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Too many Nattering nabobs of Negativism

  1. Uninvited Writer profile image83
    Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago

    I never thought I'd quote Spiro T. Agnew but it was written by William Safire. He used it to refer to the press. I think the political section of forum is being taken over by the "nattering nabobs." There is nothing wrong with criticizing but when you constantly do it and have nothing to add on how to improve things what is the point? Surely there must be something positive in your life?

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      Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Why didn't you tell that to the liberals and atheists who swooped in on anyone who said conservative things all this time?  Ever since I've been on here to attest to that fact anyway.

      Oh...that's right....you're one OF those liberals....
      And like the government can't investigate itself, neither would I expect you to hold yourself responsible for anything;  nope, not anything at all.   You are very very negative;  I even see paranoia in that post of yours.

      1. Flightkeeper profile image77
        Flightkeeperposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        lol lol lol lol It's too funny! lol lol lol

        You hit it right on the head. lol

      2. Uninvited Writer profile image83
        Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Did I say it was only conservatives who do this? I didn't, there is much negativity on every side.

        Believe me, I am not paranoid. Give me an example of paranoia? I am not a negative person. You are good at seeing things in people you disagree with that are not there.

      3. Daniel Carter profile image91
        Daniel Carterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        And I think you could use a dose of your own medicine, Brenda. What insights and solutions are you offering that are inclusive of all people in all religions or political ideologies that I'm not aware of?

        And I am in complete agreement with UW. There is derision and contempt on all sides, and few offer any worthwhile, inclusive solutions that show equality for all.

        I'm working on my own self and how I look at things as a way to try to begin to solve a few little problems. Perhaps some will make fun of that, but I think a change of heart and insight is where all problems begin their solution.

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        ryankettposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Oh dear Brenda, it looks like your imagining things again, have you taken your medication today?

    2. ilmdamaily profile image90
      ilmdamailyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Amen.

      I'm as guilty of anyone else of that.

      My suggestion as to how to improve things?

      Tear the whole freaking thing apart. Everything. The defects of our present system of living are so extensive as to be way beyond merely incidental, and are in fact systemic. There is way more wrong than there is right, and for that reason, it all must burn.

      And all of my contributions on the (political & social) forum are made in that anarchist spirit:-)

    3. livelonger profile image90
      livelongerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Today's Republicans/Tea Partiers don't really have a plan about how they'd govern if they were to be elected. They're against everything, but for nothing (unless it's to start a new war that I'm unaware of).

      They're basically arguing for their status as an opposition party.

      1. Pcunix profile image90
        Pcunixposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        No, it is more than that,. There is genuine and understandable disenchantment with government.  Unfortunately, too many of the disenchanted aren't very bright and their antics sometimes tends to drown out the intelligence that can be a part of this.

        If we could strip away the racism and fear of homosexuality, the mindless flag waving, the fervent religious blabbering, there are issues we could at least have rational discussions about.   That we will be distracted by the unintelligent is unavoidable, that we will disagree on basic principals is expected, but there are things worth talking about rather than talking past.

        It isn't easy.  I get pulled off track by the nut cases as easily as any of us and it is all too easy to be misunderstood when you can't inflect,  soften, wave your hands and wink and grimace as you can when face to face.  It's too easy to get angry and dismiss the other person as a hopeless fool.  We have all done  it and we will continue to do it.

        That shouldn't stop us from trying to see the other guys point of view.  I appreciate the arguments against big government and can even partially agree.  I have strong reasons for believing that big has benefits also, but am willing to listen to why someone disagrees.   I am not in favor of unbridled capitalism, but we can certainly talk about where the limits should be.  I believe that the rich should be taxed more, but we can certainly talk about fairness and alternative revenue streams.

        We are going to disagree.  None of us are smart enough to be doing anything more than guessing about most of this stuff.  Rather than insulting each other constantly, why don't we look for opportunities to hear each other?

        1. livelonger profile image90
          livelongerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I agree with all of you, and I do think there are sensible conservatives out there (although relatively few nowadays, and very, very few in the HubPages political forums). I will call out ledefensetech as a conservative who had pretty solid reasoning behind his positions. I rarely agreed with him, but at least he was coherent.

          But a lot of the cranky, incoherent ranting that passes for conservative thinking this days starts with the current leadership, which is more concerned with tearing down the Obama administration by throwing everything possible at him than with putting out actual, actionable proposals of their own. It really is more than a turnoff to hear a bunch of bitching, moaning and insults, but complete silence when asked for an actual, concrete counterproposal.

          1. rebekahELLE profile image90
            rebekahELLEposted 6 years ago in reply to this


            I think some of the most intelligent political discussions I've heard or read are with those from the millennial generation, the 20 somethings. many of them are smart, college educated, optimistic and for the most part unbiased. they keep up with what's going on and they have something to say. they could be our next 'great generation.'  and with what I see, they'll make sure they are!

            1. Flightkeeper profile image77
              Flightkeeperposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              And the great things too about that generation is that they are conservative. Yes!

              1. Randy Godwin profile image93
                Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                How do you know they are all conservative?

                1. livelonger profile image90
                  livelongerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Magical thinking. lol

                  1. Flightkeeper profile image77
                    Flightkeeperposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Ah yes, another insult further cementing how the left responds to things they don't like. Thank you for your examples and for showing us the hypocrisy once again. big_smile

              2. rebekahELLE profile image90
                rebekahELLEposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                certainly not all of them!  I am around them often and many don't affiliate themselves exclusively with any party. they are pragmatic, they don't insult each other during discussions.
                http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/ … ation.html

                http://www.americanprogressaction.org/i … hange.html

                1. bsscorpio8 profile image59
                  bsscorpio8posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Not yet.

                2. Flightkeeper profile image77
                  Flightkeeperposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  No not all of them but as a group, they are conservative.  And of course they don't insult each other during a discussion because as I said before, they're conservative.

                  lol

                  1. rebekahELLE profile image90
                    rebekahELLEposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    who can possibly have a discussion here with you? hmm
                    that's exactly what I'm talking about, and yet you are a conservative.

              3. Jim Hunter profile image59
                Jim Hunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I have talked to some young adults recently and they don't say they are conservative they just say they can't wait to vote against Obama.

                "Small scale anecdotal evidence" that it is, I kind of like the way they think.

                1. Flightkeeper profile image77
                  Flightkeeperposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  I agree, they probably won't align themselves with a party because the two we have are on the whole just godawful.  I referred to them as conservative because the generational studies show that this group values stability. Not a lot of risk-taking in this group according to the studies by one of th Big 4 accounting firms.

