So I recently found out that hubpages now lets us know what hubbers sign up through our links (good job by the way hp) and so I decided to check and see who they were and how they're doing.
Turns out only 3 of my 8 sign ups have actually made any hubs whatsoever...
So that made me wonder exactly how many hubbers sign up and then do absolutely nothing?
You can estimate.
There are over 212,000 Hubbers. There have been 631 Hubs published the past 24 hours. Assume this is a representative day. We're looking at about 1900 new Hubs per month.
If they were distributed evenly, that would be about 1% of Hubbers publish at least one Hub per month.
Pareto's principle says 20% of the Hubbers will publish 80% of the Hubs, though. This means that about 1500 of those Hubs will belong to a smaller group of more active Hubbers, and only 360 Hubs will remain amongst the less active majority, meaning it is well under 1% who publish at least one Hub in a month.
Even if you define "Active" as one Hub a year (so as to include Misha ), with the 80/20 rule in play we're still talking about less than 10% of Hubbers meeting that looser definition of "Active".
Either way you slice it, that's a very small number of published Hubs across a very large number of HubPages accounts.
There are 10 authors per page, so if you go to the last page of the latest author list you will discover that there are about 21,500 published authors, and if you go to the last page of the latest hub list you'll find out that there are about 107,000 published hubs. If you go the main forum page you'll see that there are 212,000 users signed up. So from that, about 10% currently have a published hub.
It seems that Jenny got pretty close using pareto's principle (except that I think she meant 19,000 new hubs a month, not 1900). A lot of people sign up, and never publish anything (and some publish a lot, and quickly get banned ).
Wow. That's amazing. I had no idea. I assumed most of the people who sign up publish, at least once in awhile.
Can you explain the "some publish a lot, and quickly get banned" thought you shared...?
i thought i would teach math at your house! ha
im trying to be active. non active is boring. like when you sign up at an online community and never log in or do anything except add friends and contacts. then they never log in and take up server space with their account....
"If they were distributed evenly, that would be about 1% of Hubbers publish at least one Hub per month."
Only a hub per month per average hubber?
WoW, i think we need to do something to improve this rate...
Well... Impressive math skills Jenny. Looks like you were right. Thanks for answer my question.
Thanks to you too Paul.
Thats about what I expected but its nice to know for sure.
Most of them never publish at all. Right now, I have 50 sign-ups under my trackers. Of those, 14 hubbers have actually published a hub. Of those 14 hubbers, 8 of them did one hub each and that's it. The majority of the 127 hubs published were built by two hubbers who have 56 and 42 hubs, respectively. Everyone else is a deadbeat
What I find strange is that some of my signups have gone to al the trouble of creating a good profile, then never actually published a Hub. They say they are writers, too!
After a lot of deliberation I decided to write them each an email, welcoming them to HubPages, and wondering why they haven't made a Hub. I've pointed them to some of Darkside's "How To Hub" pages in case they had trouble working out where to start.
No responses yet.
I invited several of my friends, but they told me they just do not like to write. Honestly I think it is more fun and worthwhile to write here at hubpages than posting at myspace and other sites, but that is just my opinion.
i can agree to that. i hate posting on myspace. it is my least favorite place to go. not that this doesnt have anyhting commercial, it just feels shoved down your throat on myspace.
and myspace seems teeny bopper.....make sense?
THis is interesting. I've checked mine. I have 19 referrals which sounds really promising.
They have so far produced 30 Hubs (more than I have).
Now comes the breakdown:
1 Hubber has produced 18 Hubs
2 have produced 4 Hubs
1 has produced 2 Hubs
2 have produced 1 Hub each. But 13 of the 19 have produced nothing!
I think this is common in the web 2.0 world and in life in general.
In any voluntary organisation you find around 80% of the work is done by around 20% of the membership. Only a small proportion of signups for Second Life are active participators.
