauldeedsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      This is the section of the TOS that applies.

      Publish Hubs or Hub or Author Content that include any content or links that are pornographic, defamatory, libelous, tortious, vulgar, obscene, invasive of privacy, racially or ethnically objectionable, hateful, promotes or provides instructional information about illegal activities, promotes any act of cruelty to animals, or is otherwise offensive.

      Simply discussing bit torrent the protocol is fine.   But providing instruction on how to use torrents to violate the law is not.

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        Justine76posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/37131#post842771

        Im sorry, but when I try to click this link it goes all blinky..
        did someone say how to use them here? I swear to god Im not trying to be difficult, its an honest question....

        and I still hav no clue what  a torrent is?

        1. relache profile image88
          relacheposted 7 years ago in reply to this
          1. sunforged profile image64
            sunforgedposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            that is so cool

        2. pauldeeds profile image
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          pauldeedsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          In response to the first post, sunforged responded with a long list of links to bittorrent tracker sites, the implication being that if you wanted to avoid the "crackdown" and download new movies (most likely illegally), adding those trackers to your torrent client would help you find them.  That post was removed when the thread was closed.

          If you like, wikipedia is a good place to learn more about the legal gray area that torrent tracker sites operate in.

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            Justine76posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            thanks. I realize this most likely sounds silly, but I really did try to find out by myself after that last thread got closed, as I did not know what they were, and honestly did not know they are illegal, and am just trying to make sure I dont get myself in to trouble.  smile

            and thanks again Huanty!!

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      Justine76posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      this is funny
      I woke up today and wanted to start this thread....

      thanks

  2. Phoenix 69 profile image61
    Phoenix 69posted 7 years ago

    You'd be surprised what goes on here if you stay long enough.
    We have people not able to express opinions on a lot of things.
    Sometimes it seems that HP will close threads and ban people just because it's the easier thing to do.
    They don't allow a lot of room for debate on things. I've watched silently for less than a year.  Believe me, some things that go on here are depressing.
    That's why guys like A Texan and wsp2469 are no longer here!
    Yeah, more specifically, I don't think it should be a problem talking about anything in the forums.  I am not sure any kind of discussion in itself is illegal but maybe some of the HP sponsors are sites where you have to PAY to download music and movies.

    1. relache profile image88
      relacheposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      for a guy who says he's no longer here, you sure are obvious about it Phoenix (aka wsp2469)

      1. Phoenix Force profile image60
        Phoenix Forceposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Deleted

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          Justine76posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          tell your buddy hi  smile
          can we fan you?

  3. sunforged profile image64
    sunforgedposted 7 years ago

    eh, Its already water under the bridge for me, the act of typing released whatever minor annoyance I felt...but since I typed it all out and I felt so absolutely right..i hit submit anyway.

    Forums are a major productivity loss for me anyway..and I like WSP's writing just fine..but your buddy apparently wasnt catching on that our ultimate rulemakers are the advertisers that purchase from adwords (which includes me) who do not want to see their own paid ads sitting next to pictures that are not conducive to our (adwords buyers) traffic interests. There are publishing platforms for everyone, Im sure he can find a more appropriate fit and their are tons (maybe even more) ad networks that have no concerns about what types of pages they advertise on.

    but, i digress

    that really active "bald vulva" thread must seem rather ____________

    1. Phoenix 69 profile image61
      Phoenix 69posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I don't know.  The last I heard about the wsp thing is that they banned his account because it was easier than checking changes that he had made to a hub.  He had made changes to a hub that was supposedly off the air for a month and had no flaggings since then but when he asked that they check those month old changes and republish the hub they told him in so many words it was easier to ban his entire account then check on changes that were a month old.
      It seems to me that if you purchase ad space you should have a say as to where it is placed.  That's how it works other places.  So when you buy ads here they tell YOU where they are going to put your ads?  WHY do you advertise here if they do that?
      You should still care about that.  You were making a valid point.  Nothing wrong with talking about that particular subject. talking about dling stuff for free is not illegal.  I totally support your right to talk about that.
      But, I digress!  I love that little tribute line!  Good one!

  4. englightenedsoul profile image60
    englightenedsoulposted 7 years ago

    Sunforged I am really shocked that they closed that thread.  I can't even find a silly reason for that.  Last week one of my thread was also closed within 15 minutes where I had asked for help with the keyword academy.  But my thread may be against the TOS, But i dont see the mentioned thread against TOS in anyways!!