            2. bsscorpio8 profile image59
              bsscorpio8posted 6 years ago in reply to this

              What is the counter-proposal in politics? The people who have the radical,yet rational ideas are dealt with swiftly,either that or the become pariahs.Look at what is happening to Michael Steele right now,he is speaking truths that do no vibe with his party lines,they are saying maybe he should just be a politician and not speak the truth.Does that make any sense to you? With all that we are bombarded with in the news media,it is not hard to,"keep up with what is going on." We all know that it is time for change,but at whose cost?

              The way is being paved for those up and coming 20 somethings,hopefully(hope?)we of the older generation do not leave them with too much of a mess to clean up with all of the nonsense that is going on today.

          2. Jim Hunter profile image59
            Jim Hunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I know I haven't been here long but other than one semi insult at the beginning of this thread the insults have been from liberals.

            I am very impressed by some of the names they choose to call others, I am especially fond of the "teatard" comment left on another thread.

            As for an actual concrete counterproposal what is the proposal to counter?

    4. katiem2 profile image61
      katiem2posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Ignore trouble!  smile

  2. AEvans profile image71
    AEvansposted 6 years ago

    UW, I love the it! "Nattering Naboobs that is certainly a classic and have to say you made me laugh! lolololo big_smile

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      kimberlyslyricsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Couldn't agree more UW big_smile

  3. Dame Scribe profile image60
    Dame Scribeposted 6 years ago

    I agree with you UW smile I prefer trying to resolve a problem rather than crying about it. As that quote from somewhere goes - 'One can go out standing or on their knees' tongue  wink nattering naboobs, lol lol

  4. Misha profile image75
    Mishaposted 6 years ago

    mirrors... mirrors... mirrors everywhere... wink

  5. Jim Hunter profile image59
    Jim Hunterposted 6 years ago

    I guess I don't really understand the problem people have with others being critical of the POTUS or Congress. Are we supposed to sit quietly and not have opinions, be good little sheep?

    It is our right and our duty to question what our leaders do, it is important that we don't just follow in lock step with politicians, any politician.

    I read a few posts back that the Republicans are arguing for opposition, they are the opposing party, what should they be doing?

    It is not the job of the opposing party to see that the agenda is accomplished, where did that idea come from? My representative is representing me, that is why I voted for him, I wanted him to oppose the opposition, what do the rest of you expect?

  6. myownworld profile image78
    myownworldposted 6 years ago

    Ironic isn't it UW, that even this thread wasn't spared the 'negativity' ? All I know is that these forums, esp. the political/religious ones represent a 'mini' world where you will always have opposing views on anything and everything. Except here, everyone is free to join in...which in itself would be a good thing if the civilities that guide our manners in real life weren't so easily dispensed with online... smile

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      Non-offensiveUserposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I completely disagree with that!  I'm not sure why yet, but I'm sure I can come up with something though.

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        ryankettposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        And I completely disagree with you! I will wait to see what you come up with for disagreeing with MOW before explaining in further detail big_smile

        1. myownworld profile image78
          myownworldposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          ....and so the story goes.....on ...and on.... and.....on.... wink

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          Non-offensiveUserposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Well I disagree with the fact that you disagree with my point of view in the first place. 
          This has nothing to do with MOW at this point, because I haven't figured out what to disagree with her on yet.

          1. Uninvited Writer profile image83
            Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Would you like to buy a small argument?

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              Non-offensiveUserposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I would love to, but I really don't think that we would be able to agree on a price though...

  7. rebekahELLE profile image90
    rebekahELLEposted 6 years ago

    an image of nattering nabobs.  cavedwellers.

    http://zanesafrit.typepad.com/.a/6a00e55197a0e188330120a53e22e8970b-320wi

    1. Lisa HW profile image81
      Lisa HWposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I don't know....   They're kind of cute, aren't they?   hmm    They need to start showing up in every thread, maybe....

      1. rebekahELLE profile image90
        rebekahELLEposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        that was the image I found when I looked up nattering nabobs. I had never heard the phrase, thought it was from Dr. Suess ..  they are rather cute in a cave dwelly type of way.

  8. Uninvited Writer profile image83
    Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago
    1. rebekahELLE profile image90
      rebekahELLEposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      republicans national anthem. lol

  9. Dame Scribe profile image60
    Dame Scribeposted 6 years ago

    lol great video, lol

  10. Flightkeeper profile image77
    Flightkeeperposted 6 years ago

    And the illusion of civility is quickly dispelled!!! How appropriate big_smile

    1. Jim Hunter profile image59
      Jim Hunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Its the pot/kettle philosophy.

    2. Uninvited Writer profile image83
      Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Brenda destroyed any civility in this thread.

      1. Jim Hunter profile image59
        Jim Hunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        And by all means you should react in the same way! Its the adult thing to do, isn't it?

        1. Uninvited Writer profile image83
          Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          When someone insults me I tend to bite back. And my reply was hardly an attack.

          And the point was not to start so many negative threads without offering a solution. Obviously it went over the heads of many.

          1. Flightkeeper profile image77
            Flightkeeperposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Come on people, let's not be a nattering nabob and have any negativity. lol

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              kimberlyslyricsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              roll

          2. Jim Hunter profile image59
            Jim Hunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Maybe you shouldn't, maybe you should ignore that person and move on.

            1. Uninvited Writer profile image83
              Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I intend to follow my own advice and do that from now on.

          3. Misha profile image75
            Mishaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I am trying to see where exactly were you offering a solution, in this negative thread you just started Susan? Did it go over my head?

          4. Jim Hunter profile image59
            Jim Hunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I'm sorry, did you offer a solution to something?

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              ryankettposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Misha just said that, we don't need a resident parrot...

              1. Jim Hunter profile image59
                Jim Hunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                My apologies, I was unaware that had been said, should I remove it or leave it up?

                I await your opinion, no, wait, I don't care.

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                  ryankettposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Great use of punctuation there Jim. Or should that be...

                  Great, use, of, punctuation, there, Jim.

                  1. Jim Hunter profile image59
                    Jim Hunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Thanks! You are a shining example of positivity, I want to be just like you.

                2. Flightkeeper profile image77
                  Flightkeeperposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  lol

      2. Flightkeeper profile image77
        Flightkeeperposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        But of course.

        It's all mirrors and smoke.  I think Brenda just exposed the hypocrisy.  lol

  11. Ron Montgomery profile image60
    Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago

    mad

    1. myownworld profile image78
      myownworldposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      exactly! same here...

  12. Flightkeeper profile image77
    Flightkeeperposted 6 years ago

    People we must have civility!

    CIVILITY! (Raises arms up to the sky!)

