Alternate Poet....I like to refer to him as AP....tells me he won't be posting in the forums anymore.......
Just want to say I'll miss him!.....
he will be missed, his counter points and civil discussion kept us more honest. regardless weather you liked him or not. He was a good opponent for discussions. He made you think.
really...I put him down on a hub as a person that makes very worthwhile comments on forums
AP is definitely someone whose posts I enjoyed reading. Hope he stays as china man though.
Farewell friends and enemies alike :-
I leave you all
Religions hissing vipers heads
The beggars ball of drooling right wing fools
The simple fool a simple dunces hat
To be or not to be, ah, that was the question
tis nobler that I retire this fight
I will still rage, rage, against the dying of the light
out out brief candle
life is but a fleeting shadow
a poor player that struts and frets his hour upon the stage
and then is heard no more
it is a tale full of sound of fury
Amazing how good old Will managed to sum up these forums before even useful electricity was invented, never mind computers and the internet
it is truly amazing. He really got human nature down pat.
I love him...I was in London when they discovered his first theater under a parking lot, was it. anyway, back to alternate poet...
So was I - when the Globe stumps were found, I was working on surveying and repairing the major bridges nearby at the time.
So - about AP, you didn't like him much then ? I thought he had a nice line in irony and originality going myself
Sounds like our dear friend the Alternate needs an alternate to the alternate!
So long AP. Happy (non-campaign) trails.
...i figure he likes art.....
here's a send off present for you AP....hope you get to see it up close....
...do you mean you're also AP?....don't be kiddin' around with me.....so you're not gone?
well the cat's out of the bag....was going to cook a nice dinner, with lots of wine...a nice send off dinner....and all that....guess it's not necessary....glad you're stayin'...so i'll just sip on my glass of wine anyway....and relaaaaxxx abit.
...how's the day in China today....it's Saturday (or should say Sunday)...no work...just play.....so whatcha playin' today....anything interesting?
Just chillin' really. We have had a hectic week and poor old Sukie is working all day so I am on my own. I seem to have gained some more work so my 5 year holiday feels like it is over and I have to get on and do some stuff soon.
You enjoy that wine and dinner and I am there in spirit
I have been wound into the travel industry - so if you or anyone wants to come visit good ole China I can arrange that as well now
Nice warm day here, so sitting at this glass fronted box half naked - don't look !
ha ha...i won't look.....
5 year holiday!?....not bad!...i guess...
so what do you mean 'wound into the travel industry'....?...like an agent?
Promotion for the best Company operating in China at the moment. If your local travel agent mentions me then you are in the right place for the best China experience, second to directly visiting me of course
My main work here is teaching and that is a 16 hour week, hardly enough to register on the work-ometer after a lifetime of 14 hour days and seven day weeks in busienss.
...i'll keep that in mind....so I just say 'china man sent me' LOL! or 'AP sent me'...j/k!....when i'm serious i'll connect.
I still like that 16 hour a week thing tho! if you can afford it, why not.....i'd probably have a hard time with the 16 hours some weeks.
The teaching is pretty easy if you catch oral English, no stretch unless you make it hard. The pay is in the middle class range here - so it is much more than enough to live on and travel in the 3 month holidays.
I am getting more serious about things because we plan to get married soon! a kind of kick start back to reality
What is the charity about that you 'head up' ?
...i work with really low income families (not just poverty - lots of dysfunction) and mental health and addictions....and as you know poverty in N.A .terms.
thinking about making a change though within the year...i'm an accountant by profession...maybe I'll dive into gov't or private sector....i do like the charitable sector however...just need a change....my job takes me into politics which I like...advocating for changes relevant to the mandate of the org I work for - the people that access the services...i'd miss talking to elected gov't officials etc....if i went into the gov't or private sector...wouldn't be able to do it anymore.
So, when are you getting married?
That dysfunction is pretty rampant isn't it. Makes one think there might be something fundamentally wrong with the way society works
Married maybe two years time, age difference is a bit of a hurdle for acceptance, but we should be able to jump that one with a bit of luck, persuasion and bribery !