Incidentally, I love it when Jenny posts. She always brings clarity and wisdom to every topic. But Pareto's principle? How come I've never heard a name for it before? Maybe its a Southern hemisphere principle? Anyway, I have to go now. I need to look something up on Google!
Quoting from Wikipedia:
"The Pareto principle (also known as the 80-20 rule, the law of the vital few and the principle of factor sparsity) states that, for many events, 80% of the effects comes from 20% of the causes. Business management thinker Joseph M. Juran suggested the principle and named it after Italian economist Vilfredo Pareto, who observed that 80% of income in Italy went to 20% of the population. It is a common rule of thumb in business; e.g., "80% of your sales comes from 20% of your clients."
So its not a Southern Hemisphere thing - It's Italian in origin. You learn something new every day (on HubPages!)
Naturally, you will get between 4% and 10% of your signups writing hubs. The percentage will be nearer 10% if the website is very good and closer to 4% if the website is below average. College politico has 3 out of 8 sign up which is a whopping 37%. When your signups increases to 100 plus, then this percentage will stabilize 4% to 10%.
And hope and pray that the new signups will publish a lot of hubs without getting banned.
Yes I have noticed the odd drop in my signup Hub numbers; particularly when Maddy joined the HubPage team. Which is fine by me as I support getting rid of spammers who intend to direct traffic away from Hubpages.
Those are interesting figures- putting on my analytical hat- I wonder why some people do go to all the trouble of making a nice profile then never publishing?
It would be nice to find out some reasons, I always like to research these kinds of things, and wonder if one of the reasons is that they are nervous about writing? Or?????
I was inactive for some months after I signed up at hubpages. I think I had 2 hubs and they were really bad. (I've already deleted them, by the way.) Although I wanted to write, I just couldn't think of anything to write.
I still feel that way sometimes. It takes me a long time to compose hubs, and most of them never get finished after the first paragraph. The idea is in the head, but I can't put together the words to shape the idea.
Yes they do 'remove' them - particularly if more than one person flags. There used to be far more spam hubs than regular ones (if you looked through Hubs/Latest). Since Maddie Ruud joined the staff of HubPages (one of her responsibilities to deal with spam) the numbers have greatly reduced. Also the Hub Score system works against spammers (unless they are very clever) so their scores drop to the point that they don't get any traffic anyway.
Believe it or not
More than 1100 hubs of one of my referrals were removed by the mods!
I am sad and happy at the same time!
omg!! how can any single person publish 1100 articles.??
Given that all the text is copied content, apparently not. And I especially like the deceptive tag angle... including "most popular dvd rentals" on hubs that not only don't actually have any content about that, but also represent years that pre-date the invention of the DVD.
Teacher Michelle (ripplemaker) and I often talk about that and she expressed that she feels the same way. Could it have something to do with English being our second language? Composing articles in English requires effort since we don't "think" in English. We need to translate everything (unconsciously or sometimes we struggle to find the right words) into English before the thought in the brain becomes words on the page.
Sometimes the words flow and sometimes we hit a brick wall.
If English is your second language, why don't you write in your native language first then translate it to English? it would be double the work but writing in your native language first would be more natural for you and you would maybe find it alot easier to get into the flow.....jimmy
Uh, because it's very difficult to spell the words? Hehe. Seriously though, we have no literary ability whatsoever when writing in our native dialect. I've tried reading a local dialect newspaper and decoding all those words gave me a headache each time. We've never been trained to write and read in our local dialect, we just speak it.
(By the way, the Philippines has many dialects, and unlike the United States where there's one language (English) spoken with different accents, our country has several different dialects that sound as Greek as Greek to those who don't speak it.)
Thanks for the suggestion though, Jimmy.
You made me remember the "translation jokes" we have. Sentence construction between our two languages is so different that it sounds really funny when translated literally sometimes. Hey, maybe I can compile a list of those funny English translations and write a hub about it... *lightbulb coming on.
