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So they finally created synthetic life....

  1. kirstenblog profile image77
    kirstenblogposted 6 years ago

    Have you guys head the news story about the first ever man made life form? The DNA was mapped with a computer and implanted in a (I think dead) bacteria cell and sparked into life. I saw the report last night on the evening news. They were talking about the implications, from engineering life to absorb our CO2 emissions to the terrorist threat. The one thing they didn't go into (and the first thing I thought about) was the implication on religion. If the spark of life can be understood and even created by us then what of the need for a god creator?

    Also what of the chances that life is teeming in the universe, so long as a planet has the right conditions and the time for the spark to happen there should be life of amazing diversity out there.

    I would love to read what you guys think smile

    1. Shadesbreath profile image89
      Shadesbreathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I think it's totally cool. I just heard about it this morning on the radio and need to do some reading.  But, interesting for sure.  My first thought was not of implications on god/gods but of disease. If we create a synthetic disease, can we kill it when it runs amok?

      Far as a creator goes, religion will do what it always does and just move the bar back.  THE creator will be the one that imbued us with the ability be minor creators, all part of the plan.  Might need a new religion to pop up to explain it because the further we get from origins of some of the popular religions of the day, the harder those old desert stories get to swallow, but something new will come along.  They don't have departments in colleges and libraries devoted to "religious studies" for nothing.  smile

    2. montheroid profile image59
      montheroidposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      What's more important than the potential of Biotech, is just how fast they could WIPE THE PLANET CLEAN of all life.

      I shrugged this stuff off until I found out that it nearly happened already, several times!

      There's a cracked.com article with the details, it's called "How a Biotech Company Almost Killed The World".

      I'd be VERY careful what we create and put out there, we only have one planet right now

    3. qwark profile image61
      qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Kirsten:
      If you've read my "hubs," I predicted this years ago!
      Yesterdays science fiction is tomorrows reality!
      I am so happy to see it come to fruition!
      Now if man can "get smart" and visualize/realize all the wonders this marvelous advancement can produce, it could and should be wonderful!

      1. Shadesbreath profile image89
        Shadesbreathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Man will do what he usually does and figure out weapons applications first since that's where the lion's share of R&D money is.

        1. qwark profile image61
          qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Shades:
          Probably!  Damnit!   :-(

    4. NightEmpress profile image61
      NightEmpressposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      R.I.P.

    5. TMMason profile image71
      TMMasonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      It poroves it takes a creator, to create life.

      1. Mark Knowles profile image61
        Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        So - paarsurrey is right? LOLOLOLOL

        1. TMMason profile image71
          TMMasonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Just seems to me that a bunch of scientists standing around in a laboratory designing and creating life, is the definition of intelligent design.

          I don't see religion folding anytime soon.

          Besides we have already seen the science world lie once about creating life... "Miller-Urey". Thier atmospheric conditions were nothing near the premordial earth.

          But yet they touted it, and in some cases still do, as though it was a fact that they had created life.

          More info please. We know how long it took to get the facts of the last time straight.

          1. Mark Knowles profile image61
            Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Burble burble...

            1. TMMason profile image71
              TMMasonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              thats okay, mark.

              I know there is no excuse for what they did.

              It leaves you at a loss for words in your attempt to justify it, but thats okay.

      2. Anesidora profile image82
        Anesidoraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Chalk one up for Mark. Or was it shades? Either way, good call.

    6. thisisoli profile image59
      thisisoliposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Religion, along with the templeton foundation, love to point out gaps in science, every time one gap gets filled, they jsut go find another gap in science to gloat about, until science figures that one out too.

      1. Shadesbreath profile image89
        Shadesbreathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        That's because in order to finally and totally disprove God you have to, well, disprove God.

        You can't prove a negative.  It doesn't work. 

        Scientist:  "I have discovered the secret combination to start life from nothing!"

        Believer:  "Who made it possible for that to happen?"

        Etc.

    7. profile image0
      sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I think it is amazing!  However...don't take this the wrong way but it would seem that this would be in favor of the ID belief.  That man was created.