Luckily, with her teaching job, Sukie has gone from pink maternal to thinking how to boil and eat children, but a kid will still be the next step after marriage I expect
If you're really serious about teaching you make the effort to build your skills and always improve. Doesn't have to be 'difficult' like a chore, but if you're not challenging yourself something is wrong.
AS you are jumping into the middle of somebody else's conversation you have less idea of what you are talking about then usual. If such a thing were possible
ignore the trouble maker..... you cannot afford to get banned again.... he is winding you up.
That is one of the reasons he was banned before I expect - stalking, harassment, being a general pain in the *ss to so many people, that and posting here under many different guises.
Just get married, and have a lovely little china man, or woman..... why wait??????? so Alternate Poet is gone for good, but you are staying around? Does that mean China Man will write poetry, or Alternate Poet is just staying out of forums
Just get married in China is a complex business! Here the family is strong and I get all of them along with the girl. This is both good and bad from my perspective, good because they are lovely and take you in big style. Bad because they operate as a unit and I am only one of a group, good for my soul maybe - but hard when I have been boss all my life
AP is only gone from the forums - and don't worry, china man loves you just the same
yeah it does sound a little complicated actually. RUN AWAY!!!!!!!! why is nothing ever straight forward....
No - I have quit running - I have totally submitted to my new lot in life, being dominated half way around the world by a girl half my age, half my size (exactly) and a heart bigger than I could ever imagine.
Added to that she is prettier than any centrefold ever was and I am definately hooked for life
oh no i did not mean run away from her.... I meant with her, away from the family..... You are such a romantic fool.... In the nicest possible way, where did you meet her?????????
The family is part of the package - and to be honest I welcome the idea of having a 'family' here in China, balances nicely withthe 'family' in the UK.
At an Interpretation school - out of all the fantastic English speakers she was the only one who also understood what the words really mean. For second language speakers irony, wit and inference are really difficult; she attracted my attention with her looks and attracted my mind when she was the only one there who fell about laughing at my jokes
I am relly lucky that she has such an advanced sense of humour as you would realise if you saw me She says that she loves me because I am a bargain - so big and so cheap !
" she is prettier than any centrefold ever was"
That seems like sort of an odd 'compliment'
she is so beautiful i have seen a picture of her,. are you jeaous of his happiness???????
Why would I be jealous or begrudge someone a healthy happiness?
You don't find that to be an odd 'compliment'?
Not if someone thinks girls in centrefold are beautiful. I never look at girls in centrefold, and apparantly cant understand beauty as men see beauty. i cannot understand why you are being bitchy about the whole thing though, it is not nice at all
But a "centerfold" is not exactly an example of something of the 'virtuous' beauty type, you know? People look at centerfolds for lurid pleasure but certainly not with admiration or respect. It would be like boasting that one's partner is better at sex than a whore. Well, whores are probably good at sex but that is certainly no compliment. Centerfolds are people who reveal themselves for money. I'm pretty sure most would not appreciate the comparison or the cheap objectification it carries.
Comparison with a model or a film star I could understand, but "centerfold" just seems creepy and disrespectful (I would also say that bringing up the body of someone that one supposedly loves, in such an inappropriately personal and objectifying way is inherently inappropriate, but...).
I totally agree...please click the link it's exactly what you're saying it's hilarious.
I find your sense of humour very funny.... just don't attack other people what's the point.... You show yourself up. I know what he means, it's a compliment, centrefold girls are good to look at, end of story.
You don't think your slippery morals are keeping you a little behind the times then. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, if you see women as whores there is little I can do about it.
Maybe you need to read what I wrote again. I think you missed the point.
I think you missed the point.
There is a very disturbing and revealing nuance there. Like
1. Is he a porn addict?
2. Is the girl a little bit objectified in this scenario
3. and many many more
but definitely the thought is not...
1. Does he want to marry her and take her to his mom?
2. Is she his soulmate?
3. Is she someone who would save his soul for the devil?
or definitely not...