    1. sunforged profile image64
      sunforgedposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      well, i have a couple of hubs that suggest TKA and some other active members do also, i bet any of us would do our best to answer your questions within our hub comments.

      I doubt Hubs is specifically anti-TKA since Court was one of the last interviews at the payout chronicles

  5. englightenedsoul profile image60
    englightenedsoulposted 7 years ago

    I guess I have read one of your hub on TKA(off to read again) and also It is suggested by many experienced hubber.  I wanted to join but have a few problems signing up for the course.  I guess I would comment on your hub or else this forum will be closed to reply again because of my post.  Thanks sunforged. 

    And yes I was also shocked when they closed the thread because It was through hubpages I came to know about TKA.

  6. sunforged profile image64
    sunforgedposted 7 years ago

    just for future readers...the adwords/adsense network is huge, you dont buy ads at hubpages..you buy ads in the content network (the ads that show up at sites like and including hubpages) you can pick and exclude where you advertise but most of us dont get that precise...so for the ease of all advertisers there are certain rules that partner sites must follow --essentially a PG environment is required...there are tons of folks on both ends (adwords/adsense) that slip through, but..thats irrelevant to the spirit of the rules that hubpages and other adsense motivated sites must uphold

    1. Phoenix 69 profile image61
      Phoenix 69posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I did not know that!  So you can choose specifics you just don't have to/want to?  That makes sense then.  Interesting!
      Yes, you are certainly right.  Tons of folks slip through for sure!  In fact, you think that in and of itself would cause LESS people to be actually totally banned because there are so many people warranting attention of some sort.  Maybe sometimes it's not exactly "objective" police actions, if you know what I mean.
      Thanks sun; you have given us some valuable information there!

  7. englightenedsoul profile image60
    englightenedsoulposted 7 years ago

    Sunforged I left you a comment on your hub...Eagerly waiting  to  hear from you!!

    1. sunforged profile image64
      sunforgedposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      saw and responded in the hub

  8. thisisoli profile image62
    thisisoliposted 7 years ago

    But it is okay to provide instructional use on using torrents for non copyrighted materials.

    Would we get banned for talking about steam, or the new legit napster?

    Admittedly Torrents can be a bit of a minefield, and they are mainly used for illegal activities, but they also have a positive side.

  9. sunforged profile image64
    sunforgedposted 7 years ago

    It hasnt been stated that you must not speak of torrents.

    The original moderator stated the term torrent and illegal downloads were not allowed, which implied a synonymous relationship.

    Which is my complaint...tool and use of tool, two different things

    site owner came along and pointed out that discussion of the tool , or protocol is not disallowed.

    not sure if the original thread was reopened though?

    @simey, the thread did not list other torrent sites (which wouldnt be theoretically disallowed anyway from what i have heard so far) it listed trackers .. the links lead nowhere without having the correct software that they relate to

  10. Maddie Ruud profile image82
    Maddie Ruudposted 7 years ago

    I have edited Norah's response to omit the word "torrents," to avoid further confusion, but she was right to close the thread, as it was discussing illegal distribution of copyrighted material.  It does say in our TOS (and seems like common sense, besides) that we do not allow content promoting illegal activities.

    For the record, our TOS does also state that we retain our rights to remove any content, at any time, for any reason.  While we don't normally exercise this right, it is available to us should we need to unpublish content that puts us in legal jeopardy.

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      Justine76posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      its your site...
      like, in the US, most any place you get hired the paper work states, you can leave any time for any reason, AND you get fired any time for any reason, basically.

      thanks relache, going to look now.  smile I was considering limewire, but it is torrent related, so when I saw that they are illegal, I was just wondering why and what is it.

      see yall later!! have a good night.

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    Justine76posted 7 years ago

    well, I was hoping for soemthing in plian english..
    so far I found out how to freeze my screen, and how to sell a timeshare

    yay sarcastic google

    ill figure it out anyway

    1. Haunty profile image85
      Hauntyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Sweet dreams, Justine! smile

      I'll tell you what a torrent is and how it worx in an email tomorrow.

      1. profile image0
        Justine76posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        thanks you.  wink sleep well haunty, Im really not being difficult, im just a slow learner

        not everybody has always had a computer

 
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