      1. Mark Knowles profile image61
        Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Why is that? It is possible to make synthetic life, therefore there MUST have been a person created man and it could not have occurred without and evolution is a lie?

        LOL I am sure some believers will go that way, but that is not exactly an "argument in favor" is it?

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          sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I didn't say anything about evolution being a lie.  Don't get your panties all bunched up.  lol I was just saying that the op particular argument would seem to favor the idea that man had been created.

          Doesn't mean there are magical giant men hanging out in space watching over us with thunder bolts but if you can create life in a dish using as genome so complex that it could create life from no life then we get to move onto more complex questions about life.

          Could life really have been created?  The answer is without a doubt, yes it could have but was it is the question we cannot answer... yet anyways. 

          What I am more interested in and because I do insist that evolution is NOT a lie, is that if they can create life in a dish and we do evolve according to our environments then the possibility of populating an otherwise uninhabitable planet might be in the future.

          edit- among other things too of course.  big_smile  Grow me some gills please. lol

          1. Mark Knowles profile image61
            Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            LOL

            Not seeing why it favors the idea that man was intentionally, intelligently created by an intelligent designer. Maybe you could explain why you think that is the case? Because it seems to me that you do not understand evolution.

            Evolution could not have been started with a developmental destination pre-planned. If that is the case - then all we know and understand about evolution need to be discarded as wrong. Therefore the current "pinnacle" - us - was not planned and/or created, therefore there could not be an intelligent designer. Therefore ID is the religious nonsense that it always has been.

            But I am interested in hearing your argument. I suppose if we did manage to manipulate evolution in a god-like fashion and deliberately create sentient life in the next few billion years..... but drawing the ID conclusion from this is a rather large stretch don't you think?

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              sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              lol I know funny right, at least you haven't lost your sense of humor. wink

          2. alternate poet profile image78
            alternate poetposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Interesting I think - this is not how life could have been intelligently designed, but it is how the quasi-theory itself was designed. A few 'christian' pseudo-scientists with all the elements made it up as a mimic of life, from the genome, or blueprint, that a few theologians (pseudo-philosophers) created.

  2. Greek One profile image77
    Greek Oneposted 6 years ago

    Scientists have already created life forms before... and the results have been devastating......

    http://cityrag.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/joan_rivers_plastic_surgery.jpg

    1. Shadesbreath profile image89
      Shadesbreathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      There's some gal I've seen on the Hollywood shows my wife watches sometimes that looks like she has a face that's half cat, half salamander and half WTF!  I wish I knew her name or I'd post pics.  Makes Joan Rivers look like a Disney princess.

      1. mega1 profile image80
        mega1posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        yep and Disney princesses are not all they are cracked up to be!  (whatever that means)

      2. blondepoet profile image79
        blondepoetposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Yes Yes I know who you are talking about I will brb

        1. blondepoet profile image79
          blondepoetposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          found her Jocelyn Wildenstein

          http://sosharon.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/jocelyn-wildenstein.jpg

      3. Bill Miller profile image60
        Bill Millerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Is this the Freak show that you're thinking of?

        http://www.google.com/images?q=Photo+of … CCYQsAQwAA

    2. Daniel Carter profile image91
      Daniel Carterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Yes, it appears that even cloning is not fool-proof. There are genetic flaws. I'm sure that this breakthrough could be as wonderful as it is devastating. In the wrong hands, we would have a new form of terrorism.

    3. livelonger profile image87
      livelongerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Technically, that's a life-like form.

      1. Bill Miller profile image60
        Bill Millerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Now that's funny!

  3. Reality Bytes profile image93
    Reality Bytesposted 6 years ago

    Once the technology exists to create products (humans) through scientific method there will be no need for procreation.  The sterilization of humanity can proceed. That technology already exists and is slowly being implemented through the food and water supply.  It will be a wonderful new world once they can eliminate the DNA of the miscreants.  It may take a few generations but what is a couple of centuries to global control.