  13. Flightkeeper profile image77
    Flightkeeperposted 6 years ago

    lol lol lol

  14. Dame Scribe profile image60
    Dame Scribeposted 6 years ago

    Criticizing and condemning others for their personal views isn't what UW was discussing. hmm One must be able to sit back and anaylize objectively without taking a conversation into a personal context tongue hence the question, why complain and vent in anger and give no solutions. hmm Isn't it more constructive to offer ideas for a solution? can you imagine the ideas many of us could come up with between us? smile

    1. Jim Hunter profile image59
      Jim Hunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      It is more constructive to offer solutions, I totally agree, solutions were offered by republicans and completely ignored.

      1. Randy Godwin profile image93
        Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        We had 8 years of republican solutions.  But they solved nothing and only made things much worse.  Otherwise they would still be in power, NO?

        1. Jim Hunter profile image59
          Jim Hunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          You are absolutely right, they squandered the chance to regain power for many years to come.

          But I am not talking about Bush I am talking about solutions offered by current members of congress. Constantly saying the republicans are the party of no (which makes a great political statement) does not make it so. Of course Obama doesn't have to be bipartisan he can continue to thumb his nose at the American people all he wants, but he shouldn't be surprised when he is traded in for a more compatible model.

          1. Randy Godwin profile image93
            Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Why do you suppose those who chose Bush would do any better this time around.  They obviously haven't gotten any brighter, if their posts on these forums are any indication!

            1. Jim Hunter profile image59
              Jim Hunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I just have to ask, does anyone on this site who claims to be a liberal or democrat ever have anything nice to say about others?

              If all you have is the typical personal attack why bother having a conversation?

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                china manposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Because all the neonazicons on here do is make personal attacks - you gotta at least try to speak in words they can understand in they way they seem to appreciate.  does that help?

                1. Jim Hunter profile image59
                  Jim Hunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  I have been on here all day and the only insults or attacks have been from the left.

                  Yours included.

                  1. Ohma profile image79
                    Ohmaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Both sides do a fair enough job of dishing it out when it comes to politics and religion.

              2. Randy Godwin profile image93
                Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                So my reference to the terrible choices made by the right in putting a man in office responsible for many thousands of needless deaths, not once, but twice is a personal attack? 

                Are all truths personal attacks because you do not like them?  Tell me why I should think otherwise about those who want to go back to the same war mongering representatives?  Your articulate Palin, for example. 

                Have you ever tried to read her answers to question?  She has a problem talking in complete sentences.  Some writers notice these things.  Others apparently do not see the significance of this at all!  Nor the confusion evident in her attempts to answer easy questions.

                1. Jim Hunter profile image59
                  Jim Hunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  "Why do you suppose those who chose Bush would do any better this time around.  They obviously haven't gotten any brighter"

                  This was meant as a compliment?

                  I tend to stay away from those who do not wish to converse in a civil manner, have a good evening.

                  1. Randy Godwin profile image93
                    Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    My having an opinion regarding those responsible for one of, if not, the worst presidencies in American history is not an insult unless it is unfounded!  Only a truth!

                     

                    And please do stay away from me if you think Palin is any way qualified for high office.  I understand now how she was chosen to run with McCain!  She appeals to a certain mindset!

                    Waiting for your first hub!  Tomorrow perhaps?

  15. EmpressFelicity profile image84
    EmpressFelicityposted 6 years ago

    Can I say something?

    http://www.smileyvault.com/albums/userpics/10172/tuzki-bunny-bash_head_against_wall.gif

    ...That's better. lol :backs away from thread:

    1. Uninvited Writer profile image83
      Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      lol

    2. Flightkeeper profile image77
      Flightkeeperposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      That's good. It's what a lot of Americans are doing now whenever Obama's on TV. lol

      1. EmpressFelicity profile image84
        EmpressFelicityposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Or, in my house (in Britain), whenever ANY politician or political pundit comes on TV.

        IMO anyone who reaches high political office nowadays is either corrupt or corruptible in some way.  Or conveniently stupid.  And that applies to both "sides" of the political divide.

        1. Flightkeeper profile image77
          Flightkeeperposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Oh boy, your heads must hurt all the time in Britain wink

          1. EmpressFelicity profile image84
            EmpressFelicityposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Yeah, wondered where the permanent headache was coming from... thought it was a brain tumour.  Glad to have cleared that one up lol

  16. Uninvited Writer profile image83
    Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago

    It was not a negative thread, I was just pleading for a few less negative threads. You have to admit some days it's ridiculous.

    1. Misha profile image75
      Mishaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      LOL Whatever was your intention, you just added to the plethora of negative threads, cause blaming never comes out positive smile

  17. Dame Scribe profile image60
    Dame Scribeposted 6 years ago

    Atmosphere of a forum can get ugly, I agree UW. sad yes, the offer was to create solutons rather than complain tongue and no names to blame was inferred. hmm

  18. Dame Scribe profile image60
    Dame Scribeposted 6 years ago

    RK smile Jim , o do behave you two. Flightkeeper, sad please be good to your fellow HP members. Nobody is here to disrespect or pick on eachother nor should be allowed to occur. Group hug now smile

    1. Flightkeeper profile image77
      Flightkeeperposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      http://www.canvas103.co.uk/images/who_me.jpg

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      ryankettposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I'm not sure that I want to be coupled with a troll in your perception of the situation. As for flightkeeper, I have never encountered her before....

      1. Jim Hunter profile image59
        Jim Hunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I am not sure what constitutes a troll but I assure you that I am not one. You seem to be irritated by a redundancy in forum posts, and I for the life of me can't understand why? If my punctuation bothers you so much then you may have to reevaluate your time spent out of school, as far as I know I am not receiving a grade for anything I write here.

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          ryankettposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          If you were to fully learn what it is that constitutes a troll then you would be fully assured that you are one.

          1. Jim Hunter profile image59
            Jim Hunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Ok then, thanks for the info.

            1. Flightkeeper profile image77
              Flightkeeperposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Jim, I hope you were fully assured.

              lol

              1. Jim Hunter profile image59
                Jim Hunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I feel confident that I have received the best education that Ryan can give. I thank him for his concern and bid him a fond adieu!

                1. Uninvited Writer profile image83
                  Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  The thing is a lot of people are very sensitive about people creating sockpuppet accounts, usually shown by the fact they have no hubs and have posted on the forums a lot. Of course, that is not always the case. I believe now that you aren't a sockpuppet Jim, but you better not prove to be one after all smile

                  1. Jim Hunter profile image59
                    Jim Hunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    You have to explain sock puppet. I have no clue what that is.

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                    ryankettposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Yes Jim, if you prove to be a valuable member of this community and share some hubs then I will take back my comment about you being a troll.

                    Unfortunately, anonymous accounts of less than one week in age, with no followers, turn out to be 'trolls' 95% of the time. I am happy to give you the benefit of the doubt.