"With a chaste heart
With pure eyes I celebrate your beauty
Holding the leash of blood
So that it might leap out and trace your outline
Where you lie down in my Ode
As in a land of forests or in surf
In aromatic loam, or in sea music
Equally beautiful your feet
Arched by primeval tap of wind or sound
Your ears, small shells
Of the splendid American sea
Your breasts of level plentitude
Fulfilled by living light
Your flying eyelids of wheat
Revealing or enclosing
The two deep countries of your eyes
The line your shoulders have divided into pale regions
Loses itself and blends into the compact halves of an apple
Continues separating your beauty down into two columns of
To sink into the two grapes of your feet
Where your twin symmetrical tree burns again and rises
A swelling fruit
Over the pact of sea and earth
From what materials
Did your body come together?
Swelling like baking bread to signal silvered hills
The cleavage of one petal
Sweet fruits of a deep velvet
Until alone remained
The fine and firm feminine form
It is not only light that falls over the world spreading inside your body
Yet suffocate itself
So much is clarity
Taking its leave of you
As if you were on fire within
The moon lives in the lining of your skin"
Notice...there is no centerfold in this poetry...but it's talking about a nude!
I agree - it is describing in words exactly what we see in a centrefold - your reading of all this comes from a feminist place that has been shown to be little more than overzealous penis envy, in my view.
dear me, you are not under attack.
We see a nuance that we find disturbing. You see it is as perfectly normal.
Perhaps you have not fallen in love with someone so you can't relate. But I don't know what you understand by penis envy or feminism. Clearly, you have a ballpark understanding as well.
Ballpark ? generalised would be more appropriate in this context maybe.
I am constantly under 'attack' by the troll, and by fundamentalists. I often read your posts and enjoy the unusual level of actual references that you draw on in your argument and even occasionally agree with you. Freud's observations about human nature and what we see in words works both ways - I see no issue, you do - it says something about both of us I think.
Penis Envy and Feminism is when you claim to be as good as a man, which is not what I was doing.
lol...you have a ballpark understanding of penis envy and feminism.
Generalized would mean you suggested that all women who want to be respected have penis envy. I don't think you're that base nor narrow.
It is more generous me for to think you confused your definitions.
That level of Freudian simplicity has long since been discredited.
A little bit, like the bench mark is a playboy centerfold.
So either that is a compliment or a degradation.
But then, many boys fall in love with their first centerfold, so it may be an actual honor to be called such.
I personally would rather be compared to an angel, a supermodel, a movie star or a goddess...but centerfold is too much like the song of FLight of the conchords:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmDTSQtK … r_embedded
no offense but yeah...definitely strange description.
But your descriptions are so 'old hat' and a little prudish if you don't mind me saying so. Women may not like it so much but then not many bear comparison I suppose. Most normal people have shed their inhibitions about these things much the same as the attitude to the nudes that the old masters were so fond of.
Prudish? No...even hookers want to be compared to a movie star not a high class prostitute.
Prudish yes - You are going too far with your description of 'centrefold' as a high class prostitute. In fact you are going too far in the whole of your analysis of a simple comment made to someone else in the course of a conversation.
It is just life that one of the benchmarks of beauty was once considered to be nude art in the form of painting, now it is more explicit and no less beautiful for it.
ever heard of freud, china man?
the choices of words reveal the nature of the psyche.
if you think being objectifying women is okay, that's fine but to Sab Oh, who probably has a different perspective on love it is not. I am just validating his observation...I found it a little bit odd too.
I understand what you were trying to say, but it strikes me as a very disrespectful and disturbing 'compliment' to say the least.
you were talking to me, and i understand exactly what you mean, god, i never knew men could be so bitchy... is Sab a man, he says he's barely human?????????
Sab is a troll. He attached himself to me the first day I joined Hubpages and now that he is back from wherever he has been banished he has immediately attached himself to me again. I will assume it is envy
Your compliments to yourself also seem rather odd...
Sab Oh and I have had disagreements but troll he is not. He is however observant of linguistic nuances.
LOL! I was talking to you. This forum format is not optimal.
" Women may not like it so much"
But the person you were supposedly 'complimenting' is a woman, right?