  4. Mark Knowles profile image61
    Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago

    1. Excited to see where this leads
    2. Scared that they have no clue what they have let out of the box
    3. Scared they know exactly what they have and the "elite" will use it
    4. 95% of the religionists will say this is what it says in the bible and it validates their beliefs (after a few arguments). The other 5% will say it is an abomination against the Lord that should be illegal. 50/50 chance they will win the argument - at least in the short term. wink
    5. Excited to see where this leads.

    50/50 scared/excited

    Scared
    Excited
    Scared
    Excited

    Just can't make my mind up.........

    1. Greek One profile image77
      Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      scarcited?

      1. Mark Knowles profile image61
        Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        That'll work. LOL - I trust people who think they can create new life forms about as much as the ones who think a God told them stuff into their head. I usually have 2 words for these guys.

        Rabbits
        Australia

        wink

        1. Shadesbreath profile image89
          Shadesbreathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I feel sort of the same about those guys trying to make a "controlled black hole."  Totally cool, but... what if it swallows the f-ing planet?

          1. Mark Knowles profile image61
            Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Tell me about it - I live close to that and am waiting for a black hole to appear. Controlled? Like the way we control oil when it comes up out a well? wink

            1. Shadesbreath profile image89
              Shadesbreathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              LOL yeah, probably be exactly like that.

    2. trooper22 profile image60
      trooper22posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I agree/not sure that I agree

      That is to say that Mark hit it...


      I am not sure how I feel about this.
      I know that this is exciting news; yet I worry that those that control our culture will use it to do harm.  It is the nature of our beast to exert our power to further the influence of "everthing is mine because GOD said so" culture.

  5. raisingme profile image90
    raisingmeposted 6 years ago

    I know lots of people who already live a synthetic life - there is nothing new under the sun!

  6. Smart Rookie profile image73
    Smart Rookieposted 6 years ago

    http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/7687/medium149.jpg
    I find this most intriguing.

    big_smile

    1. Adam9000 profile image59
      Adam9000posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      HAhahaahah kHAAAAAAN

  7. TheGlassSpider profile image82
    TheGlassSpiderposted 6 years ago

    I'm firmly in the scared camp on this one...I just don't think we have an appropriate grasp on the ethical side of things. I can see this being used for bioweapons.

    All scientists start out thinking they're going to save the world, but so much of the work of the best and brightest ends up being used for destruction or by the elite or just to serve greedy people's whims. *sigh* I think it *could* be a good thing, but that humanity in general won't let it be that way.

    Like they said in Jurassic Park, "Just because we can do it, does that mean we SHOULD?"

    Check out Margaret Atwood's Oryx and Crake. I just finished it last week, maybe that's why I'm so creeped out about this news.

  8. Healthy Living Is profile image75
    Healthy Living Isposted 6 years ago

    Great Post.

  9. BDazzler profile image83
    BDazzlerposted 6 years ago

    When I was in school the idea of a "computer virus" was theoretical. We discussed the concept of self replicating programs, and not long after I left school,the creation of these viruses was a common advanced programming exercise. 

    No harm, they were just cool little self-replicating programs.  The debate raged on about whether or not these self-replicating programs were, in fact, artificial life forms.

    Regardless of which side of the debate you are on, most of us can agree that computer viruses are no longer "harmless self replicating programs".

    Regardless of your religious views, or lack thereof ... the human race now has , or soon will, have the capacity to create never before seen bio-weapons. 

    Our fist foray into "synthetic life" ... computer viruses created an internet plague.  I have little faith that biological synthetic life will be any better.

  10. profile image0
    zampanoposted 6 years ago

    Well,
    If God created Man by His Own Image, it works.
    Man becomes God. hehehe

    If Man created God from His Own Image, It works too.
    God becomes Man. hehehe

    It works anyways you puthest it.
    there was a song that went like this :
    Just a slob like one of us...
    Just a stranger on the bus
    Trying to make his way home

    1. qwark profile image61
      qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I'm hoping that man will create conscious life.
      If he can do that, the deadly. primitive myth of this god thing should disappear and be replaced by reason and logic.