                    Regards.

  19. Dame Scribe profile image60
    Dame Scribeposted 6 years ago

    Hugs smile no gettin fresh now big_smile lol

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      ryankettposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Ok fair enough, no more fighting talk from me towards Him Cunter and Fightleper.

      I'm off to bed zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

      1. Dame Scribe profile image60
        Dame Scribeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        O, RK hmm tongue good nite smile sleep well

      2. Jim Hunter profile image59
        Jim Hunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Let that anger go it isn't good for you.

      3. Flightkeeper profile image77
        Flightkeeperposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        lol lol Dame Scribe, I had nothing to do with his bad humor. I wasn't even the one to talk to him first. 

        Nighty-night! Think positive, civilized and well punctuated thoughts! lol

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          ryankettposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          No you were talking about me, just as I was talking about you smile

          But don't worry, I fully understand. I know that jealousy is sometimes a hard thing for people to deal with, I am sure that you will climb up that SheToldMe referral board in no time smile

          1. Flightkeeper profile image77
            Flightkeeperposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            What are you talking about? I was laughing at what Jim said at your expense. And what would I be jealous about? Anyway whatever. And I thought you were asleep.

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              ryankettposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I was making reference to your SheToldMe.com referral link. I was hoping that you would be one of my many referrals, however that would appear not to be the case. I happen to top that referral board, and Uninvited Writer is second. Not that it makes me any money.

              1. Flightkeeper profile image77
                Flightkeeperposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Dude, I haven't been on Shetoldme in eons. But if being on top of shetoldme floats your boat...good for you.

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                  ryankettposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  No it doesn't, I only care about money, it doesn't make me any money.

  20. Flightkeeper profile image77
    Flightkeeperposted 6 years ago

    He's gone to sleep! Awww.

    http://www.bulldog-breed.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/english-bulldog.jpg

  21. Jim Hunter profile image59
    Jim Hunterposted 6 years ago

    There seems to be a lot of people concerned about my presence on this site. I am writing a hub that is very lengthy and am blowing off steam in the forums, I am sorry if that bothers you Ryan, but I'm sure you will get over it.

  22. Dame Scribe profile image60
    Dame Scribeposted 6 years ago

    Welcome to HubPages, Jim smile is too bad that you see this side of some of HP hmm but there are wonderful people here. smile

    1. Flightkeeper profile image77
      Flightkeeperposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Dame, I sincerely thank you for displaying civility. Your effort was much appreciated. smile

      1. Dame Scribe profile image60
        Dame Scribeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Sometimes we just need a reminder wink smile maybe we should have such signs hanging near our computers centre stage tongue lol lol

    2. Jim Hunter profile image59
      Jim Hunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      He didn't bother me a bit, he was sticking up for his friend and I applaud him for his chivalry.

      And thank you for the welcome.

  23. Dame Scribe profile image60
    Dame Scribeposted 6 years ago

    Sock puppet...opening a 2nd account with a different avatar to conceal the real person. hmm somebody will correct me if I am wrong tongue smile I think that's what it means.

    1. Jim Hunter profile image59
      Jim Hunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Oh, no I am not a sock puppet. Why is this such a concern anyway?

      1. Dame Scribe profile image60
        Dame Scribeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Sock puppets are sometimes used for the wrong reasons. hmm Instead of just a 2nd account towards building up one's adsense, it's used in forums to release bad behavior onto others?

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        ryankettposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Jim, sock puppets have been the single biggest cause of confrontation and controversy on this site. There have even been people known to have conversations with themselves on threads to get ahead in a debate or argument. Sad, very sad in fact, but true.

        1. Jim Hunter profile image59
          Jim Hunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I am beginning to see that confrontation seems to come easily for some, are you sure it is the fault of the sock puppet or does the fault derive from the established hubwriter?

          1. Uninvited Writer profile image83
            Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Many sockpuppets use a new account to get around a ban, which is against the TOS by the way. Many of them do nothing but create conflict.

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            ryankettposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            You have to ask yourself the motives behind a second personality established solely to join discussion on a forum, when the human behind that account already has an established hubpages account which they also actively use on the forum. Then ask yourself what the motive would be for people to set up dozens of other accounts on a forum. I would give you strong examples, only it will just serve to bring up the past. Jim, get over this thread.

            1. Jim Hunter profile image59
              Jim Hunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Ryan,I am way over this thread. I haven't attacked anyone and don't plan to. I will have civil discussions and try and treat people with the respect they deserve, but don't be surprised if I tease a tad. I mean nothing by it.

          3. Dame Scribe profile image60
            Dame Scribeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Sock puppets are used to attack others and can get ugly. Some will get banned outright or suspended and is best to not respond but report them. hmm just my thoughts.

  24. raisingme profile image90
    raisingmeposted 6 years ago

    ~Criticism, as it was first instituted by Aristotle, was meant as a standard of judging well; the chiefest part of which is to observe those excellencies which delight a reasonable reader ~  ........John Dryden

    Methinks we have strayed!

    ~ They criticize me for harping on the obvious - If all the folks in the United States would do the few simple things they know they ought to do, most of our big problems would take care of themselves ~
    ......Calvin Coolidge

  25. Dame Scribe profile image60
    Dame Scribeposted 6 years ago

    We have strayed from the original topic lol must be enjoying ourselves.. tongue sorta ..just need a beer or some wine lol now, lol

  26. 0
    ralwusposted 6 years ago

    Well, ya just can't have positive without the negative. Just like my truck battery. Yin Yan and the ying yangs. Be glad we all live. In the grave with worms is negativity for sure.

    1. raisingme profile image90
      raisingmeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      'Tis true but if the battery had more negative than positive you'd be hooped!

  27. mega1 profile image81
    mega1posted 6 years ago

    This was a political thread?  I didn't see that.  Anyhoo - I just think that people who like to argue for real with each other about politics, religion, social mores etc. should go ahead and do that and not pretend to come into thread proclaiming positive solutions to natter about how bad the opposition is.   This is why I stick to the vacuous fun and quipping parodies threads with cute images and silliness - which reminds me - where are all the wacky queries awaiting my wacky advice?

    You people who like to label each other and blame deserve each other.  Leave the rest of us alone in our blissful ignorance, if that is so, but I don't believe it.

  28. Jane@CM profile image59
    Jane@CMposted 6 years ago

    Did any one count how long it took to turn this into a political AND religious thread all in one shot????  Made me laugh out loud!

    1. SomewayOuttaHere profile image59
      SomewayOuttaHereposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      ...i noticed too...just stayed out of it!

  29. Uninvited Writer profile image83
    Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago

    You aren't looking hard enough. Brenda made a personal attack on me at the very beginning of this thread.