(Something's wrong with the formatting of the boxes my posts are in. Did I accidentally press something? )
I can understand language barriers being an issue. I wouldnt be bothered by something like that as a reason to not "hub" as much. I havent been around the community long enough to know everyone or even anything for that matter to formulate a good opinion as to what hinders a peson from hubbing.
I know that I joined as a place that I can share my thoughts and ideas without being shot down, and at the same time, have a chance to turn a little money out of it. The greater hope is that with this, I can turn it into something much bigger down the road.
To me, why would you sign up and not post anything? I can understand the spammers. cheap easy money. Wrong way to do it, but I get the money want.
With so many subjects and so many opinions on this planet, I could see so many more people writing so much more on the site.
You're right, gspyda. There are many subjects on the planet but only so much that we can honestly say we know enough of to write an article on. I am wary about writing something that I just researched through the internet (unless I've proven for myself that it's accurate and the proving takes time and experience) for fear that I may have gathered the wrong information.
Now if only I were more opinionated... Hehe.
I have a feeling that Susan Ng will have to think in English and write in English. Translation will just make it worse.
Think, think, thiiink...
*goes off and sings the Blue's Clues theme.
Hahahaha Teacher Susan, we better make a goal of some sort to finish a certain number of hubs at a given period. I agree with you. Can't write it in our native language and translate it...that would make it worse. Hmmmmm think think think.... zip a dee do dah zip a dee ay
Hey! Tell me Mark. Have you ever had an hair raising experience in life(Just having fun)
Hair raising? I guess I have had a few of those. What do you mean by hair raising though? Scary? Almost died sort of thing?
Of course, I have no hair left to raise....
I guess I should find the courage [not] to be a part of your statistical research on HP dropouts. Seven days ago I finally decided to join--and as technically challenged as I am--I have some personal reasons to persevere; otherwise, I would have thrown in the towel, too.
How many like me? I made it to step 3...started my title, and for the life of me wasted hours and days until I somehow figured out where to write my content. I won't say it's a complete waste wandering around HP as I learned a few things. When I finally realized that to EDIT is to start writing, [sigh] somehow I was glad I had serendipity moments coming across Lissie's design tips. I'll have to try a few more of her tricks later, but I more or less survived getting through a simple post. Finally, I would have been happy if I did not see the google adsense that came in. I'm glad I did not hit PUBLISH yet...reason I'm a-wandering again!
Isn't this enough weight to drag a new hubber out of the picture? Maybe I'll be taking you out of your thread if I ask how to control the kind of adsense you want to get on your hub. All the ads were not only far from my topic...completely opposed to my values. I'll be lucky if I can figure this out in the next 7 days. Need you wonder more? [more sigh]
Hhmmm...how come you all don't have the 'edit/delete' that I have on my post [bottom right]?
You can only edit/delete you OWN posts, not anyone else's.
P.S. And ignore the Adsense ads that appear at first - it takes a day or two for the software to work out what your Hub topic is and choose appropriate ads. When it comes to values, Adsense won't allow porn, gambling, or illegal stuff, but beyond that they don't restrict advertisers.
If you don't want the money anyway, just write non-commercial Hubs and switch off the ads. (See sticky thread for definition of "commercial" and "non-commercial".)
Everybody has it on their own posts You just don't see this - cause those posts are not yours...
And welcome to Hugpages!
sorry, I meant "lying IN wait" - like a cat watching a mouse hole ...
To both M. & I....thank you so much. I guess I don't need to wait for another 7 days. Well, I'm hoping I could earn a few pennies to contribute to my retirement. LOL. Now the agony begins...Grandma tells us not to have tatoos, why then is she promoting it in her hub? How in the world did it get there?
Don't get me wrong. I have nothing against people making their own choices. I'm not comfortable though when I preach something to my young charges and not follow through. Sorry, I'm taking you off from your thread? Thanks...great help for a starter.
I had tattoo ads on one of my first Hubs, too, but they were gone pretty quickly. Just don't tell the grandkids about the Hub until after the ads come right
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