      1. TMMason profile image71
        TMMasonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Why would it disappear Quark?

        Creating life is just one of Gods things.... create all from nothing.

        Then we'll talk.

        1. qwark profile image61
          qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          The question would be: Why would it not disappear?
          There's nothing special about life in the universe.
          If "simple" man can make it, it puts man on the same level as the fairytale god...and the creation of conscious life would mean that there is nothing that conscious, thinking, imaginative, curious man cannot perform.....what would be the need of mythical god/s to lean on when we can do it all ourselves...independently!
          The god concept would become just a laughable memory of primitive insecurity.
          problem is, man, being the earths prime predator, would most likely find another reason to destroy himself.
          The god concept was doing a good job, but once gone, I'm sure man would find another reason to finish the job.

          1. TMMason profile image71
            TMMasonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Again.,.. your talking about a lab and scientists... not spontainious life from organic matter. Niether are you talking about the creation of matter and mass from nothing...

            so I don't see a threat to God.

            I think all you non-believers are just a lil too excited about this, and cannot keep the reality of it straight. As I stated earlier... I would like more info on it.

            Alot has been claimed by science, only to be proved to be embellished or exagerated.... if not an out and out lie. So I will wait to see what comes of it... and out in regards to it also.

            1. qwark profile image61
              qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              lolol...Life is life my friend....
              Regardless if it is created by serendipity or man.
              It will be made of the "original" stuff of the universe.
              This god thing you imagine and only offer opinions of, has no relevance in anything but your imagination.
              I live in a "real" world which stimulates me.
              My response, in this case is utilizing all the wisdom I've gained in this life to make my life enjoyable and hope that the future may produce a species of human being that is no longer fearful, ignorant and dependant upon myth to offer it solace in it's time of need.
              At this moment in our evolutioin we are pitifully immature.

            2. mrpopo profile image89
              mrpopoposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              How are we supposed to make something out of nothing? We are material beings, we are something... whatever we make comes from something - us.

              You'll never find something like that because it contradicts logic. Whatever you're expecting to disprove God will never happen.

              1. qwark profile image61
                qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Mrpopo:
                Pls enlighten me. I don't think  you can.
                What is this god thing you mentioned?
                It is not defined as being "fact" in scripture.
                It is referred to, but leaves what "it" is up to your imagination.
                Soooo, pls helpme. What is "it" you are talking about not being able to disprove?
                If you can't do this, I'm afraid I'll just have to add you to my ever growing list of those who are not credible.
                Pls go for it....make me look silly. I challenge ya!   :-)

              2. alternate poet profile image78
                alternate poetposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Well everything came from nowhere if time and space are as we imagine it to be - and it is only that (usual) thinking that requires a beginning and looks forward to an end.

                If we 'create' life from inert matter then maybe one day we can create a god, or would we be god ??  Hmmmmmm

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            zampanoposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            You don't even have to quote God.
            I mean you're the father of your children, aren't you ?
            God is not in bed with our wives. (... I hope...)
            If life ever disappears, which it won't, it'll just change from "us", it'll be due to our doings.

        2. alternate poet profile image78
          alternate poetposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Maybe the plan is to create humanish beings who are programmed to work long hours every day for next to nothing, programmed to think Bush is a good guy and Walmart the place to buy stuff. Then they can implant a ridiculous myth in their monocellular brain so that every sunday they can go and worship their c-r-e-a-t-o-r in a big house.  Save the trouble of pretending human rights then I guess.

    2. Shadesbreath profile image89
      Shadesbreathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      There's a metaphysics thought exercise that goes something along the lines of:

      Assume all the technology you need exists, and you create a computer simulated world complete with terrain, people, weather, everything.  The people in your world coexist, make lives, marry, have children, occupy different jobs, even homelessness, they get sick, die, etc.  It's a very fancy program.

      In the course of running, your computer program's people develop the ability to create computers and computer programs, one of which is a program that simulates a realistic world with people and weather and everything just like your program.