    Of course, not as bad as someone saying "you own a book?" and getting reported for it.

    1. Jim Hunter profile image59
      Jim Hunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I'm sure she could have said it differently but it does not rise to the level of calling others stupid or nazi just because they see things differently.

      As you said earlier there seems to be a lack of positivity and to defend insults and attacks isn't helping in that regard.

      1. Uninvited Writer profile image83
        Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Again, you have not read enough of the forum to make a statement that only the left name call. Name calling has been used just as often by the other side.

        People tend to see personal attacks where there are none and not see them where there are, it all depends on your perspective.

        1. Jim Hunter profile image59
          Jim Hunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Perhaps I haven't read enough of the forum, I was just going by my personal experience.

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        china manposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        If this refers to me then I never called neonazicons stupid - =and the use of nazi seems appropriate to describe the brownshirt tactics that are being openly used verbally in these forums with direct vehhement unsubstantiated and unjustified attacks on the leader of your country

        1. Jim Hunter profile image59
          Jim Hunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          No someone else called them stupid, you think its appropriate to call them nazis because they don't like the POTUS?

          What did you call the liberals who were (and still are) equally vicious towards George W Bush?

          For some reason I doubt you minded at all.

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            china manposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Because the Liberals who were appalled at the blatant aggression of Bush substantiated through lies and deceit did not put up hate speeches - they offered reasoned argument - because they had one.

            1. Jim Hunter profile image59
              Jim Hunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Yes, calling people you disagree with nazi is a reasonable and well thought out response.

              Thank you for your time.

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                china manposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                It is not because I disagree - it is because they behave in this manner.

                1. Jim Hunter profile image59
                  Jim Hunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  No they don't, they behave in a manner different than you. Not very accepting of other points of view are you?

  30. Uninvited Writer profile image83
    Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago

    Sadly, civilized debate used to be possible. I remember some great conservative and liberal orators from the past who, even if they vehemently disagreed with who they were arguing with, were civil in their arguments.

    1. Sab Oh profile image61
      Sab Ohposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      It would be nice if we could do that here.

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        china manposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        big_smile big_smile big_smile You have to love trollspeak big_smile

        1. Sab Oh profile image61
          Sab Ohposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          See what I mean? You don't have to resort to personal insults like that all the time. You really don't. We can try to elevate the level of discourse around here.

      2. Randy Godwin profile image93
        Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Let's start here!  How many accounts do you have here Sab?  And do you post on the forums with several?  A true answer from you would go a long way to making us think you are sincere in your new role as a "caring, polite hubber who wants good dialogue with other members."

        1. Randy Godwin profile image93
          Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Well, Sab?  Ignoring my query?

          1. Randy Godwin profile image93
            Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            X3?

        2. Sab Oh profile image61
          Sab Ohposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          "How many accounts do you have here Sab?"


          For the last time, I have only ever had one and only one account and one screen name. This is me, so anyone else being pestered is a victim of a rather strange obsession by some.

          I don't know and don't care how many accounts and/or names anyone else has. The topic is silly and unproductive and inevitably leads us back to the aforementioned negativity.

          Can we move on now?

          1. Randy Godwin profile image93
            Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Okay, let's suppose you are sincere.  Do you understand why your sudden interest in being polite and quelling the insults might seem disingenuous to some of us?

            1. Sab Oh profile image61
              Sab Ohposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              "Okay, let's suppose you are sincere."


              "let's suppose"? I don't require your supposition, only your compliance.

              1. Randy Godwin profile image93
                Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Avoiding questions as usual!  Same old Sob!  Never mind, I choose not to comply!

                1. Sab Oh profile image61
                  Sab Ohposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Ask me a serious question and I'll give you an answer. If I were to ask you "so, how long have you been beating your wife?" I wouldn't expect an actual answer. You know all this. Be serious.

                  1. Randy Godwin profile image93
                    Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    No thanks!  I found out what I wanted to know already!

  31. Jim Hunter profile image59
    Jim Hunterposted 6 years ago

    You added something about a book. Reported?

    1. Uninvited Writer profile image83
      Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      In another thread someone complained that someone making a comment "you own a book?" was a personal insult and that it had been reported.

  32. Uninvited Writer profile image83
    Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago

    Personally, I have never called anyone a Nazi unless they are actually a member of the Nazi party...

  33. Uninvited Writer profile image83
    Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago

    But it was not a personal insult. If he had said "You obviously haven't gotten any brighter" that would be a personal insult.

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      china manposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      and it was true

      1. Sab Oh profile image61
        Sab Ohposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        What was true?

  34. Uninvited Writer profile image83
    Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago

    This is starting to look like one of those marathon arguments between china man and Sab Oh. Can you both just agree to disagree and quit trying to have the last word?

    1. Jim Hunter profile image59
      Jim Hunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I can

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      china manposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      maybe it is Sab Oh !!!!!!

      1. Uninvited Writer profile image83
        Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Don't go there...

    3. livelonger profile image90
      livelongerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Disputes between Japanese and Chinese go back many decades. smile

      1. Sab Oh profile image61
        Sab Ohposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Longer than that even, though I'm not sure what that has to do with this thread...

        1. livelonger profile image90
          livelongerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I was talking about the dynamic between you and china man. I was under the impression you were of Japanese extraction.

          1. Sab Oh profile image61
            Sab Ohposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            He is not Chinese and I am not Japanese.

            1. livelonger profile image90
              livelongerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I didn't say you were Japanese. I said I was under the impression you were of Japanese extraction. I know you are American.

              Maybe you just have a thing for Japanese culture. Looking at china man's profile, it seems he has one for Chinese culture.

              1. Sab Oh profile image61
                Sab Ohposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I have a "thing" for human cultures.

  35. Misha profile image75
    Mishaposted 6 years ago

    Extremely positive thread! lol

    1. Jim Hunter profile image59
      Jim Hunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      With lots of solutions.

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      china manposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      big_smile  and there is an argument thread open that invites insult and stupid ideas as the reason for being there big_smile

  36. birellar profile image60
    birellarposted 6 years ago

    I liked this thread with positive solutions.

  37. Flightkeeper profile image77
    Flightkeeperposted 6 years ago

    Wow, this thread really did degenerate into a whole bunch of nattering nabobs of negativism from all the liberals.  Now why am I not surprised? Positive solutions anyone? lol

  38. bsscorpio8 profile image59
    bsscorpio8posted 6 years ago

    Oh I suppose it is because there IS a lot of negativity out there these days,that and overwhelming feelings of hopelessness.Speaking of hope,why did we fall for the dope of hope?

    1. Pcunix profile image90
      Pcunixposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      See, when you use "dope of hope" it becomes hard to see you as anyone I can have an intelligent conversation with.  Of course you may be such a person. but when you toss out that kind of nonsense, you rile me up and for at least a few seconds, I stop thinking rationally too.

