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Warning - this is not a HubPages question!

  1. Marisa Wright profile image93
    Marisa Wrightposted 8 years ago

    This is not a HubPages question but I know there are knowledgeable people here who can help me with it.

    I know keywords are vital for search engines, and I'm having trouble getting a reasonable keyword score on my site.  The content - video clips of belly dancers and an eBay affiliate shop - doesn't lend itself to much text.

    The obvious solution is to put some of my belly dancing articles on the site, however due to the limitations of the layout, I can't include them in the site navigation.  Which means they'd be invisible to people visiting the site.

    My question is, would that make them invisible to the search engines too?

    (For those who know about Wordpress - I would write the articles as pages, and publish them, but I wouldn't have any links to those pages in the sidebars, so people visiting the site wouldn't be able to reach them)

  2. hot dorkage profile image80
    hot dorkageposted 8 years ago

    If I understand your question correctly I would get a different theme for the WP so that you could link to the pages in the sidebar.  Otherwise I don't understand your question at all.

  3. Misha profile image75
    Mishaposted 8 years ago

    Not sure what exactly your limitations are, too.

    Having pages not connected to the rest of your site is not going to help you much with search engines. Did you think about putting chunks of text on your pages with clips?

    1. Marisa Wright profile image93
      Marisa Wrightposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      That's what I wondered - if people can't find them, does that mean the bots can't either?  Sounds like you've answered my question, thanks.

      There is always a small introduction, but there is only so much I can write about a dancer - especially if it's one I don't know much about.  Plus I'm limited by the fact that there aren't that many alternative keywords I can use for belly dancing, and if I repeat the same words multiple times in each post, it will get a bit obvious!

  4. Marisa Wright profile image93
    Marisa Wrightposted 8 years ago

    HD, it's my own doing that means I can't link to the pages.

    I am using Wordpress more like a CMS, and due to my limited knowledge I've had to make some compromises to make it easy to navigate.

    I'm using the posts to create my directory of dancers.  I use the pages mainly to create my belly dance shop, plus some other things like Privacy, Contact Us etc. 

    I found that when I listed ALL my pages in the sidebar, it wasn't clear.  So now I use a multi-page widget to list just the shop in the sidebar, and use tabs at the top of the blog to list other pages.  Trouble is, I've run out of tabs so I can't include any more non-shop pages! 

    I don't feel the site needs the articles, anyway, from the point of view of readers.  I'm just thinking I need to add more text to keep the search engines happy.  Maybe a silly idea, but that's one of the reasons I'm asking.

  5. Lissie profile image86
    Lissieposted 8 years ago

    Actually your ebay affiliate store should be giving you huge numbers of keywords!  Is it traffic you are lacking? It might be the articles are better used to create backlinks via ezinearticles and hubpages? BTW you have a pr3 on your profile you could give your site a nice backlink there...

  6. Inspirepub profile image88
    Inspirepubposted 8 years ago

    Keyword density is not a site-wide phenomenon - Google calculates it per page.

    You only need about 300 words for Google to get a grip on the topic of your page.

    Google likes a keyword density of 4-6%, which means about a dozen mentions of your keyword is optimal.

    You can get about half of those by judiciously creating keyword-rich headings (heading keywords get higher weighting than plain text keywords).

    Assuming you want to rank for the dancer's name plus the keyword "belly dancing", you would do something like this.

    Post/Page Heading

    Belly Dancing Stars: NAME

    paragraph mentioning name and "belly dancing" at least twice.

    How/Why NAME Started In Belly Dancing

    Short paragraph

    NAME Belly Dancing Career Highlights

    This can be a list, and each item could potentially include "belly dancing" if the competition or gig was to belly dance

    Where To See NAME Belly Dancing

    YouTube references, link to fan site, whatever

    What NAME Says About Belly Dancing


    I don't know what kind of information you have about each dancer, but if you set up all the posts with exactly the same format, human readers will screen out the words in the headings after the second entry they read, while Googlebot will continue to lap them up.

    I hope I understood the question correctly!


  7. Mark Knowles profile image61
    Mark Knowlesposted 8 years ago

    Another way of doing it would be to add the text you want as metadata rather than visible text. Either in the page's description, or as images with a description behind it.

    I would also recommend spending $300 and buying this:


    I have found it well worth the money - especially if you are looking to create a CMS from wordpress. And if you decide to I do have an affiliate account smile

    If you drop me a PM, I can point you at some sites where I am using this.

  8. bingbongplop3 profile image60
    bingbongplop3posted 8 years ago

    !this is the site you've been looking for!

    (nichebot.com works too, but I prefer nicebotclassic's way of operating)

    type in a keyword you like and it will give you similar ones that are being searched along with that keyword/keyword phrase that people might look for.
    If that didn't make complete sense to you.. just give it a try, it is a valuable asset :]

    <snipped promotional link>
    ^easy money off surveys and offers
    I don't mean to spam I just like sharing whatever good news I got

    hope i helped! - bingbongplop3

  9. Marisa Wright profile image93
    Marisa Wrightposted 8 years ago

    Thanks all for the great suggestions.    Jenny, I like the idea of your structure - so far, I've been concentrating on finding the video clips and not adding a great deal of info on each dancer.  You've given me some good ideas to beef up the content!

    Mark - not sure if I'm ready to invest $300, because I'm not convinced the site has much money-making potential.  Australia is not a big market and the belly dance scene is even smaller!   It began as an experiment and has become something of a labour of love - I'm enjoying it more than anything else I've done on the internet.   I'll bear it in mind for the future, though - I've learned an incredible amount from putting bellydanceoz together, and I do want to apply it to something more commercial if I can find a suitable idea.

    I'm not sure whether I'm worrying about nothing - I know these free keywords analyzers aren't perfect so maybe I shouldn't take them too seriously.   The site has had over 1,000 visitors in only its second month, which compared to my other blogs is nothing short of astonishing!

  10. Marisa Wright profile image93
    Marisa Wrightposted 8 years ago

    BTW Mark, I recommend you go and check out one of my new postings, Lina.   If you enjoyed Jrisi's performance, you'll like her.   My husband's tongue is still hanging out!

    She's just arrived in Australia from Hungary but she's had to change her stage name now she's in an English speaking country.  You'll understand when I tell you her real name which is - wait for it - Fanny Kiss.