      That world develops a computer program too, etc.

      QUESTIONS:

      1. What does that make you?

      2. How do you know you aren't living in a simulation?

      3. How far away, how many simulations, might you (we) be from the original creator?

      4. Is there an original creator?

      Etc.

      1. TMMason profile image71
        TMMasonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I watched a movie based on that theory... it was quite interesting. The Actor who plays Goren, the cop from Law and Order, was in it. He played a pscho, wasn't bad.

        1. Shadesbreath profile image89
          Shadesbreathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Yeah, sci-fi authors have been messing with this stuff for a long time.  It's sort of in the ball park with the Turing Machine and the Chinese Room Experiment.  I love that kind of stuff.

          1. TMMason profile image71
            TMMasonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            It was a good movie... the creator of the program would enter it and go on serial killing sprees in a mid fifties or so era... then the wife of the killer scientist guy fell for one of the guys in the comp prog, and brought him back to her world after they killed her husband...

            But that left me wondering... would not mean her world was also a program....

            I don't know... but good flik anyways.

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        zampanoposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Far out man !
        metaphysics is a name you give to secrets unveiled.
        All is simulation of a non expressible reality.
        hehehe. Yes I've uncorked another bottle.


        quoting quark :
        I'm hoping that man will create conscious life.
        If he can do that, the deadly. primitive myth of this god thing should disappear and be replaced by reason and logic.

        Man ! Man creates conscious life every time he makes a child man !
        We just don't stop creating conscious life and then...
        we achieve an educational process that turns it into unconscious life...

        1. raisingme profile image90
          raisingmeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I like, I like, I like - bring 'em in conscious n' then dumb 'em down as fast as you can - the name of the game on planet Earth!

          1. alternate poet profile image78
            alternate poetposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            quote from somewhere or someone - from real teachers remarks on report cards allegedly.

            Your son sets low personal standards and then consistently fails to achieve them.

  11. profile image68
    logic,commonsenseposted 6 years ago

    Here I always thought Joe Biden and Bill Maher were the first forms of synthetic life! smile

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      Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      hahaha


      I wonder where Joe Biden is these days?
      Reckin they finally put him in a closet and duct-taped his mouth?  big_smile

  12. skyfire profile image73
    skyfireposted 6 years ago

    2010 is good year for science. CERN's LHC is successful and now synthetic life.

    And this is in support to ID ? *beats me*
    atleast it's clear t hat life can't be created in a hocus-focus hogward magic religious way.

  13. dutch84 profile image61
    dutch84posted 6 years ago

    Some would say that this is not really synthetic life. That in fact it is "reprogramming a computer as opposed to building one from scratch".

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home … 966474.cms

  14. optimus grimlock profile image60
    optimus grimlockposted 6 years ago

    well we'll know if the bible is right or not

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    Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago

    The Bible will never be disproven.

    1. Anesidora profile image82
      Anesidoraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Neither will the Koran. Nice, huh? Good luck with that.

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        Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Oh yeah it will.
        At the end of days.

        1. Anesidora profile image82
          Anesidoraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Like I said, good luck with that.

    2. skyfire profile image73
      skyfireposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Lol, really ?
      what's left in bible to disprove  anyway  tongue

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        Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        All of it.
        In particular I'd dare anyone to disprove Genesis 1:1.
        Which is, I suppose, the intent of this thread, even?
        And it ain't workin' yet.

        1. Mark Knowles profile image61
          Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          LOL

          I would love to see you prove any of it. LOLOLOLOL

        2. skyfire profile image73
          skyfireposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Not really, 7 days creation is myth and if you want to try proving it then try with all your favorite creationism pseudo-scientists to prove it. In between show me the noah's ark. tongue

          Genesis 1:1 is also story unless it is proved, is there proof for it from your side ? It's easy to manipulate words and play with it but when it comes to proof brain cells starts to shake like haiti quake. tongue

          All of it is for your satisfaction, look around it is falling.  wink

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    Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago

    Thank you!

 
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