      Why don't you try again and maybe we can actually have a useful conversation about hope and hopelessness? That subject is actually a decent pivot point for liberals and conservatives to spin around.

      1. Jim Hunter profile image59
        Jim Hunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        "See, when you use "dope of hope" it becomes hard to see you as anyone I can have an intelligent conversation with.

        The interesting thing is you wrote that while wearing a rainbow wig.

        1. bsscorpio8 profile image59
          bsscorpio8posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I like your expression of angst.

          1. Jim Hunter profile image59
            Jim Hunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I liked your late great Hub, very good read.

            1. bsscorpio8 profile image59
              bsscorpio8posted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Thank you kindly.

      2. bsscorpio8 profile image59
        bsscorpio8posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Why don't you try to have an intelligent conversation with me? Do not give up so easily.

        Okay,when you deal with politics,you are dealing with politicians,politicians are GREAT with words,I am saying that everyone went on hope and change.What is hope when dealing with politics? It can become like dope,something to get us by until it is over,and we find out that things are not going for the better.Where does hope leave us then? We need something a little more concrete.Can a politician deliver anything that is going to please EVERYONE and not just their worthy constituents?

        I say "dope of hope" because at the time it was being used,it was a panacea,just like dope to a junkie.

        1. Pcunix profile image90
          Pcunixposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Well, I disagree.

          Obama did represent hope to many of us.   He has let us down, but we knew in our hearts that he would, because the liberal agenda he represented never had a chance.  If he hadn't let us down, the conservatives would be ten times more angry than they are now.

          But that's the nature of the beast.  Politicians say what we we want to hear, they paint the world as we'd like to see it, maybe even as they'd like to see it, but we all know that reality is going to pull things back from ideals, whether the ideals are from my side or the other.   We judge Presidents by how well they can sell and how much they can sell and by that standard, yes, Obama comes up short.  But as I said, if he had done better in my wishes, the other side would hate him even more.

          Of course he has had just a few problems here and there that were a teeny bit distracting :-)

          Really, I hope he doesn't seek a second term.  In my ideal world, the Dems would just stand aside, bow politely and wave in whatever Republican is fool enough to want the job.  It's what we should have done in 2008; if we had, you probably wouldn't see another Republican President fot twenty years.  I'd see that as a good trade, but I would still feel badly for whoever tried to pick up the pieces.  This Humpty-Dumpty isn't going to look anything like an egg for a long time to come.

          OK, so now lets turn to hope.   Where does it come from?  From my POV, the rich are destroying us.   There is too much disparity in income, too much injustice, too much political influence.   I'd like to see change in those areas.   Obama sure isn't going to do it and I can't imagine a Republican candidate who would even think any of that was important, so where does that leave me?

          I get frustrated when I hear people not even as well off as I am championing the cause of the super-rich and refusing any idea that would put back wealth to the middle class they so cleverly extracted it from.   History shows us time and time again that situations like this end badly for everyone, but nobody seems to see that.

          So you tell me:   Where would your hope come from?

          1. bsscorpio8 profile image59
            bsscorpio8posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            What are you disagreeing with? My hope would come from myself,I sure would not place it on guys who are paid to,"paint the world we'd like to see."Hatred of Obama"? That is the nature of partisan politricks.Remember when George Bush number one said,"NEW WORLD ORDER"? That is what we are experiencing now,the beginning stages of the NEW WORLD ORDER,and what scares most people is that they can't do anything about it.Things are happening to people who were fine with it happening to someone else,now it is happening to them,it is happening to all of us.

            Perhaps both parties should step aside and give "the new kids on the block" a go at it... that is... in an ideal world.

            1. Pcunix profile image90
              Pcunixposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Well, no, it actually isn't happening to all of us.  Some are still living fat and happy and saying things like "You know, a million dollars a year isn't all that much nowadays".   Not to them, I guess.

              The only "new kids" I see are pitching idealistic ideas that will get shot down by reality.  What ideas do you see that can actually fly?  What will they change?

              1. bsscorpio8 profile image59
                bsscorpio8posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I see it like you see it,it's a crying shame.When I say it is happening to us all,I mean the common folk.I know that there are fat cats,we are light years apart.

    2. Flightkeeper profile image77
      Flightkeeperposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Hey that's pretty good.  I just realized that the word hope is something that the Dems like to throw around, so we've got mottoes for the last two Dem presidents:

      Obama is the Dope of Hope
      and Clinton is the Dope from Hope

      Nice!

      lol

      1. bsscorpio8 profile image59
        bsscorpio8posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Clinton is more like The Dope of Grope. All hail Bubba!!!

        1. Flightkeeper profile image77
          Flightkeeperposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          lol Gotta say, Hillary put Bubba on a tighter leash after the presidency.

  39. rebekahELLE profile image90
    rebekahELLEposted 6 years ago

    they're not getting their news from foxnews.
    they're technologically savvy and find their news from numerous sources.

    they are both conservative with certain issues and socially conscious, it can work.

  40. raisingme profile image90
    raisingmeposted 6 years ago

    "Too many Nattering nabobs of Negativism"

    What you resist you get more of.  And, it is a comment people, an opinion which is different from a fact.  "Too many Nattering nabobs of Negativism" is not a question and it is not an answer to a question therefore it is not an origination it is merely an opinion. 

    People with red hair and freckles should not be allowed to vote
    = an opinion

    Some people have red hair and freckles = a fact

    We start wars with each other over opinions - opinion (noun) a belief, conclusion, judgment of feeling that may or may not be true.

    Fact (noun) something that can be perceived and is real; something having actual, verifiable existence

    “It is more fun to talk with someone who doesn't use long, difficult words but rather short, easy words like "What about lunch?"”

    Winnie the Pooh quote

    1. bsscorpio8 profile image59
      bsscorpio8posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      For every action there is a reaction = fact.

      Talk begets talk = fact.

      Political talk causes fights = fact.

      I like to have lunch with people who use big words = fact.

      Opinions are like a**holes,everyone's got one = fact.

      I am making a whole lot of sense = opinion (and that's a fact!)

      1. raisingme profile image90
        raisingmeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        For every action there is always an equal and opposite reaction - Newton's Law

        Talk does not always beget talk - it sometimes begets silence and it sometimes begets action and it sometimes begets ideas - fact

        Political talk sometimes causes fights and sometimes causes agreements  - fact 

        You like to have lunch with people who use big words - fact, my sister-in-law does not - fact, I'm good either way -fact.