It is conventional behaviour to compare a girls beauty with something - wouldl you prefer I compare her to a summers day ? a little old hat don't you think in this modern enlightened age.
...bribery might work!....and guess it's good for Sukie to get a look at things from another angle.....
...the dysfunction is generational many times....kids that were placed in foster homes...now adults/teens raising children...not all of them have risen above what life dealt them as kids...it's tough for some...they just never were given a break or never found the courage to rise above their environment...and became a product of it...that's just one example btw.....it's amazing what some people have experienced and how they struggle and some rise above and fly......
...some would consider my take on things as 'leant leaning' - remember him ....but...there are some people that just need a hand up....we're not all strong, or smart or whatever....
I remember him !
It is amazing how some people rise above the worst things and others go under. Complex critters aint we?
I have found 'giving a hand up' to turn into 'bites the hand' more times than not Take care of yourself - but don't stop doing it ! It is just the hard part of the deal.
You must be near the bottom of that bottle I guess?
...nite AP!...gonna hit the sack...up really, really early tomorrow...going hunting!...i'll post some pics from a mountain top tomorrow nite.
...now put some clothes on wuldya....Sukie's comin' home!...she'll wonder what you've been up to....dishes need to be done...laundry is piling up...let the cat in....and where's lunch/dinner?
Hi China Man, just read you were banned as Alternate Poet, that explains a lot.... I don't believe it.....
Oh AP.... It's just like camping! Or perhaps consider it like darning Don't let it rip the sole out of ya!
You have friends here... so you're a lucky sock!
Hell no one wanted to talk to my shoes.. even though I put them in the middle of the dinner table
there must be a hidden messae there somewhere..... i am not understanding.... hi Pearldiver, nice to see ya
no worries here mate ! AP has been banned off and on many times, this is just the last and final
Only an Aussie would put their boots on the table mate ! here in China we leave 'em at the door.
But AP was so much better looking than China Man! Who did you piss off now!
A christian of course But the lovely moderators were very kind about it all and offered me the choice of keeping one or the other. I think that they love me secretly
For those too lazy to check out the link. Here's a clip of the lyrics:
"You're so beautiful
or a high class prostitute
(you're so beautiful)
You could be a part time model
but you'll probably still have to keep your normal job
(a part time model)
spendin part of your time modelin..
and part of your time next to me.
My place is usually tidier than this."
what , why? AP is a value addition to forums..He must keep expressing his views...
Good morning SOH - how has your day been so far ?
good...i was hunting today..........it was a great day...i'll post some pics....didn't get a deer...only ones in sight were on the roads....next weekend....i'm going out again!
but....i see this thread went into a direction that was really too bad.....poor you.....
Don't fret about it - just someone on a wombstick working in tandem with a troll - maybe they were just alone on a sunday with nobody else to talk at.
Yes - lets see the pics, one of the few things I miss are the big empty almost wide spaces to walk in.
one more to upload to photobucket....i'll be back.....
sweetie, we can't all agree with your sentiments. Yes, especially if they're a little controversial.
a couple of bears...not a good pic...but...
part way up the mountain...clear cut...going up forest logging road...
logging road we were driving on...
...water rushing off the mountain....lots of heavy rain today
came across a herd of Elk at about 7:30 a.m. ....on our way to the mountain we were going to drive up...
Nice - slightly blurred pics work fine, they sharpen up with a bit of imagination and a working memory
Nice place to be, lucky you !
...it was a great day....yea...some of the pics are through the windshield ...sometimes there is just no time to get it set up right.......it's gone in a flash.....and lots of rain, fog and a bit of hail doesn't help either......
I posted some others on the good morning thread last Sun/Mon....I was up in the same area.
Next weekend, I'll post one of me 'locked and loaded'....just for fun ....I'm usually just taking pictures..........
I pretty much gave up trying to get 'wild' shots, apart from the very occasional lucky break it can take so long waiting for the right moment it spoils the walk
anyway later....it was long day...was up way too early....lots of fresh air and all that...
hey...you should post some pics of China....I'd love to see that....will ya? will ya?......
....get that laundry done before Sukie gets home wuldya?
it was great chatting again!
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