        "The dress your wearing looks lovely on you" - that opinion is not stated by an a**hole but it is a fact that everyone has one

        I am making a whole lot of sense could have been a fact had some of your facts not been opinions or not the whole fact

        You and I exist - Truth
        You and I have different understandings and experiences - Truth
        You and I have different viewpoints - Truth

        1. bsscorpio8 profile image59
          bsscorpio8posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          A reaction whether equal or opposite is still a reaction = fact

          Talk begets talk FROM SOMEONE...SOMEWHERE = fact

          Talking to a mute could be a one way conversation. = fact

          Three things bound to cause a fight,SOMEWHERE with SOMEONE:religion,money,and politics. = fact

          You should not talk while you eat to ensure optimum digestion and total enjoyment of food. = fact

          Everyone does NOT have a pretty dress = fact

          The fact that I thought I was making a whole lot of sense was an opinion.

          I think,therefore I am. = fact

          Could be that we have similar understandings and opinions = opinion.

          For all we know we have similar viewpoints = opinion

          This is silly,in my opinion = fact

  41. SomewayOuttaHere profile image59
    SomewayOuttaHereposted 6 years ago

    http://1funny.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/arguing-couple.jpg

    1. raisingme profile image90
      raisingmeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Like I said - viewpoints - that is funny!

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    kimberlyslyricsposted 6 years ago

    I find it interesting and think UW has made a very important point about the behaviors among these threads.

    But let's face it, watching people, I would say more than half love the drama, can't wait to read the attack back fro a comment, some just can't wait for some males to come and post and follow them around and vs versa, many just absolutely love the repetitive political and religious threads first they are perfect to try and look smart and secondly it gives others another venue to gossip, people talk in sarcastic code about others and the insults are ridiculous given the poster has no clue about the actual truth, nor cares to.

    I also believe to some extent all forums are the same, a competition of who can be noticed and smartest first.  The quest to prove who is right.  Bottom Line.

    No one in this thread has taken any responsibilities for this issue and sadly are happy to feed the exact opposite of what UW was talking about.  Hey maybe it's a good thing as we all have proven in detail the very symptoms of negativism .

    I have taken my bans and were justified fr entering the forums in an emotional state of mind.

    Banning has certainly increased whether you feel justified or not.  I see small changes starting to happen and believe more support is peaking it's way through

    Anyways, just what I think

    Cheers

    Kimberly

    ps I wonder how negative the responses will be to this post, this would be sad, not to say everyone of course has the right to their own opinion

    Great thread UW, thanks smile

    1. Jim Hunter profile image59
      Jim Hunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      You certainly can't be faulted for having an opinion, or at least I wont fault you for it.

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        kimberlyslyricsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I absolutely make faults and about to right now but it might be best for me to just leave, snakes shed their skin and can swallow a cow, I like being eaten but not my whole body

        Randy so you got everything you need now?

        Nice post, never have talked to you once in a year and a half

        But you have reasons for being ignorant

        guess what i don't tolerate being attacked

        enjoy your cow

        man people here prove this thread true

        me included

        nice!

        1. Randy Godwin profile image93
          Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Who attacked you, Kim?  Not I!  I merely wondered why you disliked this thread.  Be angry if you like, and you seem to like.

          I have never attacked you nor do I need to it seems.  Sorry you assumed I did!  But whatever!

          And yes, I have swallowed a cow before.  But it was in the form of filet mignon!

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            kimberlyslyricsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I don't believe you attacked me literally

            however i have no idea what you have against me

            no need to let me know at this point, sad, i don't even now you but respected you from reading your posts, so I just don't get it.  I'll end with that.  Randy you don't knot know me and maybe could be open to the possibility my message was meant in a different tone.

            Never mind this is so weird I can't articulate what I mean/

            Your point is heard and I will not hold judgement because I don't know your motives just the same

            god evening

            1. Randy Godwin profile image93
              Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Sorry you think I am mad at you, Kim!  Not so, because I don't really know you well enough to dislike you!  Peace!


              Randy

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                kimberlyslyricsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Wanker

                now I;m bloody well falling for you

                xo

                1. Randy Godwin profile image93
                  Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Glad you're not mad at me Kim!  I piss enough people off already! HA!

                  1. Ron Montgomery profile image60
                    Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Hmmmmmmm, I prefer pissing ON people. (especially religious types who ring my doorbell.)

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                    kimberlyslyricsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    OMG me too

                    and I don't ever have to do a damn thing lol

                    Looks like my bitch attack got me lucky to make a new friend

                    If not back to bitch lol

                    tooooooo funny

                    we should share a thread 'who does not like us'  think people couldn't publish we'd be taking all the memory

                    didn't mean to bitch snap at you, oh so many people are going to post, I feel the tremble or was that a small earthquake?

                    big_smile

    2. bsscorpio8 profile image59
      bsscorpio8posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      People are people.

    3. Randy Godwin profile image93
      Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Not enough drama?

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    kimberlyslyricsposted 6 years ago

    do not excuse me of drama when i was just making a statement

    the only thing Randy you desired was to fuel me and I'm over it, oh how we will meet again and then celebrate drama

    thanks for being such a nice guy

    1. Randy Godwin profile image93
      Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I assume you meant "accuse" instead of excuse?  And you are wrong again, Kim!  We did converse once before!  Sorry you are miffed!

  44. mega1 profile image81
    mega1posted 6 years ago

    If I did ever have a face-to-face conversation with any of the conservatives here, I know which "other side" I'd be seeing!  they scare me, actually!  so vociferous and violent and vituperant (is that a word)  basically, also, vile!

    1. Uninvited Writer profile image83
      Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Get a new thesaurus? lol

    2. Daniel Carter profile image91
      Daniel Carterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Vitriolic, too, perhaps!

      @ UW: The Alliteration Thesaurus.
      wink

    3. Jim Hunter profile image59
      Jim Hunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      And they are all so judgmental always thinking they are right and assume everyone is as they say they are, no wait thats you.

      1. Pcunix profile image90
        Pcunixposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I've never understood this "You think you are right" complaint.

        Of course we think we are right.  We may have minor doubts, we may be willing to listen to new evidence, but what is the point of having an opinion if you don't think it is "right"?

        Oddly, one of the character failings conservatives sometimes say liberals exhibit is being too ambivalent on the issues, being too willing to see both sides.  That is "weak", they say.  But when we do assert a strong opinion, there we go, "thinking we are right".

        No wonder we walk around muttering to ourselves.

        I could be wrong about any of this ;-)

        1. Jim Hunter profile image59
          Jim Hunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I'm sure there are a lot of things you don't understand.

          I know you think you are right, even when you are dead wrong you think you are right, that's called delusion.

          I have never heard a conservative complain about a liberal being willing to see both sides, I have never seen a liberal willing to see anything other than what they have been told to see.

          Is that why you walk around muttering to yourselves? I just assumed the wig was too tight.

          Could be wrong? Yeah, you certainly could be.

          1. Pcunix profile image90
            Pcunixposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Oh well.. Yet another one.

            Have a LOVELY day, Jim.

            1. Jim Hunter profile image59
              Jim Hunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              My thoughts exactly

              1. Flightkeeper profile image77
                Flightkeeperposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                It is sooooo, disheartening isn't it? lol lol lol

                1. Jim Hunter profile image59
                  Jim Hunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Sooooooo disheartening.

        2. Sab Oh profile image61
          Sab Ohposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Liberals have a tiresome habit of insisting that no one can legitimately disagree with their point of view. Anyone who doesn't see everything their way is "blind" "asleep" "uninformed" or not "thinking for themselves." That's why you never hear a democrat who loses an election say, "well, the people have spoken and they just agreed with the other guy this time." It is always, "we didn't explain clearly enough to make the voters understand" and such.

          1. Jim Hunter profile image59
            Jim Hunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            We voters never know whats good for us, do we?

            1. Sab Oh profile image61
              Sab Ohposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Not unless we vote the way the superior ones say we should.

              1. Jim Hunter profile image59
                Jim Hunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I hate being inferior to the master class.

                1. Pcunix profile image90
                  Pcunixposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  The people who have actually read my various hubs in the area of Conservatism vs. Liberalism must be quite puzzled by your assumptions.   

                  It's funny, isn't it?  I actually tried to engage in an intelligent discussion, but the Three Horsemen decided that trampling all that while waving their hats in the air and egging each other on was much more fun.

                  Anytime you actually do want to try to discuss anything, please be sure to let me know.  I won't hold my breath. 

                  I have to leave for my weekly poker game now.  It's usually me and one other liberal against all the other conservatives.  Unlike this, we actually manage to talk to each other now and then.

                  Please feel free to pick me apart while I'm gone.  Definitely DO NOT go read anything I have written  about this because I would hate to make you choke on your words.

                  1. Jim Hunter profile image59
                    Jim Hunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Ok, I wont read them.

                    I don't feel the need to pick you apart. As a matter of fact up until I read this post I had forgotten you actually existed.

                    Lasting impressions.

      2. mega1 profile image81
        mega1posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        oooo oooooh!  was that a personal attack, Jim?  uh oh, not nice!

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          kimberlyslyricsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          uh oh

          I'm so telling

          Mega
          wtf I'm done waiting for the baam in our thread

    4. Sab Oh profile image61
      Sab Ohposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      "they scare me, actually!  so vociferous and violent and vituperant (is that a word)  basically, also, vile!"

      LOL! Are you sure you aren't overdoing it a bit?

      1. PrettyPanther profile image85
        PrettyPantherposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        You have to admit that mask is kinda scary, Sab Oh.  lol

  45. Uninvited Writer profile image83
    Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago

    "I have never seen a liberal willing to see anything other than what they have been told to see."

    I feel that is an unfair statement. My beliefs have been formed over a lifetime of experience. Not every single thing I believe is liberal, and I disagree with a lot of what I see; no one tells me what to see.

    I find it humorous that many topics do not get taken up here by conservatives on HubPages until they have been roundly reported on Fox or conservative blogs. That is not saying the all conservatives are told what to see either.

    1. livelonger profile image90
      livelongerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      It would be interesting to see how much liberals disagree with each other on a variety of issues, vs how much conservatives disagree with each other on those same issues.

      My guess is that conservatives are more in lockstep with each other than liberals, and toe the FNC line more than liberals toe the MSNBC line.

      1. Pcunix profile image90
        Pcunixposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        A more charitable way to say that is that conservatives reach consensus more easily than we quarrelsome liberals :-)

        1. Jim Hunter profile image59
          Jim Hunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Or

          Conservatives see things more clearly because facts are easier to remember than lies!

          1. livelonger profile image90
            livelongerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            That's exactly what the North Koreans and Cubans say. They have a remarkably high level of consensus, one that, I'm sure, conservatives have a lot of respect for.

            1. Flightkeeper profile image77
              Flightkeeperposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Wow, you really are reaching lol  But hey, that's to be expected.

              1. livelonger profile image90
                livelongerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                At least they are ideologically pure! No CINOs (Communists in Name Only) tolerated.

            2. Sab Oh profile image61
              Sab Ohposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              That makes absolutely no sense.

          2. Ron Montgomery profile image60
            Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            "facts" like Mission Accomplished?

            Truly memorable. lol

            Please respond, W gave us about 10,000 such facts.  We can keep this going for months.

            1. Jim Hunter profile image59
              Jim Hunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I didn't fall for any of his lies I didn't vote for him.

              But, the liberal contention that the election in 2000 was a selection is a lie. The lie is easy to see if you can read a law and are capable of understanding.

              Lie
              "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, ms Lewinsky!"
              Lie
              "If my stimulus plan is made law unemployment will not rise above 8%"
              Lie
              "I will not have lobbyists in my administration"
              Lie
              "I will leave proposed legislation on the internet so all citizens will be able to see it for 5 days"

              Lies, lies, lies! I was not referring to lies that politicians told, I was referring to lies liberals in general tell!

              1. Ron Montgomery profile image60
                Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                WMD- this counts many times over seeing as how so many thousands died as a result.

              2. Ron Montgomery profile image60
                Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Please identify the "liberal" who you are quoting.

                (hint: only the most extreme wingnuts consider centrists to be liberals)

                1. Jim Hunter profile image59
                  Jim Hunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Only the most extreme apologist considers Clinton and Obama a centrist.

                  1. Ron Montgomery profile image60
                    Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Wrong again (in the interest of efficiency, I'll simply type "ditto" everytime you post an innaccuracy.)

                    ditto

                    The overwhelming majority of political analysts consider both to be centrist.  That'a what I admire most about Obama; he pisses off whackos at both ends of the spectrum.

    2. Jim Hunter profile image59
      Jim Hunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I don't watch fox and maybe you are the exception to the rule, maybe not.

  46. Seakay profile image60
    Seakayposted 6 years ago

    Oh my, can't we have a difference of opinion without the attacks?  There is no right or wrong.  There are just opinions.  Welcome to LIFE!  And so it goes...

    1. Pcunix profile image90
      Pcunixposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Actually, we haven't yet had any real difference of opinion - which makes it even more sad, I think.

      But I'm running late for poker.  Have a great night.

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    kimberlyslyricsposted 6 years ago

    Honestly I am laughing so hard at myself having no clue what a liberal or concervative is and feeling so confused

    Beware anyone that thinks of making a fool of me I'm hitting the report button lol
    Then continue to make a fool of myself lol

    Just FYI post

    